Surrey/South Fraser Updates

[Whalleyboy]

You can throw a rock at gateway from that site. Then again anywhere in Surrey city centre is pretty close to a skytrain station. Surrey city centre has a better layout then Vancouver when it comes to skytrain as it goes right down the whole center of the DT surrey area but thats my opinion

[Pinion]

You can throw a rock at gateway from that site. Then again anywhere in Surrey city centre is pretty close to a skytrain station. Surrey city centre has a better layout then Vancouver when it comes to skytrain as it goes right down the whole center of the DT surrey area but thats my opinion

Where do you think the two downtown skytrain lines go?

[GMasterAres]

Where do you think the two downtown skytrain lines go?

The majority (80-85%) of "Downtown Surrey" is within 1km of SkyTrain. Only about 60% of downtown Vancouver is within 1km of SkyTrain. Based on population, all of the West End is effectively over 1km away as with everything in Davie Village and a large portion of Coal Harbour where people live.

Downtown Vancouver SkyTrain stations largely service the business districts and residents around the arenas and Yaletown.

So from a population standpoint he is correct, that given SkyTrain cuts straight through the center of "Downtown Surrey" it is poised to service more residents and a greater % of the area.

That said, people in Downtown Vancouver (a) don't really need to use SkyTrain unless they are commuting OUT of downtown, (b) have less need for it vs bus, and (c) have greater access to transit with much higher bus frequencies and ultimately not too far access to 4 major transit lines in Expo, Canada Line, WCE, and SeaBus.

[red-paladin]

The majority (80-85%) of "Downtown Surrey" is within 1km of SkyTrain. Only about 60% of downtown Vancouver is within 1km of SkyTrain. Based on population, all of the West End is effectively over 1km away as with everything in Davie Village and a large portion of Coal Harbour where people live.

Downtown Vancouver SkyTrain stations largely service the business districts and residents around the arenas and Yaletown.

So from a population standpoint he is correct, that given SkyTrain cuts straight through the center of "Downtown Surrey" it is poised to service more residents and a greater % of the area.

That said, people in Downtown Vancouver (a) don't really need to use SkyTrain unless they are commuting OUT of downtown, (b) have less need for it vs bus, and (c) have greater access to transit with much higher bus frequencies and ultimately not too far access to 4 major transit lines in Expo, Canada Line, WCE, and SeaBus.

The West End is not in downtown though.... but this is semantics.
You're right that the entire peninsula there isn't in immediate walking distance to a station, though it's a lot larger than Surrey's City Centre area.

[Pinion]

The West End is not in downtown though.... but this is semantics.
You're right that the entire peninsula there isn't in immediate walking distance to a station, though it's a lot larger than Surrey's City Centre area.

Yeah the only way whalleyboy's statement makes any sense is because the density plummets two blocks from King George? But still the two lines downtown are better coverage.

[Shift]

The West End is not in downtown though.... but this is semantics.
You're right that the entire peninsula there isn't in immediate walking distance to a station, though it's a lot larger than Surrey's City Centre area.

Surrey City Centre (while not fully built out obviously) is actually just about as large as downtown Vancouver.

The skytrain does bisect and provide more coverage over Surrey City Centre than it does Downtown Vancouver, but there are less stations. This will change once LRT is built though.

http://i.imgur.com/EMAjyKf.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/0PiUgiw.jpg

[Pinion]

TIL Surreyites don't know where downtown is, or what a downtown is.

[SFUVancouver]

Shift, if you rotate the superimposed Central Surrey 45° counter clockwise I bet that we would find that downtown surrey covers the entire non-Stanley Park downtown peninsula.

Thanks for making the graphics.

I wonder what a comparison of the number of city blocks within the two downtowns would show. My hunch is 3x to 4x as many city blocks in downtown Vancouver as downtown Surrey.

[WarrenC12]

What has been outlined as "downtown Surrey" is about 50% or more SFHs.

[GMasterAres]

What has been outlined as "downtown Surrey" is about 50% or more SFHs.

*sigh* does that really matter? It's who lives between the lines. "Downtown Surrey" is the lines they've drawn and is today and 200 years from now. Doesn't change the fact anyone living within those lines is still closer. *shrug*

[Blease]

What has been outlined as "downtown Surrey" is about 50% or more SFHs.

There's a substantial number of SFHs in the West End of downtown Vancouver.

[Shift]

TIL Surreyites don't know where downtown is, or what a downtown is.

True, have never left Surrey or seen another downtown.

Did I misplace the overlay on Downtown Vancouver? Please correct.

The City Centre boundary shown is based on the Surrey City Centre Plan.

[Shift]

What has been outlined as "downtown Surrey" is about 50% or more SFHs.

That's irrelevant. It's the City Centre Plan area which will eventually be built out over time.

[Shift]

Shift, if you rotate the superimposed Central Surrey 45° counter clockwise I bet that we would find that downtown surrey covers the entire non-Stanley Park downtown peninsula.

Thanks for making the graphics.

I wonder what a comparison of the number of city blocks within the two downtowns would show. My hunch is 3x to 4x as many city blocks in downtown Vancouver as downtown Surrey.

Definitely many more city blocks Downtown Vancouver. Surrey still has its suburban scaled street network for the most part, but the City Centre Plan will break this up and add finer grained blocks over time.

[Vancouver_Highrise]

Well it looks like they've completely changed the design of the new Legion Tower in Surrey. I don't have any pictures to post but if anyone does please upload. It reminds me of the new medical office buildings near SMH in some aspects.

[Equinox71]

Well it looks like they've completely changed the design of the new Legion Tower in Surrey. I don't have any pictures to post but if anyone does please upload. It reminds me of the new medical office buildings near SMH in some aspects.

Here's the image from the Now article.
http://www.thenownewspaper.com/news/400750081.html

[osirisboy]

Well that's disappointing

I sure hope that the red parts on the building won't simply be painted concrete

[BobLoblawsLawBlog]

That's a huge step back from an interesting piece of architecture to a office park-like building with above ground parking.

[Katherine S]

Neither design were really urban, but it's still definitely another step towards the suburban with this new rendering. That's too bad; I had higher hopes (please forgive my pun).

[SFUVancouver]

Here's the image from the Now article.
http://www.thenownewspaper.com/news/400750081.html

http://media.bclocalnews.com/images/39093surreynowlegionconceptart.jpg
Source: http://www.thenownewspaper.com/news/400750081.html?mobile=true

http://www.legionbcyukon.ca/sites/default/files/MGA_Legion%20Veterans%20Village_Full%20Render.jpg

[trofirhen]

^^^^Maybe they can tweak that red building a bit. It's not gonna win any beauty prize as is.
§ Regarding all the back-and-forthing about people in Surrey not knowing what a downtown is, etc etc etc, someone will come show them, plus they're travelling and learning all the time.
If new SFH is built, or condos, let's hope they look nice. Let's take the telephone poles and signs down, and put the wiring underground.
There is already some fine new architecture in Surrey, as I saw in an SFU Surrey thread. If the streets are sleek and green, the transport works, the infrastucture works and looks nice...
It's gonna be great, given good street life, liveable and pleasant residential, close amenities, and pleasant surroundings with a high % of green.

[Millennium2002]

(old design)

http://www.legionbcyukon.ca/sites/default/files/MGA_Legion%20Veterans%20Village_Full%20Render.jpg

(new design)

http://media.bclocalnews.com/images/39093surreynowlegionconceptart.jpg

Source: http://www.thenownewspaper.com/news/400750081.html?mobile=true


The new design, while cheaper in shape, reminds me more of Vimy Ridge with the highlighted red protrusions...

The older design, while much more expressive, might cause some people to call it the "twin towers"... and I doubt the legion wants to be mistakenly associated with 9/11 vs its actual purpose of honouring Canada's veterans.

Now I suppose they could have changed the structural design itself such that the building(s) looked more like Vimy Ridge itself (and perhaps with a giant connected glass atrium in the middle such that it actually looks like one building), but it's hard to say whether the legion would have been able to afford that... I mean... the economics of building a tower at Guildford are already shaky enough given the cheap land available throughout the rest of the City of Surrey...

[Blease]

The land won't cost them anything, as they already own it.

[SurreyonTheMap]

As someone who wants Surrey to become more and more distinct, I'm all for stuff like this new building for the veterans especially it's around the time of 100 year anniversary of World War 1. As Allan_Kuan said, that the new building does look more like Vimy Ridge, i would like it to be similar to that and redrawn to become more similar to Vimy Ridge.

I also think Surrey needs something like a clock tower something like a steam clock in downtown Vancouver somewhere in city centre which would really look nice for Surrey.

[Shift]

I feel like the best possible site for a historical landmark in Surrey would be the corner of 108 and King George, 'Whalley's Corner'. Could somehow signifiy the former rest stop/service station that was once there on the route between New Westminster and the US Border, and where Surrey developed from. A public art piece in the plaza that will eventually be built on that corner, perhaps a replica of the original sign?

Other than that you cant really make up a historical land mark like the steam clock.

The veterans project will create a new plaza space which will become Surrey's equivalent to Victory Square. The space will be used for Remembrance Day ceremonies and likely have a memorial. Will contribute to the sense of place in Surrey's downtown.

[sryboy]

Over at www.civicsurrey.com Paul has posted the first renderings of the new arena in North Surrey.:

http://www.civicsurrey.com/2016/11/11/first-look-at-the-new-north-surrey-arenas-replacement-project/

Maybe i feel spoiled by all the great architecture in Central City but this design looks blah...

too bad they couldn't have worked out a P3 deal or something with the Giants.:shrug:

[retro_orange]

Over at www.civicsurrey.com (http://www.civicsurrey.com) Paul has posted the first renderings of the new arena in North Surrey.:

http://www.civicsurrey.com/2016/11/11/first-look-at-the-new-north-surrey-arenas-replacement-project/

Maybe i feel spoiled by all the great architecture in Central City but this design looks blah...

too bad they couldn't have worked out a P3 deal or something with the Giants.:shrug:

It looks very nice to me :shrug:

[Sheba]

My complaint would be that there's seating only along one side of the rink and the other side meets the wall. One end is open for something (entrance to the building or the rink itself?) and we can't see if there's anything at the other end.

https://i2.wp.com/www.civicsurrey.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/newarena3.png
http://www.civicsurrey.com/

[officedweller]

I think there's another open space behind that wall - you can see through some of the openings - could be another rink or a gym?
If it's a gym - it also raises the question whether that dividing wall is moveable (with the uneven openings to show a "flex" wall) to allow for additional seating on the other side (for special events) - subject to what look like narrow steel columns to support the joint in the roof arches.

The wavey roof form over the rink pictured is - I think - the middle arch on the exterior drawings.

http://i0.wp.com/www.civicsurrey.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/newarena2.png
http://www.civicsurrey.com/2016/11/11/first-look-at-the-new-north-surrey-arenas-replacement-project/

[Shift]

Arena looks fine. It's not meant to be a spectator arena... its function is for minor hockey leagues mainly, mostly for youth, as the current rinks serve now.

Will be a much welcome addition the Scott Rd Station area, and hopefully spur further re-development around it / kick-start the South Westminster Plan.

With completion in summer 2019 though, looks like we still have a long wait until the Surrey Central rinks can be redeveloped.

[Whalleyboy]

the reason for the blank wall is for the plan of future expansion. While only building two right now they want to have more there in the futures.

[Ramsay]

the reason for the blank wall is for the plan of future expansion. While only building two right now they want to have more there in the futures.

I"m not so sure about that, it looks like there is another sheet of ice on the other side of that partition.

I think the design fits well with the South Westminster location.

[GMasterAres]

the reason for the blank wall is for the plan of future expansion. While only building two right now they want to have more there in the futures.

Building two what? The report says they are building three ice surfaces as part of this project. Sorry a bit confused.

[rickvug]

(whoops, wrong thread)

[Whalleyboy]

Building two what? The report says they are building three ice surfaces as part of this project. Sorry a bit confused.

I could have sworn the plans called for 2 with the planning for a 3rd later. I didn't see the plan change for three.

[red-paladin]

Some new White Rock proposals:

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2016/11/30/market-spotlight-white-rock-developments/

[scryer]

I think there's another open space behind that wall - you can see through some of the openings - could be another rink or a gym?
If it's a gym - it also raises the question whether that dividing wall is moveable (with the uneven openings to show a "flex" wall) to allow for additional seating on the other side (for special events) - subject to what look like narrow steel columns to support the joint in the roof arches.

The wavey roof form over the rink pictured is - I think - the middle arch on the exterior drawings.

http://i0.wp.com/www.civicsurrey.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/newarena2.png
http://www.civicsurrey.com/2016/11/11/first-look-at-the-new-north-surrey-arenas-replacement-project/

I don't mind the design but I really just want SOMETHING by Scott Road. That area is such a diamond in the rough. And I don't necessarily mean that we have to expand residential in the area either,

[BobLoblawsLawBlog]

Some new White Rock proposals:

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2016/11/30/market-spotlight-white-rock-developments/

Horrible design for the first one. They look like if Seapunk was thrown into architecture.

[Shift]

This one is back on the Council agenda for Monday Dec 5 for OCP Amendment, Rezoning, DP, and DVP, also to set a date for another Public Hearing.

Since the last Public Hearing in 2015, the developer, WestStone, has now acquired all of the mobile homes on the property, with the last purchase set to close on June 30, 2017.

At that point the site will be vacated and they can move forward with the project.

Will see two 6-storey seniors apartment buildings, and a 12-storey mixed-use assisted living care facility/office building built across the street from Surrey Memorial and at the southern edge of City Centre. Will also create a new road dedication extending 95 Avenue from the west,


http://i.imgur.com/qqzFS5c.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/cekaj5d.jpg?3

http://i.imgur.com/0P25TZU.jpg?1

http://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/PLR_7915-0114-00(3).pdf

[Shift]

Open House was held last week for Forsyth Park, a new park being planned for City Centre. Phase 1 is scheduled to open by Fall 2017.

There was a nice illustrative plan of the future City Centre as part of the boards.

See link below for boards:

http://i.imgur.com/kPOYXyG.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/G4qrJJ1.jpg?1

Close up of the Surrey Central area:

http://i.imgur.com/uwy52aH.jpg

http://www.surrey.ca/culture-recreation/2076.aspx

[officedweller]

By Yellow Fever Dec 3rd:

Surrey

https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5740/31031288030_82058cb67a_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Ph8sPq)20161203_131048 (https://flic.kr/p/Ph8sPq) by Yellow Fever @ SkyscraperCity (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52692029@N04/), on Flickr

[CoryHolmes]

I notice on that new plan that the Safeway lot opposite of the City Hall Plaza is chopped in half, with a new road between it.

I know with the Anthem Properties towers going up where Save On and Canadian Tire are, but are there plans to renovate the Safeway lot?

[Sheba]

I notice on that new plan that the Safeway lot opposite of the City Hall Plaza is chopped in half, with a new road between it.

I know with the Anthem Properties towers going up where Save On and Canadian Tire are, but are there plans to renovate the Safeway lot?

Nothing concrete that I know of - but it's a given that all the ground scraping lots in the area will be redeveloped. I'm more curious how many owners there are on the plot between 102nd and 103rd (just south of Safeway and when looked at on a map it's a jumble of buildings). If that hasn't been consolidated yet then it's going to take a looong time 'cause you know someone will hold out for more money.

[artmarkii]

Surrey's skyline is sure starting to become more impressive. Once Evolve and Prime On The Plaza is built, that gaps between the buildings will be filled out a bit more.

[Shift]

I notice on that new plan that the Safeway lot opposite of the City Hall Plaza is chopped in half, with a new road between it.

I know with the Anthem Properties towers going up where Save On and Canadian Tire are, but are there plans to renovate the Safeway lot?


There haven't been any applications submitted.

In the future when an application is submitted on the Safeway site, they will have to dedicate roads/lanes as per the City Centre Road Network Plan (same as shown on the illustrative plan).

Buildings shown are just conceptual obviously since there are no applications, but the roads will be as shown on that plan.

[Shift]

Nothing concrete that I know of - but it's a given that all the ground scraping lots in the area will be redeveloped. I'm more curious how many owners there are on the plot between 102nd and 103rd (just south of Safeway and when looked at on a map it's a jumble of buildings). If that hasn't been consolidated yet then it's going to take a looong time 'cause you know someone will hold out for more money.


There are a lot of different owners in that block. Just because it isn't consolidated yet, doesn't mean that it will take any longer to develop than if it were. Many land assemblies retain their separate ownership right through the approvals process after an application has been submitted. They will change ownership at some point during the process, but can't delay it.

A developer could be working on something for those parcels behind the scenes with the various owners and we just don't know.

The one application we do know of that's coming in that block is the 50-Storey Education Centre (site in red below). I would expect the rest of the block to be the next in line to redevelop after the central block between University Dr and City Parkway is built out, or concurrently with it.


http://i.imgur.com/tvxzX4z.jpg

[officedweller]

Shift's previous post in Sept:

Nice info! That is a massive site with a lot of potential. 7 towers with retail and office sounds promising, especially with Anthem as the developer.

The site contains 2 future road extensions and a new Green Lane that the city wants to see built, so this project would see all those constructed. It would continue the extension of the re-aligned 102A Ave that will:
Start at SFU -> through the existing Surrey Central Bus Loop -> through the 50 Storey Education Centre site to King George Blvd - And now finally through that mega block between KGB and Whalley Blvd with this proposal.

The plan below shows the new roads to be built in the area as per the City Centre plan, and how each of these developments is facilitating it.

Exciting times for Surrey City Centre!

Also the McDonalds site adjacent to the Anthem site is currently under application for a renovation. Curious as to if the plan will respond to the 102A extention that is supposed align along its north edge.

http://i.imgur.com/ELFX14j.jpg

[Shift]

New application next to Scott Rd Station:

4 Mixed-Use Buildings containing 514 dwelling units and 11,867 sq.ft. of commercial CRU space.

Site outlined in red below just to the east of Scott Rd Station, and just north of where the new ice rinks are going.

Finally some redevelopment/TOD in that area.

http://i.imgur.com/hFFMEOM.jpg

[clee7903]

Are there any info on the 16-0685-00 site, a city report? Can't seem to find any online.

[Shift]

The application just appeared so no. It would now be under initial review by staff, who will write a report on it once that process is complete, and it's ready to go to council.

A report is released / finished about a week before a project first goes to council for 1st and 2nd reading.

[GMasterAres]

Back in 2012 Home Depot had plans go through council to redevelop that parcel of land add several low-rise buildings + a church. Didn't move forward and looks as though they sold that land to Weststone who is now the one putting forward the redevelopment you mention at Scott Road.

Be interested to see what they end up doing. It's a fairly large parcel so you could definitely build some sizeable mid-rises (6 storey buildings) but to get 514 units + mixed use I'd imagine they _may_ need to have some slightly taller buildings. Probably a good year before we see anything on it.

[clee7903]

Yeah - some low rise residential would be ideal. Although there isn't too much retail services there now, the convenience of Skytrain is a start. A similar tone to South Surrey Morgan Crossing would look nice.

[SurreyonTheMap]

Who owns the plot of land above the Anthem Site on Shift's post?

[Shift]

^ It's owned by an investor / holdings company.

Good to hear WestStone is the one who bought the Scott Rd site. Good track record with them and lots of high profile projects by them in the works.

[Ramsay]

This area has the potential to become the Stadium District of Surrey, similar to what they have in Seattle. They should move the Lions training facility down here also.

http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/cityplanning/completeprojectslist/stadiumstudy/WhatWhy/

[Shift]

6-Storey 'La Voda Living' Condos coming to 132 & King George Blvd. Will infill a long-standing vacant lot that's visible from the SkyTrain as you're coming up the hill.

https://urbansurrey.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/2rjndra.jpg
https://urbansurrey.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/6-storey-la-voda-living-condos-coming-to-132-st-king-george-blvd/

[EhJay]

6-Storey 'La Voda Living' Condos coming to 132 & King George Blvd. Will infill a long-standing vacant lot that's visible from the SkyTrain as you're coming up the hill.

https://urbansurrey.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/2rjndra.jpg
https://urbansurrey.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/6-storey-la-voda-living-condos-coming-to-132-st-king-george-blvd/

Looks much nicer than the empty field there!

[Sheba]

6-Storey 'La Voda Living' Condos coming to 132 & King George Blvd. Will infill a long-standing vacant lot that's visible from the SkyTrain as you're coming up the hill.


I'm happy to see some lowrise buildings like this around Surrey Centre. Almost all we hear about are the towers, and then next to them is SFH (and I'd be surprised if there isn't some nimby-ism happening - it's a big change for the area). So to see something between those two extremes is refreshing. :)

[Blease]

I'm happy to see some lowrise buildings like this around Surrey Centre. Almost all we hear about are the towers, and then next to them is SFH (and I'd be surprised if there isn't some nimby-ism happening - it's a big change for the area). So to see something between those two extremes is refreshing. :)

Nothing against towers but more 6 to 8 storey structures in Central City would definitely do wonders. On that note, I really like SFU's new campus, it will be the equivalent of an 8 storey building.

[Shift]

I am liking the 6-storey building format as well. There are a few other 6 storey projects underway in City Centre right now in addition to this:

HQ (https://urbansurrey.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/hq-condos-140-st-106-ave/)


Ninety-Six (https://urbansurrey.wordpress.com/2016/07/08/coming-soon-ninety-six/)


And another project currently under construction near 137 and 101 that is strangely not being marketed at all but known as ASAS condominiums in a Surrey Planning Report: https://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/PLR_7913-0257-00.pdf


It seems 6-storeys is becoming the new 4-storeys. Really adds a nice urban feel and European style density in contrast to the point towers with townhouse podium so common in this region. Looking forward to more of these popping up.

[EhJay]

I am liking the 6-storey building format as well.

And another project currently under construction near 137 and 101 that is strangely not being marketed at all but known as ASAS condominiums in a Surrey Planning Report: https://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/PLR_7913-0257-00.pdf



I wish this project was on the East side of Whalley Boulevard instead of on 137. Not that it's "far" away, but seeing the East side of Whalley Blvd get rebuild with 6 stories would be nice even though that area is designated 3.5 FAR vs the 2.5 where they're building at, which I get is why they would build where they are.

[Shift]

Surrey City Centre Stage 2 Final Plan going to council on Monday. Full report here with plenty of goods:

http://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/CR_2017-R014.pdf

[SurreyonTheMap]

Surrey City Centre Stage 2 Final Plan going to council on Monday. Full report here with plenty of goods:

http://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/CR_2017-R014.pdf

That picture of how Downtown Surrey will look like on page 47 is amazing. They should put an Arena where the empty spot where gateway station is just to make it even look more crazy.

[EhJay]

Interesting tidbit in that report:

"In 2010, the average income of economic families in Surrey was $92,446, while the average family income in City Centre was $61,799."

And yes, the map on Page 47 of the projected build out looks amazing

[SurreyonTheMap]

I have heard Vancouver has a law with how tall some building can be with regards to a beauty law, but i was wondering does Surrey have this as well? I heard the previous mayor Doug try to make some really tall high rises but they weren't passed in council.

[LeftCoaster]

Huh?

If you're asking if Surrey has a viewcone restriction, then no it does not.

No idea who Doug is (assuming Macallum) or which buildings may have been rejected at council.

[SurreyonTheMap]

I was just wondering if there was a restriction on high a building can go in surrey because in this article there have been past buildings that have been proposed.

http://www.civicsurrey.com/2008/10/30/70-storey-tower-complex-planned-for-king-george-station/

Thats why I was wondering if there was a sort of restriction with regards to how Surrey's building can only go up to a certain height. If there is not, I hope for the day Surrey does get a 70 storey tower.

[Whalleyboy]

I was just wondering if there was a restriction on high a building can go in surrey because in this article there have been past buildings that have been proposed.

http://www.civicsurrey.com/2008/10/30/70-storey-tower-complex-planned-for-king-george-station/

Thats why I was wondering if there was a sort of restriction with regards to how Surrey's building can only go up to a certain height. If there is not, I hope for the day Surrey does get a 70 storey tower.

Surrey actually does have a height restriction in place on building around central. It is open to allowing increase with in the Surrey central skytrain area if the building can be iconic enough in design. it is trying to keep open view areas to the north shore mountains. The largest areas are central with smaller peak areas near the other skytrain stations

[Shift]

Development application has been submitted for 'West Village Phase 5' - 46-Storey condo tower with retail and commercial at ground level.

This will be 10 storeys higher than Evolve and Ultra and complete the block.

http://i.imgur.com/sAjv57W.png

https://urbansurrey.com/2017/01/27/development-application-submitted-for-new-46-storey-tower-in-west-village/

[CoryHolmes]

Any ideas about what's going on at 104 and 132nd St? I see construction crews on the lot during my morning commute.

[AForce]

Any ideas about what's going on at 104 and 132nd St? I see construction crews on the lot during my morning commute.

I believe there used to be a gas station there. Looks like land prices are finally high enough for them to do something on that spot. I'm sure there's a bunch of environmental hoops to jump through

[Shift]

^Not sure what is happening at 132 & 104. There are no development applications on that property.


On another note:

Anthem Properties has updated their Surrey City Centre project page with a rendering of the project. Doesn't show much, but gives a glimpse of their idea for the site.

Interesting that they are using Uniqlo's branding in it.... Perhaps they have them signed on as a retail tenant already? Seems early.

http://i.imgur.com/8Y7FRjc.jpg?1

https://anthemproperties.com/properties/surrey-city-centre/

[EhJay]

That looks a lot better than the giant parking lot on site now!

[Shift]

Will be a very significant and transformative project for the area for sure. Looking forward to more details to come.

[clee7903]

If nothing, at least the Uniqlo store is something to look forward to but I'm sure it's most likely just a stock photo they're using.

[Shift]

^Not sure they would blatantly use a brand in their promotional material like that without something behind it?

I would not doubt a Uniqlo could open in that location. So much opportunity for new retail in this area, especially brands that aren't already at Guildford. Although i'm sure we will start to see dual locations at Guildford and City Centre.

[urbancanadian]

It's just a placeholder sign - I would be shocked if Uniqlo opened there. They also have River Island there and AFAIK they have no expansion plans to Canada ATM.

Development application has been submitted for 'West Village Phase 5' - 46-Storey condo tower with retail and commercial at ground level.

This will be 10 storeys higher than Evolve and Ultra and complete the block.

http://i.imgur.com/sAjv57W.png

https://urbansurrey.com/2017/01/27/development-application-submitted-for-new-46-storey-tower-in-west-village/

I can't find the application online. Do you have the link?

[GMasterAres]

It's just a placeholder sign - I would be shocked if Uniqlo opened there. They also have River Island there and AFAIK they have no expansion plans to Canada ATM.



I can't find the application online. Do you have the link?

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=17&seq=0011

[urbancanadian]

Thanks but I was meaning the full application with the elevations, statistics, etc. Usually can find it all in the Planning Reports (http://www.surrey.ca/city-government/5659.aspx) section but I don't see it.

[Shift]

^ The Planning Report which would have all of that in it isn't prepared until the project is set to go to council.

The application was just submitted.

[LeftCoaster]

Retailers don't typically sign that far ahead, and certainly not one that doesn't have a single operating store in the entirety of Western Canada.

100% that sign is an aspirational placeholder.

[ToTheTopNow]

Coast Capital looks cool.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/691/32573260505_dcdb5914e2_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RCotvK)20170125_152022 (https://flic.kr/p/RCotvK) by City Of Rain (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

http://vancouver.skyrisecities.com/forum/threads/surrey-coast-capital-head-office-9-floors.26728/

[Shift]

Major upgrade of 100 Ave between Surrey City Centre and Guildford to begin this month.

Widening to 4 lanes, grade-separated bike paths, new street lighting, new signalized intersections, improved access to Green Timbers Park.

https://urbansurrey.com/2017/02/07/major-upgrade-of-100-avenue-to-begin-this-month/

https://urbansurrey.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/jv2hjn7.jpg

https://urbansurrey.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/yz7cswr.jpg

[Sheba]

Major upgrade of 100 Ave between Surrey City Centre and Guildford to begin this month.

Widening to 4 lanes, grade-separated bike paths, new street lighting, new signalized intersections, improved access to Green Timbers Park.


More accurately this is an upgrade to 100th along the north side of Green Timbers Park - from 140th to 148th. Either side of is already 4 lanes (at the 140th side they'll have to do some lane repainting).

It's one of the things that drives me nuts about Surrey streets (and it's come up on here before) - the checkerboard state of streets where it jumps back and forth between 4 lanes and 2 lanes. I really wish Surrey would fix more of them as quite a few wouldn't be much more than paving the shoulder and painting lines.

Part of me is surprised to not have nimby's out screaming about cutting down trees to do this. They certainly have been out in force about cutting down trees (even dead ones) along Fraser Hwy.

:cheers:

[EhJay]

That'll be nice. Hopfeully they get it looking like that eventually right from KGB to 152 st though.

As for the trees along Fraser Hwy: Little known fact is that they aren't technically apart of Green Timbers Urban Forest. And when the road expansion for the LRT goes through there, the size of Green Timbers will actually increase in designated space. So, yes, trees are being cut down, BUT more area will officially be added to the Forest.

[Equinox71]

That'll be nice. Hopfeully they get it looking like that eventually right from KGB to 152 st though.

As for the trees along Fraser Hwy: Little known fact is that they aren't technically apart of Green Timbers Urban Forest. And when the road expansion for the LRT goes through there, the size of Green Timbers will actually increase in designated space. So, yes, trees are being cut down, BUT more area will officially be added to the Forest.

I'm wondering if this 100th Ave project isn't part of preparation to off-load some of the 104th traffic in preparation for LRT along that route.

[Shift]

I'm wondering if this 100th Ave project isn't part of preparation to off-load some of the 104th traffic in preparation for LRT along that route.

It's a designated Arterial Road regardless of the LRT project. Its current out-dated 2-lane cross-section is not a proper arterial road standard. The upgrade would happen regardless.

Arterial Road Standards in Surrey:

https://surrey.ca/city-services/13367.aspx

[Shift]

More accurately this is an upgrade to 100th along the north side of Green Timbers Park - from 140th to 148th. Either side of is already 4 lanes (at the 140th side they'll have to do some lane repainting).


:cheers:

Well generally it connects Surrey City Centre to Guildford.

There is still a section between 138 to 140th that will still be single lane in each direction with a turning lane in the middle. The diagrams posted show a widening to 4 lanes slightly west of 140th but not as far as 138th. Seems like this should have been included in the upgrade.

Section that will still be 2 lanes between 140 and 138:

http://i.imgur.com/zE3mY6s.jpg?1


Where it widens to 4 lanes at 138:

http://i.imgur.com/xWGHtfn.jpg?1


Extent of widening west of 140th:

https://urbansurrey.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/uxfy2841.jpg


Maybe they are getting rid of the middle turning lane for the entire stretch to 138th but just not showing it on the plans?

[GMasterAres]

So the above shows that it won't be 100% complete when.. well complete. Eastbound going up the hill will still merge into 1 lane and then 2 blocks later widen back to 2 lanes @ 140th. Guessing this is because of delays in getting properties along that stretch to widen fully.

So basically 100th will be 2 lanes from KGB to 138, then 140th to 154th.

Definitely needed though the real problem is @ 140th and through the Green Timbers stretch and it will be nice to have a proper interface with Green Timbers. We access it via the Jim Pattison area only because you can't really walk along 100th to get to the lake unless you walk on the road itself which is dangerous.

[clee7903]

Absolutely love this...this is long overdue.

[flipper316]

Major upgrade of 100 Ave between Surrey City Centre and Guildford to begin this month.

Widening to 4 lanes, grade-separated bike paths, new street lighting, new signalized intersections, improved access to Green Timbers Park.

https://urbansurrey.com/2017/02/07/major-upgrade-of-100-avenue-to-begin-this-month/

https://urbansurrey.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/jv2hjn7.jpg

https://urbansurrey.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/yz7cswr.jpg

Great just what we need more traffic lights to improve flow. Currently at 100 and 144 there's no traffic lights and 144 is not even a busy road. Why do we need lights there. Why can't cars wishing to turn left onto 100 from 144 just use 140 or 148. It's the same deal with 144 and Fraser. Why are there lights there?

[flipper316]

So the above shows that it won't be 100% complete when.. well complete. Eastbound going up the hill will still merge into 1 lane and then 2 blocks later widen back to 2 lanes @ 140th. Guessing this is because of delays in getting properties along that stretch to widen fully.

So basically 100th will be 2 lanes from KGB to 138, then 140th to 154th.

Definitely needed though the real problem is @ 140th and through the Green Timbers stretch and it will be nice to have a proper interface with Green Timbers. We access it via the Jim Pattison area only because you can't really walk along 100th to get to the lake unless you walk on the road itself which is dangerous.

Good old Surrey from 2 lanes to 4 lanes, 2 lanes to 4 lanes etc etc etc. Look at 160, 168, 152, KGB in South Surrey, 72, it just never ends the inconsistency.

[Shift]

Census numbers from this weeks release show Surrey added the most new residents vs any other Metro Vancouver municipality by a wide margin.

http://i.imgur.com/VUomYMg.png

[officedweller]

add in North Delta and Surrey's probably close to Vancouver's population.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Census numbers from this weeks release show Surrey added the most new residents vs any other Metro Vancouver municipality by a wide margin.



You may not see that trend continue for a while. Vancouver is now building housing units faster than Surrey. Burnaby is also building very quickly.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next census has Burnaby and Vancouver both growing faster than Surrey due to the amount of backlogged condo developments underway.

[Blease]

You may not see that trend continue for a while. Vancouver is now building housing units faster than Surrey. Burnaby is also building very quickly.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next census has Burnaby and Vancouver both growing faster than Surrey due to the amount of backlogged condo developments underway.

There may indeed be an uptick in construction in Vancouver and Burnaby but that by no means becomes a trend. Surrey has had the largest population increases in in Greater Vancouver for some time now and that is not about to change. Simply put Surrey has more developable land available at better prices and a friendlier development/ regulatory environment than any other municipality in the region. At the end of the day this is where new populations will flock and by corollary, development dollars.

[osirisboy]

There may indeed be an uptick in construction in Vancouver and Burnaby but that by no means becomes a trend. Surrey has had the largest population increases in in Greater Vancouver for some time now and that is not about to change. Simply put Surrey has more developable land available at better prices and a friendlier development/ regulatory environment than any other municipality in the region. At the end of the day this is where new populations will flock and by corollary, development dollars.

Yet it seems so hard to get developments started here

[Alex Mackinnon]

There may indeed be an uptick in construction in Vancouver and Burnaby but that by no means becomes a trend. Surrey has had the largest population increases in in Greater Vancouver for some time now and that is not about to change. Simply put Surrey has more developable land available at better prices and a friendlier development/ regulatory environment than any other municipality in the region. At the end of the day this is where new populations will flock and by corollary, development dollars.

That may be true, but it's also true that developments in Surrey are the first on the chopping block when markets slow because the margins are lower.

For reference, Vancouver had almost 3x as many housing compared to Surrey last year and Burnaby had 1.5x as many.

[Blease]

That may be true, but it's also true that developments in Surrey are the first on the chopping block when markets slow because the margins are lower.

For reference, Vancouver had almost 3x as many housing compared to Surrey last year and Burnaby had 1.5x as many.

As I said before, a one year year uptptick has no bearing on the general trend line.

[Blease]

Yet it seems so hard to get developments started here


How difficult could it be when twenty or so projects have either started or completed in the last five years within one square-kilometre of Surrey City Centre.