Surrey/South Fraser Updates

[MIPS]

https://storeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/10227-King-George-Boulevard-Surrey-Tallest-Building-in-CB-1-900x562.jpg

https://storeys.com/10227-67-storey-westland-skyscraper-surrey-city-centre-bc-tallest-building/

Looks like it's going through.

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/67-storey-tower-for-downtown-goes-to-surrey-public-hearing-monday-night/

A proposal to develop a 67-storey tower in Surrey’s city centre got third-reading approval from council after it went to a public hearing Monday, Jan. 16 at city hall.

Aimforce Surrey Centre 1 Ltd.’s project, at 10201-10239 King George Boulevard, features a 678-foot-tall mixed-used high-rise consisting of a seven-storey commercial and office podium.

It includes 19,422 square metres of commercial and office floor space and an eight-storey residential podium and residential tower with 746 dwelling units including studios to three-bedroom apartments.

[jollyburger]

Here's the development application:

https://www.surrey.ca/sites/default/files/planning-reports/PLR_7921-0313-00.pdf

Does Surrey have a development application site like CoV?

Also the height of the building: 206.9m (678.8 feet)

[Metro-One]

Fantastic! Some nice renderings in there. Don’t know why, but out of the three or more 200m+ towers now proposed in Surrey, I feel this will be the first one to actually become reality.

[Cypherus]

This tower is my favorite proposal in Metro Vancouver and that crown is a first for our region. Happy to see that the new Council is accepting of tall towers. I know the tallest tower in the Safeway site will be taller, but it falls short in the aesthetic department compared to this proposal.

[SpongeG]

yes, I really like the crown, looks like something from overseas.

[Metro-One]

Funny, I like it too, but its getting eaten alive in the Canadian Section.

[madog222]

yes, I really like the crown, looks like something from overseas.

It looks like something from Dubai to me though maybe that sunset coloring is helping with that.

Here is daytime.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52637624501_01760a272b_h.jpg
Image from Chris Dikeakos Architects

[SpongeG]

nice, It feels like a building you would find in a city city, not Surrey, for what is in Surrey now and most of what is either under construction or proposed for the most part feels safe and suburban, but this one seems to push it a little bit away from safe and suburban which is a nice direction, Surrey is developing an identity for itself.

[officedweller]

The crown looks like a budget version of a more detailed design (think IFC in Hong Kong), but the inner mechanical penthouse behind those 4 screens looks similar to the FortisBC tower in downtown Vancouver, so it's not that bad.
On question is whether they'll be able to get that look without a lot of structural steel supports.

[SpongeG]

the courtyard at Willowbrook is opening soon, well the Red Robin has a banner saying it opend in January 2023, their old location closed a few weeks ago I think. It looks good.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52641908553_6467e093fb_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ocMxoZ)2023-01-21_10-31-33 (https://flic.kr/p/2ocMxoZ) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52640924117_85dcac498d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ocGuKX)2023-01-21_10-31-26 (https://flic.kr/p/2ocGuKX) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

Red Robin straight ahead
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52641433636_8be08b86f9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ocK7dL)2023-01-21_10-31-17 (https://flic.kr/p/2ocK7dL) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

OEB
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52641871590_ca5480d571_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ocMmpG)2023-01-21_10-31-07 (https://flic.kr/p/2ocMmpG) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52641907878_a5318a71ee_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ocMxcm)2023-01-21_10-30-57 (https://flic.kr/p/2ocMxcm) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

[EhJay]

I'm interested in checking that out. It'll eventually have 10 food and beverage options, with 8 being announced:

AO Ramen Upscale Japanese dining including the only teppanyaki bar south of the Fraser.
Captain’s Oven Pizza Authentic Neapolitan style pizzas and salads for the whole family.
Chachi’s Gourmet sandwiches and comfort food.
Good Taco Fresh, homemade tortillas and authentic fillings are at the heart of every Good Taco.
Lee’s Donuts A mom and pop donut shop serving handmade, classic donuts.
OEB Breakfast Co. An all-day breakfast and lunch restaurant that offers familiar classics.
Red Robin Insanely delicious burgers and brews with an assortment of flavoursome appetizers.
Trattoria Italian Kitchen Classic Italian cuisine with the charm of a neighbourhood feel.

[SpongeG]

Tap & Barrel (https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/tap-barrel-langley-willowbrook-shopping-centre) just announced they will open a two-level space with a year-round roof dining patio but not until 2024 or late 2023. Chachi's is open now.

Foot locker is opening soon inside the mall along with a kids Foot Locker, in the bay wing.

[NewfBC]

Red Robin opens on Thursday (26th)

Ron.

[CoryHolmes]

I'm still surprised that in this era of mega malls closing and redeveloping their lands, that Willowbrook is expanding.

[Klazu]

Red Robin opens on Thursday (26th)

What, a brand new Red Robin opening?? Did they move?

[Klazu]

Also the height of the building: 206.9m (678.8 feet)

Hmm, that's surprisingly short. Will the Safeway tower complex be taller? I hope for some nice peaks in the skyline and not a cluster of towers about the same height. The proposal looks otherwise amazing.

[Changing City]

Hmm, that's surprisingly short. Will the Safeway tower complex be taller? I hope for some nice peaks in the skyline and not a cluster of towers about the same height. The proposal looks otherwise amazing.

Theoretically the tallest at Civic District (ex Safeway) could be up to 70 storeys, but they're planning it as 66 storeys, 59, 58 and 53, so it will be a cluster around the same height, and as the tallest tower has a shorter podium, it might be slightly shorter.

[SpongeG]

What, a brand new Red Robin opening?? Did they move?

Red Robin used to be in a stand-alone building at the corner of 200th and the bypass, a Toronto-based chain is moving into that space now. They should do much better at the mall.

[NewfBC]

What, a brand new Red Robin opening?? Did they move?

Red Robin used to be in a stand-alone building at the corner of 200th and the bypass, a Toronto-based chain is moving into that space now. They should do much better at the mall.

Correct.. they're moving the Langley location. Good to see this, shows that Red Robin still has some interest in the BC/Canada market (only BC has RR in Canada, all locations are corporate operated).

Ron.

[memememe76]

Willowbrook's expansion is more about expanding their food options, not so much retail. A food scene connected to retail is popular all over North America, especially in the suburbs.

[rpvan]

Article from last summer. Not sure if there's been any progress since.

Proposal filed for Abbotsford’s tallest building, at 31 storeys
https://www.abbynews.com/news/proposal-filed-for-abbotsfords-tallest-building-at-31-storeys/

A proposal for Abbotsford’s tallest building has been filed with the city, but it’s not clear when the matter could come before council for consideration.

The application seeks to build a 31-storey mixed-use building on Garden Street across from Canadian Tire. The site is the former location of AutoMind Collision Repair.

The project requires rezoning from the service commercial zone to a new comprehensive development zone.

According to the application from David Eaton Architect Inc., the development would have 262 living units with 859 square feet of commercial space and a 473-square-foot daycare.

A city spokesperson said there is no time frame yet for when the matter will go to council as the city is still in the review process with the applicant.

Abbotsford’s current tallest building is the 26-storey Mahogany Tower on Gladwin Road near Mill Lake, which was completed in late 2018.

The project by Quantum Properties was the subject of much controversy when it came before council in 2011. Neighbours complained that it was out of place in a single-family residential neighbourhood and would block their views.

But the project was approved by a 5-4 council vote.

Applications can take months – sometimes years – to make their way through the planning process and appear before council for final sign-off. During that period, plans are frequently revised.

[SpongeG]

Langley Willoughby area has been incorporating retail and office developments amongst its acres and acres of townhouses.

There is a new strip-type mall going up on 82nd a block or two east of the Events centre, part of it is a two-storey office component.

Across the street from the Events centre a new development by Essence is going up, there is fencing and signage and banners etc up right now, it says something about them creating a new entertainment hub. Makes sense being so close to the events centre to create a restaurant/retail hub in that spot, but can't find any info, anybody know anything? the lot is replacing some SFH large lots that were torn down last year.

Willoughby Town Centre, the rendered part is long completed - The District will be in the NW grass lot next to this, th ebig lot on the corner was the one that had a big fire a while ago and it is now looking almost completed.
https://www.qualico.com/images/default-source/photo-galleries/showcases/vancouver/willoughby-town-centre/commercialbc-wtc-aerial.jpg?sfvrsn=881e0031_3
qualico.com

This is now bannered all over the fences and getting ready to come next, the District.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52676238703_0af46ae993_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ofPuy8)district-courtyard (https://flic.kr/p/2ofPuy8) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr
https://www.livabl.com/

Latimer Heights is starting to fill up its retail and office spaces now.

https://flre.ca/drive/uploads/2020/10/Latimer-Village-Latimer-Buisness-Hub-Rendering-84-Ave-LR.jpg
flre.ca

[Sheba]

Across the street from the Events centre a new development by Essence is going up, there is fencing and signage and banners etc up right now, it says something about them creating a new entertainment hub. Makes sense being so close to the events centre to create a restaurant/retail hub in that spot, but can't find any info, anybody know anything? the lot is replacing some SFH large lots that were torn down last year.


Most likely Eastin (https://essenceliving.com/eastin-condos-project-page/) - "A collection of 117 condos, townhomes, and live-work homes..."

[Sheba]

Does anyone know what's happening at the field at 70th and King George? I was told there's machines and gravel so it sounds like something pre-construction. That's where the bus loop was planned to go but there's been silence on it. :shrug:

[GMasterAres]

Does anyone know what's happening at the field at 70th and King George? I was told there's machines and gravel so it sounds like something pre-construction. That's where the bus loop was planned to go but there's been silence on it. :shrug:

That is controlled by Translink. I believe they are planning to build a bus layover and turn-around are on that plot of land. This could be pre-work while it goes through approval process. There was plans in the past for LRT to terminate there with a new station and bus loop.

[Sheba]

That is controlled by Translink. I believe they are planning to build a bus layover and turn-around are on that plot of land. This could be pre-work while it goes through approval process. There was plans in the past for LRT to terminate there with a new station and bus loop.

They've had a corner of it paved over for bus layovers since 2010, and I heard about the exchange being moved there before that (aka well before the LRT plans). What I've never heard is when anything is supposed to happen. :rolleyes:

[montyhallgoat]

Does anyone know what's happening at the field at 70th and King George? I was told there's machines and gravel so it sounds like something pre-construction. That's where the bus loop was planned to go but there's been silence on it. :shrug:
New Newton Community Centre?
https://www.surrey.ca/about-surrey/capital-projects/newton-community-centre

[Sheba]

New Newton Community Centre?
https://www.surrey.ca/about-surrey/capital-projects/newton-community-centre

That's close - but it's on the west side of King George and the field is on the east side.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/49.1315406,-122.845512/6965+King+George+Blvd,+Surrey,+BC+V3W+5A1/@49.1304042,-122.8461428,611m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m9!4m8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x5485dbccc23a25cf:0x54d14d21e232ff2a!2m2!1d-122.846241!2d49.1292115!3e2!5m1!1e2

[SpongeG]

That is going where to Rona store used to be right? on the west side of KGH? they were talking about it on the radio a few weeks ago, someone, I don't remember if he was new to the council or just a concerned business person in the area and is wanting to get the city to move the community centre to the east side of KGH instead, they don't understand why the city is putting it so far from the newton pool etc. and thinks it makes better sense on the other side.

[Sheba]

That is going where to Rona store used to be right? on the west side of KGH? they were talking about it on the radio a few weeks ago, someone, I don't remember if he was new to the council or just a concerned business person in the area and is wanting to get the city to move the community centre to the east side of KGH instead, they don't understand why the city is putting it so far from the newton pool etc. and thinks it makes better sense on the other side.

Yeah that's the old Rona location.

I'm trying to keep from rolling my eyes now. From what I heard aeons ago now, Newton Exchange would move to the field on the east side of King George and the current exchange plus pool would be redeveloped. From the community centre link above:


The City has plans to build a new community centre in Newton at 6965 King George Boulevard. This new state-of-the-art community hub will be achieved through a multi-phase development with the potential to provide aquatic, cultural, library and recreation services...


Plus I don't remember KGB being miles wide - having it on one side vs the other isn't going to make that much difference. If the exchange does get moved this puts it almost across the street from it.

[GMasterAres]

When I click on the "field" property on Surrey's COSMOS mapping site, it says it is a bus layover being built (under review currently as of 2022). Thus why I figured it was that. Not what they have now but much bigger.

As for the issue with the Rona location, it isn't just an "on the other side of King George" thing so much as the Rona site is 1km walking distance away from the existing facility and wave pool. So they are effectively splitting them up by 1km.

It may not be a bad thing in the long run to spread out the traffic to each facility, but it is definitely not just across the street. King George also will need a redesign at that section to facilitate left turn northbound traffic. If anyone has gone into the Value Village basically next door and tried to turn left to head northbound, it is next to impossible. Add a rec center there and it will be an absolute nightmare. Hopefully (and I don't know the proposal) they are going to connect 70th Ave through and widen it + 136b with proper side walks. It does look like they've done a connection already on the west side, just it terminates as a T intersection at KGB.

The east side is super sketchy right now and completely unsafe for pedestrians:

https://goo.gl/maps/LLhmP8shttdGNgMz6

[Sheba]

When I click on the "field" property on Surrey's COSMOS mapping site, it says it is a bus layover being built (under review currently as of 2022). Thus why I figured it was that. Not what they have now but much bigger.

As for the issue with the Rona location, it isn't just an "on the other side of King George" thing so much as the Rona site is 1km walking distance away from the existing facility and wave pool. So they are effectively splitting them up by 1km.

It may not be a bad thing in the long run to spread out the traffic to each facility, but it is definitely not just across the street. King George also will need a redesign at that section to facilitate left turn northbound traffic. If anyone has gone into the Value Village basically next door and tried to turn left to head northbound, it is next to impossible. Add a rec center there and it will be an absolute nightmare. Hopefully (and I don't know the proposal) they are going to connect 70th Ave through and widen it + 136b with proper side walks. It does look like they've done a connection already on the west side, just it terminates as a T intersection at KGB.

The east side is super sketchy right now and completely unsafe for pedestrians:

https://goo.gl/maps/LLhmP8shttdGNgMz6

Well it looks like they're building an all-encompassing centre with "aquatic, cultural, library and recreation services" and then the existing sites will be redeveloped. Once that happens they won't be split in different buildings up to 1km apart.

I just checked Cosmos (forgot about that) and see that. I really wish they would hurry up and move the exchange there already. That would likely speed up work on King George too as buses would need lights to be able to get into the exchange.

[Equinox71]

New application in North Delta. See for yourself:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52705859464_e11fda8a01_c.jpg

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/application-received-for-multi-tower-redevelopment-of-north-delta-mall/

[officedweller]

That's the same as this one mentioned last November:

https://i.imgur.com/D5YTJMU.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/hWVCw9Q.jpg

Massive proposal for 120st and 80ave was submitted to Delta

https://delta.civicweb.net/filepro/documents/?preview=215287

[madog222]

Has Surrey zoned for similar density on their side of Scott Road?

[Westbased]

Heard from a couple folks that Google has bought or is in-processing of buying all of City Center 5 tower (Health and Tech District across from Surrey Memorial).

Nothing confirmed, but usually where there's smoke...

[Hooknose]

Heard from a couple folks that Google has bought or is in-processing of buying all of City Center 5 tower (Health and Tech District across from Surrey Memorial).

Nothing confirmed, but usually where there's smoke...

Interesting

how big is city centre 5 tower

[officedweller]

Interesting

how big is city centre 5 tower

City Centre 5 is in the background.

CC4 (23 storeys) is in the foreground.

https://images.dailyhive.com/20221114125008/9682-137-Street-Surrey-City-Centre-4-Health-and-Technology-District-Lark-Group-1.jpg
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/10227-king-george-boulevard-surrey-mixed-use-tower?auto=true

[GMasterAres]

I think it is a perspective error in the CGI image that is making building 5 look taller than 4 in the background. If you count the floors, both appear to be basically the same height count wise. There's been a few other developments that used that strange fisheye render perspective thing to make a new building in the front look massively taller when it was exactly the same height.

So I think both buildings will be roughly same height, 23/24 storeys.

Update: Stand corrected I got the two mixed up. Not CGI issue, 4 is _actually_ taller as below. My bad!

[Changing City]

I think it is a perspective error in the CGI image that is making building 5 look taller than 4 in the background. If you count the floors, both appear to be basically the same height count wise. There's been a few other developments that used that strange fisheye render perspective thing to make a new building in the front look massively taller when it was exactly the same height.

So I think both buildings will be roughly same height, 23/24 storeys.

City Centre 4 is the taller 23 storey in the foreground in that picture. City Centre 5 (behind) is five storeys shorter as can be seen in this image. (City Centre 4 on the left, City Centre 5 on the right). There's no detailed permit for City Centre 5 yet, so it could still be bigger than these renders suggest.

https://images.dailyhive.com/20221114163115/city-centre-4-city-centre-5-surrey-lark-group-1.jpg
[Daily Hive (https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-centre-4-office-tower-surrey-lark-group)]

[GMasterAres]

Sorry my bad got them mixed up and 5 storeys then is definitely noticeable. I wonder why they would go shorter. You're right can be changed, but they seemed to be stepping up and further back (tower 5) is inching closer to King George which is all like 40+ storey towers right now going up.

So you'd think the city would want them to continue to step up until they hit Fraser Highway.

[Equinox71]

Took this pic today of the small crane went up at the corner of 132 and 104. While these new buildings are all low rise, this entire block sure is transforming.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52777607937_0d0d0c335a_b.jpg

[Cypherus]

^Nice View. Evolve? Looks like Sequoia will be blocking that view once it is developed. Thank you for the update.

[Equinox71]

^Nice View. Evolve? Looks like Sequoia will be blocking that view once it is developed. Thank you for the update.

Yup, Evolve. Zoomed in for the pic so will still be able to skim over Sequoia by a hair. :) Lower floors will lose views for sure - as well as many to the West with Melrose. Seems like very few views are guaranteed with all the development plans - i.e., Wave and Linea will be entirely boxed in soon enough.

[SpongeG]

Trees Coffee has opened in that condo building just across the street to the west from the library.

[SpongeG]

that strip mall where Pizza Hut used to be on 104th just east of Whalley Blvd has been demolished.

[Canucks223]

I don't recall seeing anything posted on this development project yet (or if it even has its own thread) so thought I'd share this here as I recently discovered the project and this video. The video was posted on Youtube about a year ago.
https://weststonegroup.com/innovation-2/


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[SpongeG]

It seems like such an odd spot for that development, one side is a high school and the other is a Tim Hortons.

[madog222]

It was approved in 2021, looks like only site clearing so far as of February: https://goo.gl/maps/cXVVCTSNmcLgSReU9
"Estimated Completion: 2024" :tup:

Interesting that the 12 storey tower is steel construction, to my untrained eye there's no apparent reason why.

[SpongeG]

the Grand is starting to get up now, has much more impact in person, going to be seeing some height by the end of the summer.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52879769621_046dca203e_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oyNDcT)2023-05-08_12-28-09 (https://flic.kr/p/2oyNDcT) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52879191212_a3155c5172_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oyKFgj)2023-05-08_12-28-03 (https://flic.kr/p/2oyKFgj) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

[hollywoodnorth]

looks like the THIRD tower at Foster-Martin is about to go to market its being called

Landmark at Foster Martin is the name

photo >> https://www.fostermartin.ca/static/media/hero.3b2d473b27545a47eed8.jpg

https://www.fostermartin.ca/

interior

Landmark Premier Properties is pleased to introduce The Landmark at Foster Martin. Residences include thoughtfully curated floorplans, expansive seaside views and a deluxe Miele appliance package. This concluding tower will also offer access to the Foster Martin Shore Club, which includes over 10,000 sq ft of amenities

[SpongeG]

the controversial highrises on 200th in Langley are getting some height, when you come from the north and head south it is much higher looking, this is from the South West and doesn't read as high from this side.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52898654496_3bb392b01c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oAtr2b)2023-05-14_07-41-53 (https://flic.kr/p/2oAtr2b) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52899046480_56cf5312cf_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oAvrxw)2023-05-14_07-41-47 (https://flic.kr/p/2oAvrxw) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

[montyhallgoat]

the controversial highrises on 200th in Langley are getting some height, when you come from the north and head south it is much higher looking, this is from the South West and doesn't read as high from this side.
Thanks for the photo update!

Those towers on 86 Ave are different than the controversial 45-storey tower proposed on 82 Ave.
82 Ave 45-storey tower has been shelved after the residents of adjacent midrise buildings developed by the same company complained to them.

[madog222]

It's going to be weird seeing those driving along Hwy 1.

[CoryHolmes]

It's going to be weird seeing those driving along Hwy 1.

Ain't it just??? I've lived in Whalley for 20 years and every now and then I have to pinch myself when I walk along 104 or KG and 100th cuz none of those buildings used to be there!

[Equinox71]

Took this pic of Melrose yesterday - tower is on the 8th floor now - moving fast.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52908843697_55605e62a6_b.jpg

[SpongeG]

Got a pic from the north side of the ones going up in Langley

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52913689600_12b1c129a1_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oBNur7)2023-05-20_10-37-06 (https://flic.kr/p/2oBNur7) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

[hollywoodnorth]

not sure if a rendering of the New Surrey (Cloverdale) Hospital has been posted yet ..... looks taller than the new St Pauls.

https://www.fraserhealth.ca/-/media/Project/FraserHealth/FraserHealth/Your-Community/New-Surrey-Hospital-project/NSHBCCCRendering1disclaimer.jpg

pic from >> https://www.fraserhealth.ca/your-community/surrey/new-surrey-hospital-project/photo-gallery

also


https://www.infrastructurebc.com/projects/announced-in-procurement/new-surrey-hospital-cancer-centre/

Milestones
Request for Qualifications issued November 24, 2021
Request for Qualifications closed March 17, 2022
Request for Proposals issued June 30, 2022
Request for Proposals closed December 2022
Contract award June 2023
Construction to begin July 2023
Construction completed Substantial Completion April 2027

[SFUVancouver]

Good to see the project is being sized for a growing region. Not the nicest looking building, but function trumps form for hospitals.

[osirisboy]

Good to see the project is being sized for a growing region. Not the nicest looking building, but function trumps form for hospitals.

I disagree. It can be functional AND attractive looking and stay in budget.

[Sheba]

I disagree. It can be functional AND attractive looking and stay in budget.

Do you have any examples of budget friendly attractive looking hospitals in Canada?

[mcj]

Good to see the project is being sized for a growing region. Not the nicest looking building, but function trumps form for hospitals.

While I'm sure there's better examples, this isn't that bad, it still looks better than almost every other hospital in BC.

[osirisboy]

Do you have any examples of budget friendly attractive looking hospitals in Canada?

Top of my head, Montreal and Toronto have some decent ones.

The thing with the hospitals here is they could just simplify them, making them cleaner looking. Reducing all the gimmicky elements would reduce the cost

Just my personal preference I guess

[vanman]

All our new hospitals/expansions are pretty hideous. This new Cloverdale hospital seems to be the exception although by no means is it great.

[GMD]

Top of my head, Montreal and Toronto have some decent ones.

The thing with the hospitals here is they could just simplify them, making them cleaner looking. Reducing all the gimmicky elements would reduce the cost

Just my personal preference I guess

Agree 100%, clean up the busy-ness and re-direct the savings from doing that to better finishes.

It is depressing to think we could build St. Paul's 100 years ago, and now we build ugly, dog's breakfast messes like this.

[madog222]

Top of my head, Montreal and Toronto have some decent ones.

The thing with the hospitals here is they could just simplify them, making them cleaner looking. Reducing all the gimmicky elements would reduce the cost

Just my personal preference I guess

What do you mean my simplify? These new hospitals look as simple and practical as possible.


Agree 100%, clean up the busy-ness and re-direct the savings from doing that to better finishes.

It is depressing to think we could build St. Paul's 100 years ago, and now we build ugly, dog's breakfast messes like this.
The original St Paul’s building is functionally not a hospital by contemporary standards and hasn’t been for decades. To think of how much improvement has been seen in the equipment and systems that make up a contemporary hospital should be the opposite of depressing.

[GMD]

What do you mean my simplify? These new hospitals look as simple and practical as possible.

Well, speaking for myself, not Osirisboy here, but just look at this thing, you've got glass with some sort of metal vertical bars on the bottom floor or two of one facade, except the lowest part doesn't have the vertical bars, you've got some sort of grey squares with square windows for four floors on another facade, then you've got some vertical rectangles of different shades of grey with some vertical wooden bars and randomly placed windows higher up, but interrupted by a floor with a fully opaque facade, albeit still with random wooden vertical bars, then you've got some brick(?) corner stairwells, but with different proportions, on opposite corners, you've got some sort of rectangular carve-out of a rectangular balcony for a small part of the top 3 floors on one side, and so on.

You have to think it would be cheaper to pick a theme and stick to it, with a symmetrical massing and deisng, and then put the savings into better finishes and end up with a much nicer looking final product.

[GMD]

To think of how much improvement has been seen in the equipment and systems that make up a contemporary hospital should be the opposite of depressing.

Who said anything about equipment and systems, we are talking about how the building looks.

[madog222]

Which obviously has nothing to do with the function of the building.

[GMD]

Which obviously has nothing to do with the function of the building.

I don't see why having modern hospital equipment on the inside requires the architect to mix together nine different styles and a bunch of architectural gimmicks on the outside of the building.

I can see that it is efficient to have large floorplates and a 'blocky' structure to a hospital building, but that still seems to leave plenty of opportunity to build something that doesn't look awful.

[osirisboy]

Which obviously has nothing to do with the function of the building.

Yeah that’s our point with the new hospital. There is a ton of things that serve zero functionality. And if it’s all about budget than I’d rather them scrap it and do a cleaner design.

[SpongeG]

I don't see why having modern hospital equipment on the inside requires the architect to mix together nine different styles and a bunch of architectural gimmicks on the outside of the building.

I can see that it is efficient to have large floorplates and a 'blocky' structure to a hospital building, but that still seems to leave plenty of opportunity to build something that doesn't look awful.

I think people would get very angry if they found out that so much money was spent on making the building look good, when it comes to public buildings like hospitals they can't be too flashy or nice but the money needs to be seen as being spent on patient treatment first.

[GMD]

I think people would get very angry if they found out that so much money was spent on making the building look good, when it comes to public buildings like hospitals they can't be too flashy or nice but the money needs to be seen as being spent on patient treatment first.

Yes, but the point is, it should be possible to make it look better without spending any more money than they are as it is. By simplifying/cleaning up the design to not have so many conflicting and unnecessary elements and spending the money saved on better finishes, better details. I mean, I guess there is a risk that if it doesn't look ugly, the philistines will assume it must have cost a lot extra to not be ugly and will be upset, even though it didn't cost any extra, but you can only humour people so far.

Again, depressing to think St. Paul's could be built a century ago, but this is the best we can do (from an aesthetics/outward appearance perspective) today.

[superelevation]

Wanted to chime in with some major new hospitals in the East

Chum in Montreal is crazy, it's enormous: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/CHUM_depuis_l%27avenue_Viger.jpg/1200px-CHUM_depuis_l%27avenue_Viger.jpg

The McGill Hospital is quite large too: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/60b65cd3aeafdc5402512284/f03ba422-4ead-4f0e-84a7-1cd308fa7d28/McGill-Glen-Site.jpeg

Toronto's newest large hospital is the Humber River Hospital:https://hcr-moves.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/humber-lg.jpg

[Migrant_Coconut]

Yeesh - Montreal, pick just two or three colours and stick to them.

[Sheba]

Yes, but the point is, it should be possible to make it look better without spending any more money than they are as it is. By simplifying/cleaning up the design to not have so many conflicting and unnecessary elements and spending the money saved on better finishes, better details. I mean, I guess there is a risk that if it doesn't look ugly, the philistines will assume it must have cost a lot extra to not be ugly and will be upset, even though it didn't cost any extra, but you can only humour people so far.

Again, depressing to think St. Paul's could be built a century ago, but this is the best we can do (from an aesthetics/outward appearance perspective) today.

I sent a short e-mail to the BC gov complaining about how it looks (and copied a few comments from here, esp from you). If enough people do that they might make it, well less hideous. :shrug:

[SpongeG]

Yeesh - Montreal, pick just two or three colours and stick to them.

haha have you seen that one in London England?

[SpongeG]

the seating is coming along at Bear Creek

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52939219375_94c12b08d4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oE4kxD)2023-05-30_04-38-57 (https://flic.kr/p/2oE4kxD) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52938830386_178573fb3a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oE2kUW)2023-05-30_04-38-52 (https://flic.kr/p/2oE2kUW) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

[SpongeG]

slowly getting more action, this site of a 6-storey condo called Amaya (https://amayaliving.ca/) is getting going now. 108th and 140th. This is the furthest east along this two-block stretch with multiple projects going up. it is kitty-corner to Viktor.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52939887405_957949009e_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oE7L8p)2023-05-31_12-15-56 (https://flic.kr/p/2oE7L8p) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52939954928_13f0eea878_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oE87cA)2023-05-31_12-16-01 (https://flic.kr/p/2oE87cA) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

[officedweller]

looks like the THIRD tower at Foster-Martin is about to go to market its being called

Landmark at Foster Martin is the name


Here's a pic with the 2 existing towers (at rear) and the new one in front.
Looks like there's a park on the corner?
(hopefully not just a placeholder?)

https://d2kcmk0r62r1qk.cloudfront.net/imageSponsors/xlarge/2023_06_02_04_37_26_2023_06_02_04_37_26_316_9e9be6b7-1979-476e-ac0f-0a9da3febee6.webp
https://www.livabl.com/white-rock-bc/foster-martin--the-landmark

[mcj]

Looks like there's a park on the corner?
(hopefully not just a placeholder?)


Seems like it's not just a placeholder, here's a site plan showing it as part of the third phase along with the third tower:https://www.whiterockcity.ca/DocumentCenter/View/2612/Foster-Martin-1484-Martin-Street---Construction-Management-Plan

[officedweller]

Nice, thanks.

[SpongeG]

I wish there was just one taller tower in that area, you can see them in some places along the I5 when leaving Ferndale, but one could be just a little bit taller...

Theone on KGH near 108th/Gateway is really rising now, as is the one by the strip club, should get quite some height by the fall.

[mcj]

I wish there was just one taller tower in that area, you can see them in some places along the I5 when leaving Ferndale, but one could be just a little bit taller...

Theone on KGH near 108th/Gateway is really rising now, as is the one by the strip club, should get quite some height by the fall.

I wish too, but it's White Rock, the opposition to even these small towers was ridiculously fervent. Even Surrey walked down their height limits for the Semiahmoo community plan, though there is still a porvision for a "landmark building" in it at the corner of 16th and 152nd. Although all other towers on the Surrey side will max out at 28 storeys, assuming there's no exceptions. https://www.surrey.ca/renovating-building-development/land-planning-development/land-use-planning/south-surrey-land-use-plans/semiahmoo-town-centre-plan

[fredinno]

I wish too, but it's White Rock, the opposition to even these small towers was ridiculously fervent. Even Surrey walked down their height limits for the Semiahmoo community plan, though there is still a porvision for a "landmark building" in it at the corner of 16th and 152nd. Although all other towers on the Surrey side will max out at 28 storeys, assuming there's no exceptions. https://www.surrey.ca/renovating-building-development/land-planning-development/land-use-planning/south-surrey-land-use-plans/semiahmoo-town-centre-plan

There seem to still be more towers going up on the White Rock side vs the Surrey side. :shrug:

[officedweller]

13425 107A Avenue

From Daily Hive:

Northwest Development is seeking permission to develop its site into two towers, with the west tower reaching about 509 ft with 50 storeys and the east tower reaching 459 ft with 46 storeys, including base podiums up to nine storeys.
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/13425-107a-avenue-surrey-skytrain-gateway-station

https://images.dailyhive.com/20230714141928/13425-107A-Avenue-Surrey-Gateway-Station-4.jpg
Artistic rendering of 13425 107A Avenue, Surrey. (Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership/Northwest Development)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/13425-107a-avenue-surrey-skytrain-gateway-station


https://images.dailyhive.com/20230714141931/13425-107A-Avenue-Surrey-Gateway-Station-3.jpg
Artistic rendering of 13425 107A Avenue, Surrey. (Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership/Northwest Development)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/13425-107a-avenue-surrey-skytrain-gateway-station

https://images.dailyhive.com/20230714141919/13425-107A-Avenue-Surrey-Gateway-Station-1.jpg
Landscaping plan for the rooftops and ground level of 13425 107A Avenue, Surrey. (Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership/Northwest Development)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/13425-107a-avenue-surrey-skytrain-gateway-station

https://images.dailyhive.com/20230714141933/13425-107A-Avenue-Surrey-Gateway-Station-2.jpg
Artistic rendering of 13425 107A Avenue, Surrey. (Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership/Northwest Development)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/13425-107a-avenue-surrey-skytrain-gateway-station

https://images.dailyhive.com/20230714141927/13425-107A-Avenue-Surrey-Gateway-Station-5.jpg
Artistic rendering of 13425 107A Avenue, Surrey. (Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership/Northwest Development)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/13425-107a-avenue-surrey-skytrain-gateway-station

[CoryHolmes]

I like it!

... I'll never be able to afford to live there, but I still like it!

[SpongeG]

nice addition to the Gateway area.

[kja384]

Anyone following the Concord Piano project? I don't live in metro van but I've been watching in awe as Surrey develops. Took a look on Google Maps and I can see that they might be starting on it.

10547 City Parkway and 13468 105A Avenue

https://concordpiano.ca/

[Lexus]

Anyone following the Concord Piano project? I don't live in metro van but I've been watching in awe as Surrey develops. Took a look on Google Maps and I can see that they might be starting on it.

10547 City Parkway and 13468 105A Avenue

https://concordpiano.ca/

Was there recently. Didn’t see anything.

[CoryHolmes]

Anyone following the Concord Piano project? I don't live in metro van but I've been watching in awe as Surrey develops. Took a look on Google Maps and I can see that they might be starting on it.

10547 City Parkway and 13468 105A Avenue

https://concordpiano.ca/

I stopped by their booth at the Fusion Festival this weekend. The minion there said the entire interior was being redesigned, the whole floorplate is being changed to add more 1 and 1+ bedroom units. He expects them to go on sale in October, and to break ground soon thereafter.

[SpongeG]

any news on the Thind project? they cut down all the trees a while ago and the site looks barren and the signage on the fencing is falling off and not being kept up. Their Richmond project got canceled, is this Surrey one going to suffer the same fate?

[Zepfancouver]

Here's a pic with the 2 existing towers (at rear) and the new one in front.
Looks like there's a park on the corner?
(hopefully not just a placeholder?)
...
https://www.livabl.com/white-rock-bc/foster-martin--the-landmark

Tomorrow, I'm working a retail space at the Foster Martin (1463 Foster St.), I'll take pictures.

[Zepfancouver]

looks like the THIRD tower at Foster-Martin is about to go to market its being called
Landmark at Foster Martin is the name
photo >> https://www.fostermartin.ca/static/media/hero.3b2d473b27545a47eed8.jpg
https://www.fostermartin.ca/
interior
Landmark Premier Properties is pleased to introduce The Landmark at Foster Martin. Residences include thoughtfully curated floorplans, expansive seaside views and a deluxe Miele appliance package. This concluding tower will also offer access to the Foster Martin Shore Club, which includes over 10,000 sq ft of amenities
Today, working an office space on the second floor of the Foster (Northeast) tower.

https://i.imgur.com/wVIuHUV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rbznKvd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UMfrRV2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XPhboUZ.jpg

Rendering from The Landmark at Foster Martin homepage
https://i.imgur.com/U8TrH4t.jpg
https://www.fostermartin.ca/foster-martin/

https://i.imgur.com/NQ3c8G5.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XOwoWjW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/C42ZLxp.jpg

Vancouver and Burnaby need to ' keep up with the Joneses ' White Rock are showing how to do it :tup:

https://i.imgur.com/zqBHQYa.jpg

Just being artsy :photographer: with the Foster (Northeast) tower.
https://i.imgur.com/ESf7y5j.jpg

[officedweller]

Nice shots, thanks!
Cool that the next tower's footings are already up to grade.

[osirisboy]

The light strips that run up the buildings have had sections on each that have never turned on. There’s a number of other weird deficiencies that have never been fixed as well. Hopefully that can eventually get resolved

[kja384]

Any word on the Plaza 104 development? I can see on google maps that the site has been cleared.

Seeing all these proposals go through really show how much this area could change in the next 10 years, with Plaza 104, the Janda tower, Georgetown, and the 22-0372 which was approved recently.

[SpongeG]

Viktor at 108 and 140

August 20
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53130504217_dc8b6a4d58_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oWXHSa)2023-08-20_10-24-41 (https://flic.kr/p/2oWXHSa) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

[logicbomb]

Viktor at 108 and 140

August 20
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53130504217_dc8b6a4d58_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oWXHSa)2023-08-20_10-24-41 (https://flic.kr/p/2oWXHSa) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

It was a hard decision but I elected to forego it as an investment property.

Good rental potential but the build quality will probably be on par with the Quatro which sucks. Also had concerns the lack of commercial/business zoning at this intersection. I fear this stretch along 108th Avenue between 139 Avenue and 141 Avenue will turn up like how the area North and West of Guildford mall ended up. You need some merchants or amenities within these zones to make the area feel more secure.

[seamusmcduff]

It's pretty ridiculous no commercial is required at this intersection. Both the CC and guildford plans have a pathetic level of commercial required outside their main cores. Doesn't make for great walkablility.