Surrey/South Fraser Updates

[Shift]

Another massive project heading to Council Monday:

Bosa Bluesky's 'Brightside' on the former Brick site.


40-Storey Residential with Retail at grade (Phase 1)
50-Storey Residential with 17-Storey Office podium (Phase 2)
50-Storey Residential with 8-Storey podium including 200 rental units (Phase 3)
Large commercial / market hall building in centre of site


https://i.imgur.com/dWxdFpF.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/w01htCQ.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/i100TIn.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/oMHL8Z5.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/RCapZ1H.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/vD9bcF4.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/942iPj2.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/6uQSvtW.jpg?1

[Sheba]

Another massive project heading to Council Monday:

Bosa Bluesky's 'Brightside' on the former Brick site.


40-Storey Residential with Retail at grade (Phase 1)
50-Storey Residential with 17-Storey Office podium (Phase 2)
50-Storey Residential with 8-Storey podium including 200 rental units (Phase 3)
Large commercial / market hall building in centre of site


https://i.imgur.com/w01htCQ.jpg?1


I'm really liking the stepped podium on this one. I hope they keep the coloured glass too. :)

[scryer]

Another excellent proposal for Surrey. I have stolen it and put it in the Canadian proposals thread.

[osirisboy]

Well this is fantastic! Great to see a proposal that's getting away from point towers.

[dferch]

This is really cool, and its nice to see more action near city hall. I guess we'll have to wait some more to see a 60+ floor tower but that's alright lol

[officedweller]

Nice, this should break the table top.
Is the amenity access at grade? That should really be a level up,
separated from public areas as there will be a lot of people milling about.

What's the other tower on the same block?

[Shift]

The market hall building will be great for the area as well. Liking the design, even though it's likely very preliminary.

Noticed the south side residential portion of the stepped tower resembles Vancouver House in balcony pattern.

There's also a sneak peek at Concord's next project in Surrey to the left of this project in the top (north facing) elevation. Shorter, wide, and curved (similar to the Arc?)

https://i.imgur.com/6uQSvtW.jpg?1

[officedweller]

There's also a sneak peek at Concord's next project in Surrey to the left of this project in the top (north facing) elevation. Shorter, wide, and curved (similar to the Arc?)


Or Avenue One?

The office podium reminds me of the original or modified massing for Marine Gateway (also by Perkins Will):

https://pricetags.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/marine-gateway-1.jpg
https://pricetags.ca/2010/05/17/marine-gateway/

https://www.vancouverobserver.com/sites/vancouverobserver.com/files/imagecache/vo_scale_w850/images/blog/body/Marine%20Gateway.jpg
https://www.vancouverobserver.com/blogs/thescene/2010/06/23/barsta-proposed-broadway-line-and-developments-around-canada-line

[Cypherus]

Amazing to see this proposal being made, and the heights of the tallest tower being similar to 3 Civic Plaza will add to the urbanity of the downtown core. The street level experience looks inviting. This proposal abhors the urban planning model of building towers around a banal looking mall - like Mississauga. This is an urban downtown core on the rise.

Interesting how they still show GEC Centre still being the tallest despite its revised application to lower the height. Maybe they know something we don't.

[dferch]

This project should probably have it's own thread

[nickinacan]

I guess the next big thing coming would be to fill the gap of the "Centre Block", so I wonder if that's going to incorporate a 60+ floor mixed use landmark tower, with smaller towers and the YMCA around it to add some breathing room to the area.

[NewfBC]

Surrey House!

The side of the tower and podium remind me of Vancouver House.. a lot.

Ron.

[Metro-One]

167.6m for the tallest tower (new tallest for Surrey)

And 155.1m for the second tallest.

Not bad at all, hope this project has momentum.

[officedweller]

Interesting how they still show GEC Centre still being the tallest despite its revised application to lower the height. Maybe they know something we don't.

Probably just been in the works since before that downgrade.

[officedweller]

This map shows where the Concord Pacific project is located - curved building upper left.
Interesting that the podium is set back, as if it could accommodate a branch line from the Expo Line
across to 105th Ave (and eventually to 104th Ave) - I know, wishful thinking....

This project looks great! Phase 1 is expected to be completed by 2025.

BlueSky Brightside brings 1,300 homes to Surrey City Centre
https://urbanyvr.com/bluesky-brightside-surrey

https://urbanyvr.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/BlueSky-Brightside-location-Surrey-City-Centre-595x589.jpg

[officedweller]

The Holland
Phase 2

The Holland Phase 2, a 227,000 SF residential tower with 305 market units, has received unanimous support from the City of Surrey Advisory Design Panel. The Holland is a two-phased residential development project, Phase 1 with 25 storeys and Phase 2 with 32 storeys, located in a parkside setting at the centre of a vibrant, urban city centre in Surrey. Phase 1 construction is expected to begin in May 2020.
https://www.townline.ca/en/homes/new-homes/holland

https://www.townline.ca/en/homes/new-homes/holland

From GBL twitter March 13th

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETBfJPSUUAAI0ZO?format=jpg&name=medium
The Holland Phase 2 Development in Surrey received support from Advisory Design Panel
https://twitter.com/GBLArchitects

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETBfMduU4AAYoFC?format=jpg&name=medium
https://twitter.com/GBLArchitects

[Cypherus]

^Great find. Thank you for sharing the update. Tower 2 looks great as well as the location.

[Shift]

Nice to see a height increase on Phase 2. It was originally proposed at 25 storeys, same as Phase 1. Liking the podium and top of the tower as well.

[SpongeG]

I don't know the name but its down by Scott Road Station and the Home Depot

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49719182607_113407dc47_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2iKvNNk)2020-03-30_08-54-07 (https://flic.kr/p/2iKvNNk) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49718870131_65c1dd7286_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2iKucUP)2020-03-30_08-54-22 (https://flic.kr/p/2iKucUP) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49719182957_12e86fc239_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2iKvNUn)2020-03-30_08-54-15 (https://flic.kr/p/2iKvNUn) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49719183547_98d1581746_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2iKvP5x)2020-03-30_08-54-28 (https://flic.kr/p/2iKvP5x) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

[SFUVancouver]

^ And built in the flood plain, too. Unbelievable.

City of Surrey flood plain map for this area (marked yellow, as it is dyked): https://www.surrey.ca/files/Freshet3.pdf

BC Lower Mainland Emergency Planning Floodplain maps, SW sector: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/environment/air-land-water/water/integrated-flood-hazard-mgmt/sector_sw.pdf (note, the dyke protecting the subject area is cautioned as being a "low dyke".)

[Vin]

Another massive project heading to Council Monday:

Bosa Bluesky's 'Brightside' on the former Brick site.


40-Storey Residential with Retail at grade (Phase 1)
50-Storey Residential with 17-Storey Office podium (Phase 2)
50-Storey Residential with 8-Storey podium including 200 rental units (Phase 3)
Large commercial / market hall building in centre of site


https://i.imgur.com/942iPj2.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/6uQSvtW.jpg?1

Really exciting project for this part of downtown Surrey, but since this location is so central, the street interaction should be improved. There should be a lot more retail than just one commercial podium. Loving the heights here.

[GenWhy?]

Really exciting project for this part of downtown Surrey, but since this location is so central, the street interaction should be improved. There should be a lot more retail than just one commercial podium. Loving the heights here.

There are 2 commercial podiums (tower 1 & 2) and a stand-along commercial building in the centre of the project that builds the part of a commercial activated mews that runs to the north of the site to the quieter residential at-grade tower 3 and the amenities.

[GenWhy?]

The lane is treated surprisingly well, if I remember.

[Sheba]

City of White Rock wins court fight over building-height restriction (https://vancouversun.com/news/city-of-white-rock-wins-court-fight-over-building-height-restriction/)


The B.C. Supreme Court has sided with the City of White Rock in a dispute over a developer’s plan to build a 12-storey building.

In June 2018 the then-city council passed a resolution to issue a development permit to G.S.R. Capital Group, authorizing the construction of a 30-unit, 12 storey residential building to replace the existing two-storey structure.

A month later the city issued a development permit for G.S.R. but after a municipal election later that year, a new council was sworn in. The new council passed a number of resolutions, one of which was aimed at amending a bylaw to reduce the permitted maximum height of any building at the G.S.R. site from 12 to six storeys.

The city notified the company of the resolutions and later invited it to make submissions on the changes being contemplated.

The company submitted a building-permit application in January 2019 with council later directing that the permit be withheld after identifying a “conflict” between the planned development and the zoning bylaw amendments under preparation.

A public hearing was held in March and council later held a special meeting at which it passed bylaws limiting the maximum height of the property to six storeys. The city told the developer that it was not permitted to proceed with the development as originally contemplated.

The developer took the city to court and sought a judicial review of the decisions made by City of White Rock.

It argued that it should be entitled to proceed with a 12-storey building at 1310 Johnston Rd., in the Lower Town Centre of the city, and also sought orders quashing the new bylaws and resolutions. The developer raised a number of arguments, including that the development permit scheme was aimed at providing a degree of certainty to both developers and municipalities. The company claimed that the decision to withhold a building permit was unreasonable.

The city responded by arguing that a council’s decision to issue a development permit was not a general approval of all aspects of a development and told the judge that it had acted reasonably and fairly.

In her ruling, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Carla Forth found the city’s decision to adopt the bylaws to be reasonable and lawful, and declined to grant the orders sought by the developer.

“City council did what we thought was in the public interest for the city of White Rock with regard to the height of buildings in the Lower Town Centre of White Rock,” White Rock Mayor Darryl Walker said in a statement. “The city must ensure development meets the needs of the community while helping to create the White Rock we want to see in the future.”

[Vin]

There are 2 commercial podiums (tower 1 & 2) and a stand-along commercial building in the centre of the project that builds the part of a commercial activated mews that runs to the north of the site to the quieter residential at-grade tower 3 and the amenities.

I don't know. It just feels like way too much plaza space: should have way more concentrated retail instead. But love the overall proposal.

[officedweller]

I didn't think the Brightside project had enough retail along the Mews.
It looked like the amenity building took up a lot of the Mews frontage and would be inaccessible/deadspace to the general public.

[dferch]

I found some renders for the Fleetwood development at Fraser & 84 ave. It's still very conceptual at this point but interesting nonetheless.

http://bucci.com/fleetwood/

https://i.imgur.com/5zjP7IQ.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/bCkJ7w7.png?1

[sryboy]

I found some renders for the Fleetwood development at Fraser & 84 ave. It's still very conceptual at this point but interesting nonetheless.


Nice find!:cheers:

[Cypherus]

Great find. Thank you for sharing. Project scope looks reasonable for the area.

[scryer]

It is definitely a great find. I'm happy to see this kind of change to the area.

[Shift]

Thanks for sharing. That will certainly change the feel of the area (currently all auto dealerships, strip malls, and townhomes).

Application is underway but won't be able to receive Final Approval until the Fleetwood Plan is finalized in 2022.

Therefore would expect this to start construction 2023 at earliest / completion 2026 or later if phased. Would tie in with the opening of the SkyTrain to Fleetwood in 2025.

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=19&seq=0366

[Equinox71]

Would tie in with the opening of the SkyTrain to Fleetwood in 2025.

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=19&seq=0366

After watching NW mayor Jonathon Cote on the news tonight speaking of Translink needing serious funding during COVID, I highly doubt that any current Translink expansions will be on target. The whole system is taking such a colossal hit at this time that it's hard to imagine plans continuing with current timelines.

[montyhallgoat]

After watching NW mayor Jonathon Cote on the news tonight speaking of Translink needing serious funding during COVID, I highly doubt that any current Translink expansions will be on target. The whole system is taking such a colossal hit at this time that it's hard to imagine plans continuing with current timelines.

I'm more optimistic about the SkyTrain extensions than ever.
The governments will probably greenlight various infrastructure projects as part of the post-COVID 19 economic recovery plan.
It's understandable that they have a no plan to bail Translink out on day-to-day expenses, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be a different story for infrastructure projects.

With the economy down the toilet, both the federal and provincial governments need to introduce stimulus package with tax-cuts and massive public spendings to jump-start the economy.
Infrastructure projects are popular because they have long-lasting benefits to the region while creating short-term jobs and demands, while politicians can boast about them and rack up more votes.

I think it's more likely than ever to see full SkyTrain extensions all the way to Langley and UBC at once because of the pandemic.
Heck, they might even throw in the gondola to SFU and a hyperloop or two trying to salvage whatever left of the economy.

[cairnstone]

I'm more optimistic about the SkyTrain extensions than ever.
The governments will probably greenlight various infrastructure projects as part of the post-COVID 19 economic recovery plan.
It's understandable that they have a no plan to bail Translink out on day-to-day expenses, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be a different story for infrastructure projects.

With the economy down the toilet, both the federal and provincial governments need to introduce stimulus package with tax-cuts and massive public spendings to jump-start the economy.
Infrastructure projects are popular because they have long-lasting benefits to the region while creating short-term jobs and demands, while politicians can boast about them and rack up more votes.

I think it's more likely than ever to see full SkyTrain extensions all the way to Langley and UBC at once because of the pandemic.
Heck, they might even throw in the gondola to SFU and a hyperloop or two trying to salvage whatever left of the economy.


Infrastructure spending in Vancouver area is pointless and you would not see any return on investment and it would actually cost more to build currently. Construction is currently running at 110 %. Many projects you see around town at a stand still are waiting for a key trade to have manpower available. For a lot of tasks there is only 2 or 3 contractors that do that service and they get booked a year ahead. Adding additional public funded projects to the mix to stimulate an already existing over capacity industry is plain stupid and a waste of taxes. Our taxes are going to go up a fair bit due to Covid response. The same thing is also said about the Community Benefit Agreement its a bull shit policy that is just wasting taxes. Might work if the Eastern part of the province or far north needs a freeway but anything local is just taking away from existing labor pool.

[dferch]

Which trades are in such short supply?

[GMasterAres]

Infrastructure spending in Vancouver area is pointless and you would not see any return on investment and it would actually cost more to build currently. Construction is currently running at 110 %. Many projects you see around town at a stand still are waiting for a key trade to have manpower available. For a lot of tasks there is only 2 or 3 contractors that do that service and they get booked a year ahead. Adding additional public funded projects to the mix to stimulate an already existing over capacity industry is plain stupid and a waste of taxes. Our taxes are going to go up a fair bit due to Covid response. The same thing is also said about the Community Benefit Agreement its a bull shit policy that is just wasting taxes. Might work if the Eastern part of the province or far north needs a freeway but anything local is just taking away from existing labor pool.

Pretty much spot on but what you're missing is logic doesn't enter into politics all the time, and people perceive of infrastructure spending as being this amazing economic driver. This is exactly why so many governments, when they have a surplus, instead of saying "Hey we have more money than we need, we'll CUT TAXES" instead say "Hey we have more money than we need, we'll SPEND MORE ON MORE STUFF!!!"

So he is probably right that we'll hear of some infrastructure spending pushes under the guise of Covid-19 recovery even though we know it doesn't work that way and they should probably likely NOT.

[Reecemartin]

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[dferch]

Well I guess I started something. Since I shared those renders, Daily Hive and Urban YVR have posted stories on the Fleetwood project.

https://urbanyvr.com/bucci-fleetwood-surrey
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/fleetwood-bucci-development-16065-16099-fraser-highway

[SpongeG]

I thought the funding for the skytrain expansion was locked down? they can't take it away now can they?

[SpongeG]

I pass this often, its going up on KGH sort of halfway between Newton and Surrey Central

Kings Landing II
https://d2kcmk0r62r1qk.cloudfront.net/imageSponsors/xlarge/2019_06_17_07_11_21_kings_landing_condos.png
buzzbuzzhome

Kings Landing which is complete is behind it
https://www.condosurrey.com/gallery/images/buildings/33518/s58cc7163b524a.jpg
condosurrey.com

[Equinox71]

Update on Surrey shelter / transitional housing project beside RCMP in Green Timbers (photos mine):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144853096@N08/49793742762/in/album-72157713956084188/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144853096@N08/49792892793/in/album-72157713956084188/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144853096@N08/49793744777/in/album-72157713956084188/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144853096@N08/49793437891/in/album-72157713956084188/

[Blease]

I pass this often, its going up on KGH sort of halfway between Newton and Surrey Central

Kings Landing II
https://d2kcmk0r62r1qk.cloudfront.net/imageSponsors/xlarge/2019_06_17_07_11_21_kings_landing_condos.png
buzzbuzzhome

Kings Landing which is complete is behind it
https://www.condosurrey.com/gallery/images/buildings/33518/s58cc7163b524a.jpg
condosurrey.com

Oh God, please tell me this name wasn’t inspired by Game of Thorns.

[Spr0ckets]

Oh God, please tell me this name wasn’t inspired by Game of Thorns.

Probably was named that a while ago while the show was still at the peak of its popularity as the most popular TV show on the planet.
And it probably even helped in sales.

It'd be a bit different today.
Like naming your kid 'Danaerys' or something, in 2020.

As it is right now, there's a lot of toddlers running around called "Dany", who will almost certainly be changing their names to "Danielle" or "Diana" when they become teenagers. (probably "Diana". Wonder Woman will still be popular then, I reckon)

That's assuming their "insightful" parents haven't already filed to get their names changed.

[SpongeG]

the same developer is building Fleetwood Village on the new skytrain line.

https://d2kcmk0r62r1qk.cloudfront.net/imageSponsors/xlarge/2019_09_16_03_04_19_fleetwood_village_condo_rendering.jpg
buzzbuzzhome

https://dev.eugeneoh.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Fleetwood-Village-Townhomes.jpg
dev.eugeneoh.ca

[SpongeG]

this is the sign for that lot just behind London Station

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49800060821_de1f41ce80_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2iSEk5i)2020-04-20_07-41-36 (https://flic.kr/p/2iSEk5i) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49800369257_68c00043e3_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2iSFULa)2020-04-20_07-41-41 (https://flic.kr/p/2iSFULa) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

[Nites]

Any renders? I saw that yesterday. I was hoping they could put at least 2 towers in that lot. It's really big.

[Westbased]

Any renders? I saw that yesterday. I was hoping they could put at least 2 towers in that lot. It's really big.

Council has requested 2 towers instead of the one currently proposed.

It is still in initial review I believe.

The developer, Janda Group, is rather busy with their Aldergrove project currently.

Unlikely any big steps taken here for a little while.

[Nites]

Council has requested 2 towers instead of the one currently proposed.

It is still in initial review I believe.

The developer, Janda Group, is rather busy with their Aldergrove project currently.

Unlikely any big steps taken here for a little while.

Sounds fair enough

[officedweller]

Semiah
White Rock

From Arno Matis twitter April 22, 2020

This one has topped out.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWQZK3hUMAI7e8d.jpg
https://twitter.com/ArnoMatisArch

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWQZK3vUMAE-KRf.jpg
https://twitter.com/ArnoMatisArch

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWQZK3wVAAEtvl1.jpg
https://twitter.com/ArnoMatisArch

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWQZK3vVcAEDcR3.jpg
https://twitter.com/ArnoMatisArch

***********

And from their website:

https://www.arnomatisarchitecture.com/images/projects/wind-shaped-tower/wind-shaped-tower-02a.jpg
https://www.arnomatisarchitecture.com/project-wind-shaped-tower.php

https://www.arnomatisarchitecture.com/images/projects/wind-shaped-tower/wind-shaped-tower-01.jpg
https://www.arnomatisarchitecture.com/project-wind-shaped-tower.php

[EhJay]

Has anyone heard of an update for the rental building "Surrey Village" at 9835 King George Blvd? There was an application to do exterior renovations but council struck it down.

I was just looking at some photos (https://www.realstar.ca/apartments/bc/surrey/surrey-village/photogallery.aspx)of the interior and it looks like they inside has been renovated / taken care of which you wouldn't know from looking at the outside. With all of the construction going on around (Hub, Park, Avani, Holland Parkside, etc) it would be nice to fill th at building in with a nicer exterior and help the neighoburhood.

[misher]

While I think there insane to move to a municipal police force, Surrey's economic action and recovery plan seems like a great example for other municipalities and I hope they put in something similar:

The City of Surrey is moving forward with a “proactive” plan to help accelerate the recovery of businesses, residents, and municipal operations, following City Council’s approval of the strategy in a virtual meeting on Monday.

There will be a 90-day extension on late payment penalties for residential and commercial property tax payments, with late payment charges to come into effect on October 1 instead of July 3.

On the construction industry side, new and in-stream projects with a construction value of over $25 million will benefit from a 50% reduction of many development-related fees.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/surrey-economic-plan-coronavirus

[EhJay]

Looks like UrbanSurrey posted it back in March, but there's an application (https://urbansurrey.blog/2019/03/27/development-application-submitted-for-mixed-use-tower-near-108-ave-king-george/)for the building just south of 108 and King George (across from the police station).

46 story tower with a 5 story podium is planned at this stage.

[Nites]

Looks like UrbanSurrey posted it back in March, but there's an application (https://urbansurrey.blog/2019/03/27/development-application-submitted-for-mixed-use-tower-near-108-ave-king-george/)for the building just south of 108 and King George (across from the police station).

46 story tower with a 5 story podium is planned at this stage.

That area is going to be flooded with some tall towers. Whalley Station Towers (51F & 47F) and Flamingo Towers (36F, 37F, 46F).

[scryer]

That area is going to be flooded with some tall towers. Whalley Station Towers (51F & 47F) and Flamingo Towers (36F, 37F, 46F).

Me-likes that :tup: .

[rpvan]

That area is going to be flooded with some tall towers. Whalley Station Towers (51F & 47F) and Flamingo Towers (36F, 37F, 46F).

Hopefully the start of a continuous streetwall along KGB all the way down to 96th Ave.

[dferch]

I noticed that there has been a fair bit of recent activity on the Knight & Day application, formally known as "Belvedere". This project seems kinda odd to me, as it is coming along, but there has been no announcement of units being for sale, or any marketing at all. Further, Square Nine's website says it'll be 30 stories but the application says 25.. Does anyone have any information as to whats going on with this.

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=17&seq=0462

[Nites]

I noticed that there has been a fair bit of recent activity on the Knight & Day application, formally known as "Belvedere". This project seems kinda odd to me, as it is coming along, but there has been no announcement of units being for sale, or any marketing at all. Further, Square Nine's website says it'll be 30 stories but the application says 25.. Does anyone have any information as to whats going on with this.

https://apps.surrey.ca/Online-Development-Inquiry/?year=17&seq=0462

They modified the building height from 85 meters to 92.5 meters. According to the project scoping documents. So there is a good chance it is around 30 floors. Although I think the extra 7.5 meters would only add 3 more floors.

[Equinox71]

Looks like the lot for Centra Surrey on 101 Ave has been cleared for construction:

https://flic.kr/p/2j1bHif (photo mine)

[Nites]

Looks like the lot for Centra Surrey on 101 Ave has been cleared for construction:

https://flic.kr/p/2j1bHif (photo mine)

Nice. I didn't even know that they had signage up for it already.

[GMasterAres]

The market hall building will be great for the area as well. Liking the design, even though it's likely very preliminary.

Noticed the south side residential portion of the stepped tower resembles Vancouver House in balcony pattern.

There's also a sneak peek at Concord's next project in Surrey to the left of this project in the top (north facing) elevation. Shorter, wide, and curved (similar to the Arc?)

https://i.imgur.com/6uQSvtW.jpg?1

Not sure if it was posted but looking at the council report for this large project (not the Concord one), they are saying tallest tower will be 175 meters. That would I believe be 20 meters taller than 3-Civic and about 10 meters shy of Brentwood One and Two which share 5th spot in the region.

[Nites]

Not sure if it was posted but looking at the council report for this large project (not the Concord one), they are saying tallest tower will be 175 meters. That would I believe be 20 meters taller than 3-Civic and about 10 meters shy of Brentwood One and Two which share 5th spot in the region.

Altus is actually taller then Brentwood One and Two because of the spire lol

[Nites]

Built, Proposed, U/C (100m and over)

1. Whalley Station 2 - 182m (Estimated) (Proposed)
2. Whalley Station 1 - 176m (Estimated) (Proposed)
3. Brightside Tower 2 - 169m (Proposed)
4. 3 Civic Plaza - 164m
5. Brightside Tower 3 - 155m (Proposed)
6. Flamingo Tower Phase 3 - 142m (Estimated) (Propsed)
7. Holland Parkside SW - 135m (Proposed)
8. One Central - 134m (U/C)
9. Brightside Tower 1 - 128m (Proposed)
10. Plaza 104 Tower B - 125m (Proposed)
11. Park Avenue West - 124m
12. Park Boulevard - 124m (U/C)
13. The Hub B3 - 123m (U/C)
14. Passages Tower F - 120m (Proposed)
15. Surrey Central - 119m
16. Park Avenue East - 118m
17. Central City Tower 2 - 117m (Proposed)
18. Holland Parkside NW - 117m (Proposed)
19. Evolve - 115m
20. Park George - 115m (Proposed)
21. University District Phase 2 Tower 2 - 114m (Proposed)
22. Prime at the Plaza - 110m
23. King George & Bolivar - 110m (Proposed)
24. The Hub C1 - 109m (U/C)
25. Flamingo Tower Phase 2 - 109m (Estimated) (Proposed)
26. Infinity Tower - 107m (Estimated)
27. Park Place 1 - 107m (Estimated)
28. Park Place 2 - 107m (Estimated)
29. Avani Centre - 107m (Proposed)
30. Plaza 104 Tower C - 105m (Proposed)
31. Flamingo Tower Phase 1 - 103m (Estimated) (Proposed)
32. Ultra - 102m
33. Passages Tower D - 101m (Proposed)
34. Plaza 104 Tower A - 100m (Proposed)

Official

1. 3 Civic Plaza - 164m
2. Park Avenue West - 124m
3. Surrey Central - 119m
4. Park Avenue East - 118m
5. Evolve - 115m
6. Prime at the Plaza - 110m
7. Infinity Tower - 107m (Estimated)
8. Park Place 1 - 107m (Estimated)
9. Park Place 2 - 107m (Estimated)
10. Ultra - 102m

[Cypherus]

Not sure if it was posted but looking at the council report for this large project (not the Concord one), they are saying tallest tower will be 175 meters. That would I believe be 20 meters taller than 3-Civic and about 10 meters shy of Brentwood One and Two which share 5th spot in the region.

It was no secret that this would be taller than 3 Civic when it was proposed quite some time ago. It is also no secret that it will be quite some time before we see this top out too.

[Nites]

It was no secret that this would be taller than 3 Civic when it was proposed quite some time ago. It is also no secret that it will be quite some time before we see this top out too.

I don't see them starting until University District is complete. So around 2022.

[Greetingsfromcanada]

Apartment building proposed for strawberry hill in the parking/field on 122st next to the cineplex and home depot
https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/plans-for-apartments-on-strawberry-hill-shopping-site-coming-to-surrey-council/#

https://flic.kr/p/2j2cxg7

[Nites]

Apartment building proposed for strawberry hill in the parking/field on 122st next to the cineplex and home depot
https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/plans-for-apartments-on-strawberry-hill-shopping-site-coming-to-surrey-council/#

https://flic.kr/p/2j2cxg7

Not really into the project. I feel commercial mixed use would have been better suited for that area.

[dferch]

That is a good point. If they added ground-level commercial like the bake shop and bubble tea store that are already in that plaza they could amalgamate some of the stores/restaurants in that mall and develop more of it.

[EhJay]

Good to see that it'll be a rental building, if that holds true further down the line.

However it says "The apartment building would be in the northeast corner of the site, south of the library and fronting 122nd Street. The building would use the existing entrances to the shopping centre." This mall has no indoor common space and based on the first picture the cinema is a little to the south west off the development.I don't see how it would use the "existing entrances" to the shopping centre as based on the render and pictures it's a standalone building.

[GMasterAres]

Built, Proposed, U/C (100m and over)

Official

1. 3 Civic Plaza - 164m
2. Park Avenue West - 124m
3. Surrey Central - 119m
4. Park Avenue East - 118m
5. Evolve - 115m
6. Prime at the Plaza - 110m
7. Infinity Tower - 107m (Estimated)
8. Park Place 1 - 107m (Estimated)
9. Park Place 2 - 107m (Estimated)
10. Ultra - 102m

3-Civic = 157.3 m tall, not 164m. Not sure where everyone seems to get 164m from.

[jlove390]

Does anyone know what the piece of land at the corner of Whalley Blvd and Fraser Highway is going to be used for? Right now it's mostly just grass with some sort of energy structure there.

[Cypherus]

3-Civic = 157.3 m tall, not 164m. Not sure where everyone seems to get 164m from.

164m is from the actual planning report and includes the roof of the mechanical penthouse.

https://i.imgur.com/0yAWCEr.jpg

https://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/CR_2013-L002.pdf

[Sheba]

Good to see that it'll be a rental building, if that holds true further down the line.

However it says "The apartment building would be in the northeast corner of the site, south of the library and fronting 122nd Street. The building would use the existing entrances to the shopping centre." This mall has no indoor common space and based on the first picture the cinema is a little to the south west off the development.I don't see how it would use the "existing entrances" to the shopping centre as based on the render and pictures it's a standalone building.

I suspect they mean the driveway would be 'the existing entrance'. There are two of them there, so it makes sense. I also wish it had retail on the ground level.

[Nites]

I made some google earth pins for all the projects around Surrey Central

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wK-TLEqfXy7-Iyq9-0AvsL-7rZBF8hur/view?usp=sharing

[GMasterAres]

164m is from the actual planning report and includes the roof of the mechanical penthouse.

https://i.imgur.com/0yAWCEr.jpg

https://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/CR_2013-L002.pdf

That's interesting, then every other site out there has it wrong. My bad :)

[EhJay]

Surrey City Centre YMCA has been cancelled (https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/escalating-construction-costs-kill-plan-to-build-surrey-city-centre-ymca/) due to growing construction costs. Hopefully the City and/or the YMCA can figure something else out to make this project viable.

[Feathered Friend]

http://i.imgur.com/CGg0L3Il.jpg (https://imgur.com/CGg0L3I)
https://www.fraserand192.com/

http://i.imgur.com/pFrQm7vl.jpg (https://imgur.com/pFrQm7v)
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http://i.imgur.com/0zvIDDcl.jpg (https://imgur.com/0zvIDDc)
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http://i.imgur.com/lhm8Kael.jpg (https://imgur.com/lhm8Kae)
https://www.fraserand192.com/

http://i.imgur.com/LCF0nIol.jpg (https://imgur.com/LCF0nIo)
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http://i.imgur.com/GRx6X1jl.jpg (https://imgur.com/GRx6X1j)
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http://i.imgur.com/jzLVEmZl.jpg (https://imgur.com/jzLVEmZ)
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http://i.imgur.com/HfQ5rQ2l.jpg (https://imgur.com/HfQ5rQ2)
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http://i.imgur.com/4vciv5il.jpg (https://imgur.com/4vciv5i)
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Surrey Moves 650 SkyTrain Adjacent Homes Forward With Metro Vancouver’s First Online Open House

19310 Fraser Highway & 6312 192nd Street
Lately I’ve had plenty of time to think on the past, as my dad’s home was in the Valley, and there’s no way to get there without driving for hours on the road every day. I’ve always hated those commutes, and I’ll never understand why my parents insisted we take the Fraser Highway into “The City” rather than the Trans-Canada. It might be too late for me, but this development will ensure future generations won’t face that burden any longer.

It’s hard to think of a better place for 650 new family-orientated homes, as this 6.8 hectare site near the intersection of the Fraser Highway and 192nd Avenue will sit between two future Skytrain Stations. More than that, it’s surrounded by schools, plenty of green space, and in what would have been important to me as a child, Willow Video. Yet the children of tomorrow will live in a different world, and Surrey is leading our region into that future.

https://cityduo.wordpress.com/2020/05/20/surrey-moves-650-skytrain-adjacent-homes-forward-with-metro-vancouvers-first-online-open-house/

[brophy87]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SurreyBC/comments/hs1s0z/3_tower_development_planned_for_lot_kitty_corner/

I think this is going to be where Conford Pacific moves their crews after the last Park George building is completed.

[rpvan]

Already posted in the city centre thread.

[SpongeG]

I was just in Langley this evening and I could see a huge plume of smoke and heard the firetrucks. Looks pretty bad.

https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/langley-fire-aerial.png

https://globalnews.ca/news/7192016/langley-condo-fire/

[CoryHolmes]

I was just in Langley this evening and I could see a huge plume of smoke and heard the firetrucks. Looks pretty bad.

https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/langley-fire-aerial.png

https://globalnews.ca/news/7192016/langley-condo-fire/

I had just pulled into Damiano's Pizza and there was nothing wrong. When I got my order and came back out, black smoke was billowing into the sky and the flames were visible above the roofline. Fire trucks came outta no where in an instant, and I did my best to stay out of their way.

I'm not sure if anything was wrong when I pulled in, and if not then that fire got going FAST!

[Nites]

Wow the whole building is probably a write off.

[e-clam9]

New condo usually installs enough sprinklers in every unit. Are they not working ? I wonder.

I hope everyone is ok.

[Axe]

New condo usually installs enough sprinklers in every unit. Are they not working ? I wonder.

I hope everyone is ok.



This building was built in 2007. It didn't require sprinklers in the attic or on balconies at that time. After 2012 the building code was changed, so anything after that date is has those spaces protected.

[scryer]

This building was built in 2007. It didn't require sprinklers in the attic or on balconies at that time. After 2012 the building code was changed, so anything after that date is has those spaces protected.

Wouldn't they fail fire Marshall checks or something? Seems like a pretty serious thing to omit and it doesn't sound like a building code that they can be grandfathered into. OTOH I also understand that strata properties are typically not handled well financially.

[Axe]

Wouldn't they fail fire Marshall checks or something? Seems like a pretty serious thing to omit and it doesn't sound like a building code that they can be grandfathered into. OTOH I also understand that strata properties are typically not handled well financially.

Sorry it changed in 2017, not 2012 https://www.buildinglinks.ca/around-town-new-sprinkler-requirements-for-four-storey-wood-frame-buildings/#:~:text=An%20update%20to%20the%20BC,storey%20wood%2Dframe%20residential%20buildings.&text=BC%20will%20be%20updating%20its,storey%20wood%2Dframe%20residential%20buildings.
Building code is always changing, most of the time for the better. You can't make a building upgrade ever time building code changes.

If you live in a 4 story wood frame,pre 2017 wood frame, i would be pushing to add it.

[montyhallgoat]

Wouldn't they fail fire Marshall checks or something? Seems like a pretty serious thing to omit and it doesn't sound like a building code that they can be grandfathered into. OTOH I also understand that strata properties are typically not handled well financially.

Building codes are typically not retroactive because most upgrades are cost-prohibitive and disruptive.
Smoke detector requirement was applied retroactively, but they are cheap to install/maintain.

Adding sprinklers to the attic and balconies would be cost-prohibitive for most strata as you cannot simply branch off of indoor 'wet' sprinklers filled with water.
Attic/balcony sprinkler must be run separately with dry sprinkler system (filled w/ compressed air) as pipes are prone to freezing and rupturing.
It's easy to install dry sprinkler systems during construction, but it'll be very ugly, disruptive and expensive to do it as a retrofit -- They must find a way to pipe each attic and balconies from the mechanical room.

Fire marshals would focus more on realistic solutions like smoke detectors, fire doors, firestops/firewalls and any cluttering in common areas, so the fire doesn't spread to other areas.
Perhaps firewalls weren't installed properly for this Langley apartment or fire started in the attic and nobody noticed until it was too late.

[MovieBuff]

1st/2nd Reading - Bosa Commerical --- King George & Bridgeview

Public Hearing be held on Monday, September 14, 2020, at 7:00 p.m.

http://216.129.209.53/bylawsandcouncillibrary/PLR_7920-0135-00.pdf

[jlove390]

Development and Construction Remain Strong in Surrey

https://www.surrey.ca/city-government/31672.aspx

[Tvisforme]

The US Border Patrol is overseeing a project to build cable fencing along portions of the Canada-US border where US and Canadian roads run parallel with and immediately adjacent to the boundary, such as Zero Avenue (BC) and Boundary Road (WA):

Metal fence erected along U.S.-Canadian backroad border amid COVID ‘loophole’ meet-ups (https://www.abbynews.com/news/metal-fence-erected-along-u-s-canadian-border-in-areas-known-for-cross-border-visiting/)

Fence erected on U.S. side of international border will deter smuggling, says American official (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fence-erected-u-s-canada-border-1.5692903)

Fence built along Canada-U.S. border south of Aldergrove (https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08/19/fence-zero-avenue/)

[officedweller]

Looks like the cable barriers along Highway 1.

Probably being built as a direct result of these people who essentially did a U-turn across the "median"
- which happend to be the border.

U.K. family arrested after driving through B.C. ditch into Washington state
Andrea Ross · CBC News · Posted: Oct 15, 2019 3:35 PM PT | Last Updated: October 16, 2019

A family of seven from the United Kingdom were arrested in Washington state earlier this month after entering the U.S. illegally from B.C. by driving through a ditch.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection said in a statement the vehicle was seen on surveillance video turning west onto Zero Avenue in B.C. at 9 p.m. PT on Oct. 2.

The vehicle then turned south and "slowly and deliberately" drove through a ditch onto Boundary Road in Blaine, Wash., Stephanie Malin, a spokesperson with the U.S. agency, said in an email.
...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/uk-family-in-bc-arrested-entering-us-illegally-1.5321656

[SpongeG]

China is paving its 'belt and road' to British Columbia

Massive warehouse facility under construction in Surrey underscores China's intention to make Canada a "belt and road" country

Graeme Wood / Glacier Syndicated
AUGUST 17, 2020

https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.24187683.1597681915!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/world-commodity-centre.jpeg

A major warehouse facility under construction in Surrey is not just paving the way for more trade between B.C. and China. It could be helping pave Chinese President Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road Initiative to Canada.

The massive $190 million, 470,000-square-foot complex, dubbed the “World Commodity Trade Center,” is a joint venture between a Chinese state-sponsored company and a local development firm. The centre, first conceived in Beijing, has four warehouses and two large exhibition halls — to be lined with Chinese and Canadian flags — strategically located in the Campbell Heights industrial zone between Vancouver International Airport and the United States border.

https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.24187698.1597682833!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/hub-city.png
The Yanjiao International Trade City diagram shows the Beijing-area import-export "mother centre" and the foreign hub cities, including Surrey, B.C. that will service it. Photo by World Commerce Valley, nacvglobal.com

...


https://www.burnabynow.com/china-is-paving-its-belt-and-road-to-british-columbia-1.24187665

[e-clam9]

This North and South America distribution center in Surrey is going to add many jobs locally !! Is this why Surrey is building so many condo and offices right now? The construction is blooming around Surrey center. About 10 condo high-rises are building concurrently.

[Urbanmetro]

The low rise development on King George and 132st is up for sale. It looks like work on the project has completely halted. Maybe this will become more normal as covid progresses. Sad to see ������

[EhJay]

The low rise development on King George and 132st is up for sale. It looks like work on the project has completely halted. Maybe this will become more normal as covid progresses. Sad to see ������

That the one on the corner of the hill?

[Equinox71]

The low rise development on King George and 132st is up for sale. It looks like work on the project has completely halted. Maybe this will become more normal as covid progresses. Sad to see ������

Lavoda Living? ( http://lavodaliving.com )

[Changing City]

Lavoda Living? ( http://lavodaliving.com )

Looks likely. In receivership (https://www.bowragroup.com/coniandevelopmentslavoda) last month.

[brophy87]

Defendants

Conian Developments (La Voda) Inc. and Rana Wasif Khaliq https://www.linkedin.com/in/ranakhaliq/?originalSubdomain=ca

Plaintiff

Rona Inc. dba Dick’s Lumber

Claim

$687,710 for building materials; a builder’s lien.

https://bdb5d7c3-dcdb-4669-9fd1-c08143982d4a.filesusr.com/ugd/6184b9_562ea6eb70264712988feeed72e4c807.pdf?index=true

[Urbanmetro]

I heard that the bus loop and parking lot at surrey city centre is proposed to be subdivided into 3 separate lots with a dedicated area for 102a ave. It looks like things are finally moving ahead for the area. Good news for all the planned development.

Anyone know what is happening in those three lots? And isn't it strange that nothing is mentioned for the rec centre?

[Colin4567]

I heard that the bus loop and parking lot at surrey city centre is proposed to be subdivided into 3 separate lots with a dedicated area for 102a ave. It looks like things are finally moving ahead for the area. Good news for all the planned development.

Anyone know what is happening in those three lots? And isn't it strange that nothing is mentioned for the rec centre?

Check page 5 of this one https://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/CR_2016-R178.pdf

On another map it's shown that the two buildings south of the new 102A connector will be two new SFU Surrey buildings - the lots are apparently owned by SFU so they can transform them in line with their need. Lot C, at the southwest corner of University Drive and 102A, is also owned by SFU and will be another of their buildings. Lot D1 is the new SFU SE3P building and Lot D2 is a future SFU residence (and a graduate residence I believe). The new rec centre, as you can see, will be aligned north-south along Surrey Central Station to make way for the plaza.

That's all that I've heard about this! Each SFU building will be like 5 stories and I've heard there'll be towers above (residential or office I don't know) and the buildings are mentioned here:
https://www.sfu.ca/content/dam/sfu/fs/files/Planning/2020-2025_Draft_Capital_Plan_Sept_5_FINAL_FOR_AEST.pdf

-Health Systems Innovation and Sustainability
-Business and Creative Technologies
-Innovative Teaching and Other Facilities

This is all really dependent on provincial and federal funding; SFU has like a billion dollars of deferred maintenance at the Burnaby Campus alone so that's the priority.

[Blease]

Check page 5 of this one https://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/CR_2016-R178.pdf

On another map it's shown that the two buildings south of the new 102A connector will be two new SFU Surrey buildings - the lots are apparently owned by SFU so they can transform them in line with their need. Lot C, at the southwest corner of University Drive and 102A, is also owned by SFU and will be another of their buildings. Lot D1 is the new SFU SE3P building and Lot D2 is a future SFU residence (and a graduate residence I believe). The new rec centre, as you can see, will be aligned north-south along Surrey Central Station to make way for the plaza.

That's all that I've heard about this! Each SFU building will be like 5 stories and I've heard there'll be towers above (residential or office I don't know) and the buildings are mentioned here

This is interesting but the attached document is over four years old. Perhaps Shift can tell us whether the newer plans for Centre Block (which I believe he's been privy to) jive with the 2016 designs presented here. Enquiring minds would love to know.