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blackcat23

Jul 28, 2016, 12:11 AM

ESPN editor reports: (https://twitter.com/kevinarnovitz/status/758368542857105410)

Where would Balmer find any space for a stadium in the Westside? And even if he does, good fucking luck against the NIMBYs.

The only site I can think of on the Westside large enough to accommodate an arena + entertainment complex would be Santa Monica Airport. File that one under the "when hell freezes over," category.

The Daily News also says they're considering spots near the new Rams Stadium in Inglewood, and other areas of Downtown.

Inglewood seems like a maybe, although there doesn't seem to be many options besides the Hollywood Park site.

Downtown has a lot of large properties under single ownership near Union Station, as well as LA Center Studios, which has previously been considered for an arena.

I understand the allure of building a new arena/LA Live-type complex just for the Clippers, but am not sure that they'd be able to fill it with non NBA events. There are already a lot of established large venues in LA, with more on the way (Rams, LAFC stadium). How's he going to compete with AEG and MSG to book concerts?

King Kill 'em

Jul 28, 2016, 12:23 AM

They should just stay at the Staples Center

ChelseaFC

Jul 28, 2016, 12:29 AM

GFL finding land and getting approval to build on the west side proper. Plenty of land in El Segundo, however if he wants to be somewhat close to the Playa Vista tech corridor.

Although I'd personally be in favor of a Long Beach Arena redevelopment.

King Kill 'em

Jul 28, 2016, 12:46 AM

What about building it next to Dodger Stadium and turning the surrounding parking lot into a mixed use neighborhood.

caligrad

Jul 28, 2016, 3:09 AM

The Clipper Arena conversation is rather interesting. When Steve Ballmer bought the team, he bought the team with the stipulation that the team stayed in the LA, one of the laundry list of things that Mrs. Sterlings demanded when she sold the team, but its not surprising that he wants to move the team. He once tried to buy the Sacramento Kings just to move the team to Seattle under the "super sonic" name.

That being said. If he keeps his promise and keeps the team here, he wont make a single dime in the LA area with his own arena during the off season for the simple fact , as blackcat stated, there are already enough venues in the LA area to handle all of the award shows and concerts.

If he must remain in the LA area ( Orange County doesn't count), his only viable options would be

1. The Valley (ugh)
or
2.Long Beach (might work, there's an arena there already but meh)

But I'm guessing he's waiting for the sterlings to leave this earth so he can move the team to Seattle (most likely), back to San Diego (could happen) or Vegas (they just built a brand new arena). The clippers have always been in the Lakers shadow, even when they are doing good. I never understood why owners, in general, feel its a smart move to over saturate a market with multiple teams of the same sport. One always gets overshadowed by the other.

Truth be told, I hope the Clippers do move, just to get their own market.

(Before anybody "tries" to rip me a new one (you should know better by now), everything I'm saying is just my own personal sports opinion, nothing to be taken seriously)

King Kill 'em

Jul 28, 2016, 3:56 AM

^But what about the last few seasons when they've been doing better than the Lakers? What if that continues? It would be silly of them to leave if it did.

caligrad

Jul 28, 2016, 4:10 AM

^^^You're right. But that's even a better reason to leave now while their on a high note. They have been doing very well these past few seasons but even still, the media and people in general are focused on the Lakers. Now that Kobe is gone, that might change for a while. But literally this is how the evening news viewed the Lakers and Clippers

" Well the Clippers made the playoofs.....IN OTHER NEWs, the Lakers are rebuilding the team, Kobe injured his wisdom tooth, we are so optimistic for the Lakers next season, blah blah blah blah"

The Clippers never get the attention they deserve, and they never will with all of the banners hanging in the staples center belonging to the Lakers, Sparks and Kings.

I'm almost willing to bet that the Clippers will break the lease and move to Seattle, San Diego or Vegas (which seems to be every ones go to city lately)

(Before anybody "tries" to rip me a new one (you should know better by now), everything I'm saying is just my own personal sports opinion, nothing to be taken seriously)

King Kill 'em

Jul 28, 2016, 4:20 AM

LosAngelesSportsFan

Jul 28, 2016, 7:29 AM

The Clipper Arena conversation is rather interesting. When Steve Ballmer bought the team, he bought the team with the stipulation that the team stayed in the LA, one of the laundry list of things that Mrs. Sterlings demanded when she sold the team, but its not surprising that he wants to move the team. He once tried to buy the Sacramento Kings just to move the team to Seattle under the "super sonic" name.

That being said. If he keeps his promise and keeps the team here, he wont make a single dime in the LA area with his own arena during the off season for the simple fact , as blackcat stated, there are already enough venues in the LA area to handle all of the award shows and concerts.

If he must remain in the LA area ( Orange County doesn't count), his only viable options would be

1. The Valley (ugh)
or
2.Long Beach (might work, there's an arena there already but meh)

But I'm guessing he's waiting for the sterlings to leave this earth so he can move the team to Seattle (most likely), back to San Diego (could happen) or Vegas (they just built a brand new arena). The clippers have always been in the Lakers shadow, even when they are doing good. I never understood why owners, in general, feel its a smart move to over saturate a market with multiple teams of the same sport. One always gets overshadowed by the other.

Truth be told, I hope the Clippers do move, just to get their own market.

As Balmer has stated, as long as he's alive, they will not leave Los Angeles... The simple reason? They are the second fiddle team in LA and are still worth $2 billion +... In San Diego, Vegas or Seattle? Less than half of that. They sell out every game, have good ratings and a good core fan base... As big as the Lakers? Of course not, only 2 or 3 teams world wide are as popular as the lakers.

Bottom line, they are not moving out of LA. I'm with black cat.. Most likely staying at staples, but if moving it's to long Beach or by union station

BrandonJXN

Jul 28, 2016, 11:38 AM

It would piss me off if Las Vegas ever got a sports team. Like Vegas isn't even a real city. It's just a bunch of casinos surrounded by what is probably the most disgusting sprawl in the country. The effect of everyone driving to the arena to see the game would be terrible for the environment. They don't deserve a sports team.

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What a silly statement. The NHL is going to expand to Vegas for the 2017-2018 season. Vegas has over 2 million people in the metro area. Vegas is more than capable of handling a sports team (UNLV anyone?). Especially considering that they just built the brand new T-Mobile Arena.

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scania

Jul 28, 2016, 12:59 PM

bzcat

Jul 28, 2016, 10:04 PM

Balmer is probably just looking for leverage in negotiating a lease extension with AEG.

However, if that really falls apart, how about the Carson site? I'm sure Carson will be more than happy to take the Clippers now that Chargers move is basically out of the question.

The Illusive Man

Jul 28, 2016, 10:05 PM

As Balmer has stated, as long as he's alive, they will not leave Los Angeles... The simple reason? They are the second fiddle team in LA and are still worth $2 billion +... In San Diego, Vegas or Seattle? Less than half of that. They sell out every game, have good ratings and a good core fan base... As big as the Lakers? Of course not, only 2 or 3 teams world wide are as popular as the lakers.

Bottom line, they are not moving out of LA. I'm with black cat.. Most likely staying at staples, but if moving it's to long Beach or by union station

Yes, the Clippers are never moving out of the area. They are one of the most profitable teams in the league and have been for years. If they move to any other market, their value would fall big time. They are worth more in LA and supported better than most markets with just 1 team.

LA is a two team in each sport type of market. Just like New York. Eventually there will be a 2nd NFL team as well, it's just a matter of time.

The Clippers getting their own arena would be a great idea and another venue that could help attract the 2024 Olympics. I'm all for it.

NSMP

Jul 28, 2016, 10:18 PM

Yes, the Clippers are never moving out of the area. They are one of the most profitable teams in the league and have been for years. If they move to any other market, their value would fall big time. They are worth more in LA and supported better than most markets with just 1 team.

LA is a two team in each sport type of market. Just like New York. Eventually there will be a 2nd NFL team as well, it's just a matter of time.

The Clippers getting their own arena would be a great idea and another venue that could help attract the 2024 Olympics. I'm all for it.

Moving the clips to a brand new arena just to get a two week event is short-sighted. Staples is an exceptional arena that does very well, but the LA region is absolutely glutted with stadiums and concert venues of all shapes, sizes and purposes. I personally don't see the need for any more, especially not on the other side of DTLA.

caligrad

Jul 29, 2016, 12:54 AM

^^^ I agree with you on that one. The LA area (including orange county) has more built and ready stadiums/arenas/venues than it already needs, Adding one more probably wont hurt but we really don't need it.

As Balmer has stated, as long as he's alive, they will not leave Los Angeles... The simple reason? They are the second fiddle team in LA and are still worth $2 billion +... In San Diego, Vegas or Seattle? Less than half of that. They sell out every game, have good ratings and a good core fan base... As big as the Lakers? Of course not, only 2 or 3 teams world wide are as popular as the lakers.

Bottom line, they are not moving out of LA. I'm with black cat.. Most likely staying at staples, but if moving it's to long Beach or by union station

I forgot about the market share conversation. Yeah in that perspective, I would stay in LA too. But. That being said, if they fall from grace yet again, which they will, Staples Center will empty out quickly during Clipper Games (or wont sell out to begin with as was the case through the 80s- early 2000s).Crazy you mentioned the 2 Billion price tag. With all of this talk about the Clippers moving, ESPN discussed the teams worth. Ballmer may have paid 2 Billion for the team but their actual worth is in the 550-700 million range, on par with most other teams in the league.

I don't take these team owners seriously with their "promises". Kroenke promised St. Louis that he wasn't moving the Rams, even though everything he was doing pointed to the opposite. Clay Bennet assured Seattle that he wasn't moving the Sonics. Less than 2 years later, and blaming Seattle for not building him a free stadium, he moved the team to Oklahoma City. Similar situation with the Houston Oilers (now the Tennessee Titans). And we cant forget our town favorite "Georgia Frontiere" She kept playing hopscotch with the Rams, promising she wouldn't move the team out of the LA area if we paid for her a stadium, when truth be told, she had always planned on moving the team to her home state after her husband died. Ballmer may say he's keeping the team here, but at the end of the day, he's a business man. LA is a large market but being oversaturated isn't going to help anyone.

3 NBA teams, NFL team, NHL team, MLB team, MLS team (we had two teams, poor Chivas folded) and if you include Orange County, that's another MLB team and NHL team, Add San Diego and that's another NFL team and MLB team. Market saturation to the max.

SoCalKid

Jul 29, 2016, 1:52 AM

I agree with all three of the last statements. Having another arena adds yet another piece of infrastructure that could help us get the Olympics, more concerts/shows, conventions, sporting events, ect. But we certianly don't [I]need[I] another. That being said, as long as there is no public money being spent on it, I'd be happy to see another arena in eastern Downtown, Union Station are, or at LA Center Studios as someone mentioned. If Balmer wants to spend his personal money to bring more attention to Downtown, great.

However, I would be upset to see a new Clippers arena built anywhere but Downtown or Downtown-adjacent, as that would take visitors, consumer spending, and attention away from Downtown.

To be honest though, I think this is all just a ploy to create leverage in re-negotiating the Clippers lease with the Staples Center.

caligrad

Jul 29, 2016, 2:12 AM

^^^ And there's that point as well. In regards to how these team owners are, I equate them to politicians. They all lie, they are all the same and they will do anything to get their way.

Illithid Dude

Jul 29, 2016, 2:53 AM

I could see a stadium being built near the North Hollywood red line stop, which has plenty of open space as well as being transit adjacent.

plutonicpanda

Jul 29, 2016, 2:58 AM

What is the building East of the 101 on Sunset? It has been under construction forever and nothing has moved on it.

ChelseaFC

Jul 29, 2016, 6:04 AM

What is the building East of the 101 on Sunset? It has been under construction forever and nothing has moved on it.

You might be referring to the Target that's been delayed by lawsuits.

Here's the Hollywood development map if you want to verify: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1CUSlQnxMm4Ang6A0plS4Au894Ek

ByTheBay

Jul 29, 2016, 9:41 AM

I think the lot right above the future Purple Line Station in Century City would be the perfect spot for an arena. It would generate more night time activity in the area and people could hang out at the Westfield mall before and after games. It's far enough away from residential neighborhoods and most games are at night so it wouldn't disrupt the offices in the area really. I know that lot is proposed for another office building but maybe it can be sold for the right price, besides I can't find another area in the westside where an arena can ideally be placed.

BrandonJXN

Jul 29, 2016, 1:21 PM

Clippers are not leaving Los Angeles let alone Staples Center.

mdiederi

Jul 29, 2016, 5:43 PM

Frank Gehry’s Sunset Strip project is approved — ‘I will do my best to make you proud’
Five new buildings with architecture that’s classic Gehry

http://la.curbed.com/2016/7/29/12315196/frank-gehry-sunset-strip-project-approved

Celebrity architect Frank Gehry’s big residential and retail project on the Sunset Strip is a go. The city’s planning commission on Thursday voted unanimously to give final approval to a cluster of Gehry-designed buildings at 8150 Sunset Boulevard.

Its location at Crescent Heights, directly across from favorite celebrity-haunt Chateau Marmont, is prime, and the developer, Townscape Partners, says it’s an iconic design that will serve as the "eastern gateway" to the strip.

The five buildings with varying heights from three to 15 stories will hold 249 residential units, 15 percent of which will be rented below market rate to tenants with lower incomes. That percentage is an increase from what was initially proposed, a request made by commissioners. Plans also call for a market, restaurant, stores, and new bank. There’s also public space and a public plaza, landscaped with jacaranda and palm trees, plus about 800 parking spaces.

. . . The project would knock down a strip mall that's on the site now, and one Los Angeles resident has nominated its postwar-era bank building, which houses a Chase, for landmark status, which might protect it from demolition. A hearing on that nomination is set for August 18.

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ChargerCarl

Jul 29, 2016, 5:52 PM

Not a Gehry fan at all, but Im glad to hear this.

ocman

Jul 29, 2016, 7:37 PM

Singular Gehry buildings are sometimes great. But multiple Gehrys grouped together are a frenetic mess competing against itself.

This might be a good addition anyway because it's Sunset Strip as long as it doesn't tip over the line into Hollywood/Highland territory.

ByTheBay

Jul 29, 2016, 8:43 PM

Clippers are not leaving Los Angeles let alone Staples Center.

I'm not sure if you were stating this to the board in general or a direct response to my post, but if that's the case, Century City is within Los Angeles city limits but only a stone's throw away from Beverly Hills.

I think this location for an arena would be the most logical for Steve Ballmer if he's serious about moving out of Staples and wants to build a new arena within LA because of the future Purple Line Station and it's close proximity to LA's most affluent neighborhoods which would also make it a major draw for concerts and awards shows if they intend to duplicate Staples' success.

But like everyone is saying, I don't think LA really needs a new arena and the Clippers would be fine staying in Staples but the Lakers Championship banners will always cast a shadow over them so it's merely fun to speculate when sports owners become title envy.

StethJeff

Jul 29, 2016, 8:44 PM

(Before anybody "tries" to rip me a new one (you should know better by now), everything I'm saying is just my own personal sports opinion, nothing to be taken seriously)

Somehow after all of that discussion about the Clippers potentially moving, the only thing I took away from it was this. I'm just curious to know what exactly you meant by this??:haha::haha::haha:

caligrad

Jul 29, 2016, 10:22 PM

Somehow after all of that discussion about the Clippers potentially moving, the only thing I took away from it was this. I'm just curious to know what exactly you meant by this??:haha::haha::haha:

HAHAHA. Because back when the Rams were announced to be heading back to LA and the Chargers and Raiders were both blocked. I threw out my opinion that the Chargers would stay in SD and the Raiders would move out of state (which seems like a possibility these days).

Somebody "Tried" to railroad me and say I was wrong, but somehow thought it was ok to respond with their own fact less opinion and made it seem like they were 100% right and I was completely wrong.

That 3 day argument ended with them being on here sparsely these days :haha:

What can I say. I have a way with people :rolleyes:

bzcat

Jul 29, 2016, 11:10 PM

3 NBA teams, NFL team, NHL team, MLB team, MLS team (we had two teams, poor Chivas folded) and if you include Orange County, that's another MLB team and NHL team, Add San Diego and that's another NFL team and MLB team. Market saturation to the max.

We still have two MLS team. LAFC will begin play next year at the new soccer stadium shared with USC.

https://lafc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/160425_LAFC_Stadium-Launch_Cam-3_Final-2web.jpg

You also forgot USC and UCLA football, which are bigger football draws than NFL. Especially USC... Rams are not going to draw as many people or get better local TV ratings as USC on a regular basis.

ChargerCarl

Jul 30, 2016, 12:19 AM

You also forgot USC and UCLA football, which are bigger football draws than NFL. Especially USC... Rams are not going to draw as many people or get better local TV ratings as USC on a regular basis.

Hmm, I seriously doubt that.

caligrad

Jul 30, 2016, 2:43 AM

We still have two MLS team. LAFC will begin play next year at the new soccer stadium shared with USC.

[You also forgot USC and UCLA football, which are bigger football draws than NFL. Especially USC... Rams are not going to draw as many people or get better local TV ratings as USC on a regular basis.

Oh I know, but since they aren't playing right now, I didn't include them in the tally. Arent they the team that came out of Chivas imploding ? With all sports, the one I keep track of the least is soccer, not sure why, I actually like it :shrug:

College football to me has always been interesting. I'm more of a NFL type guy but a lot of the people I know actually prefer college ball. USC and UCLA will always dominate in terms of draw (filling the seats) but I think the Rams will undoubtedly sell out, especially when they get their own stadium in Inglewood. (or atleast for the first decade)

BrandonJXN

Jul 30, 2016, 11:44 AM

LAFC and Chivas are two wholly different teams.

Steve8263

Jul 30, 2016, 6:30 PM

Big foundation pour this morning at the Marriott Edition hotel site at Sunset and Doheny. Sorry no photos to share.

caligrad

Jul 31, 2016, 4:24 AM

LAFC and Chivas are two wholly different teams.

To an extent. That's what I was getting at. When you look up information about both, apparently some dude named Henry Nguyen, along with some other investors, bought Chivas and intentionally folded the organization just to rebrand it under the Los Angeles Football Club name to start "fresh". So its pretty much one in the same, with a different name, new colors and new players. Reason why I found it odd that It was called an expansion team when its really Chivas, returning from spring break with a new tan and different accent. But I don't keep up with soccer to be honest. But reading up on them, Pretty much sums up what happened.

hughfb3

Jul 31, 2016, 5:31 AM

Ooh!! The Century City Clippers!!!! Nice

ByTheBay

Jul 31, 2016, 5:57 AM

Ooh!! The Century City Clippers!!!! Nice

That could work! Kind of like the Brooklyn Nets, same city different territory.

ChelseaFC

Jul 31, 2016, 8:04 AM

To an extent. That's what I was getting at. When you look up information about both, apparently some dude named Henry Nguyen, along with some other investors, bought Chivas and intentionally folded the organization just to rebrand it under the Los Angeles Football Club name to start "fresh". So its pretty much one in the same, with a different name, new colors and new players. Reason why I found it odd that It was called an expansion team when its really Chivas, returning from spring break with a new tan and different accent. But I don't keep up with soccer to be honest. But reading up on them, Pretty much sums up what happened.

Incorrect. The LAFC owners did not purchase Chivas USA. It is not a rebrand. Chivas USA folded and the company was liquidated. LAFC may be replacing Chivas in the market, but they are completely separate entities. Different LLCs. This is not analogous to the Seattle Supersonics/Oklahoma City Thunder, which was the same entity, but rebranded.

Saying LAFC is the same thing as Chivas USA is like saying this http://www.robertsonpartners.net/images/och9.jpg is the same thing as this http://southpark.la/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Hanover-Grand.jpg, but just "rebranded."

colemonkee

Jul 31, 2016, 4:34 PM

What lot in Century City is large enough to hold a basketball arena? Certainly not the lot at the corner of Century Park West and Constellation.

caligrad

Jul 31, 2016, 9:05 PM

^^^ I was thinking the same. Unless somebody plans on tearing down a lot of buildings for the stadium and parking. But Century City would actually be an interesting idea.

Incorrect. The LAFC owners did not purchase Chivas USA. It is not a rebrand. Chivas USA folded and the company was liquidated. LAFC may be replacing Chivas in the market, but they are completely separate entities. Different LLCs. This is not analogous to the Seattle Supersonics/Oklahoma City Thunder, which was the same entity, but rebranded."

HHHHMMMMM this is interesting. From all of the information I've looked up on ESPN, LA times, even the teams website, MLS, even Sports illustrated and hell I even went to WIKi just for the shits and giggles, plus other information, and they are all in agreement in what happened.

MLS bought Chivas from the struggling previous owner. MLS initially wanted someone or a group of investors to buy the team to do a "Rebrand" (their words, not mine). Henry Nguyen steps in as the head of a group of investors that now include Magic Johnson and Will Farrell and others, to not only buy what was left of the team (not necessarily a liquidation but out right sell of 100+ million that included some debts) but to also buy the rights to a second soccer team in LA. Buy what's left of Chivas = buy the second market. Don't buy what was left of Chivas = Not buying the second market.

So in fact, if Henry Nguyen didn't buy what was left of Chivas, he couldn't have created the LAFC. Having different LLC/LLP doesn't mean anything. If I were to buy a business from someone, I would have to go under a different LLC/LLP, I couldn't piggy back off of the previous owner unless the previous owner was directly involved. So either the LA times, ESPN, sports illustrated, team websites and other information is oddly wrong or somebody else is :shrug:. (if you need confirmation, google is there and free)

Also, I wasn't comparing the supersonics/Oklahoma city mess with this ( even though in fact when the team was bought, it actually was bought under a different LLC and wasn't connected at all to the previous LLP before they moved to Oklahoma). That supersonic conversation was more so with myself not having trust with Ballmers promises from a business standpoint.

ByTheBay

Jul 31, 2016, 10:11 PM

What lot in Century City is large enough to hold a basketball arena? Certainly not the lot at the corner of Century Park West and Constellation.

No, I was referring to the lot where JMB Realty proposed a 37 story high rise on Avenue of The Stars and Constellation right above the future Purple Line Station. Interestingly enough, JMB Realty put the lot on sale June of 2015. An arena would be a very tight squeeze but that lot is rectangular so they would have to design a rectangular shaped arena like the Honda Center as opposed to the circular design of Staples Center.

ByTheBay

Jul 31, 2016, 10:30 PM

^^^

http://westsidetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Century-City-Center.png

http://westsidetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/20150128_150633.jpg

LosAngelesSportsFan

Aug 1, 2016, 12:44 AM

^^^ I was thinking the same. Unless somebody plans on tearing down a lot of buildings for the stadium and parking. But Century City would actually be an interesting idea.

HHHHMMMMM this is interesting. From all of the information I've looked up on ESPN, LA times, even the teams website, MLS, even Sports illustrated and hell I even went to WIKi just for the shits and giggles, plus other information, and they are all in agreement in what happened.

MLS bought Chivas from the struggling previous owner. MLS initially wanted someone or a group of investors to buy the team to do a "Rebrand" (their words, not mine). Henry Nguyen steps in as the head of a group of investors that now include Magic Johnson and Will Farrell and others, to not only buy what was left of the team (not necessarily a liquidation but out right sell of 100+ million that included some debts) but to also buy the rights to a second soccer team in LA. Buy what's left of Chivas = buy the second market. Don't buy what was left of Chivas = Not buying the second market.

So in fact, if Henry Nguyen didn't buy what was left of Chivas, he couldn't have created the LAFC. Having different LLC/LLP doesn't mean anything. If I were to buy a business from someone, I would have to go under a different LLC/LLP, I couldn't piggy back off of the previous owner unless the previous owner was directly involved. So either the LA times, ESPN, sports illustrated, team websites and other information is oddly wrong or somebody else is :shrug:. (if you need confirmation, google is there and free)

Also, I wasn't comparing the supersonics/Oklahoma city mess with this ( even though in fact when the team was bought, it actually was bought under a different LLC and wasn't connected at all to the previous LLP before they moved to Oklahoma). That supersonic conversation was more so with myself not having trust with Ballmers promises from a business standpoint.

Chivas is not the same as LAFC. For example, when the Lakers move to Minneapolis, their history came with the franchise. Chivas's previous record / accomplishments (if any lol) wont transfer to this new team. Sure, there may be some semantics ambiguity, but they are different. Completely different.

ChelseaFC

Aug 1, 2016, 5:31 AM

Chivas is not the same as LAFC. For example, when the Lakers move to Minneapolis, their history came with the franchise. Chivas's previous record / accomplishments (if any lol) wont transfer to this new team. Sure, there may be some semantics ambiguity, but they are different. Completely different.

If he wants to continue in his ignorance by claiming that LAFC is simply a rebranded zombie version of Chivas, he's welcome to do so. I don't frankly have the time or desire to worry about it. ESPN, the LA Times, etc. don't say anything of the sort. It's an outright fabrication.

They're completely different entities, period. Just so happens that they inhabited the same metropolitan area in relative succession.

caligrad

Aug 1, 2016, 7:55 AM

^^^ LOL I love when people get all up in their feelings on these threads for no apparent reason. No one is fabricating anything, nor are you of any significance or importance for me to lie to you, since I don't know you and honestly can care less to. You're just simply miss understanding what I'm trying to say (reason why I'm guessing you waited for LAsportsfan to respond before you decided to throw in a quick jab). Seeing how I'm guessing you took zero time to read what I said to understand what I was trying to say, feel free to take a hiatus from these threads to gather your thoughts if need be if it gets to much for you to handle.

Ignorance comes in all shapes and forms and not being able to comprehend what someone is trying to say is one of the main ignorance's on these threads. Now feel free to look below to understand what I was trying to say. And just to reiterate, nothing was fabricated. If you need a little help using the internet, PM me so I can give you some pointers. If you truly know how to dig down into files, the information is all there in plain view. No hard feelings :tup::haha:.

Chivas is not the same as LAFC. For example, when the Lakers move to Minneapolis, their history came with the franchise. Chivas's previous record / accomplishments (if any lol) wont transfer to this new team. Sure, there may be some semantics ambiguity, but they are different. Completely different.

Thanks for answering my question. I don't understand why everyone feels the need to get all up in their feelings about the smallest of conversations. As I stated, I love sports but soccer is the one I keep track of the least. I know Chivas and LAFC are two different entities, I was just trying to figure out how the deal worked with Henry Nguyen and MLS. I know how I worded it made it seem like I was saying they were one in the same but I didn't know how else to word it. Nguyen bought what was left of Chivas and its debts to buy the second MLS market rights. True. Nguyen created LAFC. True. That is all I was getting at and trying to understand. But as always, people get butt hurt and get all up in their feelings. I swear I picture people on here pounding their desks with their hands with a pacifier in their mouths whining like a baby with the smallest of misunderstandings or miscommunications :haha:.
But thanks for clarifying :cheers:

caligrad

Aug 1, 2016, 8:32 AM

IN OTHER NEWS, SORRY FOR THE DERAILMENT FOLKS, ^^^Ignore all of this and continue on from here.

A few things out of Long Beach. Apparently a homeless advocate actually has the nerve to question the new civic center plan because of Lincoln Park (for those who don't know, Lincoln Park at the current civic center is pretty much a homeless encampment these days), We received the notice for a public hearing at work on Friday (since I work in the mental health field). Apparently they want us to join them in the derailment of the current project until the developer is obligated to create some form of housing for the homeless. Highly doubt that will happen anywhere downtown, which is what they want.

In an odd move, Nimbys are questioning a new hotel tower proposed on Pine st. and Ocean ave., I don't think I've even heard of the project before but it looks decent. A few residents further down are scared of the increased traffic with this tower and the new civic center, so they are fighting it. Its unfortunate. I hope a judge doesn't side with them. I called it odd because the buildings these nimbys live in are barely a decade old. So their argument is a bit backwards.

"The Current" phase one has been leasing well, I went to the leasing office today and apparently they are expecting a 65% occupancy rate by December. Not bad. Looking from the outside, a lot of the balconies are already covered with plants and patio furniture. I hope that's a good sign for phase two, which at one point was supposed to be Long Beach new tallest, its supposed to break ground early next year I believe (knock on wood).

caligrad

Aug 1, 2016, 8:43 AM

No, I was referring to the lot where JMB Realty proposed a 37 story high rise on Avenue of The Stars and Constellation right above the future Purple Line Station. Interestingly enough, JMB Realty put the lot on sale June of 2015. An arena would be a very tight squeeze but that lot is rectangular so they would have to design a rectangular shaped arena like the Honda Center as opposed to the circular design of Staples Center.

^^^

http://westsidetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Century-City-Center.png

http://westsidetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/20150128_150633.jpg

Interesting, I figured that was the lot you were talking about but wasn't 100% sure. That would be interesting, not sure if the lot is large enough, but I wouldn't mind having a stadium in Century City. Not that we need it or anything but for those who aren't familiar with LA, it would be fun to see people at home scratching their heads when the helicopter camera pans out during games to show downtown AND Century City. I had a friend from out of town stay with me this weekend (her first time in LA) and as everybody not from here does, she asked me a million and one questions about Century City HAHA :haha:

"why is it here?, what is its purpose?, is this downtown for the west side?, what's the history behind it?"

It was also funny watching her ask the same question about Long Beach, Glendale and the Wilshire corridor. The poor girl is from Oklahoma. Bless her heart. She was even amazed with LAX and I found that hysterical.

colemonkee

Aug 1, 2016, 2:46 PM

ByTheBay, we're talking about the same lot. I work across the street from that lot and walk by it pretty regularly. Technically you could fit a small basketball stadium there, akin to the size of the Galen Center at USC, but it would be one of the smaller, if not smallest, arena in the NBA, which I would be contrary to the recent trend in stadiums having relatively high seating capacity (14,000-15,000 seats) and wider concourses. I'd be interested to see, though, how that lot compares to the lot size, of say, Barclays Arena in Brooklyn.

ChelseaFC

Aug 1, 2016, 3:51 PM

^^^ LOL I love when people get all up in their feelings on these threads for no apparent reason. No one is fabricating anything, nor are you of any significance or importance for me to lie to you, since I don't know you and honestly can care less to. You're just simply miss understanding what I'm trying to say (reason why I'm guessing you waited for LAsportsfan to respond before you decided to throw in a quick jab). Seeing how I'm guessing you took zero time to read what I said to understand what I was trying to say, feel free to take a hiatus from these threads to gather your thoughts if need be if it gets to much for you to handle.

Ignorance comes in all shapes and forms and not being able to comprehend what someone is trying to say is one of the main ignorance's on these threads. Now feel free to look below to understand what I was trying to say. And just to reiterate, nothing was fabricated. If you need a little help using the internet, PM me so I can give you some pointers. If you truly know how to dig down into files, the information is all there in plain view. No hard feelings :tup::haha:.

But as always, people get butt hurt and get all up in their feelings. I swear I picture people on here pounding their desks with their hands with a pacifier in their mouths whining like a baby with the smallest of misunderstandings or miscommunications :haha:

I swear sometimes it's like junior highers are posting here.

I simply point out when folks fabricate things or imply something that isn't true. Just so outright lies aren't perpetuated to those who may not be as familiar with such things. But yes, kiddo, please do "PM me some pointers". I'll look forward to it.

Wilcal

Aug 1, 2016, 5:41 PM

I swear sometimes it's like junior highers are posting here.

I simply point out when folks fabricate things or imply something that isn't true. Just so outright lies aren't perpetuated to those who may not be as familiar with such things. But yes, kiddo, please do "PM me some pointers". I'll look forward to it.
Please people, please let this subject go. I find it ironic that this whole topic is about an arena which would probably never be built on the site in question because it would NOT be economically feasible. This lot is now zoned for high rise residential, and to my knowledge it has been sold (or at least marketed) as such. The surrounding uses are pretty much the same along with office, and retail. And the one biggest, biggest obstacles that no one thought of in this "nonsensical NBA back and forth" is that the denizens, or NIMBYS) of the area: Beverly Hills, Westside, Century City, Rancho Park, Cheviot Hills, etc. would never, and I repeat never (yes, never is a word that I can safely use) allow a venue which would invite "the great unwashed of LA" into their neighborhood. NEVER...get it? I don't want to be harsh, but let us stop dreaming about something that will never happen.

King Kill 'em

Aug 2, 2016, 12:59 AM

I cleaned up some trash today!

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hughfb3

Aug 2, 2016, 5:03 AM

I cleaned up some trash today!

yAFtQ82Ouo0

Lol, nice!!! You live up to your name. Next time you should do it to Beyoncé "Hold Up" and take it down with a bat

dktshb

Aug 2, 2016, 5:25 AM

I cleaned up some trash today!

yAFtQ82Ouo0

Not sure if I am a fan of tearing down other people's signs unless they shouldn't be there in the first place. I am a fan of putting up competing signs maybe pointing out that this is a couple blocks from a subway stop and that this kind of density actually helps with traffic... And that people who are putting up these signs are probably home owners who are only interested in their property values continuing to rise with a lack of housing. Their motives are purely selfish. If people do not want to live in a big congested city they need to pick up and move. This is Los Angeles not Tulsa, OK....

King Kill 'em

Aug 2, 2016, 6:05 AM

Lol, nice!!! You live up to your name. Next time you should do it to Beyoncé "Hold Up" and take it down with a bat

Actually got another song in mind. Gotta find somewhere else they put up signs though.

King Kill 'em

Aug 2, 2016, 6:06 AM

Not sure if I am a fan of tearing down other people's signs unless they shouldn't be there in the first place. I am a fan of putting up competing signs maybe pointing out that this is a couple blocks from a subway stop and that this kind of density actually helps with traffic... And that people who are putting up these signs are probably home owners who are only interested in their property values continuing to rise with a lack of housing. Their motives are purely selfish. If people do not want to live in a big congested city they need to pick up and move. This is Los Angeles not Tulsa, OK....

That's partly why I decided to change what they said instead of just taking them down.

King Kill 'em

Aug 2, 2016, 6:18 AM

I thought of 3 sites there might be NIMBY signs that I'll bike to tomorrow. If there are I'll put my own signs up next to them. Tell me if anyone thinks of any more.
-NoHo West project
-Gehry Sunset/crescent heights project
-expo/la cienega highrise

Wally West

Aug 2, 2016, 6:35 AM

That's partly why I decided to change what they said instead of just taking them down.

To be honest, defacing signs is as bad as tearing them down.

Personally, I'm okay with taking down signs. After all, once anything is out in public, it's pretty much free game of whatever happens to them. The same can be said about those signs advertising concerts, get rich schemes, etc.

Not to mention, it'll be easier to defend yourself if you're caught taking down signs. It's a common complaint to say the signs make the area look blighted. If you're caught defacing a sign, then it's going to take a while to explain your actions.

And if you're going to make signs against NIMBYs, please use facts. Don't do anything to insult NIMBYs because the NIMBYs will feel victimized and use that as fuel for their campaign. Remember that you're trying to appeal to the common man and avoid preaching to the choir (people like us who go on messageboards about urban developments). I mean, I find it common for people to be unaware of what NIMBY stands for so you have to use very simple and direct language. Just pointing out that the AIDS Foundation is using its resources to back NII will be an effective way to make people unwilling to sign the NII petitions.

The Illusive Man

Aug 2, 2016, 4:40 PM

Caligrad is kind of a goof ball. He tries wayyyyyy too hard. Calm down. Haha

But anyway, I love all the changes going on downtown. So exciting to see all of the cranes every time I come in.

SimonLA

Aug 2, 2016, 6:14 PM

blackcat23

Aug 3, 2016, 10:57 PM

New renderings for Academy Square

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/1140w/public/field/image/academy2.jpg?itok=_p3h5SxX (http://urbanize.la/post/updated-renderings-hollywoods-academy-square)

blackcat23

Aug 3, 2016, 11:01 PM

Large apartment complex planned in North Hills (http://urbanize.la/post/large-residential-complex-headed-north-valley)

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/950w/public/field/image/8811sepulveda.JPG?itok=OOuIMg3R (http://urbanize.la/post/large-residential-complex-headed-north-valley)

blackcat23

Aug 4, 2016, 4:10 PM

Apartments + Retail at 8th/Serrano in Koreatown

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/950w/public/field/image/8thserrano.JPG?itok=nnFJ9j15 (http://urbanize.la/post/koreatowns-latest-residential-complex-revealed)

blackcat23

Aug 4, 2016, 5:34 PM

Apartments planned for Hollywood Boulevard lot

Property was previously slated for a boutique hotel, which failed to gain necessary approvals.

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/950w/public/field/image/hollywoo1.JPG?itok=zbWIM07r (http://urbanize.la/post/rejected-hotel-site-become-apartments)

Steve8263

Aug 4, 2016, 9:13 PM

Finally have an update on the LACMA makeover including a slug of new images and a website-

http://buildinglacma.org/

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-et-cm-lacma-zumthor-design-20160803-snap-story.html

http://www.trbimg.com/img-57474958/turbine/la-1464289758-snap-photo/1500/1500x844

Wally West

Aug 4, 2016, 9:25 PM

Finally have an update on the LACMA makeover including a slug of new images and a website-

http://buildinglacma.org/

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-et-cm-lacma-zumthor-design-20160803-snap-story.html

http://i.imgur.com/3daJND1.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/DjBW31I.jpg?1

Thanks for sharing this update.

Personally I like the the black blob building. It's a lot better than what we have right now.

http://timelines.latimes.com/media/event_images/186/14517db5-59d7-46e3-a9d9-e42c32671087.jpg

ocman

Aug 4, 2016, 9:38 PM

I liked the blob too, but the gallery spaces look to be really epic.

Wally West

Aug 4, 2016, 10:01 PM

I liked the blob too, but the gallery spaces look to be really epic.

Agreed.

http://i.imgur.com/HVJBfhr.jpg?1

Muji

Aug 4, 2016, 10:46 PM

I like the 8th and Serrano proposal! It will be such a boon to the neighborhood and that stretch of 8th St.

In some other Koreatown news, the adaptive reuse of the historic Abbey Building at 6th and Normandie is wrapping up. I haven't gotten around to getting pictures of it, but I think that it looks very nice. Some basic info: http://omgivning.com/om/project/abbey-apartments

ChelseaFC

Aug 4, 2016, 11:21 PM

Runyon Canyon reopened this week...among the upgrades besides the main water pipeline were new fire hydrants, newly paved roads, new erosion controls, and new drinking fountains, including ones for dogs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co35KZYVUAA4PqN.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co3q4SbUEAEqWHv.jpg

MORE: http://photos.dailynews.com/2016/08/photos-runyon-canyon-re-opens/#1

King Kill 'em

Aug 5, 2016, 2:12 AM

I saw this and looked up the info on ZIMAS. It's a proposed 21 unit complex with 31 spaces. It was approved 2 years ago and so it only has a year more to break ground before it's approval becomes null. Hope it comes though. Good infill.

https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8344/28138534174_b6bb1eefcc_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/JSvkSW)DSC_0272 (https://flic.kr/p/JSvkSW) by Oscar Gake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/135818526@N06/), on Flickr

https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8636/28138531094_da31a669f6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/JSvjXQ)DSC_0274 (https://flic.kr/p/JSvjXQ) by Oscar Gake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/135818526@N06/), on Flickr

https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8645/28756059255_8f17d7f83e_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/KP5jz6)DSC_0280 (https://flic.kr/p/KP5jz6) by Oscar Gake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/135818526@N06/), on Flickr

Complex that recently started on Western just north of the 101.

https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8763/28724536646_855ac02c1d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/KLhKZQ)DSC_0283 (https://flic.kr/p/KLhKZQ) by Oscar Gake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/135818526@N06/), on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8820/28724530736_08330041bf_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/KLhJeW)DSC_0284 (https://flic.kr/p/KLhJeW) by Oscar Gake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/135818526@N06/), on Flickr

https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8642/28140770873_6ec2890424_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/JSGNLH)DSC_0290 (https://flic.kr/p/JSGNLH) by Oscar Gake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/135818526@N06/), on Flickr

https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8735/28140763673_1672c53c2a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/JSGLCz)DSC_0294 (https://flic.kr/p/JSGLCz) by Oscar Gake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/135818526@N06/), on Flickr

This was a waste. 2 units built on a lot where 10 probably could've been built.

https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8273/28756036535_812468e74f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/KP5cPn)DSC_0295 (https://flic.kr/p/KP5cPn) by Oscar Gake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/135818526@N06/), on Flickr

https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8671/28471990050_dd628b5eeb_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/KnYoGb)DSC_0302 (https://flic.kr/p/KnYoGb) by Oscar Gake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/135818526@N06/), on Flickr

blackcat23

Aug 5, 2016, 4:08 PM

14-story hotel planned near Hollywood and Vine

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/950w/public/field/image/vine_1.JPG?itok=xMtmYZDB (http://urbanize.la/post/hollywood-hotel-boom-heats)

Steve8263

Aug 5, 2016, 8:42 PM

^^^AHF better be sharpening their pitchforks opposing this project or they are going to look like the total frauds (regarding their alleged fear of traffic and density in the neighborhood) I/we? think they are.

caligrad

Aug 7, 2016, 7:19 PM

^^^ They wont, its far enough to not block their views in their own tall boxy monstrosity

Caligrad is kind of a goof ball. He tries wayyyyyy too hard. Calm down. Haha

Somebody has to be the resident Goofball sometimes HAHA, some people take these threads way too seriously as if they are getting paid to be here or something.

I swear sometimes it's like junior highers are posting here.

I simply point out when folks fabricate things or imply something that isn't true. Just so outright lies aren't perpetuated to those who may not be as familiar with such things.

HA, i'll be sure to put in a good word for you with the mods so you can finally hang up that rental cop outfit :cheers:
But you're right, these threads can seem like a junior high sometimes.
Like people butting into conversations they weren't initially a part of, people quickly resulting to name calling like calling somebody ignorant, and people accusing somebody of doing/saying something when they don't know the facts 100% themselves. Feels like a giant junior high cafeteria :rolleyes:

caligrad

Aug 7, 2016, 7:44 PM

With LACMAs "Blob" museum crossing over Wilshire (I like this new addition to be honest), will the other side of Wilshire also be green space? or will it be utilized for something else? since the rendering above leaves it grey.

I'm not sure on the rules of LACMA, but I always thought it was odd that not many people were utilizing the green space every time I've been there. I mean, I've seen a few people lounging around and a couple having a picnic before but not to many people at once. In my opinion, as long as the Homeless aren't setting up tents, I don't thing it would be a total problem for people to utilize that green space, or do the security guards shoo people away?

King Kill 'em

Aug 7, 2016, 8:35 PM

So the other day I went to the sites of the NoHo West project and the Gehry Sunset project. I saw no NIMBY signs. Just found out about these though in the single family neighborhood around the Martin Expo TOD. I think what I'll do it make flyers laying out the benefits of the project and attaching to the signs. https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13925584_1668355086824278_6212086688415897973_o.jpg

Is anybody willing to help me design and print some flyers advocating for the project?

blackcat23

Aug 7, 2016, 8:42 PM

Blvd 6200 South

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13902660_939470446196713_9098223663214724769_n.jpg?oh=b3c5bdc407a6ccb424586d1364a20366&oe=5859D024 (http://urbanize.la/tags/blvd-6200)

ChelseaFC

Aug 8, 2016, 2:47 AM

Some people just don't get it. The mute feature is spectacular.

blackcat23

Aug 8, 2016, 4:29 PM

Stalled Hollywood/Gower tower rises from dead

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/1140wb/public/field/image/20160806_103324.jpg?itok=uCEcWnBW (http://urbanize.la/post/plans-revived-stalled-hollywood-tower)

blackcat23

Aug 8, 2016, 8:14 PM

L.A. County looks to redevelop three Koreatown properties (http://urbanize.la/post/la-county-consider-redevelopment-koreatown-properties)

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/950w/public/field/image/vermont2.png?itok=GSDqwy7P2.png?itok=GSDqwy7P

King Kill 'em

Aug 9, 2016, 12:33 AM

This is such bullshit. Have city planners learned nothing from 50 years of giving into NIMBYs? They are never satisfied and will always want more. They are a parasite to the city and you're enabling that parasite to spread by creating even stricter regulations. Fuck I'm mad because I'm almost certain this will pass. It's going to drive up housing prices on new small lot subs and cost us even more units.https://www.theeastsiderla.com/2016/08/small-lot-development-rules-up-for-review/?utm_content=buffer5a691&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

blackcat23

Aug 9, 2016, 3:59 PM

Fly through NoHo West

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/950w/public/field/image/nohowest4.jpg?itok=rpUy2Ar8 (http://urbanize.la/post/fly-through-noho-west-development)

blackcat23

Aug 9, 2016, 6:07 PM

Senior housing to rise in Beverly Grove

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/1140w/public/field/image/beverly.png?itok=MRFguNv5 (http://urbanize.la/post/senior-housing-planned-beverly-grove)

blackcat23

Aug 10, 2016, 3:56 PM

Apartments + Retail planned around former Sunkist HQ

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/1140w/public/field/image/JohnsonFain_ICON_IMT_JF_2_0.jpg?itok=VQmxdwJ8 (http://urbanize.la/post/apartments-planned-around-former-sunkist-headquarters)

blackcat23

Aug 10, 2016, 6:31 PM

First look at $150M Panorama City development

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/950w/public/field/image/panorama2.png?itok=Bu22rcQ8 (http://urbanize.la/post/panorama-citys-icon-revealed)

blackcat23

Aug 10, 2016, 8:39 PM

Apartments headed to Venice Blvd site in Mar Vista

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/950w/public/field/image/marvista.png?itok=Mm2qLjNY (http://urbanize.la/post/apartments-slated-venice-boulevard-site)

ChelseaFC

Aug 12, 2016, 1:11 AM

Wally West

Aug 12, 2016, 1:16 AM

Hollywood mega-projects could be built sooner if Gov. Brown signs measure passed Thursday

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-sac-essential-politics-updates-hollywood-mega-projects-could-get-built-1470959165-htmlstory.html

http://www.trbimg.com/img-57a4d31b/turbine/la-po-g-sac-hollywood-skyscrapers/750/750x422

The biggest win from this project would be the Hollywood Freeway Cap project.

And the article states "Proponents estimate it could cut three years off their construction timelines."

blackcat23

Aug 12, 2016, 4:18 PM

http://www.trbimg.com/img-57a4d31b/turbine/la-po-g-sac-hollywood-skyscrapers/750/750x422

The biggest win from this project would be the Hollywood Freeway Cap project.

And the article states "Proponents estimate it could cut three years off their construction timelines."

Step in the right direction, but the developments that would really benefit from something like this are the smaller "mom-and-pop," type projects that don't have the resources to survive three years of litigation. Unfortunately, it would be very expensive to expand this type of treatment to all projects.

blackcat23

Aug 12, 2016, 4:20 PM

Checking in on the Waldorf Astoria Beverly Hills

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/1140wb/public/field/image/20160807_112618.jpg?itok=5VFJUsqa (http://urbanize.la/post/beverly-hills-waldorf-astoria-reaches-top)

King Kill 'em

Aug 13, 2016, 3:08 AM

Step in the right direction, but the developments that would really benefit from something like this are the smaller "mom-and-pop," type projects that don't have the resources to survive three years of litigation. Unfortunately, it would be very expensive to expand this type of treatment to all projects.

We're not getting too many of those though because our zoning is way too low on most of the city. Imagine if we upzone more single family hoods to allow 2-3 story apartments and allowed those to be fast tracked. Imagine how many units could be built. Imagine how much that could bring down rents. Imagine how much sprawl that could prevent. The environmental and socioeconomic effects would be astronomical. All we need to do is tell NIMBYs no.

Wow I'm proud this was my 1000th post.

BrianMojo

Aug 13, 2016, 3:48 AM

BrianMojo

Aug 13, 2016, 3:51 AM

We're not getting too many of those though because our zoning is way too low on most of the city. Imagine if we upzone more single family hoods to allow 2-3 story apartments and allowed those to be fast tracked. Imagine how many units could be built. Imagine how much that could bring down rents. Imagine how much sprawl that could prevent. The environmental and socioeconomic effects would be astronomical. All we need to do is tell NIMBYs no.

Wow I'm proud this was my 1000th post.

Honestly the zoning was correct on lots of streets throughout LA before Prop U (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_U) went and screwed it all up. If you could reverse Prop U and develop high rises along the main thoroughfares and keep single-family developments in the blocks in between, I think you'd be well on your way to making a city that we could all be proud of.

King Kill 'em

Aug 13, 2016, 4:00 AM

Honestly the zoning was correct on lots of streets throughout LA before Prop U (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_U) went and screwed it all up. If you could reverse Prop U and develop high rises along the main thoroughfares and keep single-family developments in the blocks in between, I think you'd be well on your way to making a city that we could all be proud of.

Well obviously some single family neighborhood that are high up in the hills, historically significant or way far out into the Valley should retain their zoning, but there's single family areas in places like the Fairfax district and studio city that are experiencing a lot of mansionization and have little 1200 ft homes going for close to a million that should be upzoned. Upzoning these single family areas would stop mansionization and provide cheaper housing than that built along major thoroughfares. So we need to both because we need all the housing we can get.

ChargerCarl

Aug 13, 2016, 5:14 AM

blackcat23

Aug 15, 2016, 5:32 PM

Old news here, but I'm finally allowed to publish so...

Renderings revealed for Wilshire at Crescent Heights

http://urbanize.la/sites/default/files/styles/1140w/public/field/image/wilshirecrescentheights.jpg?itok=J8KXCTJr (http://urbanize.la/post/renderings-revealed-mid-wilshire-tower-0)

BrianMojo

Aug 16, 2016, 1:44 AM

Well obviously some single family neighborhood that are high up in the hills, historically significant or way far out into the Valley should retain their zoning, but there's single family areas in places like the Fairfax district and studio city that are experiencing a lot of mansionization and have little 1200 ft homes going for close to a million that should be upzoned. Upzoning these single family areas would stop mansionization and provide cheaper housing than that built along major thoroughfares. So we need to both because we need all the housing we can get.

I'm not sure I get the idea of stopping mansionization by replacing it with giant apartment buildings? Opposition to mansions isn't because they're mansions, it's because they don't match the surrounding vibe. Apartment buildings can do that, but let's be honest, no one is building 2-story 6-plex apartment buildings that fit neighborhood character. For me I'd much rather see thoroughfares rise and neighborhoods stay small, at least for the time being.

ChargerCarl

Aug 16, 2016, 2:51 AM

I'm not sure I get the idea of stopping mansionization by replacing it with giant apartment buildings? Opposition to mansions isn't because they're mansions, it's because they don't match the surrounding vibe. Apartment buildings can do that, but let's be honest, no one is building 2-story 6-plex apartment buildings that fit neighborhood character. For me I'd much rather see thoroughfares rise and neighborhoods stay small, at least for the time being.

Then you're not for affordable housing in the basin.

NSMP

Aug 16, 2016, 3:17 AM

BrianMojo

Aug 16, 2016, 3:21 AM

Then you're not for affordable housing in the basin.

Thanks for dictating what I'm for and against! :tup:

I'd prefer to see multi-unit housing built over commercial storefronts on main thoroughfares, that's my personal opinion. There's an incredible amount of this city that could be done in that style without even beginning to touch single family homes in the basin. I also don't believe that it has to be all or nothing -- there are plenty of neighborhoods where large apartment buildings make sense, and there are plenty where they don't. :shrug:

Anyway, this thread is about development, I'll bow out of any future argument on this issue.

King Kill 'em

Aug 16, 2016, 4:48 AM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/business/dealbook/an-olympic-event-where-1st-prize-is-the-chance-to-lose-billions.html

Article on the delegations for the four candidate cities for the 2024 Olympics. Rome is singled out as being particularly iffy. I read another article a day or two ago where the USOC said the IOC had been particularly wowed by Garcetti. Take it with a grain of salt but given the state of things in Europe, I'd have to think we're positioning ourselves well.

We're lucky we have such a charasmatic mayor!

Also just saw this. Reminded me why LA is perfect for the Olympics. Almost all the venues planned to be use if we get the 2024 games already exist, and all will continue to be used after the games. http://www.techinsider.io/empty-olympic-stadiums-today-athens-sarajevo-beijing-2016-8