Surrey/South Fraser Updates

[Equinox71]

Took some pics of the Melrose crane going up today (133rd and Central Ave) - maybe time for its own thread?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52277827081_ab39a787cd_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52278096624_3ab5e58593_b.jpg

[cairnstone]

I thought I heard the building wasn't to code and that's one of the reasons that it's sat empty for so many years. If that's the case, might be that the City hasn't provided any occupancy to the new owner. But also leasing that whole place within two months sounded like a scam more than anything. There's a lot of empty leased spots around Central that are in better locations.

the building is just base build so all the mechanical etc is just at roughin stage no finished plumbing as it was spec built and the tenant would complete the project with their GC. But since its been sitting so long I’m sure there will need to be some upgrades over and above standard TI works.

[Changing City]

There appears to be only one new proposal for towers in Surrey so far in 2022. (There are several earlier projects in the Surrey Central area where detailed designs are being announced, but no new projects). Interestingly, the scheme is in Fleetwood, where Dawson and Sawyer have submitted an initial project with two 38 storey towers at 15780 Fraser Highway, next to their Fleetwood Village lowrise condo development.

[hollywoodnorth]

There appears to be only one new proposal for towers in Surrey so far in 2022. (There are several earlier projects in the Surrey Central area where detailed designs are being announced, but no new projects). Interestingly, the scheme is in Fleetwood, where Dawson and Sawyer have submitted an initial project with two 38 storey towers at 15780 Fraser Highway, next to their Fleetwood Village lowrise condo development.

and the Fleetwood rollout starts!

do you have a link on that new two tower proposal?

[Changing City]

and the Fleetwood rollout starts!

do you have a link on that new two tower proposal?

Nothing to link to yet except the Surrey list of current rezonings (https://www.surrey.ca/sites/default/files/media/documents/REZONING-IN-PROCESS.pdf).

[brophy87]

Vandelay Industries is back in action

https://www.reddit.com/r/SurreyBC/comments/wth3hd/seinfelds_george_costanza_developed_a_townhouse/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[Westbased]

Just under 4,000 units proposed on King George and 80th Avenue by Dawson Sawyer. Absolutely massive project over what appears to be 15 six-story buildings.

To bad the LRT didn't go through, perhaps a skytrain may make sense in a few years...

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=22&seq=0222

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=22&seq=0221

[Sheba]

Just under 4,000 units proposed on King George and 80th Avenue by Dawson Sawyer. Absolutely massive project over what appears to be 15 six-story buildings.

To bad the LRT didn't go through, perhaps a skytrain may make sense in a few years...

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=22&seq=0222

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=22&seq=0221

It's the two trailer parks at 78th and King George. It'll be a massive upzoning of the area. Hopefully 77th, 78th and / or 79th are extended to 138th as that would help build the street grid out.

[Westbased]

It's the two trailer parks at 78th and King George. It'll be a massive upzoning of the area. Hopefully 77th, 78th and / or 79th are extended to 138th as that would help build the street grid out.

Hmmm, highly unlikely as there is a creek that runs all along the back of the site from north to south. City of Surrey has gone nuclear when it comes to preventing any activity within 15-30 meters of a creek in my experience.

At final build out this likely means all resident traffic will be onto King George.

[Sheba]

Hmmm, highly unlikely as there is a creek that runs all along the back of the site from north to south. City of Surrey has gone nuclear when it comes to preventing any activity within 15-30 meters of a creek in my experience.

At final build out this likely means all resident traffic will be onto King George.

They're doing it with 84th - it'll cross Bear Creek.

I suspect they'll use 78th as an internal street for accessing all the buildings. There's a walkway for 79th and it travels right past an elementary school so that's iffy but possible. I have no idea if they'd do 77th or not.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Just under 4,000 units proposed on King George and 80th Avenue by Dawson Sawyer. Absolutely massive project over what appears to be 15 six-story buildings.

To bad the LRT didn't go through, perhaps a skytrain may make sense in a few years...

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=22&seq=0222

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=22&seq=0221

That's pretty much pre-SkyTrain Central Broadway density; the R1's getting full BRT status any day now, so transportation shouldn't be a problem.

[GMasterAres]

It's not a creek it is a brook (Hunt Brook) that runs through that stretch and it originates basically from a storm drain behind one of the trailer parks (I used to go into the storm drain with friends as a stupid kid growing up). While I applaud maintaining eco corridors, that whole stretch especially with the increased density needs a few more connections. At least one at 80th Ave and possibly 78th could go a long ways to improving general traffic in Newton.

Right now your only east-west routes between 140 and KGB are @ 74th and then 88th (until 84th is pushed through finally) but even with 84th that is 10 Surrey blocks or roughly 20-25 Vancouver blocks.

Could you imagine going anywhere in Vancouver and needing to go North/South 25 blocks before you could go East/West 4 blocks?

:yuck:

[mcj]

Could you imagine going anywhere in Vancouver and needing to go North/South 25 blocks before you could go East/West 4 blocks?


Yes, unfortunately. Marpole is this way and all of South Vancouver between Marine and 49th Ave has no East-West bus service. Not to mention the 16 block gaps between 41st Ave and King Ed west of Cambie with no East-West bus service, despite having a fully connected 33rd Ave available. East Van between Broadway and Hastings is another large gap with no East-West service on 1st ave.

[Sheba]

Yes, unfortunately. Marpole is this way and all of South Vancouver between Marine and 49th Ave has no East-West bus service. Not to mention the 16 block gaps between 41st Ave and King Ed west of Cambie with no East-West bus service, despite having a fully connected 33rd Ave available. East Van between Broadway and Hastings is another large gap with no East-West service on 1st ave.

That's by bus vs this is by car. The east - west bus service is even worse in Surrey.

[Changing City]

Right now your only east-west routes between 140 and KGB are @ 74th and then 88th (until 84th is pushed through finally) but even with 84th that is 10 Surrey blocks or roughly 20-25 Vancouver blocks.

Could you imagine going anywhere in Vancouver and needing to go North/South 25 blocks before you could go East/West 4 blocks?

In Vancouver a similar situation exists between Main Street and Clark Drive. There are no north-south routes between Prior and Terminal/E 1st - which is actually a greater distance than 74th to 84th in Surrey. There are also no north/south routes between Terminal/E 1st and Great Northern Way either - that's also over 2km with no route north/south.

[GMasterAres]

In Vancouver a similar situation exists between Main Street and Clark Drive. There are no north-south routes between Prior and Terminal/E 1st - which is actually a greater distance than 74th to 84th in Surrey. There are also no north/south routes between Terminal/E 1st and Great Northern Way either - that's also over 2km with no route north/south.

Yah and that section absolutely sucks to navigate in traffic especially rush hour. :cool:

[hollywoodnorth]

Interesting Guildford strata wind up (has sold already) that will see the tear down of a Built in 1994 / 20 floor tower.

http://stratagone.com/images/camelot2.jpg
http://stratagone.com/images/sryimage.png

http://stratagone.com/camelot.htm

[SpongeG]

Group 161 Architecture has signs asll over Surrey for projects its designed, such as Viktor on 108th.

I was curious as I see their name a lot and looked them up and saw this one they designed for 9711 – 137 St. | Surrey, BC.
It is between King George Station and the Hospital. Mixed use. It is at the development permit stage.

https://group161.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/cam_04c.jpg

https://group161.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/cam_01c-e1651268908424.jpg

imagesL group161.com

[SpongeG]

Also from them is this one called Sequoia. It is also in the development permit process.

133 St. & 104 Ave. | Surrey, BC.

https://group161.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/01.RGB_color-copy.jpg

https://group161.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/05.RGB_color-copy.jpg

https://group161.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/06.RGB_color-copy.jpg

group161.com

[Changing City]

Group 161 Architecture has signs asll over Surrey for projects its designed, such as Viktor on 108th.

I was curious as I see their name a lot and looked them up and saw this one they designed for 9711 – 137 St. | Surrey, BC.
It is between King George Station and the Hospital. Mixed use. It is at the development permit stage.

It's a marketing thing. The fine print says "Group 161 is not an architectural firm, all architectural services are provided through our firms that hold the certificate of practice". The firms are DF Architecture, Atelier Pacific Architecture and Barnett Dembek Architects. Sequoia is designed by DF.

DF also designed the 9711 137 St tower; there is an office building proposed only a couple of years ago (https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/9711-137-street-surrey-office-tower) at that address.

EDIT - the 137 St project seems to be an office and 'student accommodation' tower that Jayen Properties are planning. They claim to have been around a while as RBI Group, and as well as this 36 storey tower they are the developer that bought The Source and the Cobalt, on Main St, which they seem to think they can redevelop as a 20-storey long-term rental and hotel. (The rental will have to be non-market SRO replacement under current City policy, so we'll see how that works out). So far as Jayen they have a presales townhouse project in Willowbrook that looks to have a lot of future phases. The President also heads PHI Hotel Group.

[SpongeG]

Sep 25.

I forgot the name of this one, it's next to the strip bar on Whalley blvd. just off 104th.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52385240500_f67c4d53af_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nP73VJ)2022-09-25_10-16-11 (https://flic.kr/p/2nP73VJ) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52385120469_80d5f8a61f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nP6rfe)2022-09-25_10-16-18 (https://flic.kr/p/2nP6rfe) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

And this is the Flamingo on Whalley blvd near 108th.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52383877617_86c5b5bf0d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nNZ4MK)2022-09-25_10-16-07 (https://flic.kr/p/2nNZ4MK) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52383877552_9104496d33_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nNZ4LC)2022-09-25_10-16-02 (https://flic.kr/p/2nNZ4LC) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52385120184_b1cd92162f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nP6raj)2022-09-25_10-15-57 (https://flic.kr/p/2nP6raj) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52385052498_be709f941c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nP663j)2022-09-25_10-15-51 (https://flic.kr/p/2nP663j) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

[Equinox71]

Sep 25.

I forgot the name of this one, it's next to the strip bar on Whalley blvd. just off 104th.



That would be Ascent: https://ownyourascent.com
Thanks for the photo updates.

[GMasterAres]

Those renders from Group 161 are terrible and distorted. Are they trying to make them look taller/bigger at the top? Makes my eyes go crossed eyed since the perspective is so wrong.

[jollyburger]

https://www.urbanyvr.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/20220824_Westland-King-George-Blvd_3-696x500.jpeg

67-storey office and residential tower planned in Surrey

A 67-storey, mixed-use condominium and office tower is proposed for Surrey City Centre by Westland Living.

According to Chris Dikeakos Architects, the upcoming development at King George Boulevard and 102 Avenue will include:

Approximately 200,000 square feet of office and retail space within the first seven floors of the podium;
Full-floor amenity spaces on both level 8 and level 66
746 residential units
seven levels of underground parking
FAR/FSR (floor area/space ratio) of 10.73, including 2.95 commercial
The design of the tower with its distinctive, illuminated crown is inspired by nearby landmark buildings including the Central City office tower and Surrey Public Library.


https://www.urbanyvr.com/surrey-westland-living-tower/

[Spr0ckets]

......



https://www.urbanyvr.com/surrey-westland-living-tower/

A couple more images from your source......

Looks like it was an 7 storey podium.

https://www.urbanyvr.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/AKS_26-Photo-960x540.jpeg

https://www.urbanyvr.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/AKS_24-Photo.jpeg

[Westbased]

Hmmm, not a fan of that podium for such a prominent corner.

[officedweller]

I do like the setbacks from the street though. The concave facade creates a sense of 'place' in front of it.

[scryer]

I actually quite like it.

The crown certainly breaks away from what we are use to across the Lower Mainland.

Now whether it gets constructed to match the renders is a whole other story, but...

[CoryHolmes]

That render shows the tower sitting on flat ground, but 102 curves up into a hill. Which will it end up being?

[officedweller]

That render shows the tower sitting on flat ground, but 102 curves up into a hill. Which will it end up being?

The ceiling height of the ground floor retail looks tall enough to accommodate a rising sidewalk.

[Cypherus]

Noticing that the podium is consistent with the 'Core' a block away. As we recall GEC tower also has a large podium. Similar podiums help create uniformity at street level with the surrounding developments, especially ones by the same developer.

https://d2kcmk0r62r1qk.cloudfront.net/imageSponsors/xlarge/2022_09_07_09_53_10_2022-08-30_-_core_-_hero_1_-_draft_3_1.jpg
https://www.westlandliving.ca/homes

[Spr0ckets]

Noticing that the podium is consistent with the 'Core' a block away. As we recall GEC tower also has a large podium. Similar podiums help create uniformity at street level with the surrounding developments, especially ones by the same developer.

.....

..,..and the same architect.

Dikeakos is also designing that tower as well, if I remember correctly.

[officedweller]

That's a decent podium height for a downtown (compared to some in downtown Vancouver).

[Sheba]

Surrey council approves inclusive housing project more than a year after rejecting it (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-council-votes-in-favour-harmony-housing-project-1.6607833)

91-unit Harmony project approved in final council meeting before election

[Metro-One]

Noticing that the podium is consistent with the 'Core' a block away. As we recall GEC tower also has a large podium. Similar podiums help create uniformity at street level with the surrounding developments, especially ones by the same developer.

https://d2kcmk0r62r1qk.cloudfront.net/imageSponsors/xlarge/2022_09_07_09_53_10_2022-08-30_-_core_-_hero_1_-_draft_3_1.jpg
https://www.westlandliving.ca/homes

When is this tower moving ahead? I love the location and design.

[Changing City]

When is this tower moving ahead? I love the location and design.

It's 'in pre-construction' which usually translates as 'we're trying to sell enough of the 429 units to be able to build it'. No construction date: BuzzBuzzHome says 'The development is scheduled for completion in 2027'. So that's the earliest it might complete - so maybe a 2024 start?

[Metro-One]

Thanks for the info, so at least it is in sales phase and not just a vision.

[dferch]

The existing convenience store on this property recently did a renovation/ownership change, so I'm guessing it'll be there for a while

[Equinox71]

The two strip malls in the 13700 block of 104th Ave are now boarded up (save for one business at the very Southern tip).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52416991875_7dc2a61610_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52416031642_aa7fe8ba43_c.jpg

[CoryHolmes]

Noticing that the podium is consistent with the 'Core' a block away. As we recall GEC tower also has a large podium. Similar podiums help create uniformity at street level with the surrounding developments, especially ones by the same developer.

https://d2kcmk0r62r1qk.cloudfront.net/imageSponsors/xlarge/2022_09_07_09_53_10_2022-08-30_-_core_-_hero_1_-_draft_3_1.jpg
https://www.westlandliving.ca/homes

I just noticed the location of this. It's going where Top Kings and Umami is currently. I was thrown by how small the render makes 3 Civic Plaza look :cool:

[SpongeG]

that building on 104th has been having some work done, there are now some new walls inside on the second level. Some other stuff seems to be going on and there lights on inside at night now.

[cairnstone]

that building on 104th has been having some work done, there are now some new walls inside on the second level. Some other stuff seems to be going on and there lights on inside at night now.

I believe it was sold back in the spring. So it may finally turn into something. It’s only been roughly 20 years its been under construction

[SpongeG]

yea the new owner said it was 100% leased way back in the spring and that a brand new high-end grocery store was moving in and some kind of sports place was going to open and some government offices etc. And then nothing happened for months. Then all the banners changed from saying 100% leased to For lease, seeming all that was announced wasn't going to happen. Some of the places were supposed to open in the summer of 2022. At least it's got something happening now.

[e-clam9]

IMF said Canada may go into a recession soon. Is that why ?? Let's hope for world peace, low inflation, and low interest rate again.... The world economy needs that.

[Westbased]

Unfortunately it can't always be low rates and money printing.

Next 18-24 months will be shaky - mortgage rates will be ~6% by end of year.

[SpongeG]

I drove past a couple times today, there is a structure being built on the plaza, looks like a temporary construction type building. Lights are on, inside, you can see that office spaces are coming along.

[Equinox71]

Not sure if this has been posted somewhere yet, but came across this for the high-rise planned for where the carwash was at 104th and 138a Ave. The name of the project is Juno. See for yourselves:

https://www.streetsidebc.com/projects/juno/

[officedweller]

Not sure if this has been posted somewhere yet, but came across this for the high-rise planned for where the carwash was at 104th and 138a Ave. The name of the project is Juno. See for yourselves:

https://www.streetsidebc.com/projects/juno/

Looks good, thanks.

https://i.imgur.com/fvUAwmW.png
https://www.streetsidebc.com/projects/juno/

[Greetingsfromcanada]

Google maps recently updated a lot of metro van. Whalley is only from a couple weeks ago now

[cairnstone]

Unfortunately it can't always be low rates and money printing.

Next 18-24 months will be shaky - mortgage rates will be ~6% by end of year.

This is all cause and effect. Globally Central banks lowered interest rates to low at the beginning of covid and left them low to long causing a surge of upside down mortgages as money was free. Now Interest has to go back up to 4 to 5 % which is still low interest. Let the banks eat their bad loans

[mcj]

Google maps recently updated a lot of metro van. Whalley is only from a couple weeks ago now

Are you referring to streetview? Mapview is still showing years old images for Surrey & New West.

[Greetingsfromcanada]

Are you referring to streetview? Mapview is still showing years old images for Surrey & New West.


No way. At least in the app, it's brand new

https://i.imgur.com/O5IqJoF.jpg

[Changing City]

No way. At least in the app, it's brand new

That's not the view they give you on the browser version though. (At least, not yet).

[mcj]

That's not the view they give you on the browser version though. (At least, not yet).

Yeah was looking on browser views myself. Good to know that the app views are updated though!

[jlove390]

Construction begins on 23-storey office tower next to Surrey Memorial Hospital (City Centre 4)

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-centre-4-office-tower-surrey-lark-group

[Metro-One]

Okay... so odd how we hear about some tower projects for what seems like a decade with no movement, and then a similar sized office tower just starts from what seems thin air...

[Changing City]

Okay... so odd how we hear about some tower projects for what seems like a decade with no movement, and then a similar sized office tower just starts from what seems thin air...

It's was submitted at the end of last year (http://surreycitycentre.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/City-Centre-Update-2021-12-Updated.pdf), and it's not all office - there is also lab space. But they have moved quickly, no doubt maintaining momentum from the success of selling / leasing their third building. It's good to finally have office space under construction in Surrey - there was none in Q2 2022.

[EhJay]

Any chance at a new thread for Building 4?

[Flynn86]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-centre-4-office-tower-surrey-lark-group came across this today

[officedweller]

Construction begins on 23-storey office tower next to Surrey Memorial Hospital (City Centre 4)

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-centre-4-office-tower-surrey-lark-group

Tower 4 in foreground, Tower 5 in background:

https://images.dailyhive.com/20221114125008/9682-137-Street-Surrey-City-Centre-4-Health-and-Technology-District-Lark-Group-1.jpg
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-centre-4-office-tower-surrey-lark-group

https://images.dailyhive.com/20221114125001/9682-137-Street-Surrey-City-Centre-4-Health-and-Technology-District-Lark-Group-4.jpg
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-centre-4-office-tower-surrey-lark-group

[Jatt jatt]

http://surreycitycentre.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/City-Centre-Update-2022-11.pdf

[Klazu]

https://images.dailyhive.com/20221114125001/9682-137-Street-Surrey-City-Centre-4-Health-and-Technology-District-Lark-Group-4.jpg
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-centre-4-office-tower-surrey-lark-group

Is there really that much elevation change on this lot? In my mind Surrey Central is almost completely flat.

[Metro-One]

Surrey has quite a large range in elevation, from sea level to about 200 metres I think?

It’s more of a rolling topography with broad flat peaks and valleys.

[Snow_Wolf]

Surrey has quite a large range in elevation, from sea level to about 200 metres I think?

It’s more of a rolling topography with broad flat peaks and valleys.

That describes most of Metro Vancouver honestly. I had to walk a couple kilometres in East Vancouver to pick up something from Craigslist once and it surprised me how hilly it was.

[Sheba]

Is there really that much elevation change on this lot? In my mind Surrey Central is almost completely flat.

I checked on a topographic map and there's an elevation change of 10m. It's hard to see on street view as it's gradual vs a short steep hill.

[SpongeG]

Whalley Blvd between 108th and 104th is visibily higher from KGH when walking along it, it's very subtle but you really do look down to KGH.

This particular area by the hospital is a slight hill, to get there from the skytrain you ascend a set of stairs that was added in the last year or so. and then you walk down towards the hospital.

[GMasterAres]

Is there really that much elevation change on this lot? In my mind Surrey Central is almost completely flat.

The elevation changes in Surrey Central are definitely misleading. But if you go to the top of 140/100th and look down 100th, you can see it is a fairly steep hill. You get the same climb from Fraser Hwy @ the power line crossing up the green way to 100th. And even 140th if you walk from Fraser Highway to 100th, it seems "flat" but you get to 100th and realize you've just climbed a good hill and your legs are not happy.

96th >> Fraser Highway is a hill then it flattens for a little bit then climbs again to 100th, and the power lines basically skirt a ridge line that is basically Whalley Boulevard (bottom) east to 140th (top), though it does angle toward KGB once you hit 104th (Whalley Boulevard climbs at the Canadian Tire Northbound and ends up at the top of the ridge).

It is mainly flat though along King George and between that and westward to 132nd. All of Surrey Central though is on a plateau basically though which anyone would know riding sky train up the hill from Scott Road to Gateway.

[GMasterAres]

That describes most of Metro Vancouver honestly. I had to walk a couple kilometres in East Vancouver to pick up something from Craigslist once and it surprised me how hilly it was.

Yah buildings and paved roads hide topography. Even Downtown Vancouver is quite hilly. Just walk from Cordova up Granville and you realize halfway across downtown you hoofed up a fairly substantial hill. And Cordova isn't even the bottom of the hill as "Waterfront Road" which is along the tracks and is dozens of feet lower. My wife used to work in the 200 Granville building and you enter it ground floor without realizing there's a good multiple floors "underground" which just takes you down to the loading docks below which are actually at sea level.

Get off at Stadium station and walk to Robson Square and you realize very quickly how much of a hill Downtown actually is on.

[Equinox71]

Sequoia website now up - apologies if already posted.

https://sequoiawestvillage.ca

[officedweller]

Sequoia website now up - apologies if already posted.

https://sequoiawestvillage.ca

Thanks.
Where is this one located?
I guess it's one of the parcels near One Central and Evolve?

https://sequoiawestvillage.ca/assets/images/graphic/s-shape-left.png
https://sequoiawestvillage.ca

[Equinox71]

Thanks.
Where is this one located?
I guess it's one of the parcels near One Central and Evolve?


I believe it's at the corner of 103 Ave and 133a St - between One Central and the SFU engineering building.

[Changing City]

I believe it's at the corner of 103 Ave and 133a St - between One Central and the SFU engineering building.

I had Sequoia at 10375 133 St, to the east of Wave and on 104 Ave. (So does Mike Stewart (https://www.mikestewart.ca/presale/sequoia-surrey-city-centre-presale-condos-and-townhomes-by-ml-emporio-properties/))

[Equinox71]

I had Sequoia at 10375 133 St, to the east of Wave and on 104 Ave. (So does Mike Stewart (https://www.mikestewart.ca/presale/sequoia-surrey-city-centre-presale-condos-and-townhomes-by-ml-emporio-properties/))

I stand corrected! You are right - that is ML Emporio as well. I confused it with the lot at 133a and 103 as that has also has an ML Emporio sign on it promising 500+ units. However, according to their website, that proposed 42-story tower presumably will be called Surrey Loop. With Surrey Loop, Sequoia, and the Melrose one already under construction, clearly the developer is making their mark in the West Village area.

[seamusmcduff]

You can see a large sequoia at the south edge of the property that's still standing (walked by last week), so I believe it's being retained. I'm assuming this is what the project is named after.

10375 133 St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/4MM5AhssKeTqU55u7

Edit: I guess I could have clicked on the website, says it right in the promotional material

[CoryHolmes]

Both projects on 132st are beginning to dig. 132 and 105/104 ave.

I'm kinda shocked at how quickly those houses came down, tbh.

[Greetingsfromcanada]

https://i.imgur.com/D5YTJMU.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/hWVCw9Q.jpg

Massive proposal for 120st and 80ave was submitted to Delta

https://delta.civicweb.net/filepro/documents/?preview=215287

[hollywoodnorth]

very impressive thanks for posting. I wish Surrey would be allowing the same thing to happen to their side of 120th as Delta is on theirs.

[Sheba]

very impressive thanks for posting. I wish Surrey would be allowing the same thing to happen to their side of 120th as Delta is on theirs.

N Delta is only allowing towers along some sections of Scott Road - everywhere else is SFH with very occasionally a low rise building. It is very much a bedroom community.

[Greetingsfromcanada]

very impressive thanks for posting. I wish Surrey would be allowing the same thing to happen to their side of 120th as Delta is on theirs.

I'm not really a fan of Delta's zoning, it's almost completely restricted to scott road. There's only a few properties around 80ave and 96ave for high rises, 6 stories down most of scott road and the occasional jump in density for a couple plots. The pattern of zoning in North Delta is clearly focused on making scott road feel nicer for detached home owners, not so much as delivering good housing use. For example, Delta has a zoning down 84ave that allows for more units per acre for detached homes than for types of townhouses/duplexes built on the same lot. mcmansion builders are given priority to build underground rental dungeons over good quality housing for lower income folk.

Scott road and 72ave are in the process of rezoning in Surrey. Im hoping they just mass 5over1 the whole area, but in general I have more faith in Surrey to build housing

https://www.surrey.ca/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/2022-05/ScottRoadLocationMap.jpg?itok=OgN2C9BW

https://www.surrey.ca/renovating-building-development/land-planning-development/land-use-planning/newton-land-use-plans/imagine-scott-road

[Sheba]

I'm not really a fan of Delta's zoning, it's almost completely restricted to scott road. There's only a few properties around 80ave and 96ave for high rises, 6 stories down most of scott road and the occasional jump in density for a couple plots. The pattern of zoning in North Delta is clearly focused on making scott road feel nicer for detached home owners, not so much as delivering good housing use. For example, Delta has a zoning down 84ave that allows for more units per acre for detached homes than for types of townhouses/duplexes built on the same lot. mcmansion builders are given priority to build underground rental dungeons over good quality housing for lower income folk.

Scott road and 72ave are in the process of rezoning in Surrey. Im hoping they just mass 5over1 the whole area, but in general I have more faith in Surrey to build housing


I'm disappointed to hear that, although not really surprised. N Delta would be so much nicer (and add some gentle density) with more townhouses, row houses, duplexes, etc to replace some of the SFH. It would be a lot easier for everyone to do that than their Scott Road tower plans. :rolleyes:

[Greetingsfromcanada]

I'm disappointed to hear that, although not really surprised. N Delta would be so much nicer (and add some gentle density) with more townhouses, row houses, duplexes, etc to replace some of the SFH. It would be a lot easier for everyone to do that than their Scott Road tower plans. :rolleyes:

Yeah, it's ironic. If they just quietly upzoned more areas for townhouses and 4-6 stories nobody would cause a significant enough ruckus to stop it. But this project will be a magnet for negative attention from NIMBYs like the last tower proposal on 75a Ave

[Sheba]

Yeah, it's ironic. If they just quietly upzoned more areas for townhouses and 4-6 stories nobody would cause a significant enough ruckus to stop it. But this project will be a magnet for negative attention from NIMBYs like the last tower proposal on 75a Ave

I suspect 4 - 6 storey buildings not on Scott Road would still get a reaction - Nimbys gotta Nimby...

I had to go back on google maps and check - 72nd has some gentle density on it so they must have upzoned along there. I'd hope for more of that but well, see above.

Hopefully this one at 80th goes through as it's the only one I've seen where they're redeveloping a (strip) mall. It'll take out some retail but also a lot of surface parking (I don't think there's ever been retail in N Delta that had underground parking).

[Jatt jatt]

https://www.surrey.ca/sites/default/files/planning-reports/PLR_7921-0313-00.pdf

[seamusmcduff]

Yes Delta has been very strategic in where they allow density. Only allow it in places where the only people who can complain don't actually live in Delta. It's not a coincidence that all their density is going in right at the Surrey border.

[Sheba]

Yes Delta has been very strategic in where they allow density. Only allow it in places where the only people who can complain don't actually live in Delta. It's not a coincidence that all their density is going in right at the Surrey border.

Delta is broken into two(ish) parts - 1) North Delta and 2) South Delta, namely Ladner and Tsawwassen. Ok yes there's also Annacis and Tilbury islands as industrial areas. While they both have very similar setups (suburban SFH to practically the exclusion of anything else) they are rather isolated from each other.

In N Delta Scott Road is really the only main drag and has about 90% of the retail so it's no surprise that any towers would be proposed there. But ... why on earth haven't they tried for gentle density on the main east -west avenues? 72nd is finally getting some but 80th, 84th and 92nd are still primarily SFH and could easily handle townhouses, rowhouses and duplexes without 'wrecking the character' of the area. 64th (Kittson Pkway) and 88th (Nordel Way) are both treated like highways that need to be physically separated from residential areas.

Instead the plan is to have 6 spots on Scott Road - and even then they're mostly proposing low to mid rise buildings. "In general, the Task Force desired lower allowable heights and a focus on more mid rise building forms with each neighbourhood incorporating some ground-oriented building types like townhouses." (Mayor’s Housing Task Force For Scott Road - Recommendations Report (https://www.delta.ca/sites/default/files/2021-06/Recommendation%20Report%20from%20Mayors%20Task%20Force%20for%20Scott%20Road.pdf) pdf)

When I go look at google maps I don't see much difference between now and what it looked like 25+ years ago. The area really needs to move out of the 19th century.

[mcj]

https://i.imgur.com/hWVCw9Q.jpg


Let's have our Superstore parking lot, but make it urban

Gotta love how they're rebranding a portion of parking lot with speedbumps as a "multi-use path"...

[SFUVancouver]

Let's have our Superstore parking lot, but make it urban

Gotta love how they're rebranding a portion of parking lot with speedbumps as a "multi-use path"...

Maybe I'm missing something, but the bike lane/multi-use path is at the far left-hand side of the page in the second image and it doesn't look like a road with speedbumps to me.

[mcj]

Maybe I'm missing something, but the bike lane/multi-use path is at the far left-hand side of the page in the second image and it doesn't look like a road with speedbumps to me.

The "multi-use path" looks like this:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.1512045,-122.8930154,3a,60y,356.57h,86.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szrfsuWel_IJErduhTBUeNg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Since it's outside this development's project area one can assume it will likely remain this way once this project is complete.

[SFUVancouver]

The "multi-use path" looks like this:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.1512045,-122.8930154,3a,60y,356.57h,86.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szrfsuWel_IJErduhTBUeNg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Since it's outside this development's project area one can assume it will likely remain this way once this project is complete.

Again, unless I'm missing something the multi-use path is included in the project (it's in the landscape plan). It does sure look like garbage now, though.

[mcj]

Again, unless I'm missing something the multi-use path is included in the project (it's in the landscape plan). It does sure look like garbage now, though.

The bike path is shown in the landscape plan. The landscape plan only includes what is within the red box of the site plan. The "multi-use path" is outside of that red box, on the isometric view of the buildings it still shows this parking lot of a "multi-use path" unchanged. The developer is trying to make car oriented towers seem much more urbanist than they will ever be here.

[mcj]

The bike path is shown in the landscape plan. The landscape plan only includes what is within the red box of the site plan. The "multi-use path" is outside of that red box, on the isometric view of the buildings it still shows this parking lot of a "multi-use path" unchanged. The developer is trying to make car oriented towers seem much more urbanist than they will ever be here.

The bike path should also be along Scott Road and not tucked in the back alley of this development, at least then it would fit within Delta's unambitious "ultimate cycling network":

https://ehq-production-canada.s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/2a7451d99cca6bd5d722051476a7931169c813e9/original/1655833199/702cd42bd00def4048c79c088185f80f_2_Ultimate_Cycling_Network.jpg?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIA4KKNQAKIOR7VAOP4%2F20221125%2Fca-central-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20221125T222513Z&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=4988af9cb45aeaf991270c982e4a17807480747618b58611011164506e168b32

[WarrenC12]

That's a ton of parking.

What is "senior housing" exactly? A 55+ strata, or some form of rental?

[mcj]

That's a ton of parking.

Car oriented development masquerading as urbanism.

[officedweller]

The bike path is shown in the landscape plan. The landscape plan only includes what is within the red box of the site plan. The "multi-use path" is outside of that red box, on the isometric view of the buildings it still shows this parking lot of a "multi-use path" unchanged. The developer is trying to make car oriented towers seem much more urbanist than they will ever be here.

Looks like the red box on the Site Plan goes to the property line (you can see the property lines above it) so the future bike path on the Landscape Plan is within the property line.
You can see it wrapping around the mid-rise part of the project.
Strange place for a bike path, but better than fighting with Superstore traffic and shopping carts, I guess.

I would analogize the plan as similar to Station Square
- a new tower on podium section leading to an older section with surface parking in the back.
This one is less "urban" beacsue it has a park cutting across it, but that type of amenity probably fits this neghbourhood.

One question - what does the exposed side of the Delta Rise podium parkade look like?
Was it designed to abutt another building?

and it's part of a longer path in the Area Plan:

https://i.imgur.com/YzWYCY4.png
https://delta.civicweb.net/filepro/documents/?preview=215287

https://i.imgur.com/TtVev8I.png
https://delta.civicweb.net/filepro/documents/?preview=215287

https://i.imgur.com/4Zoa2tl.png
https://delta.civicweb.net/filepro/documents/?preview=215287

https://i.imgur.com/D5YTJMU.jpeg
https://delta.civicweb.net/filepro/documents/?preview=215287

Compare to Station Square - retail high street leading to surface parking lot (until later redevelopment of that area):

https://i.imgur.com/itmmYBt.jpg
https://www.nestpresales.com/listings/bldg-5756/Station-Square-Tower-5-Five-Burnaby-Metrotown-Condo-Presales

[jollyburger]

67-Storey Skyscraper Proposed for Surrey Would Be Tallest Building in BC

The tallest building in British Columbia at the moment is the Living Shangri-La in Downtown Vancouver, at 659-ft tall, but a new development proposed in Surrey would exceed that by 20 feet.

The skyscraper is being developed by Vancouver-based Westland and designed by Chris Dikeakos Architects, and would be 679-ft tall, located at 10227 King George Boulevard in Surrey, between King George Boulevard and Surrey Central Station.

A representative from Westland told STOREYS in September that the development had passed the Advisory Design Panel, and City of Surrey council meeting documents show that the project was reviewed during this week’s council meeting on land use, on November 28, with a public hearing now set for Monday, January 16, at 7:00 p.m.

The proposed building would be 67 storeys, with a seven-storey podium consisting of retail and office space, as well as an eight-storey residential podium, and more residential units above, for a total of 746 units. There are expected to be 226 studio units, 16 one-bedroom units, 283 one-bedroom units with a den, 122 two-bedroom units, 57 two-bedroom units with a den, and 42 three-bedroom units.



https://storeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/10227-King-George-Boulevard-Surrey-Tallest-Building-in-CB-1-900x562.jpg

https://storeys.com/10227-67-storey-westland-skyscraper-surrey-city-centre-bc-tallest-building/

[officedweller]

Nice shot of Surrey here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/onikon-creative/52538675985/in/dateposted/

[Ramsay]

Nice shot of Surrey here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/onikon-creative/52538675985/in/dateposted/

Nice. Thank you.

Actually looks like a downtown core and Surrey is getting some critical mass.

[Sheba]

I hope this is the right place to post this (didn't want to start a new thread) - New Surrey facility provides access to showers, toilets, laundry services to people experiencing homelessness (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-gets-a-new-hygiene-facility-for-homeless-to-access-showers-toilets-and-laundry-1.6681486)


People experiencing homelessness in Surrey, B.C., are getting access to new washrooms, showers and laundry services with the opening of a new temporary modular facility. 

The Healthy Living Complex of Care, located at the Cove Shelter site at 10607 King George Blvd., officially opened on Nov. 24.

"We believe that it's been necessary for a very long time," said Mike Musgrove, executive director of the Surrey Urban Mission Society (SUMS), the organization operating the facility.

"It's been something talked about in meetings throughout the city. Where can people go?"

The facility runs seven days a week, from 6 a.m. to 12 a.m.

It also serves guests by providing access to outreach workers, a private office for consultations, and a lounge with a computer workstation and phone. Toiletries and snacks are also available.

The facility's outreach team can help guests with applications for income assistance, treatment, or even obtaining an I.D., says Musgrove, adding that he believes centres like this help improve quality of life for people who are "stuck in certain situations."

...

The facility is one of six initiatives in the Pandemic Response Package funded by the federal government's Safe Restart Agreement, administered through the Union of B.C. Municipalities' Strengthening Communities' Services Program to create temporary programming in support of people experiencing homelessness in the city.

Musgrove adds that it is important for people to have a place to go in extreme weather.

"A lot of times, local places that we would be able to go inside and get a coffee, or a donut, or a burger or something, aren't necessarily open for people to go in that are non-housed," he said.

[Equinox71]

Noticed two more cranes have gone up recently in Whalley area - Viktor (108 & 140) and Flamingo (107a & Whalley Blvd).

[brophy87]

Whalley Legion almost looks complete from the outside

https://www.reddit.com/r/SurreyBC/comments/10dp9nu/legion_veterans_village_x_parc_centrale/

They were in the middle of pouring all the concrete for sidewalks when I passed by