Sacramento Proposal/Approval/Construction Thread - III

[Sachornet]

https://www.sacbee.com/news/business/real-estate-news/article219724920.html

It looks like CFY and CADA will have final funding in place after tonight's city council meeting to move forward with their 159 unit apartment project at 1717 S Street. Excited to see this project come to life as it contains affordable housing units and clears up a large vacant lot next to the Ice Blocks and the Safeway.

[SacSFChi]

A crew was performing what appeared to be soil sample collecting / testing on the site of the new courthouse at 6th and H. Hopefully the start of construction.

[Sachornet]

According to the Biz Journal, the mixed used project at 2417 J Street from Julie Young/Urban Elements is supposed to break ground later this month.

It'll be a 4 story building with ground floor retail and 12 units on floors 2-4.

[novatone82]

https://www.sacbee.com/news/business/real-estate-news/article219724920.html

It looks like CFY and CADA will have final funding in place after tonight's city council meeting to move forward with their 159 unit apartment project at 1717 S Street. Excited to see this project come to life as it contains affordable housing units and clears up a large vacant lot next to the Ice Blocks and the Safeway. how many stories will this be?????

[wadams92101]

Duplicate, see below

[snfenoc]

According to the Biz Journal, the mixed used project at 2417 J Street from Julie Young/Urban Elements is supposed to break ground later this month.

It'll be a 4 story building with ground floor retail and 12 units on floors 2-4.


I Was excited by the S St. development, but this news truly made my day. I love the smaller projects. I think they at a lot to the city. I’d love to see about 50 more of these.

[snfenoc]

how many stories will this be?????

It looks to be around 5 floors. Not super tall, but nothing in that neighborhood is. If built, it would fill a huge gap. Very exciting.

[kamehameha]

It's 7 to be exact.

[wadams92101]

I still wish Sacramento could find a way to reclaim the space above I-5 in downtown. I always understood it is complicated, but despite the many flaws in this book, I found it an educational read.

https://urbdezine.com/2018/05/23/build-freeway-cap/
Hi, I'm the author of that book. Thank you for reading it and finding it educational. I put it online in draft form to get feedback regarding the "many flaws" (which I acknowledge ;-)) I know your busy but if you could point out a few of the most egregious flaws, I'd be very grateful. I would credit you in publication (or not, whichever you prefer). Thanks for checking it out!

[urban_encounter]

The holdup is that they did not have a hotel brand chosen. I am not sure if they have one yet, but I think it's really bad planning to demolish a well-loved cafe for some pie in the sky project without having all of your ducks in a row.

I suspect they demolished it thinking they might be able to use the site as surface parking for a few years. I think that’s what we’ll eventually see.

[urbanadvocate]

I suspect they demolished it thinking they might be able to use the site as surface parking for a few years. I think that’s what we’ll eventually see.

My speculation, and this is pure speculation, is there might have been some problems with the building and rather than upgrade per code they went ahead and demolished. I know with the flag Paragary restaurant down a block they ran into a mess with Structural and other upgrades that delayed the project significantly and cost them a lot--so rather than run into more problems just pre-emitively demolish, makes sense :shrug:

[Pistola916]

Hotel to be part of Hilton's Tapestry Collection

https://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article220018350.html

The delay in the project stem from changing the brand from a Hilton Garden Inn to a more upscale boutique brand, which forced some design changes and an increase in construction cost, according to Paragary.

[Majin]

Finally.

There are still quite a few projects that still are in some sort of limbo though. Yamanee? The (no longer) whole foods mixed use project on L Street? What about downtown commons? Kings project on K Street?

[LandofFrost]

Finally.

There are still quite a few projects that still are in some sort of limbo though. Yamanee? The (no longer) whole foods mixed use project on L Street? What about downtown commons? Kings project on K Street?

OMG the L Street project.. I swear they were like "we need to build this huge parking garage first", ... and then nothing. We got totally scammed.

[ozone]

:tup:qFinally.

There are still quite a few projects that still are in some sort of limbo though. Yamanee? The (no longer) whole foods mixed use project on L Street? What about downtown commons? Kings project on K Street?

It seems like you are focused/obsessed with what’s not going on or not moving fast enough. I guess I inderstand the frustration but there’s quite a lot of projects UC throughout the central city- a lot more than what gets reported in this forum. Riding a JumpBike around lately I’ve noticed a lot of little new infill projects that I was unaware of. Btw do you still hate all the trees?

[urban_encounter]

Finally.

There are still quite a few projects that still are in some sort of limbo though. Yamanee? The (no longer) whole foods mixed use project on L Street? What about downtown commons? Kings project on K Street?


William Berg (wburg) and Company are probably hoping to tie that project up in court long enough for the economy to turn south and the project collapse on its own.

Not sure what you mean by Downtown Commons? If it’s the proposal for the Capital Towers property, that’s nothing but pie in the sky for out of town developers speculating on downtown property and trying to inflate the value to their portfolio. That will never get built as proposed.

The Kings? Well they’re the Kings.

But on the bright side as Ozone said, there’s an awful lot already in the pipeline with funding in place (courthouse, state office buildings, state Capitol rehab, Native American museum) to keep things interesting and this sub forum on life support a bit longer. If Cal PERS can get 301CM off the ground (and that’s a big if), I think everybody here will be pleased (and surprised).

[snfenoc]

I am very excited to read about the Fort Sutter Hotel. It is one of the projects on my wish list. Of course, it's always concerning to see a building get demolished and then wait for months without construction. But I am glad that Sacramento is getting a nicer hotel...sort of. (I was hoping that I'd be able to stay there when I visit in the coming years, but it may be a little out my price range.)

Another project on my wish list is the 20th and L mixed use building. I sure hope it gets built. I think that area can support a decent-sized market, so I hope the developer finds a brand.

These are really exciting times. I would like to see more pictures of these smaller developments (and the larger ones). Anyone up there with a camera and a few extra hours?

[j_deguzman10]

Finally.

There are still quite a few projects that still are in some sort of limbo though. Yamanee? The (no longer) whole foods mixed use project on L Street? What about downtown commons? Kings project on K Street?

I highly doubt Yamanee will get build because Burg and the other perservationists/anti-high rise people refuse to even though it will help the housing situation that they always complain about.

I'm sure the L street project will get built eventually but I am actually more curious about the Greyhound Station. The developers promised to release renderings months ago and here we are with no project.

The King's project is kinda a work in progress I mean isn't another developer fixing up a building for apartments there?

[j_deguzman10]

:tup:q

It seems like you are focused/obsessed with what’s not going on or not moving fast enough. I guess I inderstand the frustration but there’s quite a lot of projects UC throughout the central city- a lot more than what gets reported in this forum. Riding a JumpBike around lately I’ve noticed a lot of little new infill projects that I was unaware of. Btw do you still hate all the trees?

J curious Ozone but can you take photos of those projects one day while on your JUMP Bike? I'm sure everyone would love to see the progress in the Urban Core and I know that I will reply and give a Shoutout to you for taking your time to take those photos.

[urbanadvocate]

For some smaller projects I am really liking how the townhouses on 20th (P and Q streets) have really changed a stretch that was pretty bad. The 250 or so new apartments going up right there where the sac bee parking lot used to be are really going to change that feel of that area as well.

Also am liking the 3 story building that went up at 23rd and K--almost done and will be interesting to see what moves into the ground floor retail.

There's already some construction going on along 16th headed north passed I street and a few more proposal that should help brighten an area that has been otherwise filled with economy motels, bail shops etc.

None of these projects are big but little by little are either adding or reshaping their neighborhoods. That to me is exciting.

[Sachornet]

None of these projects are big but little by little are either adding or reshaping their neighborhoods. That to me is exciting.

Urban Elements (Julie Young) is also developing a small project at 2030 28th street. They'll be converting a single story office/retail building into a residential four-plex. The second phase of that project will include building 8 single family homes on an empty lot behind the building.

FYI - The Sacramento Business Journal is offering access to all their subscriber content this week, until the 19th (you just have to logged into a SBJ non subscription account)

[Sachornet]

Anyone up there with a camera and a few extra hours?

The Biz Journal has some updated photos of Q19, Press Building, 1024 R Street, Marshall Hotel, etc.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/10/17/photos-some-notable-local-construction-projects.html

[Pistola916]

This pisses me off. Once the new county courthouse gets built it's going to be difficult to demolish the property and open it up for mixed-use development. That area is pretty sterile and shuts down at 5pm. We need housing there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/10/22/county-courthouse-gunthers-among-buildings-added.html

By Ben van der Meer – Staff Writer, Sacramento Business Journal
"The historic designation could block demolition at the Sacramento County Courthouse after it's replaced with a new building at H and Sixth streets."

[snfenoc]

^^^

I totally understand. What do you do with that building once the courthouse moves? It was designed to be a courthouse. I've been in there as a juror a few times... I don't think it would convert to housing really well. Maybe it could be offices or a small university? Maybe it could be a museum? I don't like parameters, regulations and limits. These feel-good actions only serve to make a small group of people happy, while hamstringing the rest of us.

[CAGeoNerd]

I may have missed this but what is going up in the area southease of the I-5/50 interchange? It looks like a 4-5 story building but it's right next to the ramps there, I noticed it seems to have popped up recently

[snfenoc]

I may have missed this but what is going up in the area southease of the I-5/50 interchange? It looks like a 4-5 story building but it's right next to the ramps there, I noticed it seems to have popped up recently

The Evergreen Companies mixed-use at Stockton Blvd and T Streets:
240,000 square feet total
214 Apartments
21 houses fronting S Street
6000 square feet of retail

https://i.postimg.cc/ZKTggY3R/56247-F61-CD87-41-E8-96-D2-C64-D946-C7-FB5.jpg

[CAGeoNerd]

The Evergreen Companies mixed-use at Stockton Blvd and T Streets:
240,000 square feet total
214 Apartments
21 houses fronting S Street
6000 square feet of retail

https://i.postimg.cc/ZKTggY3R/56247-F61-CD87-41-E8-96-D2-C64-D946-C7-FB5.jpg

That's not the right project, this one is around Broadway and 3rd Street

[Pistola916]

That's not the right project, this one is around Broadway and 3rd Street

SKK building a four story apartment complex
https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/04/10/kolokotronis-planning-apartment-project-on.html

[Sac-O-Lantern]

This pisses me off. Once the new county courthouse gets built it's going to be difficult to demolish the property and open it up for mixed-use development. That area is pretty sterile and shuts down at 5pm. We need housing there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/10/22/county-courthouse-gunthers-among-buildings-added.html

By Ben van der Meer – Staff Writer, Sacramento Business Journal
"The historic designation could block demolition at the Sacramento County Courthouse after it's replaced with a new building at H and Sixth streets."

Me too. I just emailed the staff of my City councilmember, and cc'd the preservation commission chairman, to see if there is a way to appeal the decision to the City Council. I don't see anything about appeals on the Preservation Commission website.

Ugh. I don't have time for this nonsense.

[enigma99a]

This pisses me off. Once the new county courthouse gets built it's going to be difficult to demolish the property and open it up for mixed-use development. That area is pretty sterile and shuts down at 5pm. We need housing there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/10/22/county-courthouse-gunthers-among-buildings-added.html

By Ben van der Meer – Staff Writer, Sacramento Business Journal
"The historic designation could block demolition at the Sacramento County Courthouse after it's replaced with a new building at H and Sixth streets."

I can't wait for my courthouse loft! Where can I sign up?

One huge problem too is this occupies a whole city block, and it's in a prime location. Who wants to save this piece of crap?

[Korey]

In a similar vein, I've been wondering about the old Natural Resources building. Will that one get demoed when the new building is complete? Luckily with that one there's no historical considerations but even if the state were to sell it I doubt it'd be worth it to lease out, it's essentially class c with a bunch of deferred maintenance.

[snfenoc]

SKK building a four story apartment complex
https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/04/10/kolokotronis-planning-apartment-project-on.html

Proposed in March and now 4 floors out of the ground? WOW! SKK moves fast. I am happily surprised.

[DenseCityPlease]

^^^

I totally understand. What do you do with that building once the courthouse moves? It was designed to be a courthouse. I've been in there as a juror a few times... I don't think it would convert to housing really well. Maybe it could be offices or a small university? Maybe it could be a museum? I don't like parameters, regulations and limits. These feel-good actions only serve to make a small group of people happy, while hamstringing the rest of us.

Preserving notable architecture is not about a “feel-good action”, it is an essential means to pass down a shared cultural heritage to posterity. Before you skip over the rest of this post, understand that I’m a pro-housing advocate and lifelong student of urbanism who works for a prominent general contractor. Believe me, when it comes to urban density I’m the biggest cheerleader there is.

But buildings like this are essential time capsules that serve as a window into our past. Mid-century modernism is not just a catch phrase, it stands for something. The design allows us insight into a particular social, cultural, and political period during which art and architecture were influenced.

In this case, it is a combination of technological breakthroughs in material science and war-time scarcity of resources. Stark and repetitive geometry with an emphasis on mass and permanence reflects Cold War era global distrust and paranoia, while the lack of ornamentation shows the creeping influence of socialist thought (or the backlash against capitalist excess, if you prefer) among American intellectuals. You see, a building like this tells us an origin story about ourselves and our current society. What’s more, any great urban environment is a tableau of architectural styles from multiple era, of which modernism is no doubt an essential piece.

You sir, are a philistine, and that is the only source of hamstringing here.

[snfenoc]

It’s definitely a window into the past, one that we must deal with for a long time, now.

Call me all the names you want, and keep obfuscating the point with your million-dollar words, bombast and overvaluation of a so-so building. BUT let there be no doubt - based on your shrill, unnecessary reaction and ridiculous attack on me - it is even more clear that the forced preservation of the courthouse is a feel-good action by you and your commie-unity of preservationists. I mean, come on, you’re obviously emotionally invested. That was quite a bitter takedown. Heck, it was just like our politics these days. Well, go high five your buddies and toot your horn. Go ahead... do it... I dare you. Remember, though, you won this round, but you’re losing the war.

We have some decent developers, here in Sacramento. Hopefully, someone will take this building on and make it something great. At this point, there’s no other choice. Hamstringed.

[Deno]

A museum would be good.

[urban_encounter]

Preserving notable architecture is not about a “feel-good action”, it is an essential means to pass down a shared cultural heritage to posterity.

But buildings like this are essential time capsules that serve as a window into our past. Mid-century modernism is not just a catch phrase, it stands for something. The design allows us insight into a particular social, cultural, and political period during which art and architecture were influenced.

In this case, it is a combination of technological breakthroughs in material science and war-time scarcity of resources. Stark and repetitive geometry with an emphasis on mass and permanence reflects Cold War era global distrust and paranoia, while the lack of ornamentation shows the creeping influence of socialist thought (or the backlash against capitalist excess, if you prefer) among American intellectuals. You see, a building like this tells us an origin story about ourselves and our current society. What’s more, any great urban environment is a tableau of architectural styles from multiple era, of which modernism is no doubt an essential piece.


I have no problem with the property being identified as a building of historical interest, so long as it doesn’t inhibit the ability to do something meaningful with the property. I think whatever re-use is ultimately decided upon will require the entire building to be gutted inside and rebuilt. At that point will it make economic sense to an investor? I suppose if it was clear what uses are being imagined after its tenure as a courthouse is complete, there wouldn’t be as much angst...

The building is not as interesting as an example of mid century modern as is the original SMUD building. The courthouse is definitely brutalist and there’s no shortage of brutalist architecture in Sacramento.

[Urbanquest]

Does anyone know what’s getting build on Broadway and I believe 3rd Street?

[Dieler]

Does anyone know what’s getting build on Broadway and I believe 3rd Street?

On the south side of Broadway, I believe the construction is related to "The Mill" housing project. From what I understand there will be about 1000 dwellings of various types when the development is all built out.

[Urbanquest]

On the south side of Broadway, I believe the construction is related to "The Mill" housing project. From what I understand there will be about 1000 dwellings of various types when the development is all built out.

It’s on the north side of Broadway. It’s looks like a hotel or something else they are building. It has the steel frame.

[j_deguzman10]

It’s on the north side of Broadway. It’s looks like a hotel or something else they are building. It has the steel frame.

We recently talked about this project if you scroll up you’ll find that it’s 301 Broadway. Kolokotronis is building a 4 story apartment project there.

[Urbanquest]

We recently talked about this project if you scroll up you’ll find that it’s 301 Broadway. Kolokotronis is building a 4 story apartment project there.

Thanks, I missed that.

[snfenoc]

It’s the Broadway self storage facility that was proposed a while back. The SKK mixed use was only proposed in March, so it wouldn’t be to the point of vertical construction yet. However, SKK is grading for that project, so it should be going up in the coming months... as long as the market holds.

*Note: Both projects will be on the same parcel: The storage facility being on the northern portion and the mixed use being on the southern portion.

[Sachornet]

According to the Biz Journal, Bay Miry will be leaving D&S and starting up his own firm. Any thoughts on how/if this will impact developments/projects in the central city?

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/10/30/developer-bay-miry-leaving-d-s-to-start-own-firm.html?ana=TRUEANTHEMTWT_SA&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5bd8800404d3017ddc96923d&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[j_deguzman10]

According to the Biz Journal, Bay Miry will be leaving D&S and starting up his own firm. Any thoughts on how/if this will impact developments/projects in the central city?

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/10/30/developer-bay-miry-leaving-d-s-to-start-own-firm.html?ana=TRUEANTHEMTWT_SA&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5bd8800404d3017ddc96923d&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

I think that the separation of Bay from his father is great. I know he and his father were a great team, but from the looks of the article it appears that Miry and his wife Kate Bardis of Bardis Homes will be working together. So in conclusion it appears that now there are going to be 3 big development companies that have Miry ties: D&S, Miry Development, and Bardis. That will mean more projects and more ties to help secure funding and strength of the developments.

[SacTownAndy]

Did you guys see some of the conceptual renderings for the new I Street bridge released yesterday?

http://www.sactownmag.com/Blog/2018/New-architect-announced-for-bridge-on-the-Sacramento-River/

[northbay]

Yes, I like the arch design the best. Really hoping they go with that one!

[Urbanquest]

http://a4.pbase.com/o10/46/1366546/1/168352369.OVI1KTp5.sacto.jpg

[ozone]

Obviously all those designs for the bridge are preliminary and I’m not sure I like any of them. Waiting for the more realistic and refined designs. I’m wondering if the old I Street Bridge is going remain? I hope so.

[northbay]

I think I read somewhere they are going to keep the current bridge for rail only.

[j_deguzman10]

http://a4.pbase.com/o10/46/1366546/1/168352369.OVI1KTp5.sacto.jpg

Thanks for the photo! What project is this?

[ozone]

^^^ I assume that's Sotiris Kolokotronis housing project- 59-unit apartment building at Broadway and 3rd St.

[ozone]

I think I read somewhere they are going to keep the current bridge for rail only.

OK thanks. I know originally they were going to build a new railroad bridge north of the I Street Bridge and turn the existing I street into an auto (upper) and pedestrian (lower) bridge and build a new wider auto bridge across the Sacramento River at Richards Blvd. I guess those plans have been scraped.

[Pistola916]

Yes, I like the arch design the best. Really hoping they go with that one!

All of the design concepts are bad. BUT if they had to pick, the arch is what I envision.

[j_deguzman10]

BREAKING NEWS:

According to CBS 13 the new Sacramento Zoo will go in Natomas in the Sleep Train Arena site!!! The renderings and site map can be found on their Twitter!!! They also have an article on the new zoo found below.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/11/02/sacramento-zoo-move-natomas/

I think that this is a fantastic choice for the new zoo and will invigorate the Natomas area and add something to do other than shop. The video and article states that the zoo size will expand from 14 acres to 180 ACRES, 13 times bigger than the current zoo. The attendance in a year could reach 1 million visitors according to the video.

The Director Jason Jacobs says that the Zoo is halfway between the Airport and Downtown and can help jumpstart the Green Line that has been proposed for decades. The site will also contain a hotel, nature walks, and larger animals like hippos, lions, elephants, etc.

What do you guys think?

[snfenoc]

According to a pretty good source, the project going up on Broadway is NOT the SKK residential building; it’s the self storage facility that was proposed a few years back. The self storage building should be on the northern half of the parcel, and the SKK residential building is planned for the southern half of the same parcel. The SKK project was only proposed in March, so I don’t think it would be that far along at this point. Additionally, I don’t think the apartment building would be steel-framed. (Usually, 4-8 story housing projects are wood framed with a concrete podium.)


Also, according to the source, they are doing site work (grading) for the SSK mixed use. So that’s some good news - they’re at least moving forward with the project.

[Deno]

BREAKING NEWS:

According to CBS 13 the new Sacramento Zoo will go in Natomas in the Sleep Train Arena site!!! The renderings and site map can be found on their Twitter!!! They also have an article on the new zoo found below.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/11/02/sacramento-zoo-move-natomas/

I think that this is a fantastic choice for the new zoo and will invigorate the Natomas area and add something to do other than shop. The video and article states that the zoo size will expand from 14 acres to 180 ACRES, 13 times bigger than the current zoo. The attendance in a year could reach 1 million visitors according to the video.

The Director Jason Jacobs says that the Zoo is halfway between the Airport and Downtown and can help jumpstart the Green Line that has been proposed for decades. The site will also contain a hotel, nature walks, and larger animals like hippos, lions, elephants, etc.

What do you guys think?

Great idea and place for a world class zoo.

[Urbanquest]

According to a pretty good source, the project going up on Broadway is NOT the SKK residential building; it’s the self storage facility that was proposed a few years back. The self storage building should be on the northern half of the parcel, and the SKK residential building is planned for the southern half of the same parcel. The SKK project was only proposed in March, so I don’t think it would be that far along at this point. Additionally, I don’t think the apartment building would be steel-framed. (Usually, 4-8 story housing projects are wood framed with a concrete podium.)


Also, according to the source, they are doing site work (grading) for the SSK mixed use. So that’s some good news - they’re at least moving forward with the project.


I wish they did use steel frames in 4 story apartment buildings.

[SacTownAndy]

I think I read somewhere they are going to keep the current bridge for rail only.

rail will remain on the lower portion of the existing bridge. There's been talk of keeping the upper deck as pedestrian only (the city has referenced something like the highline in NYC). The auto on and off ramps approaching the bridge will be torn down, opening that land for development.

[Sachornet]

Plans have been submitted to the city to convert the Eastern Star Building on 27th and K to a 133 room Hyatt House Hotel.

https://twitter.com/benvsacbiz/status/1060269304665395200

[Sachornet]

Plans have been submitted to the city to convert the Eastern Star Building on 27th and K to a 133 room Hyatt House Hotel.

https://twitter.com/benvsacbiz/status/1060269304665395200

Additional information from the Sacbee on this proposal: https://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article221307845.html


Also, some additional photos of projects around the city:
https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/11/07/project-watch-before-weather-turns-builders-are.html

[kamehameha]

Pedestrian bridge to connect downtown with the waterfront:
http://www.sactownmag.com/Blog/2018/LPA-reimagines-the-waterfront/

[j_deguzman10]

Pedestrian bridge to connect downtown with the waterfront:
http://www.sactownmag.com/Blog/2018/LPA-reimagines-the-waterfront/

I like this idea. I really like the design of the bridge and I think that doing something like the pedestrian bridge in New York would be really awesome for the city! The only worry that I have is that the new I Street Bridge has a design that could also have a garden on the bridge, but regardless I think this project is entirely doable and could be built around the same time as the I Street Bridge.

I have to say I also really like the amphitheater as well. It could be a great gathering place and give a great view of the river. When there are performances it will be a wonderful sight to watch a show for the children and see the river and boats in the background too. I do worry that the city will not like the idea though because I thought you couldn't build anything by the river due to flood concerns?

I hope the renderings of the other proposals will come out soon so we can change and add stuff to Old Sacramento.

[urbanadvocate]

Pedestrian bridge to connect downtown with the waterfront:
http://www.sactownmag.com/Blog/2018/LPA-reimagines-the-waterfront/

I would love to see something like this come to fruition! The tunnel connecting downtown to old town right now is not exactly pleasant.

[ozone]

^^^^ There is zero chance of this happening. And frankly I'm glad. The bridge needs be fairly high to clear the freeway. I guess that's why it's extended into Old Sacramento like the High Line. But it should end at Front Street. The tunnel is crap but it doesn't have to be. There's so much they can do with it. And what about putting up some noise barriers?

[enigma99a]

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/11/14/tower-301-concept-released-for-301-capitol-mall.html?ana=e_sac_bn_breakingnews&u=liKEnL7tFYSlnuUKF%2Bf6mKXyx7Z&t=1542246876&j=85034781

557’

Also in the article “CBRE and CIM representatives said they hope to land an anchor tenant by the time public review is complete, so they can proceed to construction. They didn't provide a timeline for when work would begin or what the estimated project cost would be, though the building would take about 30 months to build, they said.”

[Pistola916]

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/11/14/tower-301-concept-released-for-301-capitol-mall.html?ana=e_sac_bn_breakingnews&u=liKEnL7tFYSlnuUKF%2Bf6mKXyx7Z&t=1542246876&j=85034781

557’

Also in the article “CBRE and CIM representatives said they hope to land an anchor tenant by the time public review is complete, so they can proceed to construction. They didn't provide a timeline for when work would begin or what the estimated project cost would be, though the building would take about 30 months to build, they said.”

Very cool that they will be moving forward. Any idea whether the crown of the building was modified?

[Majin]

More wank material :rolleyes: Call me when there is some actual construction.

[enigma99a]

Very cool that they will be moving forward. Any idea whether the crown of the building was modified?

No idea about the crown. I think it’s a pretty good design, hopefully they will get a primary tenant.

[enigma99a]

I was thinking about vanir tower, and competition it would create. Their site says

A Mixed-Use 250 key Luxury Hotel, 50 Luxury Condominiums, 100,000 sf of Class A commercial office space, and ground floor retail and destination first class restaurants.

Has anyone heard if they have landed a hotel yet? Assuming they could find a hotel, they could probably occupy 20-30K of the 100,000sqft? And perhaps be close to where they need to be.

[j_deguzman10]

I was thinking about vanir tower, and competition it would create. Their site says



Has anyone heard if they have landed a hotel yet? Assuming they could find a hotel, they could probably occupy 20-30K of the 100,000sqft? And perhaps be close to where they need to be.

Where did you find that? Vanir Tower project is dead and the developers are coming up with a new project on the site soon.

[Pistola916]

Where did you find that? Vanir Tower project is dead and the developers are coming up with a new project on the site soon.

If you go to the project's website, you'll find new details on their proposal. No rendering yet
https://www.vanirtower.com/the-vision/

[j_deguzman10]

If you go to the project's website, you'll find new details on their proposal. No rendering yet
https://www.vanirtower.com/the-vision/

Based on the proposal and comparing it to the Sawyer I actually think the Vanir proposal could hit 300 ft. It has the same amount of hotel rooms (250) 5 more condos for sale (50) and about 60,000 sq ft more office space than The Sawyer (100,000 sq ft for Vanir). And plus the Vanir site is not as big as The Sawyer, meaning Vanir will probably build taller than The Sawyer.

[Sachornet]

If you go to the project's website, you'll find new details on their proposal. No rendering yet
https://www.vanirtower.com/the-vision/

It looks like you tipped off Ben van der Meer for this article: https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2018/11/16/website-spells-out-new-vanir-tower-concept.html

[ozone]

^^^ I hope this means a redesign. The current one looks dated and not very contextually appropriate.

[Pistola916]

Website is up for 301 capitol

https://tower301.com

[enigma99a]

^^^ I hope this means a redesign. The current one looks dated and not very contextually appropriate.

Am I the only one that likes the current design?
https://pcfandtypecodewebstuff.s3.amazonaws.com/images/3.ren.PCF.1407_day07b.max-1000x1000.jpg

[novatone82]

Am I the only one that likes the current design?
https://pcfandtypecodewebstuff.s3.amazonaws.com/images/3.ren.PCF.1407_day07b.max-1000x1000.jpg

I like the look of this:tup:

[CAGeoNerd]

The new Vanir Tower looks great! Hoping this gets done.

301 Capitol Mall has a nice site... but the concept itself looks unfinished - the top particularly.

[SacTownAndy]

Caught this on channel 13 regarding the makeover of Capitol Mall. Seems like a missed opportunity to me. It says ground breaking in 2022.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/video/3979091-sacramento-looking-to-give-capitol-mall-a-makeover/

[kamehameha]

All they need to do is to turn on the big water fountain

[urban_encounter]

Am I the only one that likes the current design?
https://pcfandtypecodewebstuff.s3.amazonaws.com/images/3.ren.PCF.1407_day07b.max-1000x1000.jpg


I like the design but wish the crown would cover the entire roof. It’s like the buildings facing Capital Mall turns it’s back on the G1C/DOCO.

But i wont complain if it gets built. If....

[urban_encounter]

All they need to do is to turn on the big water fountain

And water the grass in the median :haha:


It’s a modest design and I understand what they want to accomplish but its just going to be a place for the homeless to pitch tents.

[enigma99a]

Also, this appears to have a lit crown. Perhaps it's just a poor rendering

https://pcfandtypecodewebstuff.s3.amazonaws.com/images/3.ren.PCF.1407_night.max-1000x1000.jpg

[novatone82]

https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/v6oc7d/picture214775590/alternates/FREE_768/Metropolitan%20pill%20box.jpg

I the Metropolitan ever going to get built ?

[j_deguzman10]

https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/v6oc7d/picture214775590/alternates/FREE_768/Metropolitan%20pill%20box.jpg

I the Metropolitan ever going to get built ?

Kolokotronis is the head of the project now because Saca could not secure funding. They are supposed to come out with new project renderings by year’s end hopefully but it is VERY likely that the 40 story project proposed by Saca originally and is the image you provided is dead; Kolokotronis is doing a 250 apartment and 200 key hotel (could be the other way around) project with Saca as the replacement project. Odds are it’ll be around the same height as Mohanna’s proposed 10K project, which is a similar project in the works for next year.

[urban_encounter]

https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/v6oc7d/picture214775590/alternates/FREE_768/Metropolitan%20pill%20box.jpg

I the Metropolitan ever going to get built ?

Not in its present configuration. It will likely need to be more in scale with what they can safely obtain financing for (which is not the current proposal).

[novatone82]

Kolokotronis is the head of the project now because Saca could not secure funding. They are supposed to come out with new project renderings by year’s end hopefully but it is VERY likely that the 40 story project proposed by Saca originally and is the image you provided is dead; Kolokotronis is doing a 250 apartment and 200 key hotel (could be the other way around) project with Saca as the replacement project. Odds are it’ll be around the same height as Mohanna’s proposed 10K project, which is a similar project in the works for next year.

So we are talking like 10-12 stories high?

[CastleScott]

Am I the only one that likes the current design?

I really like it too and man if this one goes plus the 33 floor one near the river plus the others that are already going skyward, Sacramento's going to have an awesome skyline!:yes:

[j_deguzman10]

So we are talking like 10-12 stories high?

Personally I expect 15-20 stories but it all depends on the hotel chosen for the site and the makeup of the apartment sizes (condos, studios, one bedroom, etc).

[j_deguzman10]

I really like it too and man if this one goes plus the 33 floor one near the river plus the others that are already going skyward, Sacramento's going to have an awesome skyline!:yes:

I like the glass movement in Sacramento now that Tower301 has a decent chance of getting built and P & O Streets are going up there will be a lot of great glass buildings in the city.

[CastleScott]

Hey just noticing a tall thin spire like tower to the right Vanir tower-northeast of downtown just west of the Diamond Walnut packing plant. Man it looks gorgeous and would enhance the skyline.

[urban_encounter]

Also, this appears to have a lit crown. Perhaps it's just a poor rendering

https://pcfandtypecodewebstuff.s3.amazonaws.com/images/3.ren.PCF.1407_night.max-1000x1000.jpg


If this is the “new” proposal it really doesn’t look much different from the first except for the tenant mix of hotel, condo and office.


Anybody know how the Sawyer has done with condo sales?

[enigma99a]

If this is the “new” proposal it really doesn’t look much different from the first except for the tenant mix of hotel, condo and office.


Anybody know how the Sawyer has done with condo sales?

This is the old rendering. And my point is I think it looked great. Although some here didn’t agree

[Rick'sSkyline]

I really like it too and man if this one goes plus the 33 floor one near the river plus the others that are already going skyward, Sacramento's going to have an awesome skyline!:yes:

I like the new design as well! Certainly beats the previous design!! I really do hope this tower gets built, would be an amazing addition to Sacramento's skyline. In addition to the new Resources Tower, and the proposed Vanir Tower and new county courthouse, these are going to be great additions to the skyline.

[SacTownAndy]

Hey just noticing a tall thin spire like tower to the right Vanir tower-northeast of downtown just west of the Diamond Walnut packing plant. Man it looks gorgeous and would enhance the skyline.

If I'm not mistaken, that's the already existing KCRA broadcasting antenna. That's right where the station is located.

[CastleScott]

^ Oh ok thanks SacTownAndy.;)

[Bubb90]

Today I saw gates around capitol towers on the 5th street side. Are they finally going to start phase 1

[j_deguzman10]

Today I saw gates around capitol towers on the 5th street side. Are they finally going to start phase 1

Sounds intriguing but it seems unusual that there was no media coverage on this; surely one of the local media would have reported this and the eviction of the residents in the old buildings.

[Bubb90]

Sounds intriguing but it seems unusual that there was no media coverage on this; surely one of the local media would have reported this and the eviction of the residents in the old buildings.

That's what I would have thought. Now thinking back when I walk through that part of the villas it did seem like they were empty. Nothing on the patios at all.
Also I remember reading that permits were pulled for that site sometime in the early summer.
I could be totally wrong but I got excited seeing the fences. I will check about the building permits tomorrow

[j_deguzman10]

That's what I would have thought. Now thinking back when I walk through that part of the villas it did seem like they were empty. Nothing on the patios at all.
Also I remember reading that permits were pulled for that site sometime in the early summer.
I could be totally wrong but I got excited seeing the fences. I will check about the building permits tomorrow

Permits were pulled? I thought they said that they are starting construction now, without permits they can't build yeah?