Royal Connaught Hotel | ? | 36 fl, 33 fl, 24 fl & 13 fl | U/C

[ScreamingViking]

Agreed! I am not one of the poeple complaining about the past phases, I don’t even live there! I was only mentioning it in the context as to what I have been hearing are some of the reasons why moderne didn’t launch. I mean, its a different tower, but its the same company. It’s probably difficult to get construction loans financing on a building that large if you couldn’t pay off the first round of loans and are in active litigation. I aint no banker, but those are usually problems………

So keeping it to the discussion of Moderne, I would say I have heard some opinions that it’s dead on arrival. Personally, I hope the rumors aren’t true, I would love to see it launch as I think the development is beautiful.


Spallacci and Valery aren't small firms though. They may not be associated with big condo tower projects, but they've been around a long time and I wouldn't think financing would be a big enough problem to kill this.


PS: I wasn't implying that you were trying to start a tiff... it's just that in the past, particularly in this thread and more than once, some posts have led to one when "divergent opinions" have followed (e.g., there have been alleged tenants clashing with people allegedly 'in the know'; the mods have been pretty quick to deal with it though). Anyway, looks like you've recently signed up on this site, so welcome! :cheers:

[TheRitsman]

To be fair, it's most been one of the family members coming here starting fights with forumers on the quality of their work.

[matt602]

To be fair, it's most been one of the family members coming here starting fights with forumers on the quality of their work.

I thought they were all just "friends of the family" though... :shrug:

[SteelTown]

https://mailchi.mp/9a4e934858ad/coming-this-fall?e=e86aff9440

https://mcusercontent.com/6ae457b9cf1c3e2f6d1660962/_compresseds/b66f6a47-9156-3664-9fd5-fa94bd0b5a9b.jpg

[Hawrylyshyn]

The top few floors are awkward as hell..

[ScreamingViking]

I love how the fuglies in the background have been removed (Landmark Place; the other one probably wasn't big enough when this image was created)

[TheHonestMaple]

Can't wait to see this one get started. I think if they use quality materials we could have something special here. The number of people living within close proximity to Gore Park is going to totally change the vibe of the area.

[ShavedParmesanCheese]

It looks like that podium is going to extend the full frontage of Catherine St. 👀

[Wigs]

I love how the fuglies in the background have been removed (Landmark Place; the other one probably wasn't big enough when this image was created)

:haha: it's there
Check the video
https://www.modernecondos.com/the-moderne-is-on-the-horizon/

[ohhimark]

The top few floors are awkward as hell..

100% agree

[urban_planner]

Honestly, other than height here this building is ugly. its looks like a taller version on the Olympia with an awful top.

[TheHonestMaple]

Surprised by the negativity here. It's a nice looking build which will add much needed residential density to this part of the city, and if the faux heritage podium is done right (like a core urban or something) it's perfect for Gore Park. Don't expect this one to meet much resistance by the city. Hope we see groundbreaking in the coming months. :tup:

[lachlanholmes]

Surprised by the negativity here. It's a nice looking build which will add much needed residential density to this part of the city, and if the faux heritage podium is done right (like a core urban or something) it's perfect for Gore Park. Don't expect this one to meet much resistance by the city. Hope we see groundbreaking in the coming months. :tup:

Yes, sure, beauty is in the eye of the beholder - but are we looking at the same building? What exactly is nice looking about this?

I will concede that the faux-heritage base may end up looking nice if done right (though the video on the site shows a big, ugly, out-of-place window wall section in the middle of the Catharine frontage), but the tower is an architectural joke from bottom to top (which happens to be an exceptionally weak point of the design). I can't see anything redeeming about the design of it, apart from maybe the size of the floorplate, and I'd want to see some actual floorplans before saying anything definitive on that...

Now with all of that being said, I do want to see this get moving sooner rather than later, if nothing else for the aforementioned increase in density and people downtown. City can't really do much to resist this application given they have zoning and are now dealing with the more technical site plan stage of approvals, so hopefully they hit whatever sales percentage they need to get to work.

[urban_planner]

Surprised by the negativity here. It's a nice looking build which will add much needed residential density to this part of the city, and if the faux heritage podium is done right (like a core urban or something) it's perfect for Gore Park. Don't expect this one to meet much resistance by the city. Hope we see groundbreaking in the coming months. :tup:

I'm usually pretty optimistic about development designs but I find this very underwhelming. Yes the density is great and maybe at ground level but its ends there.

[Wigs]

It provides more density to downtown, but is boring and generic AF :shrug:

so boring looking that when watching their promo video I was like "well Landmark Place ain't so bad after all" :haha:

[TheHonestMaple]

I think the sunset lighting they used in the latest render makes the tower look a little bit bland.

I'll post this picture again to show the real colours of the glass facade.

https://i.ibb.co/WykbyxR/Ey3rq0n-WUAgl-Vge.jpg

[urban_planner]

I think the sunset lighting they used in the latest render makes the tower look a little bit bland.

I'll post this picture again to show the real colours of the glass facade.

https://i.ibb.co/WykbyxR/Ey3rq0n-WUAgl-Vge.jpg

My biggest issue is the top.

[Hawrylyshyn]

This^ The tower itself isn't too bad but the top is awful

[StEC]

First I just want to say the top of the tower definitely looks unresolved and sloppy! But I'm good with the rest of the tower and especially the podium. Out of all the proposals so far in Hamilton this is probably the 3rd best in my books just behind TV City & the white curvy building on Rebecca Street across from the new John & Rebecca Park.

That says two things.... there are far worse proposals and lots of them in our city and that architecture in general is extremely subpar/mediocre, so far. This is not a great tower (by world class city standards) but it's one of the best of the current bunch here in Hamilton. I'm sure in due time once the big National & International firms set their eyes on Hamilton and it will happen... everything currently under construction and about to be constructed will all be eclipsed in both design & height!

Having said that I want to draw attention to something truly awesome though with the current podium design. It looks like we will be getting our very own version of the photographers dream "The Esplanade" pedestrian sidewalk tunnel in Toronto!!! Our version will be on Catharine St South. :worship:

https://i.ibb.co/v3ZwZNm/Capture.png (https://ibb.co/bszWz4L)
https://i.ibb.co/MBXdHSX/IMG-20210325-073318-462.jpg (https://ibb.co/phmqTwm)

[TheHonestMaple]

Just FYI that curvy white one across from the park has been completely redesigned. It's now a typical blue glass with a brown podium. Check out the thread for a more up to date render.

[ScreamingViking]

The video actually made Landmark Place look ok. :haha:

I love what they're doing with the podium in relation to the original hotel building, and that walkway is a nice touch. But how nice would this tower be if they would have taken design cues from the Connaught's 1930 addition? It would probably be expensive to do depending on materials, and historical replication doesn't often turn out well... but as the video notes, I think it would really "Raise your expectations" and stand out in the skyline. I don't even mean a replica tower, just something with "stone" vertical elements and less glass, use similar arches at the top. Maybe it wouldn't work so well with the balconies, but the King St. face has none aside from the top floors.

Oh well, it's fun to play with other people's money. :cool:

[StEC]

Personally I feel either of these designs The Uptown Residences Toronto (maybe not necessarily the all white colour though) or especially One Park Tower Mississauga would have been spectacular here! Either style would fit so much better with the Royal Connaught and the faux historical podium and would play nicely with the Pigott in the skyline!

https://i.ibb.co/CmvMKv9/Night-in-Mississauga-16275312609.jpg (https://ibb.co/Xjp3xp5)

https://i.ibb.co/jws2mMr/The-Uptown.jpg (https://ibb.co/kDvfj8S)

[TheHonestMaple]

Oh lord, I always thought those two buildings were hideous. The current proposal is so much nicer than both of those.

[StEC]

Just FYI that curvy white one across from the park has been completely redesigned. It's now a typical blue glass with a brown podium. Check out the thread for a more up to date render.

Ughh you're right... the most recent design is so disappointing! :(

[Wigs]

StEC, I've always been partial to One St. Thomas in Toronto

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57d2d5291b631bdf3f0f25be/1502295226745-7FCPGPN0X3EQOW78BPD7/1-St-Thomas-One-St-Thomas-Residences.jpg?format=2500w

https://yorkvillecondoblog.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1-Saint-Thomas-St-Condos-Yorkville-Toronto-Victoria-Boscariol-Chestnut-Park-Real-Estate.jpg
Yokville Condo Blog
https://yorkvillecondoblog.co/2013/05/21/yorkville-condo-building-profile-one-st-thomas/

[StEC]

StEC, I've always been partial to One St. Thomas in Toronto

Yes that is a better example than The Uptown I posted. I mean this style of tower would be a great fit for this spot.

I know we're getting off topic here sorry.... do we have anyone here with good photoshop skills? I would love to see what One Park Tower would like in this spot with the faux heritage podium from the Moderne render.

[TheHonestMaple]

I noticed some Instagram advertisements today for The Moderne stating that construction would be starting this fall?

[mikevbar1]

I noticed some Instagram advertisements today for The Moderne stating that construction would be starting this fall?

God, I hope so. I would love some screenshots just so that we can FINALLY get over this hoop with proof. Not that I don't believe you, but its a bit too good to be true to actually have shovels in the ground here :uhh:.

[Phil McAvity]

3 weeks from now will be the 14th year of this thread

This thing clearly connaught get built

[TheHonestMaple]

Instagram advertisement from today. I'm not sure if this means sales start this fall, or construction. Something at least.

https://i.imgur.com/uXi9cm4.png

[hamiltonresident]

The Esplanade concept is beautiful! I walk down there a lot and this will be an excellent addition to the area.



First I just want to say the top of the tower definitely looks unresolved and sloppy! But I'm good with the rest of the tower and especially the podium. Out of all the proposals so far in Hamilton this is probably the 3rd best in my books just behind TV City & the white curvy building on Rebecca Street across from the new John & Rebecca Park.

That says two things.... there are far worse proposals and lots of them in our city and that architecture in general is extremely subpar/mediocre, so far. This is not a great tower (by world class city standards) but it's one of the best of the current bunch here in Hamilton. I'm sure in due time once the big National & International firms set their eyes on Hamilton and it will happen... everything currently under construction and about to be constructed will all be eclipsed in both design & height!

Having said that I want to draw attention to something truly awesome though with the current podium design. It looks like we will be getting our very own version of the photographers dream "The Esplanade" pedestrian sidewalk tunnel in Toronto!!! Our version will be on Catharine St South. :worship:

https://i.ibb.co/v3ZwZNm/Capture.png (https://ibb.co/bszWz4L)
https://i.ibb.co/MBXdHSX/IMG-20210325-073318-462.jpg (https://ibb.co/phmqTwm)

[ScreamingViking]

Just need more on Catharine S. to generate foot traffic to use it.

[Chronamut]

I do love that building in toronto - stayed there once - very classy ;)

[HammerTeim]

Curious what sort of amenities the new building will have and whether they will actually be of any practical use.

The party room and theatre in the Connaught seem fancy in theory but to book them you have to take a 20 minute drive up the mountain to the property management office. Makes the whole thing more or less a sales gimmick unfortunately.

Not sure if that's normal for condos in Hamilton, since facility booking is usually handled by the security desk at my old condo in Toronto.

[TheHonestMaple]

Are you sure you have to drive up to their office, why would you have to do that? In my condo you simply send the property manager an email and they book you in.

[ScreamingViking]

I would think it will be done on-site once this development is complete. The rooms don't even exist yet (unless there's something in the first phases to which the poster is referring?)

[hamiltonresident]

Has Moderne launched? I thought the earlier posts said it was launching this fall, which changed from a launch in the summer, which changed from a launch in 2020 and then 2019. They also reduced their sales office hours to 30 mins on Saturdays only, what does that mean?

If it doesn't launch soon, the amenities might be as practical as the pocket of air currently above Catherine street?:shrug:

The article said construction was to be completed in 2025, does that mean it's going to be more like 2026?

[ScreamingViking]

Has Moderne launched? I thought the earlier posts said it was launching this fall

Well, they do have until the late morning of Dec 21 if they want to meet that "fall" target, at least officially. ;)

The website looks no different to me than it did when launched though. Still just an invitation to register, some images and a few paragraphs...

[Innsertnamehere]

an attempted appeal of the heritage designation for this property has failed:

https://pub-hamilton.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=297517

[hamiltonresident]

Still launching this fall? Less than 20 days to go!!!

I have a couple of questions for the forum or insiders that might be on here

*Sometimes a crane for high-rises needs to be anchored into an adjacent building, will this crane need to be anchored into the red brick building during construction? Will people be forced to move out?

*The bridge/tunnel that was supposed to connect the red brick portion of building to the moderne on the 8th floor, will the corner unit and adjacent unit need to be bought out or evicted to build this tunnel Or is there already an empty space that was held vacant to become the tunnel

*In the video of the building, the outdoor rooftop patio extends behind the building all the way to main street, where will be people that park outside park during construction?


I am sure Spallacci explained this to all the owners that purchased in the red brick part of the building, can anyone share the details?

Also, as a follow up to my earlier posts, the social media or Royal Connaught and Spallacci homes has gone dead for months now. What is going on? Seems odd, as there is a biggest construction and real estate boom happening right now, why aren't they building anything?

[Innsertnamehere]

1. No.

2. No idea but if the bridge is still happening they won’t be wiping a unit out for it, there will be a space dedicated to it.

3. No idea but the developer will have to provide some form of accommodation. Likely on parts of the remaining surface lot until they can be shifted to an underground spot in the new building.

[Hawrylyshyn]

I'm actively getting ads on Instagram and Facebook for Phase 3, I don't think their social media presence is dead

[TheHonestMaple]

Yeah I constantly see ads on Instagram and various websites I visit.

[hamiltonresident]

So some people that claim to be owners in the building and one person that I know that lives there have reached out to me and say there is no dedicated space on the 8th floor.... so the current residents won't have direct access to the amenities that will be moved there.

What do the ads say? "coming soon" or "coming this fall?". come on....it's been "coming soon" since 2018 or 2019. Are we still going to believe every word that Spallacci says or can we finally acknowledge that the emperor has no cloths on?

[Innsertnamehere]

So some people that claim to be owners in the building and one person that I know that lives there have reached out to me and say there is no dedicated space on the 8th floor.... so the current residents won't have direct access to the amenities that will be moved there.

What do the ads say? "coming soon" or "coming this fall?". come on....it's been "coming soon" since 2018 or 2019. Are we still going to believe every word that Spallacci says or can we finally acknowledge that the emperor has no cloths on?

why do you have such a hate on for this project lol? All you ever do is post pointless and baseless negative speculation on this thread.

These guys clearly aren't quick movers on this one but it's also clearly still inching along. The marketing campaign launched only a few months ago, and it's not uncommon for condo projects to market for a few months, then sit in sales for 1-2 years before starting construction.

[TheRitsman]

why do you have such a hate on for this project lol? All you ever do is post pointless and baseless negative speculation on this thread.

These guys clearly aren't quick movers on this one but it's also clearly still inching along. The marketing campaign launched only a few months ago, and it's not uncommon for condo projects to market for a few months, then sit in sales for 1-2 years before starting construction.

I think it's mostly a criticism of the landlords. Landlord can not be evil incarnate, but it's hard to not be stressed out when your home is planned to be altered and you kicked out. It may be the right of the land owner, but stability is important in people's lives, and being told to leave is stressful. The way this company has done it in the past is far from the best and nicest way, so they are critical of this company being difficult again. People need to know when they will be evicted. Not being able to plan your living situation is mentally exhausting.

Some posters here either lack empathy or sympathy when it comes to other people's living situations. If you own or live with family, there is never stress of where you will sleep next week. When you rent, some don't mind the changing nature of renting and instability, because they have a good attitude about it.

Many others want the stability of ownership regardless of financial gain, but can't afford it, and are left being a square peg in a round hole.

I think the new proposals are much better than before, but being so flakey about when evictions will take place is definitely a stressor for many. I think we can have respectful commentary here without immediately jumping on each other all the time for not being in complete support if every project, every time.

[TheHonestMaple]

I think it's mostly a criticism of the landlords. Landlord can not be evil incarnate, but it's hard to not be stressed out when your home is planned to be altered and you kicked out. It may be the right of the land owner, but stability is important in people's lives, and being told to leave is stressful. The way this company has done it in the past is far from the best and nicest way, so they are critical of this company being difficult again. People need to know when they will be evicted. Not being able to plan your living situation is mentally exhausting.

Some posters here either lack empathy or sympathy when it comes to other people's living situations. If you own or live with family, there is never stress of where you will sleep next week. When you rent, some don't mind the changing nature of renting and instability, because they have a good attitude about it.

Many others want the stability of ownership regardless of financial gain, but can't afford it, and are left being a square peg in a round hole.

I think the new proposals are much better than before, but being so flakey about when evictions will take place is definitely a stressor for many. I think we can have respectful commentary here without immediately jumping on each other all the time for not being in complete support if every project, every time.

When you rent you unfortunately do not have the right. It's the landlords property at the end of the day, and he only has the minimum legal obligations. If chooses to kick you out for whatever legal reason, then he can do so. When you sign a lease, all of this is clearly laid out. It's a legal contract. When you get removed, you cannot claim the landlord is acting in bad faith. It's his property at the end of the day, he can do whatever he likes.

Landlords are not some charity organization. The goal is ultimately to make money not to give people a free place to stay. I've had some nightmare tenants before, so I 100% back the landlord's right to remove people. For some reason in this country tenants think that they have some right to the property. It's bizarre.

[Innsertnamehere]

I think it's mostly a criticism of the landlords. Landlord can not be evil incarnate, but it's hard to not be stressed out when your home is planned to be altered and you kicked out. It may be the right of the land owner, but stability is important in people's lives, and being told to leave is stressful. The way this company has done it in the past is far from the best and nicest way, so they are critical of this company being difficult again. People need to know when they will be evicted. Not being able to plan your living situation is mentally exhausting.

Some posters here either lack empathy or sympathy when it comes to other people's living situations. If you own or live with family, there is never stress of where you will sleep next week. When you rent, some don't mind the changing nature of renting and instability, because they have a good attitude about it.

Many others want the stability of ownership regardless of financial gain, but can't afford it, and are left being a square peg in a round hole.

I think the new proposals are much better than before, but being so flakey about when evictions will take place is definitely a stressor for many. I think we can have respectful commentary here without immediately jumping on each other all the time for not being in complete support if every project, every time.

It’s a condo though - If he has issues with the landlords it’s some small time landlord who owns the unit. He keeps behaving like Spallacci still owns the whole building which isn’t the case, it’s now owned by the condo board. Any modifications to the existing building would have had to be set out in the condo registration as required or else Spallacci would have to pay the condo board to provide them.

And no evictions can take place for that reason - Spallacci no longer owns the units. If they need a space in the existing building they would have had to set it aside when the last phase was built.

Thus the “baseless speculation” bit. Evictions are legally impossible as the people here do actually own their units (or at least Spallacci doesn’t), but he’s going on as if they are going to occur en masse.

I mean it also just doesn’t make sense in a general perspective either - why in the world would a developer spend hundreds of thousands of dollars building units just to rip them out 3 years later?

[TheRitsman]

It’s a condo though - If he has issues with the landlords it’s some small time landlord who owns the unit. He keeps behaving like Spallacci still owns the whole building which isn’t the case, it’s now owned by the condo board. Any modifications to the existing building would have had to be set out in the condo registration as required or else Spallacci would have to pay the condo board to provide them.

And no evictions can take place for that reason - Spallacci no longer owns the units. If they need a space in the existing building they would have had to set it aside when the last phase was built.

Thus the “baseless speculation” bit. Evictions are legally impossible as the people here do actually own their units (or at least Spallacci doesn’t), but he’s going on as if they are going to occur en masse.

I mean it also just doesn’t make sense in a general perspective either - why in the world would a developer spend hundreds of thousands of dollars building units just to rip them out 3 years later?

I had opened multiple tabs and thought this comment was in regards to another thread which actually had no comments. Apologies.

The point remains that bad developers continue to make life difficult for people living in these developments. Vrancor made the Dundurn lofts into a shitshow, and this one had legitimate criticisms about use of space. I think it's nice to know when there's Going to be a building in the same development going up beside you. I owned a condo where two new buildings were supposed to go up next to them a few metres away disturbing residents for years. Communication is key, and the same thing happens with developers where when they're done construction they have absolutely no care in the world about the community they're building in, especially important when part of that community is a building they built next door.

Now for the general public, while is annoying to not know when this is coming, I agree it's silly of us to expect anything. We have no right to know what's coming, regardless of ethics or behaviour of the developer.

[interr0bangr]

After multiple years in the hype hopper, the big reveal of the newest ground floor restaurant has finally happened.

Introducing........................

Mucho Burrito (https://locations.muchoburrito.com/ll/CA/ON/Hamilton/110-King-Street-East)

Opens this week apparently...

[craftbeerdad]

They've had the ad on the window for weeks now. Brutal. Nothing says awesome like three burrito places in a block. What year is it 2002?

[Innsertnamehere]

Mucho Burrito is probably the worst of the three, too.

It's good to see more chains taking downtown Hamilton space as a sign of confidence in the market, but damn is it disappointing it has to be that chain.

[Hawrylyshyn]

Mucho Burrito is probably the worst of the three, too.

It's good to see more chains taking downtown Hamilton space as a sign of confidence in the market, but damn is it disappointing it has to be that chain.

+1. Not an ideal restaurant to fill the place, but it's good to see some larger chains opening up locations downtown.

[TheRitsman]

Blegh if chains show economic strength I'd prefer going back the other way. Hamilton's downtown is amazing to me because it's a chain ghost town.

I am a sucker for Burrito Boyz though. After a night out drinking when it used to be open until 4am it's was the best. Buy a big one and eat half that night to absorb some of the alcohol and leave half for breakfast. *Chefs kiss*

[atnor]

Where’s hamilton23 or whatever his username is? Being threatened with defamation law suits was a monumental time in this forum.

But yeah, mucho burrito being the big unveil is a joke and very underwhelming.

[HamiltonBoyInToronto]

I'm sure there must have been a better tenant in mind back in the day and now this is all they can get. Which surprises me considering it's location. There should have been a sobeys express or even a shoppers express (if that exists)

[TheHonestMaple]

I'm sure there must have been a better tenant in mind back in the day and now this is all they can get. Which surprises me considering it's location. There should have been a sobeys express or even a shoppers express (if that exists)

I think with the massive influx of residents to the downtown in the next two years we'll likely see a grocery store pop up within a couple hundred metres of Gore Park.

[craftbeerdad]

I think with the massive influx of residents to the downtown in the next two years we'll likely see a grocery store pop up within a couple hundred metres of Gore Park.

I know just the spot! John & Main. Multi-floored grocery store would be rad here. Can't wait till this piece of land sells. Such an eyesore. Going to take some remediation though, so better be some incentives.

[Chronamut]

+1. Not an ideal restaurant to fill the place, but it's good to see some larger chains opening up locations downtown.

Just be glad its not another moneymart

[TheRitsman]

Just be glad its not another moneymart

Those are limited to 1 per ward, so we will likely never see another one open.

[hamiltonresident]

How did the launch of Moderne go? Can anyone share floor plans, pricing, initial condo fee set up? How is the model suite looking? The last one was gorgeous I am sure the moderne one would be even better.

[drpgq]

I wonder how much Mucho Burrito is paying for rent. Has to be a giant comedown from what they originally expected.

[TheRitsman]

I wonder how much Mucho Burrito is paying for rent. Has to be a giant comedown from what they originally expected.

I mean I'm glad they lowered it to get a tenant at least. Better than Darko and his insane rents that leave vacant space for a decade until rent prices catch up.

[LikeHamilton]

Sweet new bakery coming to the Connaught

Sugar Daddies, a sugar-free, gluten-free and keto baked goods shop, is slated for a March 9 opening in the former hotel.

By Jeremy Kemeny The Hamilton Spectator Tue., March 8, 2022

The residents of Hamilton’s historic Royal Connaught will soon have a tasty new neighbour, with a bakery moving into the downtown landmark as early as this week.

Sugar Daddies makes “deliciously rich” sugar-free, gluten-free and keto baked goods, its website says.


The Cambridge-based bakery launched in 2018 as an online store, before opening its first bricks-and-mortar location in 2019. It expanded in 2021 to include keto, gluten-free and sugar-free brunch and lunch items.

Throughout the pandemic, the business built up a customer base in the area, said co-owner Greg Gardner-Orbon. The new location, opening March 9 at 120 King St. E., will make Sugar Daddies products more accessible to locals, he added. It’s the brand’s second shop.

The new bakery is the third street-level storefront in the Royal Connaught — a former hotel, which is now a condominium. A Starbucks arrived in April 2018, just after tenants began to move in to the building, and a Mucho Burrito opened more recently.

Now, Sugar Daddies — open 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. daily, with extended hours until 8 p.m. Thursday — will give downtown residents a sweet new option for treats.

https://www.thespec.com/business/2022/03/08/hamilton-bakery-sugar-daddies-royal-connaught.html

[escolt45]

How did the launch of Moderne go? Can anyone share floor plans, pricing, initial condo fee set up? How is the model suite looking? The last one was gorgeous I am sure the moderne one would be even better.

Didn't launch yet. It was supposed to last fall. I've been seeing ads for at least 6 months now. I don't know why these guys are dillydallying. Prices are almost at 1200psf in Hamilton so they'll be making at least triple their money.

Maybe they don't have the capital to build, maybe there's something with their approval, who knows. It doesn't make sense. They could easily hire a Milborne or Baker and sell out the project in a week and figure out the rest of the details later.

Lost opportunity imo.

[ScreamingViking]

I don't know why these guys are dillydallying. Prices are almost at 1200psf in Hamilton so they'll be making at least triple their money.

I think the answer is right there in what you wrote. Why launch at a lower price point when the market is trending higher?

It's no longer about just getting in before the other guys.

[StEC]

I really want this one to get started, wish they would stop dragging ass!

[hamiltonresident]

I still think they don’t have the money to launch. Something must be wrong. Why did they send everyone an email saying they were launching in the fall when According to this forum they didn’t :shrug:

[garywang]

I live at 118 King and I saw they are doing soil testing recently!

[HamiltonBoyInToronto]

Doing soil testing today

[StEC]

Can also confirm soil testing, I got really excited when I went by there 30mins ago!

[hamiltonresident]

Isn’t soil testing something you do like way before you decide if you can build on the site and make a plan for the foundation? Why are they doing it now if they were advertising a 2021 launch?

I’m very confused with this soil testing thing

[urban_planner]

Isn’t soil testing something you do like way before you decide if you can build on the site and make a plan for the foundation? Why are they doing it now if they were advertising a 2021 launch?

I’m very confused with this soil testing thing

Also I could have sworn they did some soil testing a few years ago.

[TheHonestMaple]

Probably verifying no changes since the original test prior to construction. Isn't there some sort of underground river around here?

[StEC]

Probably verifying no changes since the original test prior to construction. Isn't there some sort of underground river around here?

Having zero expertise in this subject myself this sounds logical probably because they waited so long since the original testing and starting this project. Lets hope this is just a quick check to ensure they can start?

[Chronamut]

Probably verifying no changes since the original test prior to construction. Isn't there some sort of underground river around here?

yes there are a bunch around here that run sorta diagonally down to the bay that have been built on top. I have a map somewhere that shows some of them..

[ScreamingViking]

Isn’t soil testing something you do like way before you decide if you can build on the site and make a plan for the foundation? Why are they doing it now if they were advertising a 2021 launch?

I’m very confused with this soil testing thing

Could it be that the older tests are out of date now? I'd think those things have a shelf-life.

So this could be a good sign that the developer is finally moving on the new phase(s).

[HamiltonBoyInToronto]

Is sugar daddy's going to put up any signage ?

[SteelTown]

Is sugar daddy's going to put up any signage ?

You gotta put out before getting cash from any sugar daddy :P

[hamiltonresident]

Is sugar daddy's going to put up any signage ?

I think that’s because of the heritage designation! You need the committee to sign off on a sign

[HamiltonBoyInToronto]

You gotta put out before getting cash from any sugar daddy :P

Speaking from experience ?? Lol 😆

[SteelTown]

https://c.tenor.com/y_UQ5LdazQkAAAAC/shangela-sugar-daddy.gif

:D

[hamiltonresident]

It’s too bad spallacci didn’t launch before the interest rate hikes and the ban on foreign buyers….. does anyone know why they haven’t?

[TheRitsman]

It’s too bad spallacci didn’t launch before the interest rate hikes and the ban on foreign buyers….. does anyone know why they haven’t?

The Spallacci family doesn't seem like it's made of geniuses.

[TheHonestMaple]

It’s too bad spallacci didn’t launch before the interest rate hikes and the ban on foreign buyers….. does anyone know why they haven’t?

The foreign buyer ban is pure political theatre. Something like 90% of foreign purchases are done through international students (think rich parents overseas). International students are exempt from the ban. The Liberals know exactly what they're doing.

[hamiltonresident]

The foreign buyer ban is pure political theatre. Something like 90% of foreign purchases are done through international students (think rich parents overseas). International students are exempt from the ban. The Liberals know exactly what they're doing.

Is the moderne’s primary target market international students? I heard the old phases are more than 50% international students now so I guess that makes sense, although the marketing doesn’t seem to target students.

[urban_planner]

They were doing some more core samples here today on the far southwest corner of the parking lot.

[hamiltonresident]

Are we supposed to be impressed that they are doing soil samples? so while they’ve been doing soil samples and core samples for what 5-7 years, dozens of buildings have been built around Hamilton. Now the environment is bad with interest rates, inflation, labour shortages..

Obviously something is wrong with the company or the project otherwise they wouldn’t have advertised in the post that they were launching launch last summer then go silent.

[TheRitsman]

Are we supposed to be impressed that they are doing soil samples? so while they’ve been doing soil samples and core samples for what 5-7 years, dozens of buildings have been built around Hamilton. Now the environment is bad with interest rates, inflation, labour shortages..

Obviously something is wrong with the company or the project otherwise they wouldn’t have advertised in the post that they were launching launch last summer then go silent.

I'm still seeing it actively advertised on social media platforms.

[urban_planner]

Anyone know if the Condo Gallery down at the site is actually open?

[hamiltonresident]

They posted on Instagram that they still have penthouse suites available from the builder. Wow. How many years have they been trying to sell those???

[escolt45]

They posted on Instagram that they still have penthouse suites available from the builder. Wow. How many years have they been trying to sell those???


1.2mil for a resale condo in Hamilton, not going to happen anytime soon.

The only way I can see condos selling for over 1mil in Hamilton is if they're pre-con because that's a nice and easy way for all the international investors to launder their money.

[hamiltonresident]

There you go! Spallacci can’t even sell their penthouses to international buyers. Probably the least impressive builder in Hamilton in my view.

Good luck to moderne.

[urban_planner]

Anyone else notice their not seeing as many ads for this. I'm really starting to doubt we see this move forward.

[TheRitsman]

This proposal is a joke

[Hawrylyshyn]

I've still been getting ads to be honest -- more for Emblem but the occasional one for this and Apex

[urban_planner]

Apparently now coming this fall pr maybe this is still from last fall?

https://i.imgur.com/J2sQbX3h.jpeg

[escolt45]

Good news I just got an email blast. The vip launch is September 13.

But now they're starting from the 500s, not the 300s.

IMO it's a better project than Design district, 75 James, Apex, or Radio Arts so hopefully they can sell this out and start construction asap.

[StEC]

Just got this via email!

https://i.ibb.co/X2ZtJ9S/Screenshot-20220830-182214.png (https://ibb.co/znhZf1G)

[hamiltonresident]

Finally!! Is someone on this forum looking to buy and booking an appointment? I would be very weary of the fine print regarding deposits and forfeiture and also whatever tricks they have in the disclosure statements, if any. New condo construction is no joke and projects are failing constantly even for the bigger builders.

Personally I say buyer BEWARE.