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Fury
Apr 28, 2008, 2:54 AM
Hi all.

Flickr - Thanks to Slugbelch - Coolios - 08 04 24

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:cheers:

aluminum
Apr 28, 2008, 4:13 AM
Now THATS^ a skyscraper ! Exactly how tall is it now ?

ElChancho
Apr 28, 2008, 4:28 AM
I find it funny how the other kingdoms in the region are getting jealous of dubai's stunning growth and specifically of the burj dubai. Now Kuwait is building the mubarrak tower, saudi arabai with the jeddah mile high spaceship...

Fury
Apr 28, 2008, 5:05 AM
Now THATS^ a skyscraper ! Exactly how tall is it now ?

Hi Al.

636.9 m.

:cheers:

Complex01
Apr 28, 2008, 6:47 PM
Just amazing to look at...

:wizard:

photoLith
Apr 28, 2008, 7:22 PM
550 some odd feet left, wow!

Rise To The Top
Apr 28, 2008, 7:46 PM
I love how cladding was years behind the core, and now its almost caught up.

Trogdor01
Apr 29, 2008, 12:49 AM
It strikes me that in a lot of these photos, the air is quite hazy. Almost seems out of place, desert haze frequently obscuring the beautiful skylines.

Anyone else (that's seen the hundreds of photos posted so far) notice this?

LoverOfDubai
Apr 29, 2008, 1:51 AM
It strikes me that in a lot of these photos, the air is quite hazy. Almost seems out of place, desert haze frequently obscuring the beautiful skylines.

Anyone else (that's seen the hundreds of photos posted so far) notice this?

Yes, it happens quite frequently. But it usually happens when the winds are comming from the desert. What you see is a mix of sand (from the desert), dirt (tossed up by construction), pollution, and sometimes fog.

Someone, please correct me if I am wrong since I do not even live in Dubai.

myshtern
Apr 29, 2008, 6:03 AM
So what the is the point of the steel top? Will it be for observation???

kfunck1
Apr 29, 2008, 7:01 AM
After looking at hundreds (thousands?) of photos of the Burj and Dubai in general, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the area around the Burj Dubai. I was wondering how far the tower is from the main highway artery (forgot the name) in terms of city blocks, and about how far it is from the highway to the beachfront. If anyone has any idea, I'd appreciate some info. Thanks

GO_UAE
Apr 29, 2008, 7:41 AM
@LoverOfDubai , your right :)

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@kfunck1

Distance from Burj Dubai to Shiekh zayed Highway = 1.02 Km

Distance from Burj Dubai to Beachfront road = 3.13 Km

kfunck1
Apr 29, 2008, 8:06 AM
@LoverOfDubai , your right :)

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@kfunck1

Distance from Burj Dubai to Shiekh zayed Highway = 1.02 Km

Distance from Burj Dubai to Beachfront road = 3.13 Km

Ah, thank you very much.

shaberko
Apr 29, 2008, 4:31 PM
After looking at hundreds (thousands?) of photos of the Burj and Dubai in general, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the area around the Burj Dubai. I was wondering how far the tower is from the main highway artery (forgot the name) in terms of city blocks, and about how far it is from the highway to the beachfront. If anyone has any idea, I'd appreciate some info. Thanks

I was just in Dubai this summer for one night and without giving you any exact numbers Burj Dubai is just a short distance from the old city centre and the beach hotels. If I remember correctly, everything was within a 20-30 minute drive. However, that was at 3:00-5:00 AM with absolutely no traffic. Our cab driver/tour guide told us that the traffic gets really bad there, so it could end up taking much longer normally to reach the tower.

It's a beautiful city, btw -- very clean and well-organized. I was extremely impressed.

The only negative was the unbearable heat, even at night.

JDRCRASH
Apr 29, 2008, 5:44 PM
Now THATS^ a skyscraper ! Exactly how tall is it now ?

Tall enough........:jester: J/K!!!!! Its around 2,100 ft.

Plompy Lfeata
Apr 29, 2008, 8:38 PM
isnt the end hieght of this building kept secret?
if so i find it hard to believe it will reach 2650'
that would look to tall and be too skinny. it would bad, i dont see it going over 2400, of course i could be wrong, but its just getting too skinny, ya know?

arcite
Apr 29, 2008, 9:01 PM
After looking at hundreds (thousands?) of photos of the Burj and Dubai in general, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the area around the Burj Dubai. I was wondering how far the tower is from the main highway artery (forgot the name) in terms of city blocks, and about how far it is from the highway to the beachfront. If anyone has any idea, I'd appreciate some info. Thanks

The big strip is Sheikh Zayd Road, where all those tall buildings are clustered. I think the Burj is only a few blocks away from it. Actually, the area will probably be pretty compact once it 'fills in' more. Traffic is BAD and the air is 'fumy'. I'll be sure to visit again when that big mall next to the Burj opens, just to experience the spectacle, not that I'm a fan of huge malls.

kfunck1
Apr 29, 2008, 10:21 PM
The big strip is Sheikh Zayd Road, where all those tall buildings are clustered. I think the Burj is only a few blocks away from it. Actually, the area will probably be pretty compact once it 'fills in' more. Traffic is BAD and the air is 'fumy'. I'll be sure to visit again when that big mall next to the Burj opens, just to experience the spectacle, not that I'm a fan of huge malls.

Ah that's it yes. I love looking down on the area around the Burj as it appears to be literally blocks and blocks of construction, either buildings or infrastructure. It really will be neat to look at the area from the Burj Dubai vantage point in 3-5 years when they get it all done.

Aleks
Apr 29, 2008, 10:27 PM
The Burj Dubai Mall looks very different color-wise than what the renderings show:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/342/08042410siteaeriallm9.jpg

kraggman
Apr 30, 2008, 1:19 AM
isnt the end hieght of this building kept secret?
if so i find it hard to believe it will reach 2650'
that would look to tall and be too skinny. it would bad, i dont see it going over 2400, of course i could be wrong, but its just getting too skinny, ya know?

See this post for height info: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=3453119&postcount=5939

bnk
Apr 30, 2008, 3:02 AM
Are yall sure they is no elevator? Kinda looks like there is room for one in the top right, but that might just be the stairs or utility corridor.


Here an awesome diagram from Culwulla over at SCC shows some of the inside bones. No elevator.

yes. heres a closeup.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2118/2452777851_9438d43ba2_b.jpg

kenratboy
Apr 30, 2008, 3:47 AM
So in terms of elevator service height, CS and BD are about 70 meters apart?

Lookin' great!

zagreb
Apr 30, 2008, 8:34 AM
im sure they will build some kind of small service elevator, cant see the ruler walking up 40 plus floors to celebrate the compltion of the building, even the CEO of emaar is royalty, these are very smart people Im talking about.

Wouldnt it be great if the top part was part of the public observation space, whats to say it wont, Im sure the ruler would love the idea if some one presented it to him, not to mention it would hold the highest observation deck in the world for a very long time.

Bergenser
Apr 30, 2008, 11:34 AM
It's increadible to think it's over twise as tall as a supertall now.
Keep the pictures coming.

jbr12
Apr 30, 2008, 2:32 PM
So am I reading this diagram wrong? Are there really 43 levels of unoccupied space in this building???

MapleLeaf
Apr 30, 2008, 5:15 PM
I think so.

BTW: Nice diagram. :tup:

gramsjdg
Apr 30, 2008, 5:51 PM
Notice that the highest occupied floor in BD is actually at level 155 Mezz., or about 583 meters, while the highest occupied floor in CS is 568 meters: so about 15 meters or roughly 3 floors difference (although technically, if you were a maintenance employee at BD, you could walk/climb up to 768 meters, or the "roof" of "floor" 206)

Fury
Apr 30, 2008, 6:19 PM
:previous: - The highest officially named and "occupied" level is 160 mezz. 3.

The ladders and platforms continue to the top of the structure where they can exit a hatch to an outdoor platform with a handrail to access the lights on the top - the floor of that platform is 818.0 m.

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Keep in mind that although there are stairs, ladders, and landings right to the top, everything above 160 mezz. 3 are not official levels and will not be included in the floorcount nor the lower 4 levels below grade.

There is 162 levels as follows:
160 levels
Add 6 - Ground, 155 mezz, 158 mezz, 160 mezz, 160 mezz 2, and 160 mezz 3
Subtract 4 - Skipped levels 41, 74, 110, and 137

:cheers:

10101000
Apr 30, 2008, 6:31 PM
It is getting tall!

MapleLeaf
Apr 30, 2008, 9:04 PM
The ladders and platforms continue to the top of the structure where they can exit a hatch to an outdoor platform with a handrail to access the lights on the top - the floor of that platform is 818.0 m.

Just imagine being up there. I even canĀ“t imagine it! :koko:

This is so crazy, so unbelievible. It just like standing at the top of a spire. Imagine looking down! :slob:

Phil McAvity
May 1, 2008, 9:31 AM
It is getting tall!

I think it's actually been pretty tall for awhile. Now it's becoming amazingly tall. :tup:

2-TOWERS
May 1, 2008, 1:37 PM
but it really can ..could be 206 floors because there are floor plates all the way to the top... remember they count the 16 floors in the empire up to the 102nd..so in my books it is a 206 story building....holy shit!!!:banana:

Fury
May 1, 2008, 10:59 PM
:previous: - While I agree with you that this structure is equivalent to over 200 floors it only has 162 occupied levels.

Read an interview of Adrian Smith ( the architect ) here (http://www.xpress4me.com/news/uae/dubai/20007194.html).

Also this structure is much more than a building because it is far taller than any guyed mast. This is why I have always referred to it as a structure.

I truly believe what my sig. says. This thing is an architectural wonder and will open the floodgates to numerous taller structures.

:cheers:

kenratboy
May 2, 2008, 12:49 AM
but it really can ..could be 206 floors because there are floor plates all the way to the top... remember they count the 16 floors in the empire up to the 102nd..so in my books it is a 206 story building....holy shit!!!:banana:

Sorry, no elevator, no floor (in my opinion).

And I don't want to see everyone having a 'spire-off' to get 200, 300 floors.

I need to be able to walk into the lobby, and take elevators to the top.

JDRCRASH
May 2, 2008, 5:29 PM
I actually remember an initial proposal to install the first ever Triple-Decker Elevators; but from what I understand its now just double-decked.

JACKinBeantown
May 2, 2008, 5:51 PM
How do they change the light bulb?

Fury
May 4, 2008, 10:09 PM
Hi all.

boy for everyone - thanks to fellow SSC forumer Darth Shemp - 08 04 09

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Blog - 08 04 27

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:cheers:

[SP]Neo
May 5, 2008, 3:53 PM
i'm not sure if anybody noticed it before but that's actually a very tall building :haha: :haha: :haha: :cheers:

L.u.v.
May 5, 2008, 7:10 PM
Neo;3531218']i'm not sure if anybody noticed it before but that's actually a very tall building :haha: :haha: :haha: :cheers:
Aha, so that's why it looked a bit out of proportion! :)

On a side note, I had this terrible dream last night involving the Burj Dubai. In my dream I turned on the t.v. and the news channel was showing video footage of the Burj Dubai tipping over due to strong winds. I'm not kidding, when I woke up I immediately turned on my laptop and check these forums to make sure it wasn't really so! :(

JACKinBeantown
May 5, 2008, 8:48 PM
When I was in college I worked for UPS one summer loading trucks. I frequently dreamed of walls of boxes.

Fury, I can't see an image in your post.

aluminum
May 5, 2008, 9:33 PM
On a side note, In my dream I turned on the t.v. and the news channel was showing video footage of the Burj Dubai tipping over due to strong winds.

That's a very, very scary thought if you ask me.

10023
May 5, 2008, 10:53 PM
So is the haze in these photos smog or a sandstorm?

And have there been any BASE jumpers on this thing yet?

Kamatzu
May 6, 2008, 2:14 AM
So is the haze in these photos smog or a sandstorm?

And have there been any BASE jumpers on this thing yet?

I can't imagine the smog being significant enough to block out as much as it does, it has to be the desert.

One was going to base jump from it, apparently, but they stopped him before he made it to the top. He didn't have written permission. =P

JDRCRASH
May 6, 2008, 5:27 AM
I can't believe it...........................less than a floor to go until we have a new "World's Tallest Building Ever Made".

Burj Dubai is at 643.3

Reminiscence
May 6, 2008, 5:54 AM
"Any higher, Mr. Bond, and my ears will pop"

--Intro to Moonraker

Imre
May 6, 2008, 11:07 AM
6/May/2008

Burj Dubai from my car and at the Arabian Travel Market

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JDRCRASH
May 6, 2008, 5:09 PM
http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2008/05May/Dubai-Skyscraper-050201.jpg
From Imre

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2008/05May/Dubai-Skyscraper-050202.jpg
From Imre

Dac150
May 6, 2008, 6:27 PM
I remember when I saw this building for the first time as just a picture in a newly printed skyscraper book (this is going back a few years). When I first saw it I thought it was beautiful, but since then the novelty has worn off a bit. Regardless, here we are all these years later, and despite architectual taste, it cannot go without say that this building is a marvel.

JDRCRASH
May 6, 2008, 6:32 PM
I remember when I saw this building for the first time as just a picture in a newly printed skyscraper book (this is going back a few years). When I first saw it I thought it was beautiful, but since then the novelty has worn off a bit. Regardless, here we are all these years later, and despite architectual taste, it cannot go without say that this building is a marvel.

May I ask what book it was, and what year its Copyright is?

Dac150
May 6, 2008, 6:54 PM
May I ask what book it was, and what year its Copyright is?

The title of the book is: SKYscrapers. The copyright date is 2004.

It's a real beautiful book.:yes:

JDRCRASH
May 6, 2008, 6:59 PM
The title of the book is: SKYscrapers. The copyright date is 2004.

It's a real beautiful book.:yes:

Hmm, I'll search for it on Amazon!:D

BTW, was it called "SKYscrapers:????", or just "SKYscrapers"?

And who is the author?

Fury
May 8, 2008, 4:10 AM
Hi all.

Flickr - thibautdelestre- 08 04 23

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2130/08042315py7.jpg

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http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7518/08042313su1.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/954/0804235signsafetyzo5.jpg

So we must have passed 40,000,000 manhours on this thing by now - wow and over 7000 workers - wow again.

Also probably within a week for the first column of the first section of tier 19 and the tallest manmade structure in history at 649.7 m. from grade (to the top of the column). The first section of tier 19 will have a terrace facing North (tier 18 roof or setback ).

It will be interesting to see the next 3 setbacks as the following 3 face the same direction - namely 0, 120, and 240 degrees. Up untill now the following round of 3 have been 60 degrees different from the previous 3 since tier 12.

So cool to be able to "watch" this structure being built. Thanks to all the contributors.

:cheers:

Imre
May 8, 2008, 2:00 PM
8/May/2008

Burj Dubai

thanks the helicopter for the Nakheel

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more Burj Dubai and Dubai air pics (350) coming soon on the flickr :)

Surrealplaces
May 8, 2008, 3:10 PM
So is the haze in these photos smog or a sandstorm?

And have there been any BASE jumpers on this thing yet?

There was a guy that tried to base jump it, but was stopped by security. Interestingly enough, they said he only lacked a proper permit, which makes me think that someone may be able to base jump from it some day.


BTW ^ Amazing photos!

Imre
May 8, 2008, 5:02 PM
Burj Dubai

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8050/imresolt322vn3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

more air pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/imresolt/sets/72157604952773061/

Biff
May 8, 2008, 5:15 PM
Hi all.

Flickr - thibautdelestre- 08 04 23


http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7518/08042313su1.jpg




By looking at this picture and some of the others previously posted is seems that there are cornices atop every setback. I have never noticed this on any renderings or models. Very nice touch (or they are some kind of safety barrier - which i doubt).

Rise To The Top
May 8, 2008, 11:32 PM
By looking at this picture and some of the others previously posted is seems that there are cornices atop every setback. I have never noticed this on any renderings or models. Very nice touch (or they are some kind of safety barrier - which i doubt).

The lower setbacks will be open to the public or in use by the hotel I would assume. Most likely there as a barrier.

Rise To The Top
May 8, 2008, 11:34 PM
Also, will be the World's tallest ever tomorow going by the unfinished posts rising to make the next floor.

Fury
May 9, 2008, 1:10 AM
Hi all.

Here is another in my plan comparison showing tier 18 top and the levels (I have one for the top of each tier as the structure reached that point - also the 4 that compare directly to the plans up to the top of the concrete) using one of Imre's great shots - cropped, rotated, and blown up.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7162/tier18topim3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7162/tier18topim3.6d513a5f74.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=140&i=tier18topim3.jpg)

:cheers:

Aleks
May 9, 2008, 1:26 AM
For some reason I would've liked to see the glass turn into a different shade of blue as the building went up. Like at the base it had a deep, intense, sea blue and it turned lighter as it went up. At the top it would've been a light, sky blue. It would've given the effect that the building touches, or turns into the sky and I would've liked to see that.

peanut gallery
May 9, 2008, 2:50 AM
Those are amazing photos, Imre, just jaw-dropping. Thanks for sharing them with us!

Rilestone75
May 9, 2008, 7:48 PM
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This looks like its built out of Legos!

JDRCRASH
May 9, 2008, 7:54 PM
^

I know, they're making a 17 ft mini when Legoland Dubailand come out!:D

Surrealplaces
May 9, 2008, 10:04 PM
Great pictures!

NoSmallPlanner
May 10, 2008, 6:11 PM
Hi all.

Here is another in my plan comparison showing tier 18 top and the levels (I have one for the top of each tier as the structure reached that point - also the 4 that compare directly to the plans up to the top of the concrete) using one of Imre's great shots - cropped, rotated, and blown up.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7162/tier18topim3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7162/tier18topim3.6d513a5f74.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=140&i=tier18topim3.jpg)

:cheers:

:tup:

Fantastic work Fury -- thanks for taking the time to do this!

Very illustrative picture that helps bring a greater understanding to the concepts involved in the upper reaches of this staggering structure.

NSP

zagreb
May 10, 2008, 8:15 PM
just the steel section is taller than many buildings in some countrys

[SP]Neo
May 10, 2008, 11:39 PM
for example in germany :wah: :wah: :tantrum: :tantrum: ^^

neverdone
May 11, 2008, 4:51 AM
I apologize if this has been covered before, but why the switch to steel, is it because all the steel floors are unoccupied and building sway is not an issue that high?

2-TOWERS
May 11, 2008, 4:16 PM
the glass panels look great on the mechanical...trransfer floors..

smile1
May 12, 2008, 7:17 AM
I apologize if this has been covered before, but why the switch to steel, is it because all the steel floors are unoccupied and building sway is not an issue that high?

Because the building becomes too heavy. Its weight is aprox 500.000 tons.

Tom In Chicago
May 12, 2008, 7:01 PM
^That's completely INCORRECT. . . the reason they switched to steel was due to the fact that they can't physically pump concrete any higher than they have. . .

http://www.putzmeister.de/cps/rde/xchg/SID-3C6E00FC-9F12F700/pm_online/hs.xsl/5933_ENU_HTML.htm

FLBlake
May 12, 2008, 7:29 PM
Fresh article from ENR
http://enr.ecnext.com/coms2/article_febuar080507-1

Video
http://www.construction.com/video/?fr_story=a0dbf24c7d07a5488db60a4cbf0588bca4d28547&rf=bm


On a side note:

Emaar to Build S.E. Asia's Tallest Skyscraper in Jakarta
May 5, 2008


JAKARTA, May 6 Asia Pulse - Dubai-based real estate giant Emaar Properties plans to build a landmark tower in Jakarta, to be the tallest skyscraper in Southeast Asia, a presidential envoy said.

Special envoy for Middle East Alwi Shihab said on Monday Emaar Chairman Mohamed Ali Alabbar had proposed the project to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono during an informal meeting Saturday.

At the moment, we are still looking for the right location in Jakarta for the project, Alwi told the newspaper The Jakarta Post.

Emaar, the largest land and real estate developer in the Gulf is famed for its on going construction in Dubai of the 718-meter tall Burj Dubai, which would be the tallest skyscraper in the world.

In March, Emaar signed a joint venture agreement with state-owned Bali Tourism Development Corp. to build an integrated tourism project in southern Lombok, Bali's neighboring island.

(ANTARA)

source:http://enr.construction.com/news/othersources/article.asp?SMDOCID=asiapulse_2008_05_06_ix_1072-0270-&SMContentSet=0

[SP]Neo
May 13, 2008, 12:29 AM
^That's completely INCORRECT. . . the reason they switched to steel was due to the fact that they can't physically pump concrete any higher than they have. . .

http://www.putzmeister.de/cps/rde/xchg/SID-3C6E00FC-9F12F700/pm_online/hs.xsl/5933_ENU_HTML.htm

thats the main reason but the weigth is also very important..a few years ago it was impossible to build such a high building with concrete because the building would be too heavy... so maybe even if they could pump the concrete higher than ~600m they wouldn't because it would become too heavy.

skellergroup
May 13, 2008, 2:05 AM
Some of these pictures make Dubai look like a science fiction set. Amazing.

Tom In Chicago
May 13, 2008, 3:45 AM
Neo;3547970']thats the main reason but the weigth is also very important..a few years ago it was impossible to build such a high building with concrete because the building would be too heavy... so maybe even if they could pump the concrete higher than ~600m they wouldn't because it would become too heavy.

No it's not the /main/ reason. . . it's the ONLY reason. . .

The nominal amount of space could easily be accomodated with a concrete frame if it was technically possible to pump concrete that high. . .

I suspect you overheard a rumor. . . if not please feel free to post your source. . .

zagreb
May 13, 2008, 6:35 AM
just by interest, lets say when they build a mile high tower. They can already pump concrete 600 meters upwards, do you think its possible to put another pump at the 600 meter level, and pump another 600 meters higher to reach 1200 meters, and so on, and so on.

Maybe the company that makes the pump can make a new model that is capable of pumping higher.

neverdone
May 13, 2008, 2:15 PM
^That's completely INCORRECT. . . the reason they switched to steel was due to the fact that they can't physically pump concrete any higher than they have. . .

http://www.putzmeister.de/cps/rde/xchg/SID-3C6E00FC-9F12F700/pm_online/hs.xsl/5933_ENU_HTML.htm

Thanks for clearing that up. Are there any stair wells that run the height or nearly the height of the building? I can imagine the stack effect pressures would be immense.

[SP]Neo
May 13, 2008, 8:20 PM
No it's not the /main/ reason. . . it's the ONLY reason. . .

The nominal amount of space could easily be accomodated with a concrete frame if it was technically possible to pump concrete that high. . .

I suspect you overheard a rumor. . . if not please feel free to post your source. . .

not a rumor.. i watched a documentary about burj al arag and the burj dubai i think they said something like this...but if it's false thank you you for clearing this up.

Aleks
May 14, 2008, 2:24 AM
Holy shit. Looks at this shadow, that thing must be a whole mile long!:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Burj_dubai_3.11.08.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Dubai)

John F
May 14, 2008, 7:18 PM
O,k, last year this question wouldn't have made sense as the building didn't have many glass panels up. I realize some interior work has to be ongoing now and it begs a question: Are environmental services (AC, water) operational on any floors int eh building (and I apologize if this is a repeat question).

I ask because... well, if it gets hot outside in Dubai, I couldn't imagine how hot and stuffy it would be working on the interior of the building at current.

neverdone
May 15, 2008, 1:56 AM
Is all concrete slab work done now? I don't see any more "lifts", if that is the correct term.

zagreb
May 15, 2008, 4:21 AM
months ago


Is all concrete slab work done now? I don't see any more "lifts", if that is the correct term.

JDRCRASH
May 15, 2008, 5:29 AM
Holy shit. Looks at this shadow, that thing must be a whole mile long!:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Burj_dubai_3.11.08.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Dubai)

Nah, only a half-mile. Still scary, though!:D

jason111
May 15, 2008, 4:53 PM
wow everytime i check back in im still impressed

Brian.
May 15, 2008, 5:33 PM
^That's completely INCORRECT. . . the reason they switched to steel was due to the fact that they can't physically pump concrete any higher than they have. . .

http://www.putzmeister.de/cps/rde/xchg/SID-3C6E00FC-9F12F700/pm_online/hs.xsl/5933_ENU_HTML.htm

Please forgive me for being dense or blind, but where in your link does it actually say that it is not possible to pump any higher then 611m? That link talks much about how high they went and how they did it but I am missing the part that says, "we cannot go any higher".

Thanks for your help.

FRED
May 15, 2008, 7:35 PM
awesome pic !!!!

[SP]Neo
May 15, 2008, 9:54 PM
Nah, only a half-mile. Still scary, though!:D

the shadow can easily be much longer than a mile... because it's the shadow and not the building:P :P

aluminum
May 15, 2008, 11:38 PM
Nah, only a half-mile. Still scary, though!:D

It could very easily be a whole mile if the sun's elevation is 22 degrees ( usually around late afternoon ). Imagine the shadow at THAT time !!!

Cypherus
May 16, 2008, 6:32 AM
What an amazing building. What's also amazing is the untouched land in the background.

williamchung taiwan
May 16, 2008, 12:03 PM
Absolutely amazing!!

Tom In Chicago
May 16, 2008, 3:52 PM
Please forgive me for being dense or blind, but where in your link does it actually say that it is not possible to pump any higher then 611m? That link talks much about how high they went and how they did it but I am missing the part that says, "we cannot go any higher".

Thanks for your help.

Well it's probably /technically/ possible to pump concrete higher (although noone actually has), but at some point it becomes significantly more difficult and economically unfeasable. . . the buildings "weight" had nothing to do with why they stopped using concrete on the upper-most floors of the building. . .


. . .

Brian.
May 16, 2008, 4:15 PM
Well it's probably /technically/ possible to pump concrete higher (although noone actually has), but at some point it becomes significantly more difficult and economically unfeasable. . . the buildings "weight" had nothing to do with why they stopped using concrete on the upper-most floors of the building. . .


. . .

Well...then let my put on my engineering hat for a sec. I believe the reason they switched to steel is because of the wind load. Concrete can do a good job resisting wind load but it takes a certain amount of mass to do so. With the profile of the Burj at that height I can say with confidence that concrete would have a tough time resisting the wind without some type of failure. It's a much better idea to use steel because it has some ability to flex and absorb that wind load in a much smaller section.

You actually provided zero evidence that concrete pumping is the reason that they switched to steel. I have no evidence either but only a suggestion.

theWatusi
May 16, 2008, 6:12 PM
lookin good

Kamatzu
May 16, 2008, 9:52 PM
lookin good
I agree! What a beautiful building.

Can you imagine living in that? What a lucky bunch of people that will get to do that.

If you somehow managed to live and work there, you would basically never have to leave the building! Quite the place.

peanut gallery
May 16, 2008, 10:20 PM
I just checked this out on Google maps and if the road that the tip of the shadow is touching is Oud Metha Rd., then this shadow is about 2 miles long. Can anyone confirm that?

Mocholate
May 17, 2008, 1:08 AM
The shadow is so long i saw it in Australia :hyper:

Imre
May 17, 2008, 4:33 AM
16/May/2008

Burj Dubai mega update

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2329/imresolt110ak0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8024/imresolt113zy8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6020/imresolt067uw2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4677/imresolt068sb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3443/imresolt061li5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

115 new pics from the Burj Dubai area , from Satwa and from Nad Al Sheeba( Burj Dubai, The Address, The Lofts, Boulevard Plaza, Dubai MAll Hotell, Double Decker Road, Burj Dubai Metro Station etc..)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/imresolt/sets/72157605095570168/

any reposts welcome:)

zagreb
May 17, 2008, 6:38 AM
very, very good photos Imre. You really go out of your way to bring us these great pics, driving to places all around the Burj to get that perfect angle, and view. Only your experience, and passion for this project could give us this level of perfection, and clearity whats go on. Thanks again for your troubles.

Puzzlecraft
May 17, 2008, 1:51 PM
Still taking two weeks per floor. Someone posted that they were trying to do a floor in 4 days?

[SP]Neo
May 18, 2008, 2:02 AM
I just checked this out on Google maps and if the road that the tip of the shadow is touching is Oud Metha Rd., then this shadow is about 2 miles long. Can anyone confirm that?

sounds reasonable