Tucson Development Thread

[wildcatmd]

In extremely surprising news, Projects International submitted a Rezoning Pre-Submittal Conference Request this week for their project at Speedway and Campbell. So, it's not dead after all.

Great to hear this! Hopefully this project will be a harbinger of increased density.

In other news on dead projects, according to this article (http://tucson.com/business/tucson-tech-tech-launch-arizona-continues-upward-trajectory/article_99718c41-ee97-5787-ac5e-25d6249516ff.html) UA will finish their "funding strategy" for the innovation building at the tech-park at the bridges and wants to start construction by the end of the physical year. About time since that place has been lying fallow for like 5 years now.

[Patrick S]

Great to hear this! Hopefully this project will be a harbinger of increased density.

In other news on dead projects, according to this article (http://tucson.com/business/tucson-tech-tech-launch-arizona-continues-upward-trajectory/article_99718c41-ee97-5787-ac5e-25d6249516ff.html) UA will finish their "funding strategy" for the innovation building at the tech-park at the bridges and wants to start construction by the end of the physical year. About time since that place has been lying fallow for like 5 years now.

Fiscal year, not physical year. Fiscal years may run from July-June, or any other period, though it usually starts for most places in January, April, July, or October, with July being for most governmental organizations.

[Ted Lyons]

Fiscal year, not physical year. Fiscal years may run from July-June, or any other period, though it usually starts for most places in January, April, July, or October, with July being for most governmental organizations.

UA's starts 7/1.

[Tloc]

Does anyone have more information on the possible CVS Drug Store in the Chicago Building? An announcement was made 2 months ago that a letter of intent had been signed, but there's no activity at the building and no announcement that it will be opening.

CVS is no longer moving in Chicago Building. Plummeting CVS stocks... probably thanks to Amazon

[Patrick S]

In extremely surprising news, Projects International submitted a Rezoning Pre-Submittal Conference Request this week for their project at Speedway and Campbell. So, it's not dead after all.
Is there a link for this?

[Ted Lyons]

Is there a link for this?

It's on PRO. Documents show up on the western parcel of what makes up Palm Shadows.

[southtucsonboy77]

It hasn't been put out there by the media, but it has been discussed and mentioned in an open discussion...the Brewers are taking proposals for a Spring Training site here in S. Az. Needless to say, they are shopping around other jurisdictions in Az.

[kmiller5]

It hasn't been put out there by the media, but it has been discussed and mentioned in an open discussion...the Brewers are taking proposals for a Spring Training site here in S. Az. Needless to say, they are shopping around other jurisdictions in Az.

I just saw an article about them asking for ~70 million from Gilbert to add to their 20 million contribution to build a 90 million dollar stadium.

[wildcatmd]

http://opa.uahs.arizona.edu/sites/opa.uahs.arizona.edu/files/uploads/new-banner-bldg-400.jpg

Here's an updated image of the banner tower

[Patrick S]

I just saw an article about them asking for ~70 million from Gilbert to add to their 20 million contribution to build a 90 million dollar stadium.
Well, Tucson doesn't have that kind of money, especially for a franchise that won't draw. Maybe if it was the Cubs, DBacks, or Dodgers - teams that would draw down here, they could justify it. I just looked them up and they moved into their facility in 1998. When I was a kid in Illinois I used to visit my grandparents in Chandler every spring and go see them play in Chandler. I'd love to see some spring training games down here, but $70 million for a stadium is ridiculous.

[kmiller5]

http://tucson.com/business/take-a-peek-at-what-the-caterpillar-building-near-downtown/article_00259bcb-d291-504d-8ef8-a4807111c0d3.html

Caterpillar building

[Ted Lyons]

http://tucson.com/business/take-a-peek-at-what-the-caterpillar-building-near-downtown/article_00259bcb-d291-504d-8ef8-a4807111c0d3.html

Caterpillar building

Good find. I like the modernism for that area. Was thinking it would be a stucco-based monstrosity so, if it ends up looking like the Optical Sciences building at UA, that's fine by me.

[Patrick S]

News on some possible downtown development from the recent Rio Nuevo meeting.

http://www.insidetucsonbusiness.com/construction_real_estate/new-development-coming-to-downtown-tucson/article_ff3b5374-77b5-11e7-a326-a3161fa80e18.html

"The Flores family, responsible for El Charro Café, Charro Steak, Sir Veza’s Taco Garage and the Stillwell House & Gardens, negotiated an agreement to buy out the lease interest of the H2O Discotec at 61 E. Congress St., Zen Rock nightclub at 121 E. Congress St. and the former Betty Gay building at 125 E. Congress St. Flores Concepts intends to renovate, re-brand and reopen all three establishments."

"The Board also authorized a Request for Proposal to be issued in conjunction with the development of Pima County’s parking lot at 77 E. Broadway Blvd., between North Scott Avenue and South Sixth Avenue and north of the Tucson Electric Power headquarters. The District will seek competitive proposals offering to develop a high-rise, mixed-use project to include retail, parking and Class A office space."

"The Board also unanimously authorized the submission of a new Planned Area Development for the area around the Tucson Convention Center in order to accommodate a new 125-bed convention center hotel proposed by Caliber Hospitality. "

[southtucsonboy77]

http://tucson.com/business/take-a-peek-at-what-the-caterpillar-building-near-downtown/article_00259bcb-d291-504d-8ef8-a4807111c0d3.html

Caterpillar building

I have to disagree with Ted on this one. First impression is that its an eyesore...no sign of creativity nor any sign of architectural attention that would be worthy of paying a consultant. Damn.

I do hope a different elevation or angle changes my opinion on this.

[southtucsonboy77]

News on some possible downtown development from the recent Rio Nuevo meeting.

http://www.insidetucsonbusiness.com/construction_real_estate/new-development-coming-to-downtown-tucson/article_ff3b5374-77b5-11e7-a326-a3161fa80e18.html

"The Board also authorized a Request for Proposal to be issued in conjunction with the development of Pima County’s parking lot at 77 E. Broadway Blvd., between North Scott Avenue and South Sixth Avenue and north of the Tucson Electric Power headquarters. The District will seek competitive proposals offering to develop a high-rise, mixed-use project to include retail, parking and Class A office space."

"The Board also unanimously authorized the submission of a new Planned Area Development for the area around the Tucson Convention Center in order to accommodate a new 125-bed convention center hotel proposed by Caliber Hospitality. "

Perhaps 77 E. Broadway will be the first 10 or 10+ story building in downtown since 1986. Yet, relative to Tucson cynicism..."high-rise" can mean 5 stories.

Whatever the amount of rooms the Caliber hotel ends up being, the accommodation (need) and infill (density) are appropriate and timely.

[Eapiwo]

Hate the new caterpillar design, it has the right materials but they're not assembled to compliment each other. It has some good qualities in small amounts but overall it's an eyesore. The building has zero flow. It's monolithic and unoriginal. Hopefully it's revised soon. A little tweaking can go a long way! I must say that I'm grateful for the plaza designed in and the jobs it'll bring but this is just a poor design. Tucson needs more stunning buildings downtown, with the exception of 1 South Church, I'd say the historic buildings are outperforming the newer ones in terms of aesthetics.

[farmerk]

Hate the new caterpillar design, it has the right materials but they're not assembled to compliment each other. It has some good qualities in small amounts but overall it's an eyesore. The building has zero flow. It's monolithic and unoriginal. Hopefully it's revised soon. A little tweaking can go a long way! I must say that I'm grateful for the plaza designed in and the jobs it'll bring but this is just a poor design. Tucson needs more stunning buildings downtown, with the exception of 1 South Church, I'd say the historic buildings are outperforming the newer ones in terms of aesthetics.

Yep. For the same price with better architects. Downtown Tucson has the chance to make it's mark as one of the best downtowns in the world.

Downtown eyesore of the year - McCormick townhomes (right in the middle of downtown). Tried to like it at any angle. It's just plain butt ugly.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4022/35248028750_2a675f888c_z.jpg

[kmiller5]

http://tucson.com/business/what-s-going-up-dinner-movie-venue-on-tucson-s/article_8ce4e5ef-697d-5b38-9120-e59a350c2343.html

Anyone know anything about the project at 2850 E Drexel? 14 million and 400,000 square feet is a big project!

[Ted Lyons]

http://tucson.com/business/what-s-going-up-dinner-movie-venue-on-tucson-s/article_8ce4e5ef-697d-5b38-9120-e59a350c2343.html

Anyone know anything about the project at 2850 E Drexel? 14 million and 400,000 square feet is a big project!

It's this: https://realestatedaily-news.com/chamberlain-group-manufacturing-center-breaks-ground-tucsons-ward-5/

I had no idea this company existed in Tucson until this expansion was announced.

EDIT - Just saw the final bullet about the Oregano's at Irvington and 19. Bourne has quickly leased quite a bit of that power center.

[kmiller5]

It's this: https://realestatedaily-news.com/chamberlain-group-manufacturing-center-breaks-ground-tucsons-ward-5/

I had no idea this company existed in Tucson until this expansion was announced.

EDIT - Just saw the final bullet about the Oregano's at Irvington and 19. Bourne has quickly leased quite a bit of that power center.

Oh, very cool. Thanks for the info!

[southtucsonboy77]

DOWNTOWN TUCSON DEVELOPMENT REPORT Summer 2017 (http://www.downtowntucson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Downtown-Development-Report-Summer-2017.pdf)

Enjoy. Nothing really new.

[southtucsonboy77]

An opening...

The Drunken Chicken opens its doors on Fourth Avenue (http://www.insidetucsonbusiness.com/business/the-drunken-chicken-opens-its-doors-on-fourth-avenue/article_1a719416-81f5-11e7-ab67-7329d32a8247.html)

...and a closing.

Fourth Ave fry stop shutters doors (http://www.insidetucsonbusiness.com/news/fourth-ave-fry-stop-shutters-doors/article_5c3c2380-837a-11e7-bc27-375c13bc462b.html)

[Ted Lyons]

There should be an announcement today that a Chinese company developing driverless trucks is moving here.

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/081817_tusimple/chinese-company-tusimple-develop-self-driving-trucks-tucson/

There's also a blurb in today's Tucson Lease Report.

https://realestatedaily-news.com/tucson-lease-report-aug-14-18-2017/

[Ted Lyons]

Limited details but Rio Nuevo approved a deal with HSL to renovate Hotel Arizona. I believe City approval of a GPLET will be necessary as well.

http://tucson.com/business/downtown-tucson-s-former-hotel-arizona-could-reopen-by/article_006865dc-878f-11e7-b18e-47151b333666.html

EDIT: More details today - http://tucson.com/business/downtown-tucson-s-former-hotel-arizona-could-reopen-by/article_87dbabda-af93-5a6d-8d35-82121cc46917.html

[southtucsonboy77]

Limited details but Rio Nuevo approved a deal with HSL to renovate Hotel Arizona. I believe City approval of a GPLET will be necessary as well.

http://tucson.com/business/downtown-tucson-s-former-hotel-arizona-could-reopen-by/article_006865dc-878f-11e7-b18e-47151b333666.html

EDIT: More details today - http://tucson.com/business/downtown-tucson-s-former-hotel-arizona-could-reopen-by/article_87dbabda-af93-5a6d-8d35-82121cc46917.html

I'm glad they are finally doing this. Yet, I wish they got a little more creative and included plans to redevelop the corner parking structure, perhaps mixed-use that maintains the parking, but adds some offices, a "2nd tower" with additional rooms, or some apartments. That corner has the streetcar stop and is the first intersection you hit when you enter downtown. That's a prime spot.

[Ted Lyons]

I'm glad they are finally doing this. Yet, I wish they got a little more creative and included plans to redevelop the corner parking structure, perhaps mixed-use that maintains the parking, but adds some offices, a "2nd tower" with additional rooms, or some apartments. That corner has the streetcar stop and is the first intersection you hit when you enter downtown. That's a prime spot.

I think we have to take things one step at a time with HSL. After all, how's the La Placita demolition been going?

[cdsuofa]

I think we have to take things one step at a time with HSL. After all, how's the La Placita demolition been going?
I can think of so many great things HSL could do with all of that property they own. After all, they basically own a whole corner of downtown. Linking it all together into a large mixed use complex would be awesome. But I think Ted said it best lol. Hard to expect much from HSL given Humberto's past. I personally don't think they have any intention of building those apartments. If they do, it will be a long time and a lot of Rio Nuevo money from now.

[catch_22]

From the front it looks like nothing is going on, but in the back they've been doing demolition work for the last several weeks. I've heard unconfirmed reports of asbestos removal.
Views from the courtyard of Tucson Music Hall:
http://www.downtowntucson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/La-Placita-demolition-Aug28-2017-2.jpg http://www.downtowntucson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/La-Placita-demolition-Aug28-2017-1.jpg http://www.downtowntucson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/La-Placita-demolition-Aug28-2017-3.jpg

[Ted Lyons]

From the front it looks like nothing is going on, but in the back they've been doing demolition work for the last several weeks. I've heard unconfirmed reports of asbestos removal.
Views from the courtyard of Tucson Music Hall:
http://www.downtowntucson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/La-Placita-demolition-Aug28-2017-2.jpg http://www.downtowntucson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/La-Placita-demolition-Aug28-2017-1.jpg http://www.downtowntucson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/La-Placita-demolition-Aug28-2017-3.jpg

Thanks for the pics. Asbestos remediation can take a long time, so that's probably a valid reason for the delay.

[andrewsaturn]

Bourn Companies shared a video for the proposed Urban flats in downtown. its a cool concept and I will take it but like a lot of us, wish it had some height.

https://m.facebook.com/BournCompanies/

[southtucsonboy77]

Bourn Companies shared a video for the proposed Urban flats in downtown. its a cool concept and I will take it but like a lot of us, wish it had some height.

https://m.facebook.com/BournCompanies/

Its a nice product, just like HSL's "luxury" apartments, but not AT THAT location. I love QuickTrips, but they don't belong in the heart of downtown. The video is cool, I liked it, but it looks odd in that spot.

[Ted Lyons]

Construction fencing is up at The Mark site.

[kmiller5]

Bourn Companies shared a video for the proposed Urban flats in downtown. its a cool concept and I will take it but like a lot of us, wish it had some height.

https://m.facebook.com/BournCompanies/

I didn't realize Bourne was a part of this project. Are they partnering with Aerie?

[andrewsaturn]

I didn't realize Bourne was a part of this project. Are they partnering with Aerie?

No they are not haha. I think whoever manages their facebook page is a promoter of downtown development and shares a bunch of tucson development news in general. :)

[Eapiwo]

I hope I'm not off topic but I'd like to add to the discussion that Amazon is looking for a second city to headquarter in "HQ2" to place 50,000 employees in and their requirements are that they would like to be in a city with a population of 1,000,000+, a large airport, easy access to mass transit, and a good work/life balance. Technically Tucson meets those requirements, barely. For each of the three categories Tucson only barely inches itself into but those are just the requirements unique to this search as I would imagine they'd still want a highly educated workforce which Tuctown lacks. However I think the spirit of the city here is fairly strong akin to that of Atlanta and Los Angeles, we're just much much smaller. I'm not sure how convinced Tucson's leadership is that it can ever win Amazon but it's a fun idea to play with.


If a company were to bring in 50,000 jobs to our city I speculate that -

We'd be approaching 1.3 million people (at the least) residing in Pima County by the 2030 Census
We'll start to see an increase in wealth and will rank lower on poorest cities list
Our status as a city would dramatically change, likely in a similar way to Austin.
Downtown would most definitely see its new tallest towers for the offices alone, as some high rise apartments and hotels would be sure to follow. Likely to rival Phoenix's skyline
Developing mass transit across the metro would be much more viable
Sports teams would come and stay
ADOT still will not have ever considered widening I-10 East of Kino
Tucson would attract other businesses, high paying jobs
Incorporation of Vail or other areas? Still seems unlikely however expansion of existing areas seems probable.



While it sure isn't up to the same standards of other cities, Amazon would single handedly brought Tucson up to the ranks of the rest of America's happening cities if they relocated here, which would be a pretty cool sight. I don't think many other small to mid sized American cities would be able to transform to hold a 50,000 new employees but Tucson has prepared for it with the revitalization of downtown and with the exception of I-10, could easily grow by another large sum of people.


(https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/09/upshot/where-should-amazon-new-headquarters-be.html?mcubz=3)
https://www.geekwire.com/2017/amazon-build-hq2-let-data-decide/

[Eapiwo]

I hope I'm not off topic but I'd like to add to the discussion that Amazon is looking for a second city to headquarter in "HQ2" to place 50,000 employees in and their requirements are that they would like to be in a city with a population of 1,000,000+, a large airport, easy access to mass transit, and a good work/life balance. Technically Tucson meets those requirements, barely. For each of the three categories Tucson only barely inches itself into but those are just the requirements unique to this search as I would imagine they'd still want a highly educated workforce which Tuctown lacks. However I think the spirit of the city here is fairly strong akin to that of Atlanta and Los Angeles, we're just much much smaller. I'm not sure how convinced Tucson's leadership is that it can ever win Amazon but it's a fun idea to play with.


If a company were to bring in 50,000 jobs to our city I speculate that -

We'd be approaching 1.3 million people (at the least) residing in Pima County by the 2030 Census
We'll start to see an increase in wealth and will rank lower on poorest cities list
Our status as a city would dramatically change, likely in a similar way to Austin.
Downtown would most definitely see its new tallest towers for the offices alone, as some high rise apartments and hotels would be sure to follow. Likely to rival Phoenix's skyline
Developing mass transit across the metro would be much more viable
Sports teams would come and stay
ADOT still will not have ever considered widening I-10 East of Kino
Tucson would attract other businesses, high paying jobs
Incorporation of Vail or other areas? Still seems unlikely however expansion of existing areas seems probable.



While it sure isn't up to the same standards of other cities, Amazon would single handedly brought Tucson up to the ranks of the rest of America's happening cities if they relocated here, which would be a pretty cool sight. I don't think many other small to mid sized American cities would be able to transform to hold a 50,000 new employees but Tucson has prepared for it with the revitalization of downtown and with the exception of I-10, could easily grow by another large sum of people.


(https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/09/upshot/where-should-amazon-new-headquarters-be.html?mcubz=3)

https://www.geekwire.com/2017/amazon-build-hq2-let-data-decide/

Edit- I would also like to think that our lack of hurricanes and other disasters here might make us at least a least bit more desirable. Right? Sorry for the double post. Meant to edit, not quote but now I cant delete it:shrug:

[wildcatmd]

I hope I'm not off topic but I'd like to add to the discussion that Amazon is looking for a second city to headquarter in "HQ2" to place 50,000 employees in and their requirements are that they would like to be in a city with a population of 1,000,000+, a large airport, easy access to mass transit, and a good work/life balance. Technically Tucson meets those requirements, barely. For each of the three categories Tucson only barely inches itself into but those are just the requirements unique to this search as I would imagine they'd still want a highly educated workforce which Tuctown lacks. However I think the spirit of the city here is fairly strong akin to that of Atlanta and Los Angeles, we're just much much smaller. I'm not sure how convinced Tucson's leadership is that it can ever win Amazon but it's a fun idea to play with.


If a company were to bring in 50,000 jobs to our city I speculate that -

We'd be approaching 1.3 million people (at the least) residing in Pima County by the 2030 Census
We'll start to see an increase in wealth and will rank lower on poorest cities list
Our status as a city would dramatically change, likely in a similar way to Austin.
Downtown would most definitely see its new tallest towers for the offices alone, as some high rise apartments and hotels would be sure to follow. Likely to rival Phoenix's skyline
Developing mass transit across the metro would be much more viable
Sports teams would come and stay
ADOT still will not have ever considered widening I-10 East of Kino
Tucson would attract other businesses, high paying jobs
Incorporation of Vail or other areas? Still seems unlikely however expansion of existing areas seems probable.



While it sure isn't up to the same standards of other cities, Amazon would single handedly brought Tucson up to the ranks of the rest of America's happening cities if they relocated here, which would be a pretty cool sight. I don't think many other small to mid sized American cities would be able to transform to hold a 50,000 new employees but Tucson has prepared for it with the revitalization of downtown and with the exception of I-10, could easily grow by another large sum of people.


(https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/09/upshot/where-should-amazon-new-headquarters-be.html?mcubz=3)
https://www.geekwire.com/2017/amazon-build-hq2-let-data-decide/

The biggest advantage that Tucson has is that we have a cheap cost of living and a developing work/life culture. I think Amazon will choose a cheaper city given the lashing out they've received from the Seattle Community regarding gentrification. Despite this, I think we would still be behind many others cities including Detroit, Baltimore or even Phoenix.

Besides continuing focus on downtown revitalization, I think the best thing that can be done is continue to attract smaller headquarters (ala Caterpillar) that can directly draw from and feedback into U of A programs. I think that will create the kind of presence that attracts big headquarters in the same vein that Stanford, UT Austin and University of Washington are intimately connected to the business communities of San Jose, Austin and Seattle respectively,

U of A produces so much STEM talent that is exported around country. Its a shame that more isn't done to bring those companies to Tucson instead of sending our professionals to them.

[Patrick S]

I hope I'm not off topic but I'd like to add to the discussion that Amazon is looking for a second city to headquarter in "HQ2" to place 50,000 employees in and their requirements are that they would like to be in a city with a population of 1,000,000+, a large airport, easy access to mass transit, and a good work/life balance. Technically Tucson meets those requirements, barely. For each of the three categories Tucson only barely inches itself into but those are just the requirements unique to this search as I would imagine they'd still want a highly educated workforce which Tuctown lacks. However I think the spirit of the city here is fairly strong akin to that of Atlanta and Los Angeles, we're just much much smaller. I'm not sure how convinced Tucson's leadership is that it can ever win Amazon but it's a fun idea to play with.


If a company were to bring in 50,000 jobs to our city I speculate that -

We'd be approaching 1.3 million people (at the least) residing in Pima County by the 2030 Census
We'll start to see an increase in wealth and will rank lower on poorest cities list
Our status as a city would dramatically change, likely in a similar way to Austin.
Downtown would most definitely see its new tallest towers for the offices alone, as some high rise apartments and hotels would be sure to follow. Likely to rival Phoenix's skyline
Developing mass transit across the metro would be much more viable
Sports teams would come and stay
ADOT still will not have ever considered widening I-10 East of Kino
Tucson would attract other businesses, high paying jobs
Incorporation of Vail or other areas? Still seems unlikely however expansion of existing areas seems probable.



While it sure isn't up to the same standards of other cities, Amazon would single handedly brought Tucson up to the ranks of the rest of America's happening cities if they relocated here, which would be a pretty cool sight. I don't think many other small to mid sized American cities would be able to transform to hold a 50,000 new employees but Tucson has prepared for it with the revitalization of downtown and with the exception of I-10, could easily grow by another large sum of people.


(https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/09/upshot/where-should-amazon-new-headquarters-be.html?mcubz=3)
https://www.geekwire.com/2017/amazon-build-hq2-let-data-decide/
This article, although it is kinda for fun more than anything, knocks Tucson out in their first round: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/09/upshot/where-should-amazon-new-headquarters-be.html. One of the criteria is "strong job growth", the NY Times article states, "Here we’ve cut the contenders by half, keeping those metropolitan areas that have had the best job growth over the last decade, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. Metro areas that have actually lost jobs (Tucson [emphasis added by me] ; Birmingham, Ala.) and those that have grown more sluggishly are out of the running."

I'll admit when I initially heard about Amazon wanting a new, second, HQ city, I was excited. But I don't see it happening here. Our "mass-transit" is paltry compared to what other cities can offer - and they don't even have dedicated lanes here.

As for this causing the tallest building in Tucson, that may be, but I doubt it would be downtown. According to the NY Times article, "It’s hard to imagine where the Boston region would find the room for a company that will ultimately want up to eight million square feet of office space (the Pentagon, for comparison, has 6.6 million)." - 8 Million square feet of office space. There is no way they could find that space, even with a tall building, in downtown Tucson. The Sears Tower (Willis Tower) in Chicago has 4.56 million square feet. That would be one tall tower, especially compared to the other buildings in Tucson.

As for your observation about I-10 needing to be widened, east of Kino, you are right on that it needs to be widened, but this is actually on AzDOT's radar (https://www.azdot.gov/planning/transportation-studies/i-10-and-sr-210-feasibility-study/overview). I've seen a study report - which I am struggling to find right now, that indicates the 2 preferred alternatives could each result in 4-6 lanes, each way, from Alvernon to Kolb.

[combusean]

^ Nobody would put 8 million square feet in one building. That space could however easily be built with a dozen or so 400 - 500' office buildings, however, which are vastly more economical and space efficient.

[Patrick S]

^ Nobody would put 8 million square feet in one building. That space could however easily be built with a dozen or so 400 - 500' office buildings, however, which are vastly more economical and space efficient.
Exactly one of the points I'm making. Downtown would not be able to absorb that much construction. There is simply not enough space.

[Patrick S]

Although, apparently Tucson feels it has a chance to get Amazon.

Tucson woos Amazon with a 21-foot saguaro (http://tucson.com/news/local/tucson-woos-amazon-with-a--foot-saguaro/article_df967e30-989a-11e7-9b3d-33e156798aa1.html)

[southtucsonboy77]

The Mark at Tucson Student Housing Land Sale Closes at Broadway & Park for $4.6 Million (https://realestatedaily-news.com/mark-tucson-student-housing-land-sale-closes-broadway-park-4-6-million/)

I'm excited about this project.

[wildcatmd]

Although, apparently Tucson feels it has a chance to get Amazon.

Tucson woos Amazon with a 21-foot saguaro (http://tucson.com/news/local/tucson-woos-amazon-with-a--foot-saguaro/article_df967e30-989a-11e7-9b3d-33e156798aa1.html)

I think its valuable to submit this RFP even if we have no chance in hell. If nothing else, it raises Tucson's visibility to Amazon for the future and possibly other companies as well!

[kmiller5]

https://tucsonfoodie.com/2017/09/14/ten-fifty-five-brewing-open-downtown/

Good news!

[crzyabe]

CVS out, Starbucks in......may be

https://www.azpm.org/p/home-articles-news/2017/9/18/116817-cvs-nixes-plans-for-store-in-iconic-downtown-building/

[southtucsonboy77]

Rio Nuevo Wants 150KSF Mixed-Use Developer (http://azbex.com/rio-nuevo-wants-150ksf-mixed-use-developer/)

Its been discussed on this thread, but this is a good article that provides a little a more detail:

A new RFP hit the street last Friday from the Rio Nuevo Multipurpose Facilities District seeking a developer to create a new mixed-use project on 0.6 acres at Broadway Boulevard between Scott and 6th avenues in Tucson.

The district is looking for a minimum of an eight-story development with at least 150KSF of Class A retail and office space with retail/restaurant operations fronting on Broadway. Required parking will be at least 500 spaces. Thirty spaces will have to be available for the district to use at any time for any purpose. Vehicle entry points will be from Scott and 6th.

Street-level amenities to be considered include walkability and connection to transit stops and pedestrian/bike paths. The design and aesthetics must also fit with surrounding developments.

The district wants construction to start within 12 months of the award and take fewer than 18 months to complete.

[farmerk]

Rio Nuevo Wants 150KSF Mixed-Use Developer (http://azbex.com/rio-nuevo-wants-150ksf-mixed-use-developer/)

Its been discussed on this thread, but this is a good article that provides a little a more detail:

A new RFP hit the street last Friday from the Rio Nuevo Multipurpose Facilities District seeking a developer to create a new mixed-use project on 0.6 acres at Broadway Boulevard between Scott and 6th avenues in Tucson.

The district is looking for a minimum of an eight-story development with at least 150KSF of Class A retail and office space with retail/restaurant operations fronting on Broadway. Required parking will be at least 500 spaces. Thirty spaces will have to be available for the district to use at any time for any purpose. Vehicle entry points will be from Scott and 6th.

Street-level amenities to be considered include walkability and connection to transit stops and pedestrian/bike paths. The design and aesthetics must also fit with surrounding developments.

The district wants construction to start within 12 months of the award and take fewer than 18 months to complete.

Yes, I like it. Instead of maximum height limit and NIMBY approved, it's minimum height and sky's the limit.

I'd wished to see more of these types of proposals. Finally. :tup:

[southtucsonboy77]

Yes, I like it. Instead of maximum height limit and NIMBY approved, it's minimum height and sky's the limit.

I'd wished to see more of these types of proposals. Finally. :tup:

I imagine 4-5 floors would be parking, and 3 + would be actual building (non-garage). Moving forward after this development, I hope developers don't get too carried away with garage/building combos. This RFP and the new AC Marriott are already in close proximity. Could this be the development that will be greater than or equal to 10 floors in downtown Tucson?

[farmerk]

I imagine 4-5 floors would be parking, and 3 + would be actual building (non-garage). Moving forward after this development, I hope developers don't get too carried away with garage/building combos. This RFP and the new AC Marriott are already in close proximity. Could this be the development that will be greater than or equal to 10 floors in downtown Tucson?

If it's 4-5 floor parking, it better have at least 4-5 floor non-parking.

I'm crossing my fingers this will be the beginning of a new trend.

I'm fed up with developers promising to build 10 floors but ending up building with 5 floors.

[Ted Lyons]

Just now listening to last Friday's Buckmaster Show. In interviewing Jan Lesher, Pima County Deputy Administrator, he brought up a rumor he's evidently heard from several people about an imminent announcement of a financial services sector company bringing 5,000 jobs to Tucson. The rumor seemed pretty detailed as this company has apparently focused on a specific 25-acre site. Jan Lesher had no comment when asked about the rumor.

[kmiller5]

Just now listening to last Friday's Buckmaster Show. In interviewing Jan Lesher, Pima County Deputy Administrator, he brought up a rumor he's evidently heard from several people about an imminent announcement of a financial services sector company bringing 5,000 jobs to Tucson. The rumor seemed pretty detailed as this company has apparently focused on a specific 25-acre site. Jan Lesher had no comment when asked about the rumor.

Holy crap! Has anyone on this board heard these rumors? That would be huge for Tucson!

[cdsuofa]

Just now listening to last Friday's Buckmaster Show. In interviewing Jan Lesher, Pima County Deputy Administrator, he brought up a rumor he's evidently heard from several people about an imminent announcement of a financial services sector company bringing 5,000 jobs to Tucson. The rumor seemed pretty detailed as this company has apparently focused on a specific 25-acre site. Jan Lesher had no comment when asked about the rumor.
That would be awesome!

[southtucsonboy77]

Funny story...so I shared an article a few months back (from our friends in the Albq Thread) regarding the City of Albuquerque and its "competition" to build the city's tallest skyscraper.

They received 3 proposals...a 36-, 34-, and (wait a minute) 5-story "tower" proposals. The city moved forward with the 5-story building. At least this kind of stuff doesn't just happen in Tucson.

Ideas for new downtown skyscraper revealed (http://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/ideas-for-new-downtown-skyscraper-revealed/4613887/?cat=504)

[Ted Lyons]

The plans for the Monier apartments were finally approved earlier this month. On the 13th, the Gadsden Company submitted a request for a zoning compliance letter in regard to the property that indicated construction would begin on or around November 15th.

[mgs11]

Funny story...so I shared an article a few months back (from our friends in the Albq Thread) regarding the City of Albuquerque and its "competition" to build the city's tallest skyscraper.

They received 3 proposals...a 36-, 34-, and (wait a minute) 5-story "tower" proposals. The city moved forward with the 5-story building. At least this kind of stuff doesn't just happen in Tucson.

Ideas for new downtown skyscraper revealed (http://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/ideas-for-new-downtown-skyscraper-revealed/4613887/?cat=504)

Yeah it's pretty dumb. But the commission is going to work with the Symphony Tower to refine the proposal and bring it back.

[Ted Lyons]

Looks like the Corbett Building fire (and subsequent insurance payout) may have finally spurred some redevelopment plans. The owners have a FORS design up for review at the next Historical Commission Plans Review Subcommittee meeting.

https://i.imgur.com/fjGI9mM.png?1

[Patrick S]

I was driving north up Houghton earlier today and noticed there was a sign up for "Saguaro Trails" south of Irvington, that said it was coming in 2018. Found a website up and running, if not completely finished: https://mattamyhomes.com/tucson/communities/tucson-saguaro-trails.aspx

[Patrick S]

Tucson Real Estate: Caterpillar leases additional space downtown (http://tucson.com/business/tucson-real-estate-caterpillar-leases-additional-space-downtown/article_a561e534-99e7-5ce2-8541-d7c3057d39e6.html)

Caterpillar signed a lease until April of 2019 in 1 S. Church, while their new building is being constructed.

[ohhhthatdaniel]

Regents give University of Arizona OK to build honors college complex (http://tucson.com/news/local/regents-give-university-of-arizona-ok-to-build-honors-college/article_a6e5a54c-a494-11e7-995a-379967c53d3c.html)

This article has at least 1 interesting rendering. I'm afraid we might build out too much and start to replicate ASU's Tempe campus.

[ASU Diablo]

Will the demise of the UA basketball program have any type of negative impact for the local economy? I'm asking for a friend

[Tloc]

Will the demise of the UA basketball program have any type of negative impact for the local economy? I'm asking for a friend

Did you and your friend go to ASU? Because that's a really stupid question.

[Patrick S]

What's going up? Downtown cathedral getting neighboring event center, offices (http://tucson.com/business/what-s-going-up-downtown-cathedral-getting-neighboring-event-center/article_b8b27026-6999-5348-af6a-d76a97f31f2a.html)

Highlights from the article include:

"The church received a building permit to begin construction of a $9.8 million, four-story, 64,000-square-foot structure that will feature a 500-seat event and education center and offices for the cathedral and the Diocese of Tucson. The building will replace St. Augustine’s parish hall, which officials said was not large enough to serve the nearly 1,000 families in the parish, much less the whole diocese.

The current diocese offices at 111 S. Church Ave. will be demolished and a seven-story facility for senior housing will be built by the Foundation for Senior Living."

...as well as...

"A $548,000 permit was issued for the foundation of the future student-housing project, The Mark, at 999 E. Broadway."

[southtucsonboy77]

Will the demise of the UA basketball program have any type of negative impact for the local economy? I'm asking for a friend

Arizona athletics gets approved for $66 million in construction projects (http://allsportstucson.com/2017/09/28/arizona-athletics-gets-approved-for-66-million-in-construction-projects/)

I think the University and the region will be just fine. Life goes on and there's still a lot to be filtered and determined on who did what and knew what in regards to the basketball scandal. UNC athletics was clearly involved with their academic scandal...and its been a few years already and still yet-to-be-determined sanctions on the athletic teams involved (including basketball) and basketball has made it to 2 NCAA Finals, winning one.

[somethingfast]

Did you and your friend go to ASU? Because that's a really stupid question.

Not a stupid question at all since half the population in Tucson will commit suicide if The Program takes a serious fall lol. I kid of course but kinda not. I can say this as a Tucson native and HUGE Wildcat fan. But let's be honest...not a lot going on in the Ol' Pueblo outside of Wildcat BB, good Mexican food and good weather. So, yeah, this is a huge deal and I can see people actually pulling up anchors and leaving if basketball is dead.

[wildcatmd]

Not a stupid question at all since half the population in Tucson will commit suicide if The Program takes a serious fall lol. I kid of course but kinda not. I can say this as a Tucson native and HUGE Wildcat fan. But let's be honest...not a lot going on in the Ol' Pueblo outside of Wildcat BB, good Mexican food and good weather. So, yeah, this is a huge deal and I can see people actually pulling up anchors and leaving if basketball is dead.

This is hyperbole and I think underestimates UA fan loyalty.

I mean UA basketball wasn't elite like literally 10 years ago. (post-Olsen/pre-miller). I don't recall people heading for hills. Even if this scandal does blow up and we enter a post-miller era the institutional memory/alumni are there to help the program rebuild. The biggest issue would be cuts that other UA athletics would likely have to face since men's basketball literally subsidizes everybody else (including football this year).

[somethingfast]

This is hyperbole and I think underestimates UA fan loyalty.

I mean UA basketball wasn't elite like literally 10 years ago. (post-Olsen/pre-miller). I don't recall people heading for hills. Even if this scandal does blow up and we enter a post-miller era the institutional memory/alumni are there to help the program rebuild. The biggest issue would be cuts that other UA athletics would likely have to face since men's basketball literally subsidizes everybody else (including football this year).

Of course it's hyperbole. But Zona has been Elite for nearly 30 years...yes, small bump during transition from Lute to Sean but that was 2 years max...so don't underestimate the connection between loyalty and winning. If Wildcat fans were loyal by nature purely then the football program would sell out ever game. They don't. In fact, I'd suggest attendance was greater in the 80's and 90's when the population was 20-30% less. So, yeah, I think the program taking a big hit (let's hope not) will have disastrous effects. Fans already feel "cheated" in that several Wildcat teams over the last 20 years SHOULD have made Final Four runs and fell short. This year (like last...yawn...always a day late dollar short with this program) is Final Four or Bust. The psychological impact of a huge fall from grace for Miller and/or the larger program will be very significant on the community. It's quite literally the only game in town...

[andrewsaturn]

Not a stupid question at all since half the population in Tucson will commit suicide if The Program takes a serious fall lol. I kid of course but kinda not. I can say this as a Tucson native and HUGE Wildcat fan. But let's be honest...not a lot going on in the Ol' Pueblo outside of Wildcat BB, good Mexican food and good weather. So, yeah, this is a huge deal and I can see people actually pulling up anchors and leaving if basketball is dead.

Its a stupid question. Tucson does not revolve around Wildcat basketball. Believe it or not but Tucson has a lot of non-Wildcat fans who love living here for the things our city has to offer like a growing downtown, hiking, restaurants, concert events, and community events. And for the wildcat fans who do live here, its just makes it even more awesome.

IMO, worst case scenario,Wildcat basketball would obviously go through a rebuilding process that could last for years and being a biased fan, we would eventually return to an elite program lol. I think we have loyal basketball fans not football fans because we have never had an elite football program. And quite frankly since it is the "only" game in town, Wildcat basketball will flourish since it is a Tucson thing just not flourish as much because of this scandal.

[fawd]

Tucson does not revolve around Wildcat basketball.

Tucson revolves around UA basketball

[andrewsaturn]

Tucson revolves around UA basketball

Sorry, Tucson economy does not.

[somethingfast]

Sorry, Tucson economy does not.

Sorry, have to disagree emphatically with you. A huge fall for the Zona Program WILL have an impact on the local economy. Far more significant than what crappy ASU programs due to its local economy. There are plenty of entertainment options in Phoenix...not so much in Tucson. A very large part of the community psychology is the positives a strong BB program brings Tucson. And its history. But there are people that will leave that town if the program goes tits up. How many? Who knows. Enough to kill the economy? Of course not! But Tucson is a marginal town economically. Micro shocks can be detrimental there.

[cdsuofa]

There are connections between a school's athletic success and number of applicants which in turn leads to a school being able to be more selective. https://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2013/04/29/the-flutie-effect-how-athletic-success-boosts-college-applications/#3ed7e0386e96
Not to mention the free publicity every time a nationally televised game shows beautiful scenes of Tucson during their broadcasts. That Im sure is worth plenty in itself. Many Arizona fans(like myself) gather at local restaurants to watch away games, dine before or after home games, buy merch at the bookstore. No it wont have a significant impact on Tucson's economy if Arizona Basketball drops out of the elite level but I dont think it's a stupid question.

[andrewsaturn]

Sorry, have to disagree emphatically with you. A huge fall for the Zona Program WILL have an impact on the local economy. Far more significant than what crappy ASU programs due to its local economy. There are plenty of entertainment options in Phoenix...not so much in Tucson. A very large part of the community psychology is the positives a strong BB program brings Tucson. And its history. But there are people that will leave that town if the program goes tits up. How many? Who knows. Enough to kill the economy? Of course not! But Tucson is a marginal town economically. Micro shocks can be detrimental there.

Agree to disagree. But like I said before most people don't live here because of Arizona basketball. There are things to do here just not professional sports. Obviously, professional sports is really important to some people but not all people and that's why people continue to move here! There is many community events, restaurants, hiking to do here along with weather. That's what makes Tucson economy and AZ athletics is a plus. There are many Sun Devils that live here but not because of UofA sports.

It is true that the success of Arizona basketball will have an impact on our ATHLETICS program and when the Cats win it boosts restaurant earnings and I guess school applications as well according to that article but that's what it does, it boosts.

[farmerk]

Tucson got it's free advertisement via Amazon's second headquarter search (http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/04/technology/amazon-second-headquarters-city-proposals/index.html)

I certainly hope Tucson gets this bonanza. Tucson has one great advantage over the other candidates - Mother Nature's TLC of Tucson.

The NIMBY's won't like it, of course.

[Patrick S]

Tucson got it's free advertisement via Amazon's second headquarter search (http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/04/technology/amazon-second-headquarters-city-proposals/index.html)

I certainly hope Tucson gets this bonanza. Tucson has one great advantage over the other candidates - Mother Nature's TLC of Tucson.

The NIMBY's won't like it, of course.
I saw that article yesterday. It's interesting to note that the Bay Area's spokesman joked, "We won't be including any cacti. But we may throw in a pinot". I think that Tucson has absolutely no chance to get this project. But that quote and articles like this are the free press you speak of. Is it going to work for this project, most likely not, but I think what it does is it gets, and hopefully keeps, Tucson in the minds of other companies that may be thinking of moving or opening new offices or headquarters - companies we have a much more realistic shot at landing.

[InTheBurbs]

Congress Street Named one of 2017's "Great Streets" by the American Planning Association

https://planning.org/greatplaces/streets/2017/congress/

https://planning-org-uploaded-media.s3.amazonaws.com/image/Congress-Street-Sunset.jpg
Image: Steven Meckler via APA

[Sun Belt]

^That picture is nice.

[omarainza]

Wow, didn't realize this was a sports redundancy forum. Let's get a grip, folks.

Also, may not be as exciting but the retail plaza at Valencia and Headley is coming along. Finally getting an IHOP in my neck of the woods :)

[Eapiwo]

Looks like the City of Tucson is going to annex Littletown and Ranch Valencia in the next month or so. The annexation will bring in about 3,100 residents to the city and also the Pilot Travel Center, Triple T, and the Truck Service center. Hopefully this will improve the area a little. It's one of the first things people see when driving in from the east and it's not so great visually.
The city recently annexed Valencia Reserve and Empire Vista which are newer neighborhoods along that side of Valencia.

http://tucson.com/news/local/tucson-to-annex-acres-largest-in-recent-history-on-southeast/article_e60584af-3ee9-5cda-bb4d-5bde6dc79f3a.html#tncms-source=infinity-scroll-summary-siderail-latest


I wonder how much more the city is planning to annex down there. It would be nice for the city to have already annexed that land before houses are built upon it.

[Patrick S]

Looks like the City of Tucson is going to annex Littletown and Ranch Valencia in the next month or so. The annexation will bring in about 3,100 residents to the city and also the Pilot Travel Center, Triple T, and the Truck Service center. Hopefully this will improve the area a little. It's one of the first things people see when driving in from the east and it's not so great visually.
The city recently annexed Valencia Reserve and Empire Vista which are newer neighborhoods along that side of Valencia.

http://tucson.com/news/local/tucson-to-annex-acres-largest-in-recent-history-on-southeast/article_e60584af-3ee9-5cda-bb4d-5bde6dc79f3a.html#tncms-source=infinity-scroll-summary-siderail-latest


I wonder how much more the city is planning to annex down there. It would be nice for the city to have already annexed that land before houses are built upon it.
I came across this in the agenda for this week's city council meeting, but they didn't have population estimates, so I was glad when I saw 3,100 residents, which is more than I figured. Also of note, from the city council meeting this week is the approval of plats for Saguaro Trails just west of Houghton, south of Valencia.

[southtucsonboy77]

Not what I expected, but a Popeye's will be going up on the northeast corner of Speedway and Stone. I hope they can maintain a good view of that cool mural on the building just north of that vacant lot. I'm glad the empty eyesore will have some infill.

If only someone can get something going on the empty southwest corner lot...and deal with the annoying NA who busted the balls of the last major attempt to develop it.

[nickw252]

The annexation should help city tax revenue also. I know there are a lot of County islands with retail establishments (in part to reduce sales tax). This will help level the playing field.

[farmerk]

I saw that article yesterday. It's interesting to note that the Bay Area's spokesman joked, "We won't be including any cacti. But we may throw in a pinot". I think that Tucson has absolutely no chance to get this project. But that quote and articles like this are the free press you speak of. Is it going to work for this project, most likely not, but I think what it does is it gets, and hopefully keeps, Tucson in the minds of other companies that may be thinking of moving or opening new offices or headquarters - companies we have a much more realistic shot at landing.

FYI, Raytheon moved to Tucson during the 50's when Tucson was a small city of 50k.

Tesla moved to Reno Metro.

[crzyabe]

FYI, Raytheon moved to Tucson during the 50's when Tucson was a small city of 50k.

Tucson was chosen because Howard Hughes was concerned that a coastal location for a manufacturing facility would be vulnerable to attack should the US go to war with the USSR. Tucson was far enough from the coast to be safe, but not too far that it was still within reasonable travel distance from corporate offices in Southern California. Plus I imagine the land was cheap

[Thirsty]

Tesla moved to Reno Metro.

Not the HQ, just one of the factories. Tesla asked for a half billion in cash up front, NV countered with $1.3B in tax dodges instead.

I doubt the legislature would put up 1% of that to lure anything to Pima County.

[Ted Lyons]

Crane construction at Aspire is beginning today.

[southtucsonboy77]

CityPark
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4514/37877384046_c376d0490c_n.jpg

The Marist on Cathedral Square
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4445/37220885354_9f16ef98f1_n.jpg https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4494/37220885154_2820750f83_n.jpg https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4505/37877383776_64769e4ab4_n.jpg

Westerner/West Point
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4478/37877384196_d89185030c_n.jpg https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4462/37220885804_d7ecdb4d67_n.jpg

[Patrick S]

Shipping container housing project to go up near downtown Tucson (http://tucson.com/business/shipping-container-housing-project-to-go-up-near-downtown-tucson/article_1a70cc00-7b63-5ba5-b724-e804b4027c83.html)
A young Tucson couple is setting out to revolutionize the housing market.

Janelle Briggs and Ryan Egan expect to start construction on their first Stackhouse development next year.

The patent-pending Stackhouse is a steel structure with slots for shipping-container homes.

Homebuyers can pick their container and rent a slot in the Stackhouse, which will be located near the head of the snake bridge at Broadway and Euclid Avenue.

The structure will hold two units per floor with five to seven stories and is expected to be about 50-feet high. A special crane will lift and place the containers in their slot.

After the Tucson development, Briggs and Egan will build Stackhouses in California, Colorado and Washington state and aspire to be in every state one day, offering members of the Stackhouse community the opportunity to take their homes with them when they move or travel.

“No one has done this before and we know this is coming to the market,” said Briggs, co-founder and business strategist for Stackhouse. “We wanted to be the first to introduce it in urban cores and tech centers.

“It’s a no-brainer to give it a shot.”

Amazon recently began selling prefabricated shipping container houses that only need a slab to sit on and plug in the sewer, water and electricity connections.

Manufactured by MODS International, the $36,000 homes cost $4,500 to deliver and come fully furnished. The 40-foot containers offer 320 square feet of living space.

In recognition of the tiny house appeal, last year Pima County waived certain building codes such as minimum dwelling, room and ceiling dimensions and stairway requirements for loft areas.


Briggs’ partner, Egan, a commercial real estate broker, said he is excited about the idea of providing affordable housing with these developments.

“I feel like this could help so many people,” he said.

They are working with manufacturers to get the cost of the home in the $35,000 to $40,000 range, which will include full-size kitchen appliances. Rent in the Stackhouse, which will include utilities, cable and Internet, will start at $500 a month for a ground slot and climb to $1,000 for the top floor.

Each slot will have a wraparound deck and each structure will feature a rooftop deck for residents to share.

Stackhouse membership will entitle homeowners to bid on slots in different locations or trade spaces with their neighbors. The cost of the membership has not been determined.

The idea of such a model came to them when they were looking to downsize their own living space, Briggs said.

“We loved the idea of tiny housing and found so many options, including shipping containers placed on our property,” she said. “But we thought we should be able to take our home with us wherever we go.”

The duo plans to invest about $650,000 on the Tucson development and is working with interested investors.

They plan to target first-time homebuyers and active retirees who like the idea of taking their home with them as they move around the country, visiting grandchildren in different states.

“They still want to sleep in their own bed,” Briggs said.

[Ted Lyons]

Shipping container housing project to go up near downtown Tucson (http://tucson.com/business/shipping-container-housing-project-to-go-up-near-downtown-tucson/article_1a70cc00-7b63-5ba5-b724-e804b4027c83.html)
A young Tucson couple is setting out to revolutionize the housing market.

Janelle Briggs and Ryan Egan expect to start construction on their first Stackhouse development next year.

The patent-pending Stackhouse is a steel structure with slots for shipping-container homes.

Homebuyers can pick their container and rent a slot in the Stackhouse, which will be located near the head of the snake bridge at Broadway and Euclid Avenue.

The structure will hold two units per floor with five to seven stories and is expected to be about 50-feet high. A special crane will lift and place the containers in their slot.

After the Tucson development, Briggs and Egan will build Stackhouses in California, Colorado and Washington state and aspire to be in every state one day, offering members of the Stackhouse community the opportunity to take their homes with them when they move or travel.

“No one has done this before and we know this is coming to the market,” said Briggs, co-founder and business strategist for Stackhouse. “We wanted to be the first to introduce it in urban cores and tech centers.

“It’s a no-brainer to give it a shot.”

Amazon recently began selling prefabricated shipping container houses that only need a slab to sit on and plug in the sewer, water and electricity connections.

Manufactured by MODS International, the $36,000 homes cost $4,500 to deliver and come fully furnished. The 40-foot containers offer 320 square feet of living space.

In recognition of the tiny house appeal, last year Pima County waived certain building codes such as minimum dwelling, room and ceiling dimensions and stairway requirements for loft areas.


Briggs’ partner, Egan, a commercial real estate broker, said he is excited about the idea of providing affordable housing with these developments.

“I feel like this could help so many people,” he said.

They are working with manufacturers to get the cost of the home in the $35,000 to $40,000 range, which will include full-size kitchen appliances. Rent in the Stackhouse, which will include utilities, cable and Internet, will start at $500 a month for a ground slot and climb to $1,000 for the top floor.

Each slot will have a wraparound deck and each structure will feature a rooftop deck for residents to share.

Stackhouse membership will entitle homeowners to bid on slots in different locations or trade spaces with their neighbors. The cost of the membership has not been determined.

The idea of such a model came to them when they were looking to downsize their own living space, Briggs said.

“We loved the idea of tiny housing and found so many options, including shipping containers placed on our property,” she said. “But we thought we should be able to take our home with us wherever we go.”

The duo plans to invest about $650,000 on the Tucson development and is working with interested investors.

They plan to target first-time homebuyers and active retirees who like the idea of taking their home with them as they move around the country, visiting grandchildren in different states.

“They still want to sleep in their own bed,” Briggs said.

First of all, I spent about 20 minutes looking up what parcel near the head of the snake bridge this could be on but didn't find anything on PRO. Second, I'm not sure I understand the business model of having people invest $30,000 to $40,000 in a home and then charge them up to $1,000 per month in rent. With current interest rates, I think you could probably buy a $220,000 house with an equivalent down payment and pay about $1,000 a month. And, the house would almost definitely be significantly bigger than 320 square feet.

[Patrick S]

First of all, I spent about 20 minutes looking up what parcel near the head of the snake bridge this could be on but didn't find anything on PRO. Second, I'm not sure I understand the business model of having people invest $30,000 to $40,000 in a home and then charge them up to $1,000 per month in rent. With current interest rates, I think you could probably buy a $220,000 house with an equivalent down payment and pay about $1,000 a month. And, the house would almost definitely be significantly bigger than 320 square feet.
I'm not sure what I think of this. It's an interesting idea, but not sure how successful it will be. My dad lives about 90 miles west of Chicago and became one of the dreaded snowbirds last year. He had been looking for a place for a couple years - looked for a condo, wanted some place where he didn't have to take care of a yard and worry about things too much while he was gone for 8 months. He ended up getting a double-wide trailer at a 55+ mobile home park. He paid around $20k and has a $650 or so rent a month. My point is, there are those who want something quick and easy, and don't mind paying rent monthly. Again, I'm not sure about this, and don't know how successful this will be, but there may be some that are drawn to it.

[Ted Lyons]

I'm not sure what I think of this. It's an interesting idea, but not sure how successful it will be. My dad lives about 90 miles west of Chicago and became one of the dreaded snowbirds last year. He had been looking for a place for a couple years - looked for a condo, wanted some place where he didn't have to take care of a yard and worry about things too much while he was gone for 8 months. He ended up getting a double-wide trailer at a 55+ mobile home park. He paid around $20k and has a $650 or so rent a month. My point is, there are those who want something quick and easy, and don't mind paying rent monthly. Again, I'm not sure about this, and don't know how successful this will be, but there may be some that are drawn to it.

Is the mobile home park centrally located? Those costs change my perspective on this a little, but a double-wide is significantly bigger than 320 square feet.

[Patrick S]

Is the mobile home park centrally located? Those costs change my perspective on this a little, but a double-wide is significantly bigger than 320 square feet.
No. Camino Seco, south of Golf Links.

[InTheBurbs]

We spent this past weekend in Tucson. Stayed at the Marriott AC; checked out Street Tacos, Johnny Gibsons, Hub Ice Cream, Cartel. Took Sun Link over to U of A a couple of times. My first time back in Tucson in in 6 or 7 years. I was really impressed with all the changes downtown. Hope they continue!

I took a few pictures and thought I'd share them here.

Marriott AC
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4454/38003127986_97c23f55c6_c.jpg

Downtown Early Morning
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4453/37347000324_48dc85d9d6_z.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4494/37347245704_22350e48f6_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4474/37347003204_eb59c1479e_c.jpg

UofA from Marriott AC
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4472/37347007734_a3a2977026_c.jpg

Main Gate "Skyline"
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4502/37347008784_e6f6d11835_c.jpg

Murals
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4476/38003114496_9c541b58f4_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4459/38003111866_04e4e067cb_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4464/37347010924_463a3740e8_c.jpg

Bill Walton Jackalope
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4504/38003125286_cbb739f48f_c.jpg

Wall of Wheels at Cartel Coffee
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4453/38025503482_2ff4363b61_c.jpg

[Ted Lyons]

Great shots!

I found the webcam for The Mark: https://ueb.net/webcam31.html

Still looking for one for Aspire.

[southtucsonboy77]

Great shots!

I found the webcam for The Mark: https://ueb.net/webcam31.html

Still looking for one for Aspire.

That's a great view. Thanks for sharing that webcam.

[dtnphx]

This Phoenix boy loves me some Tucson. Great photos.

[Talltowernerd]

Picture I took today of Aspire--looks like a tower crane will rise any day now!
https://s1.postimg.org/8rveihhxvj/Aspire_Tus11-1-17.jpg

[kmiller5]

That's a great view. Thanks for sharing that webcam.

Beautiful view. Attention developers: I will gladly sell my house and buy a condo if you can get me that view

[Ted Lyons]

Crane construction at Aspire.

https://i.imgur.com/3dUR4j8.jpg?1

[Sun Belt]

This is a great shot!



[SIZE="3"]UofA from Marriott AC
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4472/37347007734_a3a2977026_c.jpg

[exit2lef]

We spent this past weekend in Tucson. Stayed at the Marriott AC; checked out Street Tacos, Johnny Gibsons, Hub Ice Cream, Cartel. Took Sun Link over to U of A a couple of times. My first time back in Tucson in in 6 or 7 years. I was really impressed with all the changes downtown. Hope they continue!

I took a few pictures and thought I'd share them here.

Marriott AC
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4454/38003127986_97c23f55c6_c.jpg



How was the hotel? I was hoping to stay there during my last business trip to Tucson, but the hotel was still a week away from opening. I hope to try it on my next trip.