DUBAI | Burj Khalifah (Burj Dubai) | 828 M / 2,716.5 FT - Pinnacle | 162 FLOORS [Archive] - Page 3

FlyersFan118

Jun 20, 2005, 6:01 PM

at that height, another 70 feet is still 70 feet.

And I really don't know what to think about the BD...nice height, but I really don't like how the building looks. Some of the earlier renderings, although a little bit shorter, looked better, IMO.

I never liked it from the start though.

Congrats nonetheless - tallest building in the world!

-GR2NY-

Jun 20, 2005, 6:02 PM

realistically.... why bother for 6 more floors?

speaking of floors, whats the official floor count presently?

nezzybaby

Jun 21, 2005, 11:01 AM

^ its undisclosed along with the height

-GR2NY-

Jun 21, 2005, 4:06 PM

Insanity

http://www.epochtimes.com/i6/4121005271528.jpg

STR

Jun 21, 2005, 4:20 PM

^That image was stretched. The original unaltered version looks better.

STR

Jun 21, 2005, 4:24 PM

realistically.... why bother for 6 more floors?

speaking of floors, whats the official floor count presently?

160 (unofficial, of course) but it looks like they'll skip numbers like Trump World Tower and Cheung Kong so the the elevators will have 190 on them. You can find sources throughout the thread below.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?threadid=69473

RLS_rls

Jun 22, 2005, 1:32 AM

^What do you mean skip numbers?

High Pointer

Jun 22, 2005, 4:40 AM

^What do you mean skip numbers?

He means that, like buildings in the US that skip a 13th floor or those in China that skip 4 (i.e. 4, 34, 47, 104 etc), BD may skip unlucky/unwanted floor numbers in an effort to make the building seem taller. For instance, they may just leave out floor numbers 10-39 to make a 160-story building "190 stories" (extreme example)

RLS_rls

Jun 23, 2005, 8:17 PM

^wow that's just pathetic.

nezzybaby

Jun 24, 2005, 10:21 AM

^and it wont happen here... even if you remove 13 113 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139, and maybe floor 101, youve still only removed 13 floors, (cant be a lucky way to do things anyway) personally i believe this tower will have 189 real floors, maybe with a few mechanical ones on top.

nezzybaby

Jun 24, 2005, 10:24 AM

^and slipping all the 4's would remove

4, 14.. 184 19 floors
40.. 49 9 floors (excluding 44)
140-149 9 floors (excluding 144)

so thats another 37 floors on top of the 13 removed from the number 13, i dont think they would neglect to number 50 of their floors, it removes any grip on logic

STR

Jun 24, 2005, 2:06 PM

It doesn't defy logic, they want their building to seem even taller than it is. And they're doing that by skipping a huge chuck of floors, apparently floors 150-180. I say apparently bcause this is based on eye-witness reports of the elevator mock-up that caused all this 190 floor crap in the first place.

-GR2NY-

Jun 24, 2005, 3:41 PM

Maybe some floors will be in there twice. Can u imagine the confusion!! :D LOL

Lecom

Jun 24, 2005, 5:12 PM

STR

Jun 25, 2005, 2:49 AM

I was screwing around with GIMP this morning and I came up with this. The tower is shown at 728m tall.
http://img211.echo.cx/img211/7558/burjchicago0vl.jpg

JACKinBeantown

Jun 25, 2005, 5:58 PM

Cool image. Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is GIMP?

JACKinBeantown

Jun 25, 2005, 6:00 PM

Nevermind...
http://www.gimp.org/
Seems to be similar to Photoshop.

STR

Jun 25, 2005, 6:57 PM

^Yes, but free instead of $800.

JACKinBeantown

Jun 25, 2005, 8:30 PM

This building is so Emerald City.

Fabb

Jun 25, 2005, 8:49 PM

The Sears tower is still not ridiculous next to Burj Dubai.

Beyond 1000

Jun 26, 2005, 12:57 AM

Firstly, I feel that the floor ratio on BD will be smaller than that of Sears. Secondly, I agree with nezzbaby in that the 190 or so floor count will be quite real. One may number a floor count something like this......41,42,43,43a,45,46..etc. In this senario you skip "unlucky" 44 but you still get the correct floor count. So now floor 45 really is 45 and 190 is exactly that.

vincent

Jun 26, 2005, 7:20 AM

^Yes, but free instead of $800.
i thought ANY softwares nowadays are free, no?;)

nezzybaby

Jun 26, 2005, 3:03 PM

they will not skip floors, if they go to 189, as the mock elevator contained buttons from around 150-189, and there wasnt anything missing in that lot. A quicker way to end this argument would be to ask a dubai forummer to go up a 50 or so story tower in dubai, maybe chelsea tower, and have a look at the floor numbers. Unless numbers are skipped all across dubai, its very unlikely they will here.

High Pointer

Jun 27, 2005, 7:17 AM

I was screwing around with GIMP this morning and I came up with this. The tower is shown at 728m tall.
http://img211.echo.cx/img211/7558/burjchicago0vl.jpg

That reminds me of the USR tower in I, Robot, but taller. :D

nezzybaby

Jun 27, 2005, 8:07 AM

^ i swear its all over the skyline in the latest star wars

sahara727

Jun 27, 2005, 3:14 PM

i was thinking the same thing about i, robot when i saw that picture

High Pointer

Jun 27, 2005, 11:54 PM

^ i swear its all over the skyline in the latest star wars

I know, I've seen it too.

If, heaven forbid, Lucas ever tries to keep milking the cash cow and create Episodes VII-IX, he'd damn better put the forumers here in charge of skyscraper design and logistics :yes:

nezzybaby

Jun 28, 2005, 11:48 AM

^lol lets hope that never happens, the films keep getting worse i couldnt handle more crap

nezzybaby

Jun 28, 2005, 11:49 AM

^lol lets hope that never happens, the films keep getting worse i couldnt handle more crap

Beyond 1000

Jun 29, 2005, 1:37 AM

Although this has nothing to do with the Burj Dubai, I think Revenge of the Sith was the best of the six movies. The original ones were great only because many of us were kids and loved them as kids.

High Pointer,

If Lucas put the forumers in charge of skyscraper design in Star Wars, the city will look like a composite of a lot of the buildings we know of. In otherwords we would be looking at our own imagination.

Take for example SWFC, WTC, Sears, Jin Mao etc. They would look absolutely BORING in Courosant.

In Star Wars, the buildings are ultra modern/organic in design. In our real life world, they are boxes and various morphes of boxes.

Don't compare us to the Star Wars imagination when it comes to skyscrapers. Courosant blows us away.

Burj Dubai and more so the visionary Bionic Tower are the closest buildings to Lucas' city.

This however is reality that we are living in and as such I want the best of what modern technology and architectural innovation can bring in the boxes we are building.

JACKinBeantown

Jun 29, 2005, 2:28 AM

First Star Wars was the best. It introduced the characters and the story. It was a complete movie in and of itself and din't need any prequels or sequels to make sense. It was a great piece of cinema, and was unlike anything before it.

-GR2NY-

Jun 29, 2005, 2:13 PM

That reminds me of the USR tower in I, Robot, but taller. :D

The USR tower was much daller than Bruj Dubai I'm pretty sure. No ??

BrandonJXN

Jun 30, 2005, 12:39 AM

I loved the USR Tower..anyone have pictures?

Chicago should build it.

And the Burj, if green, would look jus like Emerald City.

BrandonJXN

Jun 30, 2005, 12:40 AM

I loved the USR Tower..anyone have pictures?

Chicago should build it.

And the Burj, if green, would look jus like Emerald City.

Dracmus

Jun 30, 2005, 2:00 AM

i can't wait til it is done. i hope they build it 900 meters high. it is about time we had a tower that streches to something like that height.

oh btw...i think a few of the towers on courosant are several kilometers high

nezzybaby

Jun 30, 2005, 9:41 AM

i know its off topic, but seriously revenge of the sith was the shittest film i have ever seen, i preferred attack of the clones. The acting was shit the light saber battles were over too quickly and the creation of darth vader seemed to be stuck on at the end as an afterthought. piss me off greatly yoda did by this way talking. Really was not impressed.

but the skylines were beautiful. Havent seen i robot, can someone post a pic?

lakegz

Jul 10, 2005, 2:02 AM

??????????updates??

mikey johnson

Jul 10, 2005, 8:03 PM

Has it started to rise above the lobby yet?

smussuw

Jul 10, 2005, 9:22 PM

Check SSC

Beyond 1000

Jul 10, 2005, 10:04 PM

Isn't it 4 or 5 floors above ground already?

smussuw

Jul 11, 2005, 12:54 PM

http://tinypic.com/711dw7.jpg

http://tinypic.com/711gdc.jpg

http://tinypic.com/711guf.jpg

http://tinypic.com/711idz.jpg

http://tinypic.com/711ixi.jpg

http://tinypic.com/711jcm.jpg

http://tinypic.com/711jr8.jpg

http://tinypic.com/711m41.jpg

http://tinypic.com/711mh4.jpg

smussuw

Jul 11, 2005, 12:54 PM

edited

nezzybaby

Jul 11, 2005, 3:36 PM

its huge im well impressed, the last picture gives a great impression of the size with the guy at the base. Also its been recently mentioned that this is just the core and construction of the rest of the tower begins soon. Very exciting times for dubai.

JACKinBeantown

Jul 11, 2005, 4:11 PM

That answers my question. I thought it looked a little too thin to be the whole base of the building. It makes me feel better about the structural integrity to hear that what I see in these photos is just the core. This thing is going to be huge.

Lecom

Jul 11, 2005, 4:32 PM

From those pictures it looks like a factory under construction. Nice pics btw.

buildup

Jul 11, 2005, 6:43 PM

It's good to see it is finally coming out of the ground. So there will be constant change for the next 2 years as it grows.

deejer8

Jul 12, 2005, 12:27 AM

That *IS* just the core, right?:eek:

Lecom

Jul 12, 2005, 2:57 AM

That *IS* just the core, right?
second that question

lakegz

Jul 12, 2005, 3:59 AM

hijue puta que tan grande

nezzybaby

Jul 12, 2005, 4:57 PM

this IS just the core, was reported in a UAE paper recently, apparently the rest of the building will start rising soon. Look at the walls, of course its a core, they are sheer walls without windows

shortydee999

Jul 12, 2005, 8:56 PM

OOHH, i thought that was the whole base of the building. Thats just the core that hold the building from the inside. OMG, thats going to be huge!!:eek: When i first saw this thread i thought, not another rumor of a supertall building again, but this one is actually happening. I'm really shock and happy that they are building this supertall stucture. I wonder when the show MegaStructures will do documentary on it??

deejer8

Jul 13, 2005, 12:01 AM

Look at the walls, of course its a core, they are sheer walls without windows

:uhh: in my defense, I couldn't quite make mush out of the picture through all the wood and scaffolding...

rock on, BD, keep climbing!:laugh:

Dracmus

Jul 14, 2005, 1:42 AM

holy cow that is going to be a huge building. even if i can't get into it...i wanna go see it...

Dracmus

Jul 14, 2005, 1:42 AM

holy cow that is going to be a huge building. even if i can't get into it...i wanna go see it...

-GR2NY-

Jul 14, 2005, 3:06 PM

This shits gonna be crazy!!!!

shes comin up fast!@

-GR2NY-

Jul 18, 2005, 2:32 PM

bump dat holmes! ;) lol

-GR2NY-

Jul 18, 2005, 2:33 PM

double post

Razqal

Jul 18, 2005, 6:54 PM

is the govt. constructing all these office and residential buildings, or are they built by private companies?

SteelCity15

Jul 18, 2005, 10:22 PM

Wow, this is incredible. and TALL!

malec

Jul 18, 2005, 10:58 PM

is the govt. constructing all these office and residential buildings, or are they built by private companies?
Well, the company Emaar is building the Burj-Dubai and they're partly owned by the government. Usually one of the bigger companies will create a big project such as the marina and then sell plots to smaller devellopers who then build the towers.

To answer your question I'd say a bit of both.:)

malec

Jul 19, 2005, 11:49 PM

Here's a render I think you've all seen before but not in this massive size:D
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/dubaiflo/DOWNTOWN.jpg

STR

Jul 20, 2005, 4:36 AM

Here a render you've seen before at a massive scale, but this time it's frickin' HUGE! Click to see. 5669x3219

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8682/downtownc8tr.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=downtownc8tr.jpg)

malec

Jul 20, 2005, 10:15 AM

Now that is massive:eek:
Most detailed render I've ever seen of this.

STR

Jul 20, 2005, 4:53 PM

Found by Victhor at SSC. The plan diagram for Burj Dubai, which will have...drumroll...167 floors.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/victhor/planssection.jpg

shortydee999

Jul 20, 2005, 5:00 PM

What are those two long vertical openings on the left side?? Elevator shafts??

STR

Jul 20, 2005, 5:49 PM

^Yeah, if you look at te floor plans, you can see the shafts in question at the botton of the core.

deejer8

Jul 21, 2005, 12:00 AM

observation deck on 142-143??:laugh:

Wait, why can't it be higher? ;)

malec

Jul 21, 2005, 1:52 AM

That plan is actually pretty old as they moved the observation deck to floor 125. This is in all the more recent articles. I know this isn't the best but it's probably because of lack of space in the upper floors.

John Hinds

Jul 21, 2005, 4:08 AM

Found by Victhor at SSC. The plan diagram for Burj Dubai, which will have...drumroll...167 floors.

??? The highest nummer says level 161 not 167.
Here is the same image with a red dot every 10 floors.
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3005/9burj_floor_count.jpg

There are 160 floors above ground and 2 below ground.

The numbers on the plans are all over the place.

STR

Jul 21, 2005, 4:31 AM

So...I made a typo.

R@ptor

Jul 21, 2005, 1:41 PM

Those plans are from last November.

STR

Jul 21, 2005, 1:53 PM

^Yes, but it is good for at least one thing:

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/5669/colums2jn.jpg

Fabb

Jul 21, 2005, 1:59 PM

Those plans are from last November.

What do you mean ?
How often do they change ?

John Hinds

Jul 21, 2005, 2:04 PM

If the plans are from last november they are going to be the same as the current plans.

-GR2NY-

Jul 21, 2005, 3:53 PM

^ ^ Why would that be?

STR

Jul 21, 2005, 4:07 PM

^Well, since it's already under construction, there's been some sort of final plan for a while. Sure, it can be tweaked (like moving the observation deck around) but it is essentially the same plan, i.e. it's going to have the same # of floors.

The real problem is Emaar has been blowing smoke up everyone's asses for so long people aren't recognizing reality when they see it.

John Hinds

Jul 21, 2005, 6:09 PM

^ ^ Why would that be?

Because they wouldn't have have enough time to redesign the building between last november and when construction started.

We've known the plan has been 160 floors for well over a year now.
Shame we had to have all the silly comments about it being 200 floors and 800-1000m from some forumers during the last year.

malec

Jul 21, 2005, 7:22 PM

Well, I'm still saying the most probable floor-count will be 160 but I won't be surprised if it ends up with more. I'm still not completely sure of 160 though because we know how they don't want to tell us anything. If you count the floors on the latest renders you'll see it's around 180.

A Dubai example is of a tower that was supposed to have 45 floors but then everyone was surprised to see more during construction. It ended up with 50 or 51, can't remember. It's called "Le reve".

nezzybaby

Jul 22, 2005, 11:01 AM

^the only thing that will surprise me on completion is if this tower DOES have 160 floors.

At the end of the day the plans probably are set in stone, but what theyve revealed to us is probably a load of crap, do you really think that image posted a few days ago came from the planning office, do you really think its a blueprint being used on the construction sight. Or is it more likely that they release images periodically to get people guessing. If people think this diagram indicates beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is a 160 storey building, then what does the mock elevator with the 189 button indicate, or the rendering with 192 floors, or the one with around 170???????

lets be fair they're not telling us not because they dont know but because they want us to speculate. NOTHING OFFICIAL HAS EVER BEEN RELEASED HEIGHT OR FLOOR COUNT!

all we know is that itll be big.... be happy with that much for now, then in three years time we can end the silly arguments.

dazzler

Jul 22, 2005, 4:57 PM

shortydee999

Jul 22, 2005, 5:23 PM

Are there anymore construction photos??

Fabb

Jul 22, 2005, 5:42 PM

Burj Dubai HAVE MINIUM OF 189 FLOORS and that's a fact

189 is an awful lot. It's hard to believe.
I think that it's likely to be 189 advertised floors (like the pretended 90 floors of the TWT).

John Hinds

Jul 22, 2005, 6:15 PM

Burj Dubai HAVE MINIUM OF 189 FLOORS and that's a fact!

http://www.ameinfo.com/56953.html

those plans must be old (that picture), and no one can tell when those were made, that's just a JPG image and if you check out timestamps on JPG image that doesn't tell you anything about when actual plans were made...

Well done for finding the worst source ever.

I hardly think a one paragraph article with no souces for the info in it is enough to say that the building will definitely have 189 floors.......

-GR2NY-

Jul 22, 2005, 9:07 PM

I heard from my uncle who is a construction worker on it, that it will be at least 214 floors.

[ducks and hides from flying objects]

R@ptor

Jul 22, 2005, 10:02 PM

I heard from my uncle who is a construction worker on it, that it will be at least 214 floors.

Won't happen. Although I'm one of the people who believe it will probably be higher than 160 floors...214 floors is unrealistic. Everything above 150 floors is an enormous challenge with today's technology (cranes, pumping the concrete to such heights,...). 214 floors equals about 950m. They'll probably reach 750m or even 800m, but surely not 950m.

malec

Jul 23, 2005, 1:21 AM

Beyond 1000

Jul 23, 2005, 5:00 AM

I still feel that this thing will hit over 189 floors, possibly 200. Don't waste your time with Jonny5, if he disagrees he'll call you silly and all sorts of names. This building will exceed 800m.

Yes over 150 floors brings enormous challenges but challenges can be met. No one has tried to go near 150 floors let alone over. Challenges can be met when the desire is there to meet or exceed them.

John Hinds

Jul 23, 2005, 9:15 AM

What the hell, why do you attack everyone who doesn't agree with you.
I'm not the one thats goes around calling people names.

It will meet or exceed 200 floors. It will also exceed 800m.

What rubbish.
200 floors would push the roof height past 880m, and there have been no renderings at anywhere near that height.

160 floors 705m roof 800m+ spire is the final plan and has been for almost a year now...

Your attitude and the way you respond reflects upon your RUBBISH personality Jonny boy. And I do mean BOY.

They are already advertising what looks like at least 189 floors on THEIR website. I didn't make that website Jonny you idiot.

Aren't you the clown that insists BD will still be 580m?

Learn how to respond and show the rest of us some civility you creep.

Your the one who should stop resorting to calling people names and find a single official source that has said anything about 200 floors.

I still don't understand why you think a picture of the numbers 187, 188 and 189 must mean 200 floors.
It it was 200 floors why would they only show numbers up to 189?

BTW: I think the 189 floors image on the Burj Dubai website has been removed now. I couldn't find it anywhere.

nezzybaby

Jul 25, 2005, 8:44 AM

okay source for 189 floors: http://www.ameinfo.com/56953.html

niwell

Jul 25, 2005, 12:31 PM

I've mentioned this in another BD thread and I believe someone mentioned it earlier in this thread and was promptly ignored: It can still say 189 on the elevator and have fewer floors!!!!!! It is not unheard of for buildings to skip large numbers of floors to exagerate the height, can anyone say TWT??? It wouldn't suprise me if there were gap of 10 unacounted for stories in between the hotel, office and condo sections.

nezzybaby

Jul 25, 2005, 4:57 PM

^shut up with this crap please. have you EVER been in a building which has 29 numbers missing???????? occasionally you lose floor 13, and room 101 thats it!!!!!

also no towers in dubai have this strange affliction, so lets not start that again, it was extensively discussed over at SSC, and im sure it was your fault then as well.

STR

Jul 25, 2005, 5:04 PM

^I've heard of two buildings with almost that many numbers missing: Trump World Tower and Time Warner Center.

So, perhaps you should do a little more research before telling people to "shut up."

John Hinds

Jul 25, 2005, 7:10 PM

okay source for 189 floors: http://www.ameinfo.com/56953.html

Thats the same link that was given before.

And it's not got any quotes or links to sources in the article.

Lecom

Jul 25, 2005, 9:27 PM

^shut up with this crap please. have you EVER been in a building which has 29 numbers missing????????
Oh yes I have. Have you ever been in any skyscraper?

Actually, never mind. Your sig gave me some good advice.

malec

Jul 25, 2005, 9:58 PM

I said this on SSC already but I'll say again. Emaar have done a pretty good job at confusing everyone and I don't think any of the figures given are the definite answer. Even the renders all have different floor counts. I counted one only having 150 floors while some reach almost reach 200 floors (I counted 196 in one and 192 in another, give or take a few). They want us to be confused as it keeps interest in the tower.

malec

Jul 25, 2005, 9:59 PM

double post, sorry

rican_papi

Jul 26, 2005, 1:13 AM

I wish they build that here..LOL..

Beyond 1000

Jul 26, 2005, 2:45 AM

nezzbaby made a point in his post in that no towers in dubai have that affliction.

If it is true, then the idea of TWT tactics makes no sense. Why don't we wait and see how they number the floors before any outrageous claims of 30 missing floors are made.

Malec did make a good point in that Emaar is doing a good job in confusing the public how tall it will really be and how many floors it will have.

There is no official who ever claimed that BD will have 200 floors but there is a chance that it will. The floor ratio just may be smaller say...10.5 ft to 11 ft. per floor.

If it doesn't have 200 floors, who cares really. I don't and I won't loose sleep over it or money.

The point is that no one in this forum really knows how tall it will be which is why I'm waiting for the official answer...that is...when it is topped out.

I say that with the spire, BD will exceed 800m. Unless that 189 advert is totally refuted by them, there is no reason to believe that BD cannot be that tall.

Wait and see. We may have history in the making.

niwell

Jul 26, 2005, 2:53 AM

nezzybaby

Jul 26, 2005, 4:16 PM

^please explain whic numbers you expect to be missing to achieve the 160 floors with 189 being the top one.... and listen to everything i say.

NO TOWER IN DUBAI HAS MISSING FLOORS... so that should be taken into account.

How many numbers can people actually consider unlucky, it just becomes a total farce if you get rid of almost a quarter of all numbers.

I did the maths eithe earlier in this thread, or somewhere over at SSC, and there is no way you can remove unlucky numbers and end up with 189 from 160 floors. you could wither have like 170 or 220, but thats only if you get really carried away with what constitutes an unlucky number.

YES i knew i should have removed that signature as soon as i made my first post on this website, its hard to get points across wih you lot, think i might retire back to the gentle conversation over at SSC. you just cant talk about dubai on this forum.