Tucson Development Thread

[crzyabe]

http://rionuevo.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/PRESENTATION-PEACH-FINAL.pdf

Looks like the Cultivate Tucson shop will be permanent in the Chicago Store location.

All of those businesses about to open in that presentation are really cool. Peach Dabdoub are doing a great job

[ljbuild]

Vote NO on Sharon Bronson,

SHE'S BAD NEWS FOR TUCSON! :slob::slob:

She's the Typical TREE HUGGER that would:

rather provide an environment for an "endangered scorpion"

than to provide an environment to attract major businesses which would lead

More HIGH paying jobs!!

[jvbahn]

Can we put you in a glass enclosure with the endangered scorpions and make some popcorn?

[kmiller5]

Check out all the local businesses headed to four downtown redevelopment projects receiving funds from Rio Nuevo (including Chris Bianco reopening his restaurant at 123 S. Stone):

http://rionuevo.org/peach-dabdoub/

http://rionuevo.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/PRESENTATION-PEACH-FINAL.pdf

http://rionuevo.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/RIO-NUEVO-ADVANCES-THREE-SIGNIFICANT-PUBLICPRIVATE-PARTNERSHIPS.pdf

Looks like City Park is set to move forward, also. Good news!

[Ted Lyons]

Check out all the local businesses headed to four downtown redevelopment projects receiving funds from Rio Nuevo (including Chris Bianco reopening his restaurant at 123 S. Stone):

http://rionuevo.org/peach-dabdoub/

http://rionuevo.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/PRESENTATION-PEACH-FINAL.pdf

http://rionuevo.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/RIO-NUEVO-ADVANCES-THREE-SIGNIFICANT-PUBLICPRIVATE-PARTNERSHIPS.pdf

Great find! Excited that Yellow Brick will have a downtown location.

[NicosSuperfries]

Check out all the local businesses headed to four downtown redevelopment projects receiving funds from Rio Nuevo (including Chris Bianco reopening his restaurant at 123 S. Stone):

http://rionuevo.org/peach-dabdoub/

http://rionuevo.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/PRESENTATION-PEACH-FINAL.pdf

http://rionuevo.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/RIO-NUEVO-ADVANCES-THREE-SIGNIFICANT-PUBLICPRIVATE-PARTNERSHIPS.pdf

This is awesome! So excited for all the new businesses opening in downtown, it's one of the reasons I moved into the area. I am especially looking forward to Cultivate's space and yellow brick.

Also, huge shout out to you, kaneui. I constantly check and refer others to the page you created to see everything to look forward to in Tucson development-wise.

[crzyabe]

Santa Cruz river could flow again through downtown Tucson (http://tucson.com/news/science/environment/santa-cruz-river-could-flow-again-through-downtown-tucson/article_1aac5f08-445f-544a-bb26-5612858a43da.html)

[southtucsonboy77]

Uber / UA Public Private Partnership Opening Soon at UA Tech Center (https://realestatedaily-news.com/uber-ua-public-private-partnership-opening-soon-ua-tech-center/)

I read this and wondered why there hasn't been more press about this...or did I miss it...? Sounds like a great partnership and opportunity for the UofA and the Tucson community.

[Ted Lyons]

Some of this information is a little outdated, but these two Downtown Tucson Partnership documents shed some light on the status of some projects downtown and reference a few projects we haven't heard about yet.

http://www.downtowntucson.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/2016-Greater-Downtown-Proposed-Development.pdf

http://www.downtowntucson.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CEOReport-September-8-2016.pdf

[T'Town]

I'm sure more info will be out in the future but Topgolf is potentially headed to I-10 and Orange Grove. If this comes to fruition it would be a great addition to the NW side of town.

[Ted Lyons]

I'm sure more info will be out in the future but Topgolf is potentially headed to I-10 and Orange Grove. If this comes to fruition it would be a great addition to the NW side of town.

Would it be a redevelopment of The Practice Tee?

[T'Town]

Would it be a redevelopment of The Practice Tee?

Yes, I have heard it is a reconfiguration of the Practice Tee.

[southtucsonboy77]

Seventh Avenue Commons next workforce housing project planned for Tucson Streetcar Line (https://realestatedaily-news.com/tucson-streetcar-draws-affordable-housing-developers/)

Kind of an exaggeration...but it is within walking distance to the 4th Ave stops, approx. 4 blocks (or 8 mini blocks with the alleys) away. It is pretty close to the Downtown Links alignment.

[ljbuild]

Can we put you in a glass enclosure with the endangered scorpions and make some popcorn?

Only if you are WILLING TO SIT IN THE ENCLOSURE WITH ME !:cheers::cheers:

[kmiller5]

Some good news.

http://tucson.com/news/local/tucson-mayor-raytheon-deal-to-create-jobs-here/article_d924d9f0-ada1-11e6-89e1-6b9012ec6484.html

[Ted Lyons]

$400 million in new construction!

[southtucsonboy77]

Great news!

[crzyabe]

New (I think) rendings of the RendezVous Urban Flats (http://tucson.siretechnologies.com/SIREPub/cache/2/2300741C2C32C3925D4533FEC3333333737337545425545447/805205611182016090729824.pdf)

[Ted Lyons]

New food hall under construction on south 4th Avenue.

https://tucsonfoodie.com/2016/11/18/american-eat-co-market-to-open-chef-driven-food-court-on-s-fourth-avenue/?utm_content=buffer2df0a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[southtucsonboy77]

UA to build parking garage, add new department, degree programs (http://tucson.com/news/local/education/ua-to-build-parking-garage-add-new-department-degree-programs/article_4627f98c-db3f-5a0e-9e1d-659f77952d1d.html)

[Ted Lyons]

Not a great rendering, but one exists nonetheless for the new parking garage.

http://www.pdc.arizona.edu/project/Image/13-9168.jpg

[chenley333]

Not a great rendering, but one exists nonetheless for the new parking garage.

http://www.pdc.arizona.edu/project/Image/13-9168.jpg

Lots more renderings/info here http://www.rinconheights.org/ua-south-stadium-parking-garage.html

[chenley333]

http://www.rinconheights.org/uploads/1/5/5/7/15579966/mark_orig.jpg?422

Proposed 900-bed student housing & retail building at Park & Broadway. Keeping façade of old Green Dolphin, a 1929 Joesler. Retail along Park and at 10th St corner, townhomes along 10th St. 10 floors on Broadway, 5 floors on Park, 10th St, & Tyndall

http://www.rinconheights.org/the-mark-development-park--broadway.html

[Ted Lyons]

http://www.rinconheights.org/uploads/1/5/5/7/15579966/mark_orig.jpg?422

Proposed 900-bed student housing & retail building at Park & Broadway. Keeping façade of old Green Dolphin, a 1929 Joesler. Retail along Park and at 10th St corner, townhomes along 10th St. 10 floors on Broadway, 5 floors on Park, 10th St, & Tyndall

http://www.rinconheights.org/the-mark-development-park--broadway.html

Great finds on both of these!

[aznate27]

http://www.rinconheights.org/uploads/1/5/5/7/15579966/mark_orig.jpg?422

Proposed 900-bed student housing & retail building at Park & Broadway. Keeping façade of old Green Dolphin, a 1929 Joesler. Retail along Park and at 10th St corner, townhomes along 10th St. 10 floors on Broadway, 5 floors on Park, 10th St, & Tyndall

http://www.rinconheights.org/the-mark-development-park--broadway.html

Any timeline on when this might get built? It would be nice to see some height in that area along Broadway.

[southtucsonboy77]

Thank you for that information...made my day!

[kmiller5]

Looks like the Proper location has a liquor license notice up in the window. Any idea what is going in there?

[Ted Lyons]

Looks like the Proper location has a liquor license notice up in the window. Any idea what is going in there?

Can't really say a lot, but it's gonna be a bar rather than a restaurant. It isn't expected to utilize the full space.

[kmiller5]

Can't really say a lot, but it's gonna be a bar rather than a restaurant. It isn't expected to utilize the full space.

Thanks for the info. That will make a whole lotta bars in that area. I was excited to see a new restaurant. Oh well.

[fourpalm]

Walked by TEP Headquarters yesterday, and they are indeed building out the first floor, which has been vacant since the building was completed. Sign in window says "Mian - open in February"

There were many doubter, many remember Mr. An pledging to move downtown to Congress years ago.

Great news!:cheers:

[crzyabe]

Walked by TEP Headquarters yesterday, and they are indeed building out the first floor, which has been vacant since the building was completed. Sign in window says "Mian - open in February"

75% of the space will be the new Asian restaurant. The other 25% will be an office furniture store.

[fourpalm]

Found this one the Armory Park website. The downtown clifton was written up in the New York Times. A little preliminary, but great use of a vacant lot close to downtown.


The owner of the Downtown Clifton Hotel, Moniqua Lane (an AP resident), informed our group of changes coming to this neighborhood boutique hotel. Coming soon on the lot just south of the current small hotel will be an addition bringing it up to 30 rooms. A small bar will serve hotel guests and neighbors as well as a small food counter (think Mercado at Menlo Park) and a swimming pool🙂. Some concern was expressed about vehicle access to Russell Avenue and possible resulting disturbance to nearby neighbors. The project is early in the permitting process so there will be further opportunities for people to express their concerns and for the developers to address them. Soon, I will do an article about the hotel and its owner. Both are assets to our community.

[Ted Lyons]

Found this one the Armory Park website. The downtown clifton was written up in the New York Times. A little preliminary, but great use of a vacant lot close to downtown.


The owner of the Downtown Clifton Hotel, Moniqua Lane (an AP resident), informed our group of changes coming to this neighborhood boutique hotel. Coming soon on the lot just south of the current small hotel will be an addition bringing it up to 30 rooms. A small bar will serve hotel guests and neighbors as well as a small food counter (think Mercado at Menlo Park) and a swimming pool🙂. Some concern was expressed about vehicle access to Russell Avenue and possible resulting disturbance to nearby neighbors. The project is early in the permitting process so there will be further opportunities for people to express their concerns and for the developers to address them. Soon, I will do an article about the hotel and its owner. Both are assets to our community.

Cool! As an aside, Moniqua is a really cool person. Anyway, there were some plans for townhouses/condos on that lot last year, but this would be a MUCH better use.

[farmerk]

According to local tv news last night, that there are plans to expand our street car and it will be funded by the business community instead of tax payers.

Don't have time to find a link of it. It's from one of our major local tv news.

Btw from several posts ago, IKEA in Tucson? Why not! Why wait? Tucson is growing anyways.

[Ted Lyons]

These are a few of the plans for the Downtown Clifton expansion. Many more renders on PRO.

http://i.imgur.com/9mHMmJS.png

http://i.imgur.com/nIAOHGC.png?1

[southtucsonboy77]

CopperRidge Healthcare Campus Planned at Shannon & Cortaro Farms in Tucson (https://realestatedaily-news.com/copperridge-healthcare-campus-planned-shannon-cortaro-farms-tucson/)

I had the privilege of reviewing this project...should turn out nice.

[aznate27]

According to local tv news last night, that there are plans to expand our street car and it will be funded by the business community instead of tax payers.

Don't have time to find a link of it. It's from one of our major local tv news.

Btw from several posts ago, IKEA in Tucson? Why not! Why wait? Tucson is growing anyways.

Here's the link...http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/33830177/town-hall-tackles-future-of-tucsons-streetcar

[OldPueblo$]

If it again costs $50 million per mile I don't see anyone let alone private biz paying for it. If it is extended where is the park and ride going to be? Lets be honest, you drive, park, and then take the street car.

[crzyabe]

If it again costs $50 million per mile I don't see anyone let alone private biz paying for it. If it is extended where is the park and ride going to be? Lets be honest, you drive, park, and then take the street car.

Now that the maintenance infrastructure is in place, the team, the payment system, etc - the cost will be significantly lower for expansion. I have heard that the estimate is $15 million a mile. That includes the track, additional cars, staff, stops, etc.

There are no plans for expansion at this time, only thoughts on how to incorporate more of the city into the line. East on Broadway, North on Campbell and South on Kino (possibly to the airport) make the most sense. What was mentioned at the panel was that we can’t expect another $200 million in public funding to be available for these expansions, we need to find other revenue sources. If we run the line down Broadway, can we get businesses to partner on the cost? If we run it to the airport, can TIA help with the cost, etc. There are no set plans, just opportunities that need more exploration.

[Thirsty]

Now that the maintenance infrastructure is in place, the team, the payment system, etc - the cost will be significantly lower for expansion. I have heard that the estimate is $15 million a mile. That includes the track, additional cars, staff, stops, etc.

There are no plans for expansion at this time, only thoughts on how to incorporate more of the city into the line. East on Broadway, North on Campbell and South on Kino (possibly to the airport) make the most sense. What was mentioned at the panel was that we can’t expect another $200 million in public funding to be available for these expansions, we need to find other revenue sources. If we run the line down Broadway, can we get businesses to partner on the cost? If we run it to the airport, can TIA help with the cost, etc. There are no set plans, just opportunities that need more exploration.

*light rail. dedicated lanes, limited stops. It's about nine miles from the Rialto to the Airport going down Kino. PHX's light rail stops about every half mile on dedicated lanes and still only averages 23 mph. That system would be a reasonable 20 min ride to/from TUS. The current bus takes 40.

I agree those are the obvious lines, but lets not take a trolley more than two or three miles from downtown.

I think a possible expansion of the "street car" type system in place would be 6th street. Starting downtown out to El Con. That's 4 miles, all but that mile or so through SH would be developable. Possible expansion down to Reid Park on the East or Pima West on the other end.

South on 6th Ave is a good proposal too, but I think higher density development would occur along 6th Street.

[Ted Lyons]

*light rail. dedicated lanes, limited stops. It's about nine miles from the Rialto to the Airport going down Kino. PHX's light rail stops about every half mile on dedicated lanes and still only averages 23 mph. That system would be a reasonable 20 min ride to/from TUS. The current bus takes 40.

I agree those are the obvious lines, but lets not take a trolley more than two or three miles from downtown.

I think a possible expansion of the "street car" type system in place would be 6th street. Starting downtown out to El Con. That's 4 miles, all but that mile or so through SH would be developable. Possible expansion down to Reid Park on the East or Pima West on the other end.

South on 6th Ave is a good proposal too, but I think higher density development would occur along 6th Street.

I know Steve Farley is a proponent the 6th Street corridor, but I honestly don't understand it. East of Campbell, it's effectively a dead zone: (1) residents of those neighborhoods are not the target demographic of public transit; (2) residents of those neighborhoods will fight increased public transit through their neighborhoods; (3) residents of those neighborhoods will fight redevelopment in those neighborhoods; (4) redevelopment in those neighborhoods would require rezoning, which would allow for enhanced input from those aforementioned residents. None of those issues exist along the Broadway corridor, which is being redeveloped as is.

[crzyabe]

$55 Million expansion proposed for the Kino SPorts Complex. Looking to be a Private/Public partnership

Pima County looking for private partners to help finance south-side sports facility (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/33917061/pima-county-looking-for-private-partners-to-help-finance-south-side-sports-facility)

[southtucsonboy77]

$55 Million expansion proposed for the Kino SPorts Complex. Looking to be a Private/Public partnership

Pima County looking for private partners to help finance south-side sports facility (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/33917061/pima-county-looking-for-private-partners-to-help-finance-south-side-sports-facility)

I don't know how many of you on this Thread have kids who play baseball or soccer...and have to travel to the different facilities throughout the Phx metro area, but this is a must for Tucson. I know we can argue about the details, but I'm just pointing out as a parent that facilities like this are needed. The Ft. Lowell Shootout...its embarrassing to see where teams are sent off to go play games throughout Pima County...middle school fields? The media here and the Shootout tournament get giggly and proud because of the one weekend Tucson hosts a soccer tournament. The fact is, these tournaments are held all the time in metro Phx. The hype is misleading. The lucky ones get to play on a field at Kino North.

Baseball...Kino and Randolph have worked out for smaller tournaments, but teams/families throughout S. AZ have to travel to Phx/CA for the bigger facilities...meaning available regulation fields. I hope this works out...even if its phased out. What needs to be emphasized is that large tournaments need multiple facilities...not one. If you have a U10 to U18 tournament...that's a minimum of 8-9 age groups. If each age group has a minimum of 10 teams, good tournaments have 16 to 20 teams for each age group, where are they gonna play? Not to mention the younger age groups have different skill levels...So the 4 baseball fields at Kino and the 3 at Randolph cannot host a large tournament.

[southtucsonboy77]

New 5K-Seat Soccer Stadium, Salt River-Pima Reservation (Phx/Scottsdale) (http://azbex.com/new-5k-seat-soccer-stadium/)

In line with the potential of a public/private partnership, this size and type of facility would be awesome for Tucson as FC Tucson continues to grow and look forward towards advancement as a "triple A" soccer team, maybe even as a MLS team. Too, this goes in line with the Streetcar extension talk...

[crzyabe]

New 5K-Seat Soccer Stadium, Salt River-Pima Reservation (Phx/Scottsdale) (http://azbex.com/new-5k-seat-soccer-stadium/)

In line with the potential of a public/private partnership, this size and type of facility would be awesome for Tucson as FC Tucson continues to grow and look forward towards advancement as a "triple A" soccer team, maybe even as a MLS team. Too, this goes in line with the Streetcar extension talk...

Connecting all of this to the streetcar would be a huge win if these plans move forward. Add in the Costco, theater, Dave and Busters, etc and you have added some additional, interesting destinations to the streetcar.

[Thirsty]

I know Steve Farley is a proponent the 6th Street corridor, but I honestly don't understand it. East of Campbell, it's effectively a dead zone: (1) residents of those neighborhoods are not the target demographic of public transit; (2) residents of those neighborhoods will fight increased public transit through their neighborhoods; (3) residents of those neighborhoods will fight redevelopment in those neighborhoods; (4) redevelopment in those neighborhoods would require rezoning, which would allow for enhanced input from those aforementioned residents. None of those issues exist along the Broadway corridor, which is being redeveloped as is.

Going east of Campbell (Sam Hughes) would be about linking to El Con and possibly Reid Park. But the important part is the other 3 miles of ready-for-density land.

The naysayers are right in that most people have to get in a car to utilize the new transit. I think the way to keep the snowball rolling is to develop an area where density makes transit the best option for the increasing number of people who live/work there and expand outward.

[Ted Lyons]

Going east of Campbell (Sam Hughes) would be about linking to El Con and possibly Reid Park. But the important part is the other 3 miles of ready-for-density land.

The naysayers are right in that most people have to get in a car to utilize the new transit. I think the way to keep the snowball rolling is to develop an area where density makes transit the best option for the increasing number of people who live/work there and expand outward.

By ready for density, are you referring to 6th west of Campbell? I suppose portions of that can be developed, but much of that land is owned by UA. A good portion of the rest falls within West University, which would subject it to enhanced design review. Broadway, on the other hand, will be completely open for redevelopment once the road work is done. Based on The Mark, developers are already realizing this. Rio Nuevo and the city are, too. Broadway also gets you to El Con and Park Mall, if desired.

[OldPueblo$]

Couldn't agree with you more. Tucson should focus on tourism; tourism of any kind. Satisfies all of the NIMBY's and anti-growth that pervades in this town. Get folks from out of town here to spend money and then leave. No reason Tucson can't be a mecca for youth baseball, football, soccer, swimming, etc. One of the few times I agree with spending tax payer money. Spend money to make money.

[Azstar]

Couldn't agree with you more. Tucson should focus on tourism; tourism of any kind. Satisfies all of the NIMBY's and anti-growth that pervades in this town. Get folks from out of town here to spend money and then leave. No reason Tucson can't be a mecca for youth baseball, football, soccer, swimming, etc. One of the few times I agree with spending tax payer money. Spend money to make money.

Tourism jobs are generally minimum wage, don't provide any benefits of any kind, and, in Tucson, are extremely seasonal. Those aren't the kind of jobs any city should be focusing on. Tourism should not be the ideal for economic growth, although the industry can be beneficial as a secondary or terciary one.

[OldPueblo$]

So Arizona grew and attracted folks here because of the quantity and quality of high paying jobs/industry? That, or the cotton and cattle. Tourism generates $3.4B in direct spending in Tucson and Southern AZ. Tourism is low hanging fruit for us. It could be the catalyst for other jobs. Puts us on the map. Draws people.

[kmiller5]

http://m.tucsonnewsnow.com/tusconnewsnow/db/330662/content/pKLoZevC

Bud Foster mentions that the financing is "set" for Ronstadt. Here's hoping!

[InTheBurbs]

And there's movement on the City Park development as well

Council signs off on $1.2 million tax incentive for downtown Tucson food hall (http://tucson.com/business/tucson/council-signs-off-on-million-tax-incentive-for-downtown-tucson/article_bb255737-d4ad-553e-8787-43e54f276bb2.html)

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/tucson.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/ba/3ba654c7-ae53-5c57-b916-facdb1a63fa2/57e5d35d99f16.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C622

[crzyabe]

I guess this news is a month old but I just saw it today. Old Tucson signed a three year deal to host an annual Off Road Grand Prix. Good for the area to have that kind of exposure.

Tucson to host annual off-road grand prix (http://www.kvoa.com/story/33636886/tucson-to-host-annual-off-road-grand-prix)

[NicosSuperfries]

I spend a lot of time in the downtown area on foot with my four-legged companion, Molly. Here are some things we have seen and heard regarding some smaller development happenings in the area. I'll start near my West University 'hood and work my way down.

-No Anchovies reopened after closing this summer for a complete remodel. For better or worse, it feels like a University Blvd. establishment. However, can confirm nothing about the pizza's deliciousness has changed.

-An open forum occurred on 12/6 with the West University association and the developers looking to build on the block on the SE corner of Uni/4th. I was hearing there were a few people hesitant to sign off on the block's historic status, but the majority of people that I've spoken to think the project will be good for the neighborhood. I've yet to hear what came of that meeting last week. Personally, I would love to see the proposed project come to fruition, assuming it is built as it was proposed.

-There has been pretty consistent daytime work on the restaurant project on the NE corner of Uni/4th. It is seemingly about 50% complete with most of the utility work being completed.

-The lot that will eventually be home to the boxcar cafeteria-style market already has some construction happening. It looks like they have prepared the lot to begin building.

-The AC Hotel looks to be tracking toward an on-time completion.

-I've been hearing a lot from various business owners that they are either looking or have heard of others looking to fill some of those vacant spots left by Proper and Pizzeria Bianco. I don't think those spots and the few at the Arizona Hotel will be vacant much longer. I'm also not counting The Miracle on Congress as a tenant.

-The Owl's Club is up and running and, in my opinion, an awesome fit for that building/area.

-The new bakery inside of the Mercado is also delicious.

Hope to highlight more of the smaller projects in the future. Again, I can't express how excited I am for all this development, big or small, happening all within walking distance. I'm also extremely grateful for this forum and you fellow Tucsonans! Cheers!

[Ted Lyons]

-No Anchovies reopened after closing this summer for a complete remodel. For better or worse, it feels like a University Blvd. establishment. However, can confirm nothing about the pizza's deliciousness has changed.

Only disappointment so far is no tots yet.

[crzyabe]

Tucson made National Geographic's Best Winter Trips 2017. The only destination on the list in the United States.

Tucson, Arizona: For the Food (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/best-winter-trips-2017/tucson-arizona-food-winter-trip/)

[kmiller5]

http://www.kvoa.com/story/34055706/new-hotel-might-go-up-near-the-tucson-convention-center

This has to be the arena lot, right? Hopefully them mentioning this means the planning is moving along.

[Ted Lyons]

http://www.kvoa.com/story/34055706/new-hotel-might-go-up-near-the-tucson-convention-center

This has to be the arena lot, right? Hopefully them mentioning this means the planning is moving along.

Good find. The RN agenda said the proposal was unsolicited, so could be something else. Other agenda items included discussion of agreements with the county to develop the parking lot on Broadway between Scott and 6th and a lot at Cushing and I-10. That parking lot on Broadway could be something great, so that's good news. Also, Peach wants to include the Gus Taylor Building in their renovation of the Chicago Store building, so they're asking RN for more money.

[southtucsonboy77]

http://www.kvoa.com/story/34055706/new-hotel-might-go-up-near-the-tucson-convention-center

This has to be the arena lot, right? Hopefully them mentioning this means the planning is moving along.

If I'm not mistaken, its the ol' Teresa Lee Clinic lot that's been graded.

I wonder what this will do to the Nor-Gen proposal...and I hope its not the basic I-10 model hotel/motel. A Drury should be the minimum brand with internal/hallway entrances, not the outdoor products. If I recall, Peach proposed a Drury on the arena lot.

[Tloc]

Bourn Companies are gonna be busy next year! Cant wait for City Park, been waiting a VERY long time.

http://tucson.com/business/tucson/tucson-investors-buy-foothills-mall-plan-major-renovation/article_c851d8f4-434d-5630-8ea2-b4697ded43b1.html

[Azstar]

Bourn Companies are gonna be busy next year! Cant wait for City Park, been waiting a VERY long time.

http://tucson.com/business/tucson/tucson-investors-buy-foothills-mall-plan-major-renovation/article_c851d8f4-434d-5630-8ea2-b4697ded43b1.html

So, Bourne Companies has funds to purchase a dying mall, but needed 2.5 million dollars from Rio Nuevo for it's 15 year delayed downtown project where the land was practically given to him by the city and demolished the existing buildings at no charge to him. This is one of the reasons that downtown Tucson is still, and probably always will be, tentative and struggling.

[Tloc]

YES Finally! Ive been waiting for this lot to be redeveloped in the heart of midtown. I'm secretly hoping for a Whole Foods, but I won't accept a Walmart neighborhood market sorry.

http://tucson.com/business/tucson/brokers-seek-to-bring-grocery-store-to-midtown-tucson/article_29aab279-84d0-5a16-abe9-6a838006d4bf.html

[Ted Lyons]

YES Finally! Ive been waiting for this lot to be redeveloped in the heart of midtown. I'm secretly hoping for a Whole Foods, but I won't accept a Walmart neighborhood market sorry.

http://tucson.com/business/tucson/brokers-seek-to-bring-grocery-store-to-midtown-tucson/article_29aab279-84d0-5a16-abe9-6a838006d4bf.html

My guess would be Fry's.

[southtucsonboy77]

YES Finally! Ive been waiting for this lot to be redeveloped in the heart of midtown. I'm secretly hoping for a Whole Foods, but I won't accept a Walmart neighborhood market sorry.

http://tucson.com/business/tucson/brokers-seek-to-bring-grocery-store-to-midtown-tucson/article_29aab279-84d0-5a16-abe9-6a838006d4bf.html

Careful...someone is gonna claim those structures are "historical".

[kmiller5]

http://tucson.com/business/tucson/jimmy-hula-s-is-out-the-garage-is-in/article_8108bc5a-ce03-11e6-84e3-93dc886d8ad2.html

The Garage

[Ted Lyons]

http://tucson.com/business/tucson/jimmy-hula-s-is-out-the-garage-is-in/article_8108bc5a-ce03-11e6-84e3-93dc886d8ad2.html

The Garage

Much better concept, IMO. The interior looks nice based on the one pic in the slideshow.

[InTheBurbs]

ADS: La Placita owner seeks tax break from city for redevelopment (http://tucson.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/la-placita-owner-seeks-tax-break-from-city-for-redevelopment/article_8db71926-bda8-58dc-9ba9-6b6cc731621a.html)

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/tucson.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/a8/3a8da086-6588-530f-a3e7-1d9261e10121/579bd2b7a2bb0.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C404

The owner of La Placita Village in downtown Tucson is asking the city of Tucson for a tax break to help redevelop the property.

Demolition on the brightly colored buildings is scheduled for April, the property's owner said.

City officials confirm HSL Properties recently applied for the city's Proposed Revision to Government Property Lease Excise Tax incentive, paying the $5,000 application fee.

Early plans call for a new six-story building with up to 230 apartments while still protecting three existing historic buildings in the iconic development at 110 S. Church Ave.

There are also plans to open some retail shops on the first floor, including plans for a restaurant and a coffee shop inside the project.

[kaneui]

If even half of the 18 projects proposed for 2017 break ground, downtown will be booming with new construction this year:


DOWNTOWN - PROJECTED CONSTRUCTION STARTS

Winter, 2016-17
Mercado San Agustín Annex ($5.3M)
City Park ($17M)

Spring, 2017
The Monier ($25M)
Cathedral Square redevelopment:
- Marist on Cathedral Square ($22M)
- Marist College ($3M)
- Diocesan Complex ($12M)
West End Station ($12M)
January 8 Memorial - El Presidio Park ($4M)
Seventh Avenue Commons ($14M)
Westerner/West Point Apartments

Summer, 2017
RendezVous Urban Flats (100U)
Menlo Park Rowhouses ($3.8M)
Arena Site project - mixed-use ($100+M)
Caterpillar Inc. - Division HQ ($50M)

Fall, 2017
Downtown Links - Phase III ($70M)
La Placita Village redevelopment ($22M)
West Abbey (Mission District)
Block 175 (mixed-use; 138U)


Downtown projects to be completed in 2017 include the AC Hotel by Marriott, the Downtown Motor Apartments and the Stone Avenue Homes condos.

[aznate27]

ADS: La Placita owner seeks tax break from city for redevelopment (http://tucson.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/la-placita-owner-seeks-tax-break-from-city-for-redevelopment/article_8db71926-bda8-58dc-9ba9-6b6cc731621a.html)

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/tucson.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/a8/3a8da086-6588-530f-a3e7-1d9261e10121/579bd2b7a2bb0.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C404

What a waste of space. That is one ugly rendering. :yuck:

[balugajames]

What a waste of space. That is one ugly rendering. :yuck:

Compared to similar developments around the country its not bad. Interesting roof line and integration of some older buildings.

Beggars can't be choosers. Also not sure how 230 units is a "waste of space". Gibsons market which I hear is barely breaking even at this point, plus other businesses in the downtown area, could use the increased foot traffic of the likely additional 300+ frequent patrons. The main thing downtown needs at this point is more people living there.

What do you think would be a better use for that corner?

Cheers!

[Azstar]

Beggars can't be choosers. Also not sure how 230 units is a "waste of space". Gibsons market which I hear is barely breaking even at this point, plus other businesses in the downtown area, could use the increased foot traffic of the likely additional 300+ frequent patrons. The main thing downtown needs at this point is more people living there.

What do you think would be a better use for that corner?

Cheers!

This is 100% on target. More people = more business.

[southtucsonboy77]

This is 100% on target. More people = more business.

Its not the use that is the problem, its the structure...its the non-urban/streetscape design. Look at the layout...its an apartment complex in the middle of downtown. Put an apartment building that looks good. "The Mark" on the other hand is more urban/streetscape appropriate and its proposed on a site 1/4 mile outside of downtown. If HSL proposed 230 shipping containers as units should we still praise it because its bringing more bodies to downtown? Better than nothing? Sure, its only a rendering, but its awful.

[chenley333]

Its not the use that is the problem, its the structure...its the non-urban/streetscape design. Look at the layout...its an apartment complex in the middle of downtown. Put an apartment building that looks good. "The Mark" on the other hand is more urban/streetscape appropriate and its proposed on a site 1/4 mile outside of downtown. If HSL proposed 230 shipping containers as units should we still praise it because its bringing more bodies to downtown? Better than nothing? Sure, its only a rendering, but its awful.

I agree that the rendering seems pretty vague at this point - and what's up with the pasted-in picture of cars? I think the make or break part is what does it look like and what are the uses on the ground floor, how does it present itself to the street/pedestrians. I think the mention of at least some retail is new from when this first surfaced.

[bleunick]

I agree that the rendering seems pretty vague at this point - and what's up with the pasted-in picture of cars? I think the make or break part is what does it look like and what are the uses on the ground floor, how does it present itself to the street/pedestrians. I think the mention of at least some retail is new from when this first surfaced.

The only "retail" associated with this project will be going in the existing historic Stables and Samaniego house (likely small restaurants). There is absolutely no street level activation of the site whatsoever... Why they can't squeeze in any real retail is beyond me :shrug:

[crzyabe]

Something to remember when we beat early renderings to death.

https://scontent.fgcj1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15578790_1310209599043408_6307730468030934610_n.jpg?oh=6c82ab24ec2ffdf7b9663166eefbdf1a&oe=58DEF7B9

[T'Town]

What are the chances the Arena Site gets and Arena built on it? I know this idea was squashed years ago and wasn't a part of the Norgen proposal but its odd there is still a posting for it published last month on a paid construction website. Here is the posting for what they call a multipurpose arena/event center.

11,000 fixed seats for ice hockey with the capability of expanding to 12,500 total seats for concerts and other events through use of portable seating; .. 25,000 square foot arena floor capable of accommodating an ice sheet compatible for minor league hockey; .. 3,000 to 3,500 square feet of sub-dividable meeting space (8 to 10 rooms); .. 3,700 to 4,200 parking spaces within walking distance, including the existing parking that is available at the TCC complex; .. 20 private suites; .. 25 loge boxes; .. 500 club seats; and, .. total arena square footage of approximately 300,000 square feet.

Anyone know if Norgen is considering teaming up with the city to build an Arena? This is specifically talking of minor league hockey which hasn't been in Tucson for more than 4 months. Could there be an Arena announcement coming? Could the proposed Norgen gem and mineral hall be changed to an Arena and the TCC be used as Norgen's gem & mineral show hall?

There could be something going on here or my imagination has the best of me.

[farmerk]

What a waste of space. That is one ugly rendering. :yuck:

I agree. This building belong at 22nd St. not downtown.

It's short for that location. My good guess it will end up the typical 3 floor 'skyscraper' cookie cutter strip mall 'luxury' apartment that most Tucsonans embrace (including some posters in this thread) :shrug:

[Ted Lyons]

What are the chances the Arena Site gets and Arena built on it? I know this idea was squashed years ago and wasn't a part of the Norgen proposal but its odd there is still a posting for it published last month on a paid construction website. Here is the posting for what they call a multipurpose arena/event center.

11,000 fixed seats for ice hockey with the capability of expanding to 12,500 total seats for concerts and other events through use of portable seating; .. 25,000 square foot arena floor capable of accommodating an ice sheet compatible for minor league hockey; .. 3,000 to 3,500 square feet of sub-dividable meeting space (8 to 10 rooms); .. 3,700 to 4,200 parking spaces within walking distance, including the existing parking that is available at the TCC complex; .. 20 private suites; .. 25 loge boxes; .. 500 club seats; and, .. total arena square footage of approximately 300,000 square feet.

Anyone know if Norgen is considering teaming up with the city to build an Arena? This is specifically talking of minor league hockey which hasn't been in Tucson for more than 4 months. Could there be an Arena announcement coming? Could the proposed Norgen gem and mineral hall be changed to an Arena and the TCC be used as Norgen's gem & mineral show hall?

There could be something going on here or my imagination has the best of me.

The mention of minor league hockey is definitely intriguing.

[balugajames]

I agree. This building belong at 22nd St. not downtown.

It's short for that location. My good guess it will end up the typical 3 floor 'skyscraper' cookie cutter strip mall 'luxury' apartment that most Tucsonans embrace (including some posters in this thread) :shrug:

I understand, we all want towers, especially since they are never built anymore except in tier 1 and 2 cities. I hear the same things on the Denver forums.

As a Tucson native who currently resides in Denver I can say it took about 50 of those scale buildings downtown before we got one new tower, so you may want to check your expectations or I am afraid you will be continually disappointed. Overall I think its a great infill and given it doesn't have street level parking, it is perfectly urban and in line with the downtown area of Tucson with its mass. Not every residential unit needs retail, and I mean it will have a coffee shop/restaurant to boot. You should be glad this is not at 22nd since we need the concentrated development to get a tower and keep downtown thriving. This includes the utilization of the vacant/underutilized parcels such as La Placita.

The only reason we have the towers that exist now is because in the 60s and 70s downtown was still largely built out with no vacant land and highly populated with housing and retail uses. None of the ghastly parking lots you see today existed, they were created as apart of the ideas of urban renewal spreading across the nation which dictated destroy and rebuild. Sad honestly. Denver, leveled some 20 full square city blocks of old architecture in the name of renewal and they are only now being infilled.

Tucson saw a similar fate that started in the 60s: 1960s Urban-Renewal-and-Barrio-Destruction (http://www.zocalomagazine.com/the-1960s-urban-renewal-and-barrio-destruction/).

Tucson 1940-50s:
http://www.zocalomagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Barrio-circa-1940s-AHS.jpg
http://www.abovetucson.com/site-art/1945-page2-3-large.jpg
Source: Above Tucson Then and Now (http://www.abovetucson.com/pages/01.htm)

I realize you have probably seen all these, but still always fun to look back. Funny thing was, once they destroyed everything, no one wanted to be down there anymore, not to mention the car and Jetsons attitude was dominate! Thank god that mindset is waning.

Same thing with the Denver Urban Renwal: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=207698

Before:
http://content.screencast.com/users/JamesSE/folders/Jing/media/9497ac21-3985-410f-b7c6-71057b4b278e/2017-01-05_1034.png

After:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5444/10046233206_5777dbeaab_b.jpg

You may want to take a hint from Chuy's. "If our food (scale) doesn't meet your expectations, lower them."

Either way I understand the disappointment but hopeful you can see the promise. I certainly am happy to see downtown lively again more than anything!
It's gone a long way since the decay of the 80s and 90s. Don't worry though, I see a bright tower in its future, but we may need to see 20 or so more of these scale developments first though!

Cheers!

[OldPueblo$]

Good luck financing that.

[farmerk]

I understand, we all want towers, especially since they are never built anymore except in tier 1 and 2 cities. I hear the same things on the Denver forums.

...

Cheers!

Thanks for your reply and that valuable information.

What some naysayers and I are saying about this complex, was that this piece is sitting on probably the most valuable property in downtown Tucson. And a sleazebag developer will likely build (or not) a three floor cookie cutter strip mall 'luxury' apartment complex.

I wouldn't have any problem if someone build a pleasant looking 2 or even 1 floor building at that spot.

Let me add, about a mile from that spot and right by the U of Arizona sits several (and more) 10 plus floor buildings - away from downtown.

Hey, if you think it's ok to build that crap at that spot, I'll respect your opinion.

Cheers!

This would look great at that spot .
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kaneui/MonierBrickyardsketches.jpg

[kmiller5]

The Auld Dubliner has closed. It will be interesting to see what goes in there!

http://tucson.com/thisistucson/eat/ua-hangout-auld-dubliner-closes-after-years/article_497d7156-d6b2-11e6-9062-9fdd776d1f37.html

[Ted Lyons]

The Auld Dubliner has closed. It will be interesting to see what goes in there!

http://tucson.com/thisistucson/eat/ua-hangout-auld-dubliner-closes-after-years/article_497d7156-d6b2-11e6-9062-9fdd776d1f37.html

They seemed busy to me, although I haven't been in years.

[southtucsonboy77]

New mid-rise apartment building coming to downtown Tucson (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/34220625/new-mid-rise-apartment-building-coming-to-downtown-tucson)

Too bad they didn't stick to the original footprint. Which brings to mind comments about "towers", "skyscrapers", "mid-rise"...Each parcel(s) has its circumstance, size, location, opportunity. The 6-7 story "buildings", not mid-rises, are appropriate in my opinion for the two parking lots at the corners of Stone and Broadway. I would have liked to see taller, but the risk, timing and size of the lots made the 6-7 stories a success. However, these future loooong 5-6 story buildings...come on. Just because some of us don't always fall under the "something is better than nothing" category...or "any infill is good infill" team does not make that person a "tower"-only guy. For myself, I take each development on a project by project basis.

The 3 large horizontal apartment complexes will be architectural disasters. They are not mid-rises, they are not towers, they are taller than usual apartment complexes. A Design Review Committee should comment, condition, break-up, or stop the redundant facades, architecture, texture, patterns, etc. What's sad is that its typically the local developers building/proposing this stuff. Outside developers seem to have a better vision on larger scale projects. Again, the Main Square developments have been extraordinary. The "Sol" and "Luna" had the same owners, but built at close-to-maximum height into 2 buildings. If this was downtown by a local developer, it would have been ONE complex at 5-6 stories.

[Azstar]

We all want architectural masterpieces in downtown Tucson, but we have to be realistic. This is a very fragile market, and there are not dozens of out-of-state developers lined up to invest in what, potentially, could be very risky .

My argument regarding this latest proposal, the "Rendezvous" is that it will destroy a perfectly good, although small, urban green area. This is a situation where going taller to preserve that green space would be a better option, IMO.

[Obadno]

We all want architectural masterpieces in downtown Tucson, but we have to be realistic. This is a very fragile market, and there are not dozens of out-of-state developers lined up to invest in what, potentially, could be very risky .

My argument regarding this latest proposal, the "Rendezvous" is that it will destroy a perfectly good, although small, urban green area. This is a situation where going taller to preserve that green space would be a better option, IMO.

We have the same problem in Phoenix. Everyone wants new Class A highrise office buildings but the Downtowns just aren't hot enough to attract that kind of demand.

Keep building these mid-rise apartments and once the population creates a desirable area with restaurants and activity office development will come. that's what happened in Tempe, Scottsdale, etc.

Why would a company build a vastly more expensive vertical suburban office park in a dead downtown when they could build a cheaper office park a few miles away.

There needs to be a reason to build downtown, once the population Is there, the offices will follow.

[chenley333]

Early renderings of The Mark at Park & Broadway.

http://www.rinconheights.org/the-mark-development-park--broadway.html

[southtucsonboy77]

Early renderings of The Mark at Park & Broadway.

http://www.rinconheights.org/the-mark-development-park--broadway.html

I'm really impressed with that development. A case-in-point of how/where a long horizontal structure is appropriate on the fringes of and not IN downtown.

[Ted Lyons]

Early renderings of The Mark at Park & Broadway.

http://www.rinconheights.org/the-mark-development-park--broadway.html

Good find. I'm hoping they get talked into some more variation on the roofline of the Broadway-facing portion. It's a little bland as is.

[farmerk]

Feds pick preferred route for possible Tucson-Phoenix passenger railway (http://tucson.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/feds-pick-preferred-route-for-possible-tucson-phoenix-passenger-railway/article_05433289-614f-5df2-9a14-6742f5ac95a1.html)

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/tucson.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/0b/30b01683-5dd8-55cb-aeeb-d8428d20c071/5875a24e3c994.image.jpg?resize=300%2C345

More apartments coming downtown (http://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/more-apartments-coming-downtown)

"....Broker Crystal McGuire-Moore says the complex opened in November with 40 units to lease and the downtown market's so hot there are only 10 units left"

[southtucsonboy77]

Houghton Town Center Expands Footprint, Breaks Ground on 56K SF New Retail (https://realestatedaily-news.com/houghton-town-center-expands-footprint-breaks-ground-56k-sf-new-retail/)

The same 3 stores will be opening soon in Marana at the AZ Pavilions.

Good retail growth.

[southtucsonboy77]

Not sure if its a good or bad thing, but through the Open Houses I heard that the developers for the Ronstadt project are looking at adding a 3rd plaza on the corner of 6th and Congress and adjusting the footprints of the structures.

[aznate27]

Good find. I'm hoping they get talked into some more variation on the roofline of the Broadway-facing portion. It's a little bland as is.

I totally agree, too flat. And if you're going to make such a flat roof there should be green space added. From the looks of it a cool space with trees and a view would be nice.

[southtucsonboy77]

Supervisors approve Community Facilities District for Rocking K South, first of its kind for Pima County, Ground Breaking Planned for 2018 (https://realestatedaily-news.com/rocking-k-south-mpc-gets-pima-county-approval-cfd-financing/)

[kmiller5]

https://www.google.com/amp/tucson.com/business/tucson/big-box-stores-entering-tucson-market-as-housing-job-pictures/article_b4867e53-d2d0-5d93-ac41-d665cbb80340.amp.html?client=safari

"One large furniture retailer is expected to enter the Tucson market this year, but specifics have not been made public"

May not be likely but an IKEA would be awesome

[Thirsty]

American Airlines may collect $1Million from Tucson Chamber for the new JFK flight under performing, cut back to seasonal.

Arizona Daily Star - Tucson airport marks big 2016 but nonstop New York service falls short (http://tucson.com/business/tucson/tucson-airport-marks-big-but-nonstop-new-york-service-falls/article_d337d4ba-6f9f-5973-b6a0-f23e1c96dc69.html)

[ProfessorMole]

https://www.google.com/amp/tucson.com/business/tucson/big-box-stores-entering-tucson-market-as-housing-job-pictures/article_b4867e53-d2d0-5d93-ac41-d665cbb80340.amp.html?client=safari

"One large furniture retailer is expected to enter the Tucson market this year, but specifics have not been made public"

May not be likely but an IKEA would be awesome


Agreed that an IKEA would be sweet, but probably an American Furniture Warehouse or similar.

[southtucsonboy77]

American Airlines may collect $1Million from Tucson Chamber for the new JFK flight under performing, cut back to seasonal.

Arizona Daily Star - Tucson airport marks big 2016 but nonstop New York service falls short (http://tucson.com/business/tucson/tucson-airport-marks-big-but-nonstop-new-york-service-falls/article_d337d4ba-6f9f-5973-b6a0-f23e1c96dc69.html)

Our family of 5 are taking a trip to NYC this summer...looking at tix last month, for 5 passengers it is cheaper to fly from Phx considering one vehicle to drive. If it was just one or 2 of us...considering the gas and mileage, it would be about the same to fly out of Tucson. But the higher costs round trip to/from Tucson adds up with 5...totaling to over $200 more.

[Thirsty]

Our family of 5 are taking a trip to NYC this summer...looking at tix last month, for 5 passengers it is cheaper to fly from Phx considering one vehicle to drive. If it was just one or 2 of us...considering the gas and mileage, it would be about the same to fly out of Tucson. But the higher costs round trip to/from Tucson adds up with 5...totaling to over $200 more.

The article states flights with a layover are cheaper, but that isn't what I found just searching Google flights.

Anyway while I was there I priced PHX and TUS and there were a number of days this month that TUS to JFK was as cheap or cheaper than PHX ($150 each way). When you go 4 or 5 months out though, PHX holds steady while TUS really jumps up.

BTW, check the price of flying from TUS and connecting in PHX vs just flying from PHX. Sometimes it's only another $10 or so... other times it just about doubles the price of the trip. I don't understand why catching that connection to TUS varies so widely, but it can be ludicrously inexpensive.

[InTheBurbs]

Downtown Tucson getting new Even Stevens sandwich shop (http://tucson.com/thisistucson/eat/downtown-tucson-getting-new-even-stevens-sandwich-shop/article_181389b2-e273-11e6-b118-d3c2a4ce66d7.html)

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/tucson.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/20/c209b644-e273-11e6-ac0a-e77679cd35fc/5887ba6b11e38.image.jpg?resize=1000%2C800
Photo: Andi Berlin


The Utah sandwich chain Even Stevens is opening its first store in Tucson, inside the historic The Julian Drew building downtown.

Workers are currently renovating two storefronts on the western side of the 100-year-old building at 178 and 180 E. Broadway.

For every sandwich sold, they donate another sandwich to nonprofit organizations in the area. Last week the chain announced it donated its millionth sandwich.

The chain, which originated in Salt Lake City in 2014, is quickly moving into Arizona. Over the last few months it's opened shops in Phoenix, Gilbert and also Tempe.