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mattgrande

Sep 20, 2012, 12:32 PM

Speaking of the Regina proposal: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/football/regina-unveils-concept-design-for-new-stadium-to-house-roughriders/article4555430/

Some choice quotes:

The City of Regina has unveiled concept drawings of a proposed 33,000-seat stadium that would be home to the Saskatchewan Roughriders football team.

The design shows a sunken bowl-type stadium that would be located on Evraz Place lands, near where Mosaic Stadium now stands.
...
Gone would be the bench-style seating in Mosaic Stadium.
...
The concept design has cost the city $575,000 so far.

Deputy city manager Brent Sjoberg said the concept gives people an idea of what can be done for $278 million.

So they're going to be almost a third larger, but it will cost significantly more.

Are they going to be playing an "away" season as well, or is there another large enough stadium in Regina?

BCTed

Sep 20, 2012, 12:45 PM

Speaking of the Regina proposal: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/football/regina-unveils-concept-design-for-new-stadium-to-house-roughriders/article4555430/

Some choice quotes:

So they're going to be almost a third larger, but it will cost significantly more.

Are they going to be playing an "away" season as well, or is there another large enough stadium in Regina?

The proposal is for a stadium near the current one, but not on the exact same site. I believe they are planning on keeping the old one open until the new one is complete, and it seems that it will take longer than a season for construction to take place. They actually just performed some renovations to the old one, adding some seating and upgrading the video boards.

FrankieFlowerpot

Sep 20, 2012, 12:50 PM

They'll continue to play in Mosaic whilst construction is happening

bigguy1231

Sep 22, 2012, 1:49 PM

Here's a link to todays Spec story speculating about the new stadium. It even mentions the high school stadium that I posted a link to earlier in the discussion as a model for what we might be getting. The roll out here for our new stadium design is supposed to be Oct 12.

http://www.thespec.com/news/article/804610--pan-am-stadium-planrollout-soon

SteelTown

Sep 22, 2012, 2:56 PM

Yep it's been delayed to Oct 12.

realcity

Sep 23, 2012, 1:57 AM

Stay tuned for the following delay. We'll be lucky if it's revealed before December 1. I think this is Troop doing it back to Council. Meanwhile TO2015 already has the winning design/build team selected, they're probably working on the deliverables and logistics to begin, all that before we even see the powerpoint. Because it will be so far into development and this has to built in 18 months, no chance for the City to politicize it. Keep Council out of this as much as possible is what I say. Staff has been involved, with super competent bidders, that's good enough for me.

FrankieFlowerpot

Sep 23, 2012, 5:52 AM

....

Dr Awesomesauce

Sep 23, 2012, 7:50 AM

F*ck me sideways...

CaptainKirk

Sep 23, 2012, 3:59 PM

....

Why did you delete your post? You're anonymous.

SteelTown

Sep 23, 2012, 4:18 PM

I'll say it....

No roof, no end zone seating, more washrooms, better concession stands. Pimped up version of BMO.

CaptainKirk

Sep 23, 2012, 7:11 PM

I'll say it....

No roof, no end zone seating, more washrooms, better concession stands. Pimped up version of BMO.

I've got it here, word for word...

The design looks alright - don't be getting your hopes up for anything aesthetically pleasing though.

Improved concessions and washrooms are good.

No roof - no seats behind each goal.

Think along the lines of a souped up BMO

matt602

Sep 23, 2012, 10:27 PM

Sounds craptacular.

Dr Awesomesauce

Sep 23, 2012, 11:47 PM

If all we're getting is a BMO-esque field, then there's not really much point to it, is there? To build something that isn't beautiful, well, that just doesn't make sense to me...unless all you really want is parking.

mattgrande

Sep 24, 2012, 1:14 AM

Is anyone surprised? For how much we're paying, for how big we're making it, that's what I was expecting.

BCTed

Sep 24, 2012, 1:32 AM

Is anyone surprised? For how much we're paying, for how big we're making it, that's what I was expecting.

I do not know how accurate that deleted post is, but this stadium plan has always felt low-budget to me (I know that ~$150 million is a lot of money, but not for a professional football stadium).

Berklon

Sep 24, 2012, 2:19 AM

Sounds like a stadium truly deserving for the location... and for this city. LOL.

It's going to be a bigger waste of money than I anticipated with a craptastic stadium.

Just cancel this thing already.

CaptainKirk

Sep 24, 2012, 5:14 AM

I'll wait till I see it, but I've got a feeling it'll be much better than BMO.

It's the location that bothers me most.

bigguy1231

Sep 24, 2012, 6:05 AM

They are going to keep delaying the announcement until demolition starts on Ivor Wynne. Once demolition has started the city won't be able to change their minds when they are shown plans for the joke of a stadium we are going to get.

SteelTown

Sep 24, 2012, 11:55 AM

The auction of IWS won't happen until November. So demo won't start until after that.

Berklon

Sep 24, 2012, 1:34 PM

I'll wait till I see it, but I've got a feeling it'll be much better than BMO.

Being "much better than BMO" still doesn't mean it'll be good. BMO is extremely bare-bones, so the bar is pretty low to begin with.

I'm not expecting a state-of-the-art stadium - it would be overkill. But I do expect something solid and not cheap-looking. It can be a notch or two below Winnipeg's new stadium, and it would still be decent.

SteelTown

Sep 24, 2012, 1:39 PM

I was hoping for something like the PPL Park stadium, $128 million in today's cost.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wind-watcher/5686216430/

Instead it looks like the roof was chopped off to add an upper bowl on the West and East side of the stadium, no end zone seating.

LikeHamilton

Sep 26, 2012, 3:05 PM

Pan Am Stadium unveiling comes next month

CHML 9/26/2012

The drawings of Hamilton's Pan Am Stadium will be unveiled on October 12th.

City and government officials, including those from Infrastructure Ontario, will be in town to show residents what the facility will look like.

The groundbreaking is expected to occur once the Hamilton Tiger-Cats season is over in November.

The Pan Am Stadium is expected to be completed by July 1st 2014.

drpgq

Sep 26, 2012, 7:32 PM

trebor204

Sep 27, 2012, 3:21 AM

Any news where the Tiger Cats will play next season?

mattgrande

Sep 27, 2012, 12:16 PM

I don't think anything's been announced yet.

Vod_Kann

Oct 1, 2012, 11:09 AM

I'll say it....

No roof, no end zone seating, more washrooms, better concession stands. Pimped up version of BMO.

I'll agree with some of the other comments but why is everybody so bummed about potentially no end zone seating? It's not like those were a major component at IWS (maybe 1500 seats?).

CaptainKirk

Oct 1, 2012, 12:22 PM

I'll agree with some of the other comments but why is everybody so bummed about potentially no end zone seating? It's not like those were a major component at IWS (maybe 1500 seats?).

For me, a long time attendee of Ti-Cat games, it's all about the atmosphere created by the fans that help create that enclosed, intimate feeling.

If there are no seats in the end zone of the new stadium (and I don't expect there to be) , I hope they do something structurally to 'enclose' that game/field to help create that intimate feeling rather than leaving wide open ends.

Dr Awesomesauce

Oct 1, 2012, 12:48 PM

^It's like a gap in the streetwall (Hamiltonians all know what that feels like). Not having endzone seating - if that truly is the case - is just bad planning.

Damn, what have we got ourselves into...

Berklon

Oct 1, 2012, 2:52 PM

I agree on the thoughts of endzones. It isn't about the financials, it's about the atmosphere it provides.

With endzone seating, the stadium is enclosed and gives off a more intimate feeling. And the fans seated there gives it an immersion of being a bigger crowd.

A grandstand on either side and nothing else feels like a highschool stadium.

CaptainKirk

Oct 2, 2012, 3:25 PM

I hope they do something like Heinz field where there is a raised concourse or plaza in the endzone that can create that enclosure. A good place to hang out with beers, or even erect temporary bleachers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Heinz_Field_Pittsburgh.jpg

http://www.steelers.com/assets/images/imported/PIT/photos/article/2010_South_Plaza_Winter_Classic_Seating.jpg

FrankieFlowerpot

Oct 2, 2012, 5:01 PM

You might be in luck

CaptainKirk

Oct 2, 2012, 7:33 PM

You might be in luck

You just made my day!

Now, if we could only get this moved to the WH...especially with the recent talk of the rail yards lease expiring in 2018.

FrankieFlowerpot

Oct 2, 2012, 8:53 PM

Now, if we could only get this moved to the WH...especially with the recent talk of the rail yards lease expiring in 2018.

You might not be in luck :P

CaptainKirk

Oct 2, 2012, 11:21 PM

You might not be in luck :P

Been hearing lately that's in not completely dead after all. Keeping fingers crossed.

Getting the railyards changes everything!

It also keeps the team in IWS as long as needed. That's got to be worth a ton of money to the team.

mattgrande

Oct 3, 2012, 11:44 AM

Oh for fucks sake...

"We were wrong about Pan Am stadium: Ferguson"
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/810999--we-were-wrong-about-pan-am-stadium-ferguson

durandy

Oct 3, 2012, 12:30 PM

what kind of a stunt is Ferguson playing here? I guess someone's running for mayor in 2014!

Dr Awesomesauce

Oct 3, 2012, 2:27 PM

A**holes...the lot of 'em.

I've got a hundred bucks says there'll be no new stadium when all's said and done.

matt602

Oct 3, 2012, 6:58 PM

I am a West Harbour supporter but this is just ridiculous. These concerns should have been raised well over a year ago when the site was still actually being debated. The process is way too far along now and all this is doing is creating pointless friction between all parties involved. I do agree that the whole thing is incredibly shady and the location chosen isn't what I would have preferred but we're stuck with it now and there's little we can do.

Berklon

Oct 3, 2012, 7:54 PM

:haha:

What a farce.

The location is definitely wrong, and as I've always said - it doesn't HAVE to be at the WH for it to be a good location...

but I agree - NOW this is a concern? Really?

coalminecanary

Oct 4, 2012, 1:26 AM

Why are we building this?

Jon Dalton

Oct 5, 2012, 10:32 PM

It's never too late to stop doing something that's a bad idea.

I don't mind Ivor Wynne myself - I can get there by bike or transit. And living near the West Harbour I'd rather see residential there.

I just can't for the life of me figure out why the Ticats would prefer Ivor Wynne to West Harbour.

durandy

Oct 5, 2012, 11:37 PM

motion to withdraw the city's commitment. Motion to spend $45 million to buy the railyards and not give the land to a useless football team that does nothing for the city.

coalminecanary

Oct 6, 2012, 12:20 AM

seconded

CaptainKirk

Oct 6, 2012, 5:30 PM

You mean actually use the future fund for its intended purpose?

I'd be spending even more for the rail yards and locating the stadium (among other things) there.

Jon Dalton

Oct 6, 2012, 8:27 PM

Just an aside, but as frustrating as it is to watch this stadium design play out, it's not near as bad as watching the Tiger Cats play football. Did anyone else see them get their asses handed to them in the 4th quarter last night? I don't think the location of their stadium is their real issue.

CaptainKirk

Oct 6, 2012, 9:22 PM

[QUOTE=Jon Dalton;5857939 Did anyone else see them get their asses handed to them in the 4th quarter last night?[/QUOTE]

Yup. Outscored 18-0.

Tiger-Cats had a 3 point lead going into the 4th quarter.

mattgrande

Oct 7, 2012, 1:56 PM

How many leads has this team given up in the fourth quarter this season? This is at least the fourth time it's happened...

The defense absolutely falls apart in the second half, every single game.

SteelTown

Oct 10, 2012, 6:17 PM

Media Advisory - Design Announcement for Hamilton's Brand New Stadium

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1049717/media-advisory-design-announcement-for-hamilton-s-brand-new-stadium

TORONTO, Oct. 10, 2012 /CNW/ -

What: The TORONTO 2015 Pan American/Parapan American Games Organizing Committee (TO2015) and its partners will announce the funding and design details for the sole soccer venue for the TORONTO 2015 Pan Am Games—the new Ivor Wynne Stadium.

Media will have an opportunity to interview officials regarding the facility following the news conference.

Who: TO2015, joined by officials from the Government of Canada, the Province of Ontario and the City of Hamilton, will make the announcement on the current stadium's field.

When: Friday, October 12, 2012
2:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m.

Where: Ivor Wynne Stadium
Please use the Melrose Avenue entrance
Hamilton, ON

SteelTown

Oct 12, 2012, 2:35 PM

Just a few hours until the reveal.

SteelTown

Oct 12, 2012, 2:40 PM

SteelTown

Oct 12, 2012, 2:56 PM

No expropriations needed and stadium has West and East stands instead of North and South.

realcity

Oct 12, 2012, 3:01 PM

"A substantially superior designed stadium compared to BMo" - city Staffer

I will be terribly disappointed with just 22,500 seats. It might be more intimate but the cost of tickets will have to increase. IF it has 10,000 temp seating why not make them permanent.?

realcity

Oct 12, 2012, 3:05 PM

Ontario Sports Solutions is the winning bidder for $119.1 million stadium.

Cannon Design/Faulkner Browns Architect/Arup Associates and National Bank.

22,500 seats but can add 10,000 temp seats for Grey Cup.

Just 180 parking spots.

From what I just heard is we will see the design but not exactly how it will fit onto the block. That's ridiculous, the surrounding land use and how the stadium 'fits' is just as important. I don't think they can have a finalized # of parking spots then?

SteelTown

Oct 12, 2012, 3:08 PM

The Ti Cats are the ones who determined 22,500 seats are enough. Council seems to want more seats added.

realcity

Oct 12, 2012, 3:09 PM

22,500 perm
480 luxury box seats (included)

Additional capacity 12,500 to meet Grey Cup minimum of 35,000 capacity.

Typical TiCat seating will still be 28,000

bluevue

Oct 12, 2012, 3:22 PM

I am betting design will incorporate additional 'standing room only' section....this is a great concept to sell more tickets for attendance purposes, without physical seats, but also encourage cheaper tickets...and more liquor sales....a more party atmosphere...and quite honestly....would be right up the alley for Hamilton so fans can party it up and not disturb those who want to watch the game in relative 'quiet' from their seats. This will bring those 'seating numbers' up...the Cowboys did it....enough said.

oldcoote

Oct 12, 2012, 3:36 PM

ridiculous

oldcoote

Oct 12, 2012, 3:40 PM

22,500 perm
480 luxury box seats (included)

Additional capacity 12,500 to meet Grey Cup minimum of 35,000 capacity.

Typical TiCat seating will still be 28,000

I thought Grey Cup min. was 40,000?

SteelTown

Oct 12, 2012, 4:01 PM

Hamilton's Pan Am stadium will cost less than $120 million -- about $30 million less than expected.

John McKendrick from Infrastructure Ontario is presenting the high-level details of the stadium to councillors on the Pan Am subcommittee today. The winning bid, a consortium called Ontario Sports Solutions, includes Bouygues Building Canada Inc. and Kenaidan Contracting Ltd.

"The contract is signed. It's a done deal," McKendrick said.

As expected, the stadium is being reoriented north-south, will meet all requirements for both FIFA soccer and CFL football games, and have 25,500 seats with provisions for temporary seating for 10,000 people for future Grey Cup Games.

It will take about 400 workers to build Hamilton's stadium.

Detailed design work will be under way until Dec. 1, when workers have access to Ivor Wynne for demolition. The contract calls for “substantial completion” of the stadium by July 1, 2014.

http://www.thespec.com/news/article/816350--hamilton-pan-am-stadium-unveiled-live

realcity

Oct 12, 2012, 4:10 PM

BY bought the naming rights for $9 million. Perhaps RedHat Stadium? or he is gambling on reselling them for more.

What's with not using the entire $150 million dollar budget? Does Hamilton get a portion of our $45 million back? Doubt it? THe savings will be put into Toronto's facilities.

go_leafs_go02

Oct 12, 2012, 4:11 PM

25,500 seats sounds more reasonable for the Ti-Cats.

SteelTown

Oct 12, 2012, 4:44 PM

CHML and CBC are reporting 22,500 seat stadium.

bigguy1231

Oct 12, 2012, 5:52 PM

22,500 perm
480 luxury box seats (included)

Additional capacity 12,500 to meet Grey Cup minimum of 35,000 capacity.

Typical TiCat seating will still be 28,000

The Grey Cup minimum is 40,000 seats. We will never host another Grey Cup in this city with this mickey mouse stadium.

SteelTown

Oct 12, 2012, 5:53 PM

It'll be 22,500 seats that can expand to 40,000 seats for major events.

SteelTown

Oct 12, 2012, 6:18 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5Bnnb0CUAA0Av-.jpg:large
https://twitter.com/scratchingpost/status/256819105934495744/photo/1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5BoNcdCAAA6nNN.jpg:large
https://twitter.com/scratchingpost/status/256819758937276417/photo/1

mattgrande

Oct 12, 2012, 6:21 PM

First picture has endzone seating, second doesn't... Are those the expansion seats?

drpgq

Oct 12, 2012, 6:22 PM

I'm shocked the parking went down. 24.000 with the club seats will make it easier to sell out. I'm kind of meh right now.

FrankieFlowerpot

Oct 12, 2012, 6:31 PM

First picture has endzone seating, second doesn't... Are those the expansion seats?

Yep - those are the temporary seats

ihateittoo

Oct 12, 2012, 6:36 PM

http://www.900chml.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocalGeneral/Story.aspx?ID=1790037

video and more pictures.

ihateittoo

Oct 12, 2012, 6:37 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Kd3pF.jpg
a better version of the above picture.

SteelTown

Oct 12, 2012, 6:41 PM

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/full/670995485.jpg?key=14741000&Expires=1350068290&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=pT4WHNMfgFSqbQ4UxzrLegCyJHK5NAI1I31mVwEnY7nfwwCRterPDw8QDGvX4AXzOZuC2NwWYEZBl8t5Bqa-Lz7JePsEu5jzfENRLRG6uCbUJKSXaZNlJCDJ6NxjH-cQKdtTGn3-sv9h2S6~rXT2XLELiCfpBUWXpWAL6TKs8pY_
http://twitpic.com/b3hrfh

LikeHamilton

Oct 12, 2012, 6:44 PM

So the press box faces east to the geto's of Stoney Creek and not west to the core?

SteelTown

Oct 12, 2012, 6:50 PM

Video of the stadium...
http://www.panam2015.gov.on.ca/en/news/20121012.asp

realcity

Oct 12, 2012, 7:17 PM

What a piece of crap!

So the exterior just shows the underside of the bleachers??? No theme, this is non-design, where's the architectural features?? I should've known better.

One thing is fur sure, the WH supporters are probably glad this piece of crap is not spoiling the WH.

durandy

Oct 12, 2012, 7:24 PM

pretty boring design. Oh well. I'll be excited to see the Pan-am soccer there.

ihateittoo

Oct 12, 2012, 7:27 PM

second video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4ZlucmNW3g&feature=player_embedded#!

realcity

Oct 12, 2012, 7:38 PM

That second video almost looks like a different stadium from the first vid. The concourse looks promising.

Look at 1:09 on the first, then 0:55 on the youtube vid. I don't think they have nailed down a final design yet??

go_leafs_go02

Oct 12, 2012, 7:44 PM

What a horrible design.

Looks like BMO Field - cheap, temporary, blah.

C'mon, see what Winnipeg is doing, what Regina is proposing for some inspiration.

I thought for a second I was looking at the original Ivor Wynne Stadium with some minor improvements.

urban_planner

Oct 12, 2012, 7:48 PM

This is pretty pathetic, The whole thing should be rotated 180 degrees have the temp seating facing south and the press boxes etc facing west:hell:

Anyway the quality of the stadium reflects the team.:dead:

Go Argos might be needed soon:dunce:

I don't even know of council can be blammed for this!

Perehaps we should just keep Ivro Wynn!

realcity

Oct 12, 2012, 7:55 PM

What a horrible design.
I thought for a second I was looking at the original Ivor Wynne Stadium with some minor improvements.

I thought the same thing> I thought the video was beginning with what we've got and then expecting to be wowwed with a new design. What a disappointment! The designers should be ashamed to put this in their portfolio. There is no design. Use the full budget, the unused 30$ million and put a partial roof and some walls on it for some kind of features to make it look like a pro stadium and not a US high school field.

So the broadcasts will be looking east? Nice, did they even visit the site and do research before they took an off-the-shelf design?

go_leafs_go02

Oct 12, 2012, 8:00 PM

I thought the same thing> I thought the video was beginning with what we've got and then expecting to be wowwed with a new design. What a disappointment! The designers should be ashamed to put this in their portfolio. There is no design. Use the full budget, the unused 30$ million and put a partial roof and some walls on it for some kind of features to make it look like a pro stadium and not a US high school field.

So the broadcasts will be looking east? Nice, did they even visit the site and do research before they took an off-the-shelf design?

Here's the problem I see:

BC Lions new digs:

http://www.bclionsden.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/bcplace.jpg

Winnipeg's Blue Bombers New Digs:

http://cfl.uploads.mrx.ca/wpg/images/gallery/2011/09/1_W2534.jpg

Saskatchewan's potential new stadium:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/7268343.bin

And..

Drumroll Please....

HAMILTON!!!!

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/670995485.jpg?key=14741000&Expires=1350073000&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=gkXhRnaKwpBXx0rh7BgESUsE~n3cak2MOlal8IWFqyn4C5~a8iLVzBpIvNmaoxdDaHcE3jQfZjIQOhl1x3QZyD5eFOs2qf7l8RPNDEqw8orLpXEN-xviU3HKw2uD2wVxNqrxuuNzJ2QtsPpeolM8FNohuX8IZxI7Dr7aDeUpSHo_

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Pearlstreet

Oct 12, 2012, 8:12 PM

Excellent - looks great! I'm off to the BC vs Ti-cats game tonight. It should be a-buzz with the news! I hope for restaurants and areas to congregate before and after events there once it comes together. So far my 'go too' is sadly Tim Hortons to meet up with others first. Looking forward!

realcity

Oct 12, 2012, 9:09 PM

that's hilarious go_leafs_go

bigguy1231

Oct 12, 2012, 11:33 PM

Those renderings are not of the actual stadium, it still hasn't been designed. So don't get too excited if you are thinking it looks good. What we are going to get is what MAC has times 2 with an extra 10 rows of seats on each side.

Berklon

Oct 13, 2012, 12:20 AM

Very under-whelming stadium in a very poor location.

The TV cameras should be facing the West end to maximize the view (and minimize the ugliness). The temp seating should be in the north end so when it's actually up it will be blocking the ugly view of our dying industry.

What's with the video showing a concert? Like that's going to be a regular occurrence.

It's much nicer than Ivor Wynne, but that's not very hard to do. This is a cheap, bland stadium which should be more intimate than it looks considering the small size. It really needs to be more enclosed and have some kind of roofing.

It'll be done on the cheap at 120mill... and will look like it. I didn't have to be as nice as Winnipegs new stadium, but couldn't they at least get closer to that design? As I've heard already, this looks like a stadium that was made in the 80's or early 90's - not something you'd find in 2012.

I bet this thing will be over-budget to boot.

Once again... what a terrible terrible location.

SteelTown

Oct 13, 2012, 12:49 AM

My biggest complaint is that there isn't a roof. At least with IWS you could sit and stand under the upper deck. With this new stadium there's no protection from the sun or rain.

Wish it was more like PPL stadium.

http://blogofbrotherlylove.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/img_1911.jpg?w=300&h=225

With that roof this would look a hundred times better.

fenwick16

Oct 13, 2012, 12:57 AM

I seem to be in the minority but I like it. I actually like the open concourses; it is a real outdoor stadium and will have lots of open space and fresh air if built as in the renderings. I would have liked to see a simple roof (something like at Cleveland Browns Stadium) covering 12 - 15 rows at the top.

I shouldn't use a baseball analogy but Camden Yards in Baltimore was a throw back (retro) baseball stadium that is very popular with fans.

BCTed

Oct 13, 2012, 11:51 AM

I think it looks utterly horrendous and low-rent. I also hate the low seating capacity --- Bob Young mentioned something about expanding it over time if need be --- but who wants another patchwork stadium?

Let's do a little experiment in contrasts.

To piggyback on go_leafs_go02's comparison post, please forget about Hamilton's stadium and spend a few minutes getting completely immersed in the details of Winnipeg's new stadium at http://www.bluebombers.com/page/stadium-2012... perhaps check out the "Fly Through Video", "Virtual Venue Demo Video", and "Virtual Venue" sections.

Once you have become anchored to the Winnipeg stadium's features, then watch the first ten seconds of the Hamilton stadium video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmA3YI6Wrko. If you have anywhere near the same reaction as I did, it will be a visceral "Ugh!"

This will probably be Hamilton's civic stadium until at least 2065, if not until 2100!

Berklon

Oct 13, 2012, 2:37 PM

Looking over the design a day after, I'm even more disappointed.
It really does come across as a renovated Ivor Wynne rotated at 90 degrees.

This "Party deck" and open concept in the endzones to give it more of a social gathering atmosphere is fine in theory - but the backdrop is supposed to add to that atmosphere. All we'll be seeing will be dumpy houses and low income neighbourhoods - like we see now.

Other stadium backdrops are of mountains, bodies of water or of a vibrant downtown core which is really conducive to a partying/social atmosphere. No, not Hamilton - we continue to play in the mud.

This whole thing is so low class it's embarrassing.

Every one I know has stated they have no intention of spending their money at this big mistake.

If the Ti-cats think this will make much of a difference in attendance in the long run - they'll be very disappointed.

durandy

Oct 13, 2012, 3:33 PM

Pan-Am stadium: Live from Ivor Wynne

http://www.thespec.com/news/article/816350--hamilton-pan-am-stadium-as-it-happened
...
T02015 says there will be 22,500 permanent seats with the ability to add 17,500 seats to handle Grey Cup-sized crowds. (That's more than the 10,000 temporary seats Infrastructure Ontario announced to councillors this morning). Hamiton's new stadium will be smaller than Ivor Wynne, have fewer parking spots, and cost millions less to build than expected.

Final stadium funding breakdown: $54.1 million from city, $22.3 million from province, $69.1 million from Ottawa.

There was a sense of resignation and frustration around the council table this morning as officials from Infrastructure Ontario presented some of the details of the new stadium. It will have 22,500 seats (compared to Ivor Wynne's 30,000) and 180 parking spots (compared to the 400 currently available at the Cannon Street stadium).

While Councillors said they were pleased to have a new stadium, as Lloyd Ferguson said, there are "dark clouds" over the process.

The winning bidders for the stadium build, a consortium called Ontario Sports Solutions, includes Bouygues Building Canada Inc. and Kenaidan Contracting Ltd. The full details aren't being released until a press conference at Ivor Wynne at 2 p.m. today.

The construction costs for Hamilton's Pan Am stadium will be $119.1 million, less than the $145 million budget. However, city staff say that "soft costs" like contingence funds and architects will eat up the remaining $35 million.

As expected, the stadium is being reoriented north-south, will meet all requirements for both FIFA soccer and CFL football games, and have 22,500 seats with provisions for temporary seating for 10,000 people for future Grey Cup Games.

This story has been edited a few times, now 17500 extra seating. And the project is not under budget after all.

thistleclub

Oct 13, 2012, 3:37 PM

"A substantially superior designed stadium compared to BMo" - city Staffer

For twice the money, one would hope so. But that's not really much of a competitive standard, is it? (Not to mention that BMO Field has hosted only one concert, over five years ago.)

If this generic shed is the aim, I have to wonder what fresh disappointments await. Rarely does the finished product match, let alone exceed, the concept rendering.

From the press release: The Hamilton stadium will reach a Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) rating with its site selection, reduced greenhouse gas emissions, waste diversion and recycling, and the efficient use of energy, water and other resources.

Back when this began, then-Pan Am point man David Adames boasted that the stadium would achieve LEED Silver or higher. This ambition has apparently been relaxed to "some measure of LEEDishness."

durandy

Oct 13, 2012, 3:45 PM

Pan Am Stadium Precinct Sub-committee
REPORT 12-003
10: 00 a.m.
Monday May 28, 2012
http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/4CB5D1A3-21F8-4B89-AF08-7BC82EF0D8B9/0/Jun20EDRMS_n314145_v1_8_7__Report_12003_Pan_Am_Stadium_Precin.pdf

Mayor Bratina asked for clarification that the City of Hamilton’s financial commitment is still capped at $45 million.

Staff responded that this was correct.