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[BStyles]

They're finally preparing the entire street level slab of Tower 4! This tower is making record time on construction!:notacrook:

[NYC4Life]

This tower will be completed even before the memorial is, or close to.

[uaarkson]

This tower will be completed even before the memorial is, or close to.

I doubt that. The memorial is almost complete structurally, this tower still has 975 ft to go...

[37TimPPG]

They're finally preparing the entire street level slab of Tower 4! This tower is making record time on construction!:notacrook:

Silverstein definitely knows what he is doing, that's for sure!:notacrook:

[Zapatan]

Reaching street level eh? awesome!


I seriously think this is one of the most underestimated buildings in the country, It may be significantly shorter than 1 WTC but this building is absolutely HUGE, in floor plate I mean, and it's 975 feet tall, which is quite large too. This thing will be a giant for sure.

[NYguy]

Quick update:

http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/world_trade_center_tower_76774.aspx

*The following information was last updated on September 10, 2009.

-Foundation work including steel and concrete installation; substructure to grade by mid-October 2009

-Tower crane was installed in early March 2009; second (mobile) crane to be used starting in September 2009

-Overnight utility work on Liberty Street is ongoing through fall 2009

-Vehicular Security Center construction in tower substructure

[NYC4Life]

I doubt that. The memorial is almost complete structurally, this tower still has 975 ft to go...

The memorial is scheduled to be completed, or be partially completed by the 10th anniversary of the attacks in 2011. This tower should be close to completion by that date.

[NYguy]

This tower should be close to completion by that date.

Silverstein has mentioned 2014 for this tower to be complete. But look at the BofA tower, that's not scheduled to be "completed" until sometime next year.

[NYguy]

From wtc.com (Sep 9)

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[NewYorker2009]

According to Construction Workers at Tower 4 it should top-out in Summer-2011 so that isn't too far away.

[BStyles]

Well to me, when a tower has topped out and the cladding is somewhat done(like at Goldman Sachs), Then it's pretty much 'completed' in my book.

Why is it so dark on the lower levels? Aren't there construction lights or something?

[NYguy]

Well to me, when a tower has topped out and the cladding is somewhat done(like at Goldman Sachs), Then it's pretty much 'completed' in my book.

When a skyscraper tops out on a skyline, for practical purposes such as that it's done. For example, the Freedom Tower won't be completed until 2013, but we should see at op out there sometime in 2011 as well. It won' be completed, but there would be dominance back on the lower Manhattan skyline.

[NYguy]

SEPTEMBER 21, 2009

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[NYguy]

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[Dac150]

Walked by the site just yesterday, and yeah, as stated above unless you have stilts handy there is not much to see on street level due to the barrier. However you can hear a lot of activity.

[iamtal]

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Great picture, but it seems to be from the beginning of the month.

(The pictures at WTC.com from 9/9 show more progress).

[Renton]

Didn't realize how far along this building was. That last shot, which I presume is from wtc 7, I wish that pic went further left to see the work on the Path station..

[JSsocal]

It's not much, they're still excavating there.

[NYguy]

It's not much, they're still excavating there.

That's it in the bottom left of that last pic, though the actual station is on the bottom right.

This tower is due to start rising above street level soon.

[vandelay]

Since there is a plaza between Tower 4 and Tower 3 where Cortland street ends, you can clearly make out the trapezoidal footprint of the future tower in that overhead picture. They also seemed to have demarcated the northern edge.

[NYguy]

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[meh_cd]

According to a member at WNY, the concrete contractor has been told not to proceed above street level at this time. I pray it will continue like Beekman did but I can't help but imagine the opposite.

[NYguy]

I pray it will continue like Beekman did but I can't help but imagine the opposite.

I wouldn't worry so much..

[BStyles]

I think that they were referring to the concrete core, which the forms were waiting for the sublevels to catch up. Probably for steel cage, or structural steel, which I have not seen so far.

The tower's been funded, so it shouldn't see any delays besides weather.

[New Skyline]

According to a member at WNY, the concrete contractor has been told not to proceed above street level at this time. I pray it will continue like Beekman did but I can't help but imagine the opposite.

Damn it! That Sucks!

Just when we were about to start seeing this baby rising skywards.

Some more issues, just what we need...:slob:

[Duffstuff129]

Damn it! That Sucks!

Just when we were about to start seeing this baby rising skywards.

Some more issues, just what we need...:slob:

The tower is fully financed and Larry Silverstein is hell bent on finishing everything.

Don't be silly.

[meh_cd]

The story has been corroborated by a second member at WNY who is involved at the site. It's going to stay at ground level for the time being.

[pattali]

on RGZ cam , a mobile crane operate at WTC4 NE corner, maybe a second tower crane ?

[Puzzlecraft]

There are concrete trucks at WTC 4 today, there is a pour going on at the east side. So the problem regarding concrete has been resolved???

[CHAPINM1]

There are concrete trucks at WTC 4 today, there is a pour going on at the east side. So the problem regarding concrete has been resolved???

That or their never was a problem in the first place and that more horseshit rumors have been making their rounds. I checked the webcam and I also saw more progress as well.

[Puzzlecraft]

In re-reading the previous mentions about the concrete situation, the poster said that the concrete issue involves not going past ground level; the current pour is at ground level, so the issue remains unresolved.

[meh_cd]

Just an aside - I'm not the guy with connections. There are several at WNY who have proven connections/are working on the site. Check the thread there yourself if you have doubts.

[NYguy]

That or their never was a problem in the first place and that more horseshit rumors have been making their rounds. I checked the webcam and I also saw more progress as well.

What you do is wait and see with regard to "rumors". It could well be the case, or it could just be more talk. The bottom line is, as long as they are still working on the tower, nobody should get their panties in a bunch.

[NYguy]

OCTOBER 2, 2009

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[New Skyline]

:previous: Nice update, proceeding well.

First offical photo's of the Tower above street level.

[NYguy]

First offical photo's of the Tower above street level.

Not just yet...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117854558/large.jpg


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[NYC4Life]

All of those hard hats at work, must have been very busy at the site.

[Puzzlecraft]

The NYC Department of Transportation maintains some real time cameras. They have one at the corner of Vesey and Church st., looking south along Church. The image is very lowrez. The crane associated with WTC4 is visible and maybe some more details will become visible under different lighting conditions.

http://nyctmc.org/xmanhattan.asp

Look for Church Street @ Vesey and click on it.

Let's all not keep the video up less we blow out their server.

[NYguy]

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[NYguy]

From wtc.com (Oct 1)

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[iamtal]

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[NYguy]

Another pic from wtc.com....note the absence of any activity at the T3 site

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[meh_cd]

From: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/realestate/commercial/11sqft.html?_r=1


Q. What’s the problem?
A. You have a bureaucracy at the Port, and their mind-set is different from private enterprise. Anytime there’s a delay, they just change the schedule; anytime there’s an increase in costs, they increase the budget. As a private entrepreneur, I can’t function that way. We should have been much farther along.
Tower 4 is already at street level. Unfortunately, at the present pace of construction our building will be finished two years before the infrastructure is in place, the infrastructure that the Port’s obligated to do. So by virtue of that, we’re going to have to stop.


The full article is even better. Hopefully the arbitration works out for the best.

[Dac150]

There really is no point in building this tower right now if the infrastructure work will not be in place to accommodate it upon completion. With that said the PA needs to get their act together in developing in full the infrastructure work that they are obligated to put in place.

As much as I want to see all of this completed, it needs to be done so in the right fashion.

[Dac150]

And yes, hopefully the arbitration case will work in his favor. With that kind of capital locked in will mean a whole new ballgame in the development of the remainder of the site.

[NYguy]

Tower 4 is already at street level. Unfortunately, at the present pace of construction our building will be finished two years before the infrastructure is in place, the infrastructure that the Port’s obligated to do. So by virtue of that, we’re going to have to stop.

The PA are going to have to get that infrastructure in place whether the towers get built or not. They say they are doing just that, but we'll see. In the meantime, Silverstein is just taking his stance for the arbitration. He has a pretty good chance of winning his case becuase the PA has been the cause of several delays, which is why he won the first arbitration. Being that this tower would also serve as a PA headquarters, you would think both parties would want to expedite the matter.


Here's a shot from about a month ago...


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[New Skyline]

The tower is fully financed and Larry Silverstein is hell bent on finishing everything.

Don't be silly.

I didn't meant the financing part thing.., but the problems with the infrastructure, which has to be solved first, before the superstructure will resume / continue?

So if that's true, meh cd was right.

(+ see NY Guy's latest post on 10 - 11 4WTC)

[NYguy]

A little action from earlier today (Oct 16)...

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[iamtal]

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According to this image, the core is already above ground level :-)

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[Zapatan]

^I don't think so, i'm pretty sure that's just the crane, they haven't had permission to go above street level yet, or at least not significantly, which is a real shame, this building has been on hold for a while now, i'm sure it'll end up getting built but it might take years, let's see how larry does in court, hopefully he wins.


I really like this building, I say that because I hear a lot of complaints about it being just a box, but i think it's one of the sleekest sexiest boxes i've ever seen, i mean the original WTC were boxes, so is sears to some extent, lots of great buildings are.

best of luck tower 4

[Zapatan]

Also, who said this tower was 975 feet tall?

all official sites say its 947 feet tall, also the renderings make it look about 945 aswell, even though it's only 30 feet in difference you can still tell. I wish it were 975 feet but it doesn't look it.

[JSsocal]

Tower 4 has actually had a height increase, from 947' to 975'. I forget the reasoning, though I remember wishing they had added it to another tower.

[iamtal]

^I don't think so, i'm pretty sure that's just the crane, they haven't had permission to go above street level yet, or at least not significantly, which is a real shame, this building has been on hold for a while now, i'm sure it'll end up getting built but it might take years, let's see how larry does in court, hopefully he wins.


I really like this building, I say that because I hear a lot of complaints about it being just a box, but i think it's one of the sleekest sexiest boxes i've ever seen, i mean the original WTC were boxes, so is sears to some extent, lots of great buildings are.

best of luck tower 4

Yes it is, please look on this picture, originally by GreenwichBoy. (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=301422&postcount=493)
You can see that there is at least one wall above ground level (marked with red arrow)

http://i37.tinypic.com/v3m1qa.png

:cheers:

[JSsocal]

looks more like a core form...
but close enough

[NYguy]

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[BStyles]

They're pouring concrete for Cortlandt Way this morning. Hopefully that means that the entire site will be paved over to street level in this year.

[CHAPINM1]

Over at Skyscrapercity, someone posted an areal view of the site from today, it appears that there was a major pour at 4WTC finally!!!

[NYC4Life]

Here is that photo, webcam shot:

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg?refresh=60&altText=Groud+Zero+Webcam+-+Rebuild+Ground+Zero+.org&camImgY=768&camImgX=960&imageurl=http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

[chex]

but all the site looks litten up, except for tower 4, am i wrong?

[uaarkson]

just an FYI, the image posted above is a direct link to the RBGZ earthcam, so the it will look different depending on the time of day

[NYguy]

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[iamtal]

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[Lecom]

That one wall is above street level. Yay!

[NYguy]

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Like watching ants and work.

[NYguy]

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_340/constructionprogress.html

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[RoldanTTLB]

Here's one from today. It's sort of the ground floor they are working on right now. On the east side it is street level, on the west side, it is one story up...

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Sus8Wef9yKI/AAAAAAAADmU/8BBeqlQHvRs/s800/DSC02361.JPG

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

when will they start building the floors out?

[RoldanTTLB]

when will they start building the floors out?

My understanding is that one of the last pours for the "ground floor" was today. I have to assume the core is going to go up a level (it's certainly framed to) before the first floor starts going up. Beyond that, not sure. It won't be terribly long now if they are actually going to start building this and not divert resources to the subfloors of the other towers.

[Wheelingman04]

That bastard is going up quick. I love it. It will be as tall as the Comcast Tower in Philly. That is great. Hopefully it shows in the skyline well.

[evanmack]

You should see west midtown it is all going to be shards of glass, all of which look like this one. One glass box would balance out the design of WTC. Another great structure would od it

[RoldanTTLB]

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[uaarkson]

Is that blue steel I see for 4WTC?

[uakoops]

Is that blue steel I see for 4WTC?

The blue structure is a climbing form for the core. I'm not sure why they are using it only in that one section.

[10023]

I predict that the Japanese penchant for extreme quality in the details will produce what might well turn out to be, artistically, the most admirable tower in the entire WTC.

Only if they're planning to ship the steel and materials from Japan, along with the construction workers, but I don't think you'd get that past the union.

An American construction crew cannot replicate the work that they'd do in Japan.

[uaarkson]

Only if they're planning to ship the steel and materials from Japan, along with the construction workers, but I don't think you'd get that past the union.

An American construction crew cannot replicate the work that they'd do in Japan.

You just quoted a post from 2007.

[CoolCzech]

Only if they're planning to ship the steel and materials from Japan, along with the construction workers, but I don't think you'd get that past the union.

An American construction crew cannot replicate the work that they'd do in Japan.

Well, I hope the Americans prove you wrong...

[NYguy]

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[larry141094]

This one is coming along FAST! rise baby rise! hey any of you know when it will overtake 1 WTC?

[NYguy]

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[RoldanTTLB]

This one is coming along FAST! rise baby rise! hey any of you know when it will overtake 1 WTC?

It may not. Once 1 WTC reaches the regular floors, it will rise at the same speed as this tower. Seeing as 1 WTC only has 4 layers of irregular floors, and they're getting started on the second layer now, this tower would somehow need to build out the first dozen stories or so quicker. It may not happen because this building has a different base than the tower as well. We'll see. If it is going to happen, it will be in a few months.

[NYguy]

NOVEMBER 8, 2009

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[NYguy]

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[sask1982]

I am really looking fwd to seeing the b4 and after pics from 9/11/09 to 9/11/10. It will prob be the most dramatic change since construction has started on site. The pace seems to be picking up!

[westmc9th]

i looked at the earth cam i swear i seen a piece of big steel i am praying maybe they are starting on this booger

[BStyles]

Not only that, there's a new red and white Crawler Crane backing onto the steel above the PATH's concourse level. I don't know if it's for the South Pool or Tower 4, because they said that a second crane would be arriving around this time at Silverstein Properties.

[J.M.]

How's the floor construction going to work? Week by week like One World Trade Center?

[Duffstuff129]

It almost seems unreal to me that things are happening here. For so long it was a pit, and now, it is rising. I'm not sure exactly how to explain myself...

It will be so strange to see the one of the tallest building in the city rise. I never got to see that in my lifetime, tall buildings just always seemed to be there. I just imagine this incredible sight of a new powerhouse arising on the skyline, with panes of glass being lifted into place, as steel rises, and men work like ants all around, a shell of activity, until one day, the structure is complete. It's incredible to think that here, there will some day be serenity, at last, after years of constant movement, which glows at night and shines in the day, a testament to human achievement.

And 1 WTC will be even better! :yes:

[canadate]

It almost seems unreal to me that things are happening here. For so long it was a pit, and now, it is rising. I'm not sure exactly how to explain myself...

It will be so strange to see the one of the tallest building in the city rise. I never got to see that in my lifetime, tall buildings just always seemed to be there. I just imagine this incredible sight of a new powerhouse arising on the skyline, with panes of glass being lifted into place, as steel rises, and men work like ants all around, a shell of activity, until one day, the structure is complete. It's incredible to think that here, there will some day be serenity, at last, after years of constant movement, which glows at night and shines in the day, a testament to human achievement.

And 1 WTC will be even better! :yes:

I'm sorry everyone..I know this isn't facebook but.. "canadate likes this post" :tup: hahaha..I just had to. Stopped by the site today though things are looking great as usual..I feel like this tower is getting pretty tall..maybe it's just me

[NYguy]

It almost seems unreal to me that things are happening here. For so long it was a pit, and now, it is rising. I'm not sure exactly how to explain myself...

It will be so strange to see the one of the tallest building in the city rise. I never got to see that in my lifetime, tall buildings just always seemed to be there.

Yeah, tall buildings just always seemed to be there. But now, we are starting to see so many skyline altering towers under construction and taking shape. Gone will be the image of the old skyline from the last century, the new New York is taking shape right before our eyes.

[New Skyline]

But now, we are starting to see so many skyline altering towers under construction and taking shape. Gone will be the image of the old skyline from the last century, the new New York is taking shape right before our eyes.

As for the WTC:

Are you sure? I'd say only for Tower One now, But nothing much happened / happening on Tower 4 lately, or am I wrong?

Looks like Tower 4 is slightly On - Hold or Something.

[Duffstuff129]

As for the WTC:

Are you sure? I'd say only for Tower One now, But nothing much happened / happening on Tower 4 lately, or am I wrong?

Looks like Tower 4 is slightly On - Hold or Something.

I think I've metioned this before, but my uncle is currently working on this project (yes, he's right down there in the pit bending rebar) and according to him, everything is going ahead as projected. There is nothing to worry about.

[NYguy]

Wonder if they'lll get a "Subway" like the Freedom Tower. These guys could do the commercial...(Five dollar, footlong...)

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[pattali]

From www.wtc.com Joe Woolhead credit

http://www.wtc.com/uploads/images/712x534/14_61_2009_11_15-T4-Overview_web.jpg

[chex]

why is it taking so long to rise from street level?

[uaarkson]

Try reading a few pages of the thread.

[chex]

sorry about my desperate post! it's just that there are so many threads to read and watch, and constantly get onto the preferred ones, and watch the things are going slowly, or seeing it almost looking the same for some time, get on my nerves, i just want to watch it rising fast, like i guess everybody wants to... ok, i've already read some pages back... so the thing is now between PA and Silverstain... well, hope this gets solved quickly now, and to second that great duffstuff's post, it will be our time to watch this great building and the others around, that will make some part of history stayed in our memories, for us as fans watching pictures, as for local new yorkers to watch new giants making shadows, making more cold those streets, but giving more vitality to the city, specially to this famous area... i just want to go back to nY and see all this new projects that i've been following thru these years, as i did 3 years ago, when i visited ny, and see in person projects like hearst tower...
ok, sorry again for those anoying posts about the slow progress, is just part of the frustration on not getting more height on this one... cheers..

[uaarkson]

I wasn't trying to sound mean, I literally meant you should try reading the thread. Pretty much everything that's known to the public has been discussed to death here.

[New Skyline]

I keep reading this tread over and over, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.

First it's this, then it's that, Next week it's something else. Just build the damn thing, what's so difficult?

Larry Silverstein & PA, Infrastructure bla bla bla....

What's going on?

At the end of the day, Tower 4 just seems to be another slowstarter afterall.

Isn't it just all about financings?

Remeber how Tower 4 was shooting out of the ground??

(So: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back..)

I'm Sorry, I am a Huge ''New York City Skyline Fan'', and i just want to see This Tower Rise, like everyone else does.

[Dac150]

^^^ We know you do New Skyline, we know you do.

All of this complaining is getting....well...:oldlady

[tommaso]

^^^ We know you do New Skyline, we know you do.

All of this complaining is getting....well...:oldlady

New Skyline has a highly valuable point! I, as a Manhattanite pay my taxes. And as a real New Yorker, I believe my city and my neighbors, my city's residents are being cheated out of valuable time and resources! Enough beating a live bush and killing it dead over and over again! I have had enough with the dead end bureaucracy and the ragingly nerve splitting politics! MY New York deserves a Lower Manhattan fitting of its global image; a beacon of hope, freedom and wealth for the world to see!