Surrey/South Fraser Updates [Archive] - Page 27

fredinno

Nov 27, 2018, 8:44 AM

Firstly, all current research points to fully autonomous vehicles being mainstream by no earlier than 2040. That's 22 years from now, a long way to go.

Secondly, cars being fully autonomous, or even partially doesn't have any impact on ownership. I don't quite get why some people think this is the case. People will still own their vehicles, park them at home, and then have them drive them to the mall. The only thing fully autonomous cars will result in is people not physically driving them themselves, and likely lesser road accidents.

But ownership levels won't change. Quite frankly I think it will have the opposite effect. If I can get in a car that drives itself efficiently from A to B without me needing to far around with getting myself to a bus or train station on a transit line that likely doesn't take me directly to where I want t go, I'll opt for owning the car. That's the same reason 90% of households in Metro Vancouver still have at least 1 car.

Honestly, fully autonomous vehicles, especially if they are carbon neutral or non-polluting which is also likely by 2040, I think will actually reduce transit usage.

Time is precious. I drive to work because it takes me 35 minutes one way compared to taking transit which takes 1 hour 15 minutes. I don't give two craps about the environment or social questions, that's over 1 hour per day extra I get with my wife and kids.

Only option is to be smarter with parking garage design. I think more underground or overground stacked parking garages. Also we should be seriously looking at the newer automated parking garages like that have over seas in Japan, Germany, etc. You drive into an elevator, get out, and the system lifts your car and "parks" it almost like a warehouse at Ikea. Makes for far more efficient parking garage designs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_parking_system

MANY major cities are starting to build these, and we should be no different. They can actually be cheaper to build for underground parking garages aka under high-rise tower developments. Again, Metro-Vancouver needs to seriously get over its anti-car rhetoric. It is hurting urban design far more than it possibly could help.

Cars are really space-inefficient when it comes to transportation. That's why urban planners are so anti-car. I agree, though, that cars aren't going anywhere- at least for long-distance travel- and thus, most residents will still have one.

Cypherus

Nov 27, 2018, 10:39 PM

^Well it says they have a site at 13265 104 Ave - Across from Wave - looks like they are just trying to find investors to make it happen.

No application submitted for it yet. A few years off at least.

Tower looks to have some significant design work done already if not a placeholder concept - so they could be close to submitting an application.

Nice recent image of the area (October?) showing views from the subject site:

http://d9hhrg4mnvzow.cloudfront.net/invest.wcpg.ca/surrey104/bf40cbeb-shot-of-surrey-looking-south-other-developments_0ws0ig0ws0if000000.jpg

Possibly a new development application in Surrey in the location Shift mentioned previously.

https://i.imgur.com/viHWQCS.jpg
13265 104 Ave, Surrey, BC V3T 1V3
Source: http://invest.wcpg.ca/surrey104/

https://masonlink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/113979_133St104Ave_View01-1-1.jpg

https://masonlink.ca/our-projects/104-133/
https://masonlink.ca/our-projects/104-133/

Mason Link just titles it as 133 St. and 104th and is under application. Hard to say if these involve the same lot. The render of the tower looks beyond a simple placeholder.

GMasterAres

Nov 28, 2018, 12:43 AM

Cars are really space-inefficient when it comes to transportation. That's why urban planners are so anti-car. I agree, though, that cars aren't going anywhere- at least for long-distance travel- and thus, most residents will still have one.

Space isn't the only measure. Cooking elaborate meals every day to eat is far more inefficient than us all just eating Chicken and Potatoes every day. But life isn't entirely about what academics write in a piece of paper. That's why a lot of "research" that comes out of Universities doesn't result in real-world application because the real-world doesn't function the way people imagine in their minds.

I totally get and agree with your point on why they are so anti-car, but that just isn't the realities of how the world functions or will ever function.

People value freedom, and transit takes away freedoms at a fundamental scale. Therefor it is human nature to prefer as free a mode of transportation as possible.

When the freedom a car provides doesn't out weight other freedoms afforded by not having a car, then you have a person comfortable in a life without a car.

For example, a student not making much money wanting to live close to their school. To them the freedom of a car, one they likely don't use often as they're in school, is outweighed by the freedom of having more money to buy different food, to not have to deal with the car they don't use, to have more money to likely live closer to school, etc.

The flip side is a family of 4 with young children who need to do larger than single person scale shopping every week, who need to run the children to doctors, pre-school, daycare, and who need to go to work and have space in their home to raise the children and have all the toys they require. To that family, the freedom of having a car and not being beholden to transit, restrictive hours, and loss of time greatly outweighs the extra monetary and maintenance hit.

That's what it comes down to. Freedom. So an urban planner can jump up and down about how "on paper" X and Y and Z, but in the real world it just doesn't translate right here and right now.

If you convince the majority of work places to allow people to work 100% from home, you may start to finally truly make a dent on the need for cars by your average family of 3-4 people. That would have far more impact on the needs to own a car than any urban design imho.

fredinno

Nov 28, 2018, 10:18 PM

Space isn't the only measure. Cooking elaborate meals every day to eat is far more inefficient than us all just eating Chicken and Potatoes every day. But life isn't entirely about what academics write in a piece of paper. That's why a lot of "research" that comes out of Universities doesn't result in real-world application because the real-world doesn't function the way people imagine in their minds.

I totally get and agree with your point on why they are so anti-car, but that just isn't the realities of how the world functions or will ever function.

People value freedom, and transit takes away freedoms at a fundamental scale. Therefor it is human nature to prefer as free a mode of transportation as possible.

When the freedom a car provides doesn't out weight other freedoms afforded by not having a car, then you have a person comfortable in a life without a car.

For example, a student not making much money wanting to live close to their school. To them the freedom of a car, one they likely don't use often as they're in school, is outweighed by the freedom of having more money to buy different food, to not have to deal with the car they don't use, to have more money to likely live closer to school, etc.

The flip side is a family of 4 with young children who need to do larger than single person scale shopping every week, who need to run the children to doctors, pre-school, daycare, and who need to go to work and have space in their home to raise the children and have all the toys they require. To that family, the freedom of having a car and not being beholden to transit, restrictive hours, and loss of time greatly outweighs the extra monetary and maintenance hit.

That's what it comes down to. Freedom. So an urban planner can jump up and down about how "on paper" X and Y and Z, but in the real world it just doesn't translate right here and right now.

If you convince the majority of work places to allow people to work 100% from home, you may start to finally truly make a dent on the need for cars by your average family of 3-4 people. That would have far more impact on the needs to own a car than any urban design imho.

No, the issue is that this has to be done in that way, because there's not really much room for road expansion, or sprawl, compared to population growth. People in S.Korea, for example, generally own cars, but don't use cars for day-to-day commutes.

Promoting cars also generally has the issue of feeding into itself. If you have the population using cars all the time, everything has to be spaced apart, because of the wide road and parking infrastructure requiring a lot of space.

But now, it becomes less possible to live without a car due to everything being spaced far apart.

It's a vicious cycle, and is the reason why N. American cities are generally so sprawlly.

We don't have that option, even if we wanted to- most cities have 3-4 directions to expand outwards. Vancouver has one major direction- outwards towards the Fraser Valley. And that's limited by a 1h 30min max. daytime commute limit (around West Mission and Abbotsford). If we concentrated on expanding outwards, it'd be gone in less than 2 decades.

Migrant_Coconut

Nov 28, 2018, 11:11 PM

The flip side is a family of 4 with young children who need to do larger than single person scale shopping every week, who need to run the children to doctors, pre-school, daycare, and who need to go to work and have space in their home to raise the children and have all the toys they require. To that family, the freedom of having a car and not being beholden to transit, restrictive hours, and loss of time greatly outweighs the extra monetary and maintenance hit.

Which is why even the most reality-disconnected planners are so adamant on increasing transit service/coverage, TOD and affordability. More families would have the freedom to live in large spaces near a SkyTrain and/or frequent bus, and the freedom to access schools, clinics and workplaces without the car (and all of its assorted limitations); families that don't have those freedoms would be driving in much less congested streets.

officedweller

Nov 29, 2018, 12:24 AM

From the Anthem Fall Newsletter:

https://i.imgur.com/dmXr9RG.png
https://issuu.com/anthemproperties/docs/anthem_newsletterfall2018_issuu?e=28859600/66052155&ldstok=fEZP%2BH3jOcykN85KSACzxKwFcqNRFXWPq5uAnU%2Fq%2FgLx4JyYqaVAU1%2FJ9IRxbywUSzUAVrzyx3JyThWye4j%2BPg%3D%3D

LeftCoaster

Nov 29, 2018, 12:33 AM

Anthem is partnering with KingSett in Surrey, very interesting, I did not know that.

Flynn86

Nov 30, 2018, 3:08 AM

Possibly a new development application in Surrey in the location Shift mentioned previously.

https://i.imgur.com/viHWQCS.jpg
13265 104 Ave, Surrey, BC V3T 1V3
Source: http://invest.wcpg.ca/surrey104/

https://masonlink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/113979_133St104Ave_View01-1-1.jpg

https://masonlink.ca/our-projects/104-133/
https://masonlink.ca/our-projects/104-133/

Mason Link just titles it as 133 St. and 104th and is under application. Hard to say if these involve the same lot. The render of the tower looks beyond a simple placeholder.

Is this group a branch of Rise? When you go to the link you see The Wave under there projects

GMasterAres

Dec 4, 2018, 2:11 AM

Which is why even the most reality-disconnected planners are so adamant on increasing transit service/coverage, TOD and affordability. More families would have the freedom to live in large spaces near a SkyTrain and/or frequent bus, and the freedom to access schools, clinics and workplaces without the car (and all of its assorted limitations); families that don't have those freedoms would be driving in much less congested streets.

Well those planners should study economics then. I've yet to find a city where real-estate is cheaper around major transit hubs than away from major transit hubs. So this utopian world where the average Joe or Jane can afford to move their family of 4 into an 1600-1800 square foot unit next to SkyTrain for $500,000 is just not ever going to happen. Don't get me wrong, I've worked with and know many planners and I don't doubt their expertise or skill in doing their job. But I think all of them could find use in taking some Economics 101 courses.

I mean let's be honest, how many urban plans become fully realized realities in North America or even the world. Heck even the sidewalks in Surrey Central change every 5 years on the city's plans. Just drive down any road and you see 6 different "designs" for what some urban planners felt was the best way to do bike lanes. If planners in 1 city can't even get bike lanes "right", I don't hold a lot of hope for them getting the big picture terribly close to reality.

Townhouses around Surrey Central SkyTrain stations right now are going for near $1 million. I can buy that same townhouse pretty much anywhere else in Surrey for $300,000+ less. Simple economics. It costs a lot of money to raise a family, why would I spend $300,000 more for the same exact space? I wouldn't, which is why there are 10+ townhouses outside the core for every 1 condo inside the core being built in Surrey today.

ONLY way they could possibly hope to offset price with location is if we all looked at Surrey Central right now and saw 60 cranes in the sky, not 5.

GMasterAres

Dec 4, 2018, 2:18 AM

Also on that link under projects:

103 & 133A right behind Prime/SFU development heading West.

https://masonlink.ca/our-projects/103-133a/

https://masonlink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/133A103-View2.jpg

Flynn86

Dec 4, 2018, 2:55 AM

They must build that!!!!!!!!!!!

officedweller

Dec 5, 2018, 3:33 AM

Nice variations with the balconies and grid.

Bombaman

Dec 5, 2018, 7:47 PM

Shift

Dec 6, 2018, 1:15 AM

The idiot Doug Mcnut is taking credit for someone else's work after cancelling several civic projects. lol Mayor touts building boom in Surrey, despite putting civic projects on hold (https://globalnews.ca/news/4730948/surrey-touts-building-boom/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalBC&fbclid=IwAR3rcUKN93-zZcJIv4kFT9Skmm4y_gpAQXeEwBMMUp4UMEJxcPFLjCTwhoc)

Doug can't even get the numbers right.

“I can tell you there is approximately 14 to 15 high rise buildings that are in the stage of approaching our planning. Some are in our planning department to be built in our city centre.”

The number is actually 39 high-rises in the planning stages in City Centre:

Approved towers (3rd / 4th reading): 17
Towers under initial review (pre-Council): 22

https://urbansurrey.com/surrey-city-centre-active-projects/

Blease

Dec 6, 2018, 2:07 AM

Doug can't even get the numbers right.

“I can tell you there is approximately 14 to 15 high rise buildings that are in the stage of approaching our planning. Some are in our planning department to be built in our city centre.”

The number is actually 39 high-rises in the planning stages in City Centre:

Approved towers (3rd / 4th reading): 17
Towers under initial review (pre-Council): 22

https://urbansurrey.com/surrey-city-centre-active-projects/

Important question, does Mayor McNut have the power to cancel or scupper any of the projects in the application/planning stage in the city centre area?

Shift

Dec 6, 2018, 5:04 AM

Important question, does Mayor McNut have the power to cancel or scupper any of the projects in the application/planning stage in the city centre area?

It's up to majority Council's vote. So far they seem to like to refer stuff back to staff a lot.

Tetsuo

Dec 6, 2018, 6:37 AM

Doug's gonna take us back to the 90s!!!! aright

Cypherus

Dec 6, 2018, 2:20 PM

The idiot Doug Mcnut is taking credit for someone else's work after cancelling several civic projects. lol Mayor touts building boom in Surrey, despite putting civic projects on hold (https://globalnews.ca/news/4730948/surrey-touts-building-boom/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalBC&fbclid=IwAR3rcUKN93-zZcJIv4kFT9Skmm4y_gpAQXeEwBMMUp4UMEJxcPFLjCTwhoc)

It is well known in the media that he cancelled the civic projects because the City is in major debt. He is not cancelling residential/commercial or mixed use towers already underway, which are privately funded. In fact he keeps touting densifying around the skytrain stations as a major development policy.

Cypherus

Dec 6, 2018, 2:24 PM

Doug can't even get the numbers right.

“I can tell you there is approximately 14 to 15 high rise buildings that are in the stage of approaching our planning. Some are in our planning department to be built in our city centre.”

The number is actually 39 high-rises in the planning stages in City Centre:

Approved towers (3rd / 4th reading): 17
Towers under initial review (pre-Council): 22

https://urbansurrey.com/surrey-city-centre-active-projects/

Amazing list of hi-rises planned for Surrey. Thank you for sharing that link.

Lexus

Dec 6, 2018, 3:29 PM

Doug can't even get the numbers right.

“I can tell you there is approximately 14 to 15 high rise buildings that are in the stage of approaching our planning. Some are in our planning department to be built in our city centre.”

The number is actually 39 high-rises in the planning stages in City Centre:

Approved towers (3rd / 4th reading): 17
Towers under initial review (pre-Council): 22

https://urbansurrey.com/surrey-city-centre-active-projects/

What do you count as a high rise? That list has a bunch of mid rise buildings 4-6 floors.

Cypherus

Dec 6, 2018, 4:59 PM

What do you count as a high rise? That list has a bunch of mid rise buildings 4-6 floors.

The link to the UrbanSurrey page indicates 46 hi rises (39 which are in planning stage), which are separately categorized as towers exceeding 6 stories. Shift is not including the low rises.

Lexus

Dec 6, 2018, 5:14 PM

The link to the UrbanSurrey page indicates 46 hi rises (39 which are in planning stage), which are separately categorized as towers exceeding 6 stories. Shift is not including the low rises.
Ok. I see

scryer

Dec 6, 2018, 7:07 PM

Doug's gonna take us back to the 90s!!!! aright

The 90's gave us Skytrain to Surrey.... It might not be so bad :haha: .

officedweller

Dec 14, 2018, 2:55 AM

Ocean Parc, White Rock

By City of Rain SRC Dec 8th:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4846/44420266730_4a0a654e9c_b.jpgIMG_5073 (https://flic.kr/p/2aFgtHL) by City Of Rain (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4850/32365046228_f381fbe674_b.jpgIMG_5074 (https://flic.kr/p/RiZjEq) by City Of Rain (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4901/46237370171_a17310d51c_b.jpgIMG_5077 (https://flic.kr/p/2drQBgr) by City Of Rain (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1942/46237358101_3df88085a5_b.jpgIMG_5079 (https://flic.kr/p/2drQxFk) by City Of Rain (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

Soleil, White Rock

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4810/45324406625_050f5b39ee_b.jpgIMG_5081 (https://flic.kr/p/2c4ar1D) by City Of Rain (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

osirisboy

Dec 14, 2018, 3:44 AM

Those are two totally different projects. The one under construction is ocean parc not soliel and it's so far exactly how's the renderings depicted it

The rendering is of soliel which is going where the royal plaza currently is.

officedweller

Dec 15, 2018, 12:08 AM

Ah, thanks!

Corrected the post.

CoryHolmes

Dec 23, 2018, 6:50 PM

Lexus

Dec 27, 2018, 1:13 AM

My photos 2018-12-26

Near Wave tower by 104 Ave and 133St

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4890/45755706944_5f3c7e977d_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2cHgXz3)Construction (https://flic.kr/p/2cHgXz3) by Dmytro Zhukovets (https://www.flickr.com/photos/143443467@N04/), on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7919/45755706744_1ad79ba8d0_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2cHgXvA)Construction (https://flic.kr/p/2cHgXvA) by Dmytro Zhukovets (https://www.flickr.com/photos/143443467@N04/), on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4817/44662279470_1e630b6308_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2b3DRFd)Construction (https://flic.kr/p/2b3DRFd) by Dmytro Zhukovets (https://www.flickr.com/photos/143443467@N04/), on Flickr

officedweller

Dec 28, 2018, 12:25 AM

Thanks!

GMasterAres

Jan 10, 2019, 10:37 AM

So what's everyone's most anticipated development in this area? I'm really looking forward to Georgetown and how it's going to really transform that space between Surrey Central and King George.

What about you?

Same. It is the first major center dense development not directly near SkyTrain, first major redevelopment of a famed surrey Central strip mall removing a large swath of surface parking in a long time, and first dense project in the heart of city center along kgb. Yes the hub and Infinity park place are right on kgb but i consider that area near the edge of city center.

EhJay

Jan 11, 2019, 2:02 AM

Yeah, Georgetown is really set to transform the area and connect the gap in the towers. Looking forward to it too.

That being said, also excited to see the HUB build up and the retail that'll come along with it.

EhJay

Jan 12, 2019, 4:02 PM

City of Surrey set to by the second last plot of land on the south side of Holland Park. One step closer to expanding the size of the park!

https://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/CR_2019-R001.pdf

Cypherus

Jan 12, 2019, 5:45 PM

Nites

Jan 15, 2019, 3:09 AM

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/surrey-mayor-vows-to-build-international-stadium-in-bear-creek-park/

Surrey mayor vows to build ‘international’ stadium in Bear Creek Park

Shift

Jan 15, 2019, 8:29 PM

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/surrey-mayor-vows-to-build-international-stadium-in-bear-creek-park/

Surrey mayor vows to build ‘international’ stadium in Bear Creek Park

"While McCallum said in December that the stadium could have 12,000 seats, a spokesperson in the Mayor’s Office told the Now-Leader the seating capacity would be in the area of 2,200."

Sounds very international

Blease

Jan 15, 2019, 9:40 PM

"While McCallum said in December that the stadium could have 12,000 seats, a spokesperson in the Mayor’s Office told the Now-Leader the seating capacity would be in the area of 2,200."

Sounds very international

McCallum is the definition of a short-sighted man.

Cypherus

Jan 16, 2019, 1:20 AM

I rather not see an arena in Bear Creek Park. You don't even have adequate transit to service the area, and the park is best used for providing green-space for families.

Tetsuo

Jan 16, 2019, 1:48 AM

I rather not see an arena in Bear Creek Park. You don't even have adequate transit to service the area, and the park is best used for providing green-space for families.

There's already an existing track/bleachers.

Hopefully the replacement doesn't infringe on the rest of the park space, I think it can be done well, like a new Swanguard thing

Cloverdale would be too close to Langley and far out, not sure what other sites are available.

I wonder if City of Surrey would ever build something by Scott Road, like an actually stadium !

Nites

Jan 16, 2019, 8:27 AM

EhJay

Jan 17, 2019, 2:01 AM

There's already an existing track/bleachers.

Hopefully the replacement doesn't infringe on the rest of the park space, I think it can be done well, like a new Swanguard thing

Cloverdale would be too close to Langley and far out, not sure what other sites are available.

I wonder if City of Surrey would ever build something by Scott Road, like an actually stadium !

Last year I believe there were a couple of interested parties talking about building stadiums in Surrey. Haven't heard boo about it since then though.

Nites

Jan 17, 2019, 5:24 AM

Last year I believe there were a couple of interested parties talking about building stadiums in Surrey. Haven't heard boo about it since then though.

I thought it would be more in lines of something like the Abbotsford Centre.

Sheba

Jan 17, 2019, 6:00 AM

I thought it would be more in lines of something like the Abbotsford Centre.

Is there demand for a stadium that holds just over 7000 people (I have no idea)? The PNE Forum holds just over 5000 people and it seems to be used mostly for trade shows. Maybe a convention centre would be a better idea.
:shrug:

Flynn86

Jan 17, 2019, 6:58 AM

They should build a stadium big enough for the Lions in downtown Surrey Surrey

Nites

Jan 17, 2019, 8:07 AM

They should build a stadium big enough for the Lions in downtown Surrey Surrey

The only thing is that no one cares about the Lions.

GMasterAres

Jan 17, 2019, 6:17 PM

I rather not see an arena in Bear Creek Park. You don't even have adequate transit to service the area, and the park is best used for providing green-space for families.

Or road infrastructure. 88th can't handle the traffic increase at all and Bear Creek Park is a giant block with very little road capacity around it especially east/west where from 88th south, you don't have another east-west corridor until 74th. That's 14 Surrey blocks or just over 28 Vancouver blocks.

Only way this would ever work is if they did actually do the LRT and then finally punched through 84th Avenue.

Migrant_Coconut

Jan 18, 2019, 4:50 AM

Is there demand for a stadium that holds just over 7000 people (I have no idea)? The PNE Forum holds just over 5000 people and it seems to be used mostly for trade shows. Maybe a convention centre would be a better idea.
:shrug:

The Forum does hold B-list concerts and performances from time to time. I don't think you can do that with a show hall.

Sheba

Jan 18, 2019, 6:08 AM

The Forum does hold B-list concerts and performances from time to time. I don't think you can do that with a show hall.

It's not the primary use though. Which would Surrey use more - a stadium or a convention centre (McCallum isn't likely to build both).

Migrant_Coconut

Jan 18, 2019, 6:25 AM

It's not the primary use though. Which would Surrey use more - a stadium or a convention centre (McCallum isn't likely to build both).

Depends on what everybody wants for Bear Creek - if residents decide that the versatility of a stadium is worth the additional cost, then by all means.

Westbased

Jan 18, 2019, 8:04 PM

IMO, the 88th corridor should be much more dense, especially around the Bear Creek Park areas.

There are rumblings of a 4-story mixed use project being proposed soon up the road at 132nd Street and 88th. I would love to see that get built and help revitalize the area with larger sidewalks and more street oriented retail and homes.

Currently we just keep seeing massive single family homes sprout up along 88th.

GMasterAres

Feb 6, 2019, 8:22 PM

An update as I was going through existing applications, the development (doesn't have it's own page yet) that was discussed a few years ago at the form Knight and Day restaurant location beside CRA (KGB just before 96th) is still proceeding forward.

Evidently the detailed drawings were submitted to Surrey Planning just yesterday and they've already held scoping meetings. So hopefully we hear more about this project which is in the Innovation Boulevard area soon.

This is the project and where it is, screenshot from the planning report Oct 1, 2018:

http://www.jhausner.com/Surrey/7917-0462-00_small.png (https://www.jhausner.com/Surrey/7917-0462-00_large.PNG)
Click for larger image.

BodomReaper

Feb 7, 2019, 4:07 AM

Thanks for the new rendering. Although it would be nice to see developers branch-out more in their architect choices, Chris Dikeakos consistently churns-out designs for suburban towers that are better than what gets built in most North American downtowns.

Nites

Feb 8, 2019, 4:56 AM

https://i.gyazo.com/cfb92193b0c3f11cf646b5bb583a7502.png

District Energy Map

Nites

Feb 8, 2019, 5:22 AM

Is there a possibility that more towers could be built directly into surrey central shopping mall for example Pacific Centre with TD Tower, 4 Seasons Hotel, 701 W Georgia, and Canaccord Place.

officedweller

Feb 8, 2019, 11:27 AM

From the Surrey City Centre thread:

The long range plans in the Central City 2 leasing brochure show the mall is to be kept but with a major overhaul, including addition of some towers, plazas, and a new entrance facing Holland Park.

https://urbansurrey.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Don4fNR.jpg

officedweller

Feb 8, 2019, 11:30 AM

wrong thread

Equinox71

Feb 10, 2019, 4:14 AM

Cypherus

Feb 10, 2019, 7:56 AM

New 32-story high-rise on Scott Rd? See for yourself:

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/delta-is-hosting-info-session-for-proposed-scott-road-highrise/

Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere.

Thank you for sharing the update. Yes this tower was mentioned a long time ago along with an old render, but it now looks like it is going ahead with a similar/revamped design. Exciting times for Delta.

osirisboy

Feb 10, 2019, 4:16 PM

That looks good! Would have liked more commercial space but it seems to meet the street nicely

SpongeG

Feb 10, 2019, 9:28 PM

too bad it is in the dumpiest part of Scott road

officedweller

Feb 11, 2019, 12:36 AM

Thanks for posting.

Here's the pic from the article:

https://blackpress.newsengin.com/gps2/uploads/15480739/deltasky1.jpg
Rendering of the proposed 32-storey Delta Sky tower at Scott Road and 95A Avenue. (City of Delta Photo)
https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/delta-is-hosting-info-session-for-proposed-scott-road-highrise/

Vin

Feb 11, 2019, 6:53 PM

Looks like Delta (North Delta to be exact) is the next municipality to join in the fray to build tall towers. I wonder when Langley would follow suit.

Shift

Feb 12, 2019, 5:12 AM

Looks like Delta (North Delta to be exact) is the next municipality to join in the fray to build tall towers. I wonder when Langley would follow suit.

Quite a few towers under application in the Willoughby area around 200 / Hwy 1

Reecemartin

Feb 12, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Shift

Feb 13, 2019, 4:49 AM

Really? Links renders?

Development application map:

https://www.tol.ca/at-your-service/engineering-building-development/development/development-activity/development-activity-information/

osirisboy

Feb 13, 2019, 5:25 PM

Development application map:

https://www.tol.ca/at-your-service/engineering-building-development/development/development-activity/development-activity-information/

I'm not seeing anything except for one lot proposing two towers between 18-32 floors on 84th. What are you seeing?

e-clam9

Feb 16, 2019, 7:13 AM

Just learn that BC added more funding for the high speed rail between Seattle and Surrey. It is planned to be built by 2035. I will be over 70 by that time. As usual, it will be delayed and delayed. I really don't know if I can see that in my life time. With World economy slowing down, GDP drops to 1.7 to 1.9 this year, not sure where they come up $42B by 2023 to start the project :shrug:

Last year, Surrey also added funding to study LRT and all these millions are down the toilet now. I wonder how they can make use the real LRT demo train they built for the show. Let's hope they can really start the Expo Line Skytrain extension project to Langley or wherever before they run out of money. Construction and material cost is increasing so fast due to the mad man in white house in DC..... Our tax money is easily come and easily gone.

osirisboy

Feb 18, 2019, 5:10 AM

City of Surrey is conducting a survey on their semiahmoo plan

https://www.surrey.ca/city-services/1344.aspx

Let your opinions be heard!

Flynn86

Feb 26, 2019, 12:55 AM

officedweller

Feb 26, 2019, 2:17 AM

I just saw on Rize Alliance instagram page they announced there third tower for Surrey just got approved. They posted a photo but you can't see much of the tower. Does anyone know any more info about this tower?

That's on King George Blvd just south of King George Station.
The "heritage" aspect is the 1960s office block to the left in the pic.
Anyone think they are mimicking the old building too much instead of more contrast?
(i.e. no roof line on the new podium would make the older building's roofline stand out more)

From their twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzzxVRMVYAAb3SA.jpg
https://twitter.com/rizealliance

Application submitted for the site below just north of 96th and King George.

Heritage medical building on the site is proposed to be preserved/revitalized with 276 residential units
(unspecified height) to built behind it on the existing parking lot.

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=18&seq=0276

https://i.imgur.com/v6mZ77s.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XAtUZQm.jpg?1

Flynn86

Feb 26, 2019, 2:59 AM

Is the old building part of the tower?

officedweller

Feb 26, 2019, 11:19 AM

Depends on how much of it they are saving - could just be the façade, in which case the tower could be behind it.

retro_orange

Feb 26, 2019, 11:36 AM

That's on King George Blvd just south of King George Station.
The "heritage" aspect is the 1960s office block to the left in the pic.
Anyone think they are mimicking the old building too much instead of more contrast?
(i.e. no roof line on the new podium would make the older building's roofline stand out more)

From their twitter:

https://twitter.com/rizealliance

It would look better if they cast the same roofline in the concrete on the right side of the podium, how much more could it cost. The tower is looking kinda bland too.

officedweller

Feb 26, 2019, 10:35 PM

The problem with replicating the same roof line, is that you then don't know which is old and which is new
(which is more a historical issue, rather than an aesthetic one)

CoryHolmes

Mar 2, 2019, 3:39 AM

Not sure if this is the right place, but it looks like the new addition to Surrey Central Skytrain Station is ready for opening :) The hording and fencing is all down, the opening is still roped off though.

EhJay

Mar 2, 2019, 6:12 AM

Not sure if this is the right place, but it looks like the new addition to Surrey Central is ready for opening :) The hording and fencing is all down, the opening is still roped off though.

What addition did they do?

CoryHolmes

Mar 2, 2019, 6:54 AM

What addition did they do?

Ack! I meant the Skytrain station! I've since edited my original post and will now cower in shame :runaway:

e-clam9

Mar 3, 2019, 12:42 AM

Ack! I meant the Skytrain station! I've since edited my original post and will now cower in shame :runaway:

I hope Surrey can clean up the homelessness issue at that station. It usually involves a few gov departments to really settle them in other places or other gov facilities. This may be why no one wants to deal with them. Usually they like to stay at the most busy station and Surrey Central is the one.

Vin

Mar 3, 2019, 1:19 AM

I like how Surrey is preserving architecture from the 60s, unlike some municipality.

osirisboy

Mar 3, 2019, 6:00 AM

It has nothing else to preserve

officedweller

Mar 5, 2019, 10:04 PM

From Lark Group twitter:

Legion Veterans Village

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D06ArBoVsAEIHH9.jpg
https://twitter.com/larkgroup1

North Surrey Sport & Ice Complex

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0CpPfPUYAAkw9E.jpg
https://twitter.com/larkgroup1

EhJay

Mar 6, 2019, 3:40 PM

The new legion building is a far cry from what was originally proposed.
That being said, it'll be much nicer than what's currently there.

CoryHolmes

Mar 7, 2019, 6:27 AM

After using it for a few days, I'm happy with the new addition to the Surrey Central Skytrain station, but I'm disappointed by the continued lack of down escalators. Very annoying. :shrug:

clee7903

Mar 7, 2019, 11:23 PM

After using it for a few days, I'm happy with the new addition to the Surrey Central Skytrain station, but I'm disappointed by the continued lack of down escalators. Very annoying. :shrug:

It would be nice to have all escalators but Id imagine it would cost more than just stairs, not to mention maintenance which can sometimes drag up to months! :???:

Shift

Mar 8, 2019, 1:10 AM

Looks like a covered lane between the 2 legion buildings.

CoryHolmes

Mar 8, 2019, 2:36 AM

It would be nice to have all escalators but Id imagine it would cost more than just stairs, not to mention maintenance which can sometimes drag up to months! :???:

The downstairs escalator at Gateway has been down for over a year now!

SpongeG

Mar 11, 2019, 4:28 AM

anyonr have progress pics of that project down by Scott Road station? I caught a glimpse in a youtube video, I had forgotten that that was going up

e-clam9

Mar 12, 2019, 2:35 AM

Does Tourism Surrey really advertise that? What is that projection based on? Metro Vancouver, in consultation with its member municipalities, has projected that Vancouver and Surrey will be roughly equal in population 30 years from now. In 2021, they won't be close...

It seems to be a joke to predict so far ahead 30 years from now..... I can't even predict tomorrow. :shrug:

EhJay

Mar 13, 2019, 12:48 AM

Just got a notice in the mail today for the old Best Buy building on the corner of 100 Ave and King George Blvd. Hasn't gone to council yet, but they're starting to ask for comments.

CoryHolmes

Mar 13, 2019, 2:24 AM

Just got a notice in the mail today for the old Best Buy building on the corner of 100 Ave and King George Blvd. Hasn't gone to council yet, but they're starting to ask for comments.

I thought that was for another office tower like Central City tower? :???:

SpongeG

Mar 18, 2019, 10:08 PM

Walmart plans warehouse and DC in South Surrey, B.C.

13 MARCH 2019
Grocery Business

https://www.grocerybusiness.ca/images/2019/03/Walmart_South_Surrey_facility.png
Photo: Surrey Now-Leader

Walmart has filed an application with the Surrey B.C. council to build a warehouse and distribution centre in South Surrey. The 296,000 square foot frozen grocery facility would cost some $175 million to build and would ultimately create 200 jobs, reports the Surrey Now-Leader. In addition, the 14- to 18-month construction phase would support 300 skilled construction and engineering jobs, Walmart says.

...

https://www.grocerybusiness.ca/news/walmart-plans-warehouse-and-dc-in-south-surrey-b-c

officedweller

Mar 22, 2019, 8:03 AM

Article on the North Surrey Sport & Ice Rink Complex:
https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/photos-inside-north-surreys-new-three-rink-arena-and-the-view-from-the-roof-too/

https://3xnhi43vikn244hoyg160zl4-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/15979047_web1_DSC_0640.jpg
An exterior view of the new North Surrey Sport & Ice Complex, looking northeast. (Photo: Tom Zillich)
https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/photos-inside-north-surreys-new-three-rink-arena-and-the-view-from-the-roof-too/

https://3xnhi43vikn244hoyg160zl4-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/15979047_web1_DSC_0644.jpg
An exterior view of North Surrey Sport & Ice Complex, which is scheduled to open this summer. (Photo: Tom Zillich)
https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/photos-inside-north-surreys-new-three-rink-arena-and-the-view-from-the-roof-too/

Someone was asking about the condos down there?

https://3xnhi43vikn244hoyg160zl4-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/15979047_web1_DSC_0637.jpg
Looking north, from the roof of North Surrey Sport & Ice Complex, the view of a residential project taking shape across the street, 110th Avenue. (Photo: Tom Zillich)
https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/photos-inside-north-surreys-new-three-rink-arena-and-the-view-from-the-roof-too/

officedweller

Mar 22, 2019, 8:06 AM

Clayton Community Centre

March 13th:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1jmPsdUcAEUd3r.jpg
Clayton Community Centre, Surrey, BC under construction uses a unique reciprocal roof framing system
https://twitter.com/WesternArchrib

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1jmgTpV4AA1_6a.jpg
https://twitter.com/WesternArchrib

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1jmYKCUkAAnJ86.jpg
https://twitter.com/WesternArchrib

March 20th:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2JSMxzUgAMZF44.jpg:large
https://twitter.com/seagatestruct

Urbanmetro

Mar 23, 2019, 1:47 AM

I don't get why the city is decommissioning the rink at Surrey central when there is no plan on the books for anything to be done with that space. The bus loop isn't even going to be reconfigure for years to come. The south entrance to the SkyTrain station needs to be upgraded before that can happen and it isn't in TransLink s plans .... That rink could be well used

SpongeG

Mar 23, 2019, 7:07 PM

Sheba

Mar 23, 2019, 8:21 PM

there is so much wrong in this video, they show Burnaby Metrotown wrong (actually Lougheed TC) and downtown Vancouver is wrong (actually Metrotown), there is no London Drugs in Central City. ugh

Technically there is a London Drugs, just not in the mall (it's across from the Safeway). I found it more 'amusing' that they say it's a 35 min "drive" (more like 45 min outside of rush hour) from this 'transit oriented development'. The Skytrain is about 35 mins from Surrey Central to Granville Station... :rolleyes:

SpongeG

Mar 23, 2019, 8:44 PM

yes but why not show where it is instead of saying its in the mall? this development is pretty much across the street from it

e-clam9

Mar 24, 2019, 12:16 AM

GMasterAres

Mar 26, 2019, 7:36 AM

Humm, I really like the Surrey Central recreation center. Many families/kids go there. There is also a parking lot for it in front of Surrey Central Mall (next to Surrey Central station and bus terminal). I really hope Surrey doesn't close it. I remember the parking lot also has it own plan by SFU for more buildings there in the future. I also like to mention another project I don't like. On 100th Ave, Surrey removed the parking lane, added the bike lane with a wide tree/plant area along it, then narrowed the two remaining lanes. I hardly see any bike using the new bike lane. Many cars/vans/trucks still park on the right most lane for quick delivery. It means only one lane left with heavy traffic. I guess this project cost over a million along 100th Ave only to make a few bikers happy. It is not a well use of Surrey tax payers' money !! When Centra,Park George I and II are done, there will be more traffic with another 1000+ families. I can see they will remove the tree/plant area or even remove the bike lane together. What a waste of tax payers' money !! Surrey should fire the city planner. I am not against the bike lane, but it should not take up so much space.

While I feel the road widening in Surrey lately has left us with slightly too narrow lanes I am unsure how you can be upset with widening 100th Avenue. Especially living in Park Avenue. It was a completely absolute gong show up 100th for years when it was 1 lane, backing up at 140th either direction.

For parking in front, Surrey has had a long term (and by long term I mean like 15+ years) stance that arterial and collector roads will have NO _0_ parking on them. 100th is a major arterial so the parking was eventually going to go away they've been in the process of removing parking on such roads for years now.

And be happy about that, a lot of traffic chaos in Vancouver is due to them allowing parking on major arterial roads causing chaotic lane changes driving patterns which are a leading cause of traffic build up and accidents outside of intersections.

For the bike lanes, my only complaint is they are not marked. I have seen many people using the bike lane crossing as cross walks because the intersections are actually really confusing with all the white lines. I do hope (and have put in a request) that Surrey paints, at least the intersection bike lanes, green which is standard in Metro Vancouver, and marks the lanes themselves bike only.

While it may seem silly now and not really used, Surrey is trying to be proactive and I have to applaud them adding both modes of transportation aka proper separated bike lanes AND an extra motor vehicle travel lane.

It is a downtown and having bike lanes actually makes a lot of sense. As the density increases, the traffic will aswell if there are no alternatives and if you just want to head over to the mall or a movie, walking/biking could be a good option compared to driving.

As for the rec center, sorry to disappoint but it is coming down in the future from what I understand. It will be redeveloped and it will be replaced with a YMCA rec center I believe (unless that has changed recently). I don't think it is a huge loss in the short term. The building is old, the pool is inferior to Guildford which is only 5 minutes away, and the ice surfaces are being relocated to Scott Road Station.

Urbanmetro

Mar 28, 2019, 7:09 PM

I am really impressed by the shear number of applications coming through for Surrey city centre.
Just across from coast capital:
952 residential units and 2500sqm commercial in a 13, 36 and 42 story buildings.
137 and 104 ave:
Phase one, 383 residential and 1000sqm commercial.
107 ave and KGB
345 mixed use units
138 st and 100 ave:
253 units in 6 story building
132st and 104 ave:
327 residential units
100ave and KGB:
25 story mixed use office tower
104 ave and 140st:
6 story apartment
106 and 137a st:
2 six story apartment buildings
134 and gateway Dr:
518 units in 28 and 30 story towers
132 and 104 ave:
358 residential units
Fraser hwy and 137:
1113 units and 12500 sqft retail
135 and 105 ave:
1134 units and 10000 SQM commercial
107 and 138 st:
88 apartments
108 and 132a st:
Six story apartment building
139 and 96 ave:
162 apartments
106 and 137a st:
76 units
101 and Whalley Boulevard:
1070 units
Thats the applications in just the last 6 months. The build out for these buildings will probably come in the next 5-10 years as there's no way the development community can support these projects with falling prices.
Still means a lot to come for the city centre. If only the mall could be redeveloped faster! That area needs to be gentrified...
Does anyone know if the Safeway site is developer owned? And why are there no plans for the recreation centre yet? Before we know it, it'll be 2030.