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craigs
Jan 25, 2024, 12:12 AM
I'm somewhat surprised to see all the love for Century City on here.
First, you should not be surprised to see forumers on SkyscraperPage.com show some love for skyscrapers. Second, most but not all forumers automatically and relentlessly loathe LA and every single thing related to or located here. Some of us see things in a more positive light--and that's okay. There are still plenty of haters and jaded cynics to keep things eternally sad and unhappy in the LA threads. Third, "urban" is defined as "in, relating to, or characteristic of a town or city." Century City fits that definition.

scania
Jan 25, 2024, 1:17 AM
First, you should not be surprised to see forumers on SkyscraperPage.com show some love for skyscrapers. Second, most but not all forumers automatically and relentlessly loathe LA and every single thing related to or located here. Some of us see things in a more positive light--and that's okay. There are still plenty of haters and jaded cynics to keep things eternally sad and unhappy in the LA threads. Third, "urban" is defined as "in, relating to, or characteristic of a town or city." Century City fits that definition.

Speak the truth!!!!

plinko
Jan 25, 2024, 1:23 AM
I could easily see more mixed use coming to the Santa Monica Blvd area in Century City once the subway is open. There are 5-6 lots with either parking garages or 10-15 story postwar office towers that are prime for redevelopment.

To me Century City is a work in progress. It's certainly getting better. Some forumers talk about it like it's Irvine or Schaumburg esque. Not even close.

On another note entirely, why in the world would they paint 1900 Avenue of the Stars white? That black aluminum facade was so badass...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49448326766_0ce9c9cda2_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ikzAN3)
191015 CENTURY CITY 117 (https://flic.kr/p/2ikzAN3) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49447849778_3ae6a095c7_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ikxa17)
191015 CENTURY CITY 125 (https://flic.kr/p/2ikxa17) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49448550072_cea63bbc71_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ikAKb9)
191015 CENTURY CITY 173 (https://flic.kr/p/2ikAKb9) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

craigs
Jan 25, 2024, 2:09 AM
I could easily see more mixed use coming to the Santa Monica Blvd area in Century City once the subway is open. There are 5-6 lots with either parking garages or 10-15 story postwar office towers that are prime for redevelopment.

To me Century City is a work in progress. It's certainly getting better. Some forumers talk about it like it's Irvine or Schaumburg esque. Not even close.
Agreed. There is always room for improvement, and I expect that Century City will eventually become more pedestrian-friendly after the Metro subway station opens.

On another note entirely, why in the world would they paint 1900 Avenue of the Stars white? That black aluminum facade was so badass...
I didn't notice that change until now! What a bizarre choice. It looked better before.

BrandonJXN
Jan 25, 2024, 3:03 AM
11600 W. Santa Monica Blvd in Sawtelle West Los Angeles. Intersection of Santa Monica Blvd and Federal Ave. For someone who used to live in the area, I am really liking this addition.

https://twitter.com/LA_Construct/status/1749846851560591546

https://la.urbanize.city/post/100-apartments-rise-11600-w-santa-monica-boulevard-sawtelle

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEi0Tdia0AMHz4f?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEi0UNRa0AItmQj?format=jpg&name=medium

I know a girl named Amara. She's a attractive woman. Unlike this building.

LAisthePlace
Jan 25, 2024, 3:32 AM
I know a girl named Amara. She's a attractive woman. Unlike this building.

Can confirm this building is not an attractive woman :tup:

AskMrNoah
Jan 25, 2024, 3:44 AM
Holy crap, it doesn’t even look the same. I didn’t even recognize it with the white paint job.

BrandonJXN
Jan 25, 2024, 3:51 AM
I'm somewhat surprised to see all the love for Century City on here. I have a soft spot for it because of the somewhat retro-futurist vibe, but it's pretty bad urbanism and sterile. I mean, the vast majority of the commercial activity in CC is in a suburban style mall, and the whole site is bordered by massive pedestrian-hostile roads. There are some great individual buildings, but overall I find Century City to be pretty lackluster as an urban place.

I've always loved Century City. I had a job interview at Gateway West (which has since been destroyed for Westfield's expansion) and spent many a day eating Pinkberry and people watching.

Architecture wise, CC has a handsome collection of buildings that are great representations of the era they were built in. I hope the retro-futuristic vibe of Century City never leaves (earthquake as I type this).

I also will always be a fan of how the Century Plaza Towers and 2000 Ave of the Stars (the building with the hole in it) mirror The Century Plaza and the Century Residences. I don't think I've ever seen something such as that anywhere.

colemonkee
Jan 25, 2024, 1:27 PM
What's great about that is that it wasn't in a specific plan for the area, and was the result of two different architectural firms (Gensler for 2000 Ave of the Stars and Pei Cobb Freed for the Century Residences) who made similar - but totally autonomous - decisions nearly 15 years apart from each other, mirroring different buildings. Proof that when you hire good architects (both firms are pretty world renowned), you generally get good results that pay attention to their surroundings.

I also will always be a fan of how the Century Plaza Towers and 2000 Ave of the Stars (the building with the hole in it) mirror The Century Plaza and the Century Residences. I don't think I've ever seen something such as that anywhere.

OneRinconHill
Jan 26, 2024, 5:03 PM
Are the "Twin Towers" still the tallest buildings in Century City? Kind of wild that they've never gone over 571' if so.

sopas ej
Jan 26, 2024, 5:28 PM
I've always loved Century City. I had a job interview at Gateway West (which has since been destroyed for Westfield's expansion) and spent many a day eating Pinkberry and people watching.

Architecture wise, CC has a handsome collection of buildings that are great representations of the era they were built in. I hope the retro-futuristic vibe of Century City never leaves (earthquake as I type this).

I also will always be a fan of how the Century Plaza Towers and 2000 Ave of the Stars (the building with the hole in it) mirror The Century Plaza and the Century Residences. I don't think I've ever seen something such as that anywhere.

I also have a soft spot for Century City. As a kid in the 1970s and early 1980s, I remember when the Century City Mall was more of an ordinary mall---it used to have a Clifton's Cafeteria (which we never ate at). It was also where the first Crate&Barrel I ever went to was as a kid. In the 1990s, when we were both already in our 20s, I would have lunch there sometimes with my sister, who happened to work at Gateway West; we'd meet on her lunch breaks. In the late 1980s-early to mid-1990s, I would see movies there, back at the now-demolished AMC Century 14, which showed indie/arthouse/foreign films. I even saw Dustin Hoffman coming out of the theater one time.

I'm old enough to remember the now demolished ABC Entertainment Center, which was in front of the Twin Towers on Ave. of the Stars.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TusDTl0_uGk/TV5PazRfTrI/AAAAAAAAAkE/TvewBhtmsw8/s1600/TAC4883.jpg


It had its own movie complex, a Cineplex Odeon... My friend and I saw "The Last Temptation of Christ" there. I remember joking with him, saying "I hope Christian protestors don't throw fake blood on us" because it was in the news that that was happening in Orange County, haha! There was also the Shubert Theatre in that complex, which would show all the latest Broadway Musicals---I saw "Les Mis" there back in 1989, and I saw "Mamma Mia" there back in 2001.

And when that complex existed, it was connected to the Century Plaza Hotel by a wide walkway that went under the street. Now that connection is broken. I do like 2000 Ave. of the Stars, though.

Edit: I just learned that that tunnel under Ave. of the Stars has reopened. I guess the last time I was in Century City, I didn't investigate.

Zapatan
Jan 26, 2024, 7:02 PM
Gotta say, this picture is so epic.



https://la.urbanize.city/sites/default/files/styles/2018_article_gallery_image_2000w_watermark/public/2023-12/Century%20City%20Center%20by%20Hunter%20Kerhart%2005.jpg?itok=afqRsLAK

Radio5
Jan 27, 2024, 11:06 PM
Gotta say, this picture is so epic.

Ya, looks like it could be a city in China or Singapore.

llamaorama
Jan 27, 2024, 11:11 PM
1900 Avenue of the Stars

That used to be a cool looking building, now it looks like one of those generic modernist boxes. Like whatever the tallest building in New Orleans is called.

Century City is interesting though. Not very well known but has some cool looking structures.

202_Cyclist
Jan 28, 2024, 12:24 AM
Century City is interesting though. Not very well known but has some cool looking structures.

Well, Galactic had a song about it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uUyoQ8F64G0&pp=ygUUR2FsYXRpYyBjZW50dXJ5IGNpdHk%3D

SoCalKid
Jan 30, 2024, 10:52 PM
All this construction in Century City has shown that Avenue of the Stars can function fine as street with 1-2 lanes in each direction. I'd love to see it skinnied down to that permanently, rather that being restored to a 3-4 lane in each direction mini highway. It would go a long way to making the area feel more walkable.

ocman
Feb 5, 2024, 6:22 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/2bp5r66X/017-20231111-3-Z7-0451.jpg (https://postimg.cc/2bp5r66X)

https://i.postimg.cc/3WTgZrBB/017-20231129-3-Z7-8857.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3WTgZrBB)

https://i.postimg.cc/vDt52R2d/068-20231125-NZ2-8861.jpg (https://postimg.cc/vDt52R2d)

https://i.postimg.cc/BPpZTBCd/135-20231129-3-Z7-9233-2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/BPpZTBCd)

https://i.postimg.cc/N91jMc2G/205-20231129-3-Z7-9513-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/N91jMc2G)



New update from LACMA (https://www.lacma.org/forming-david-geffen-galleries) and interview with Clark Construction. An excerpt from the interview:

So what is the final color and texture that visitors are going to see?

Peter's vision and his style is very much about raw, honest materials. The concrete itself has no additives, no cover up. There's no added color. It's a natural gray concrete color selected from many samples to be the specific tone and texture desired. And what we liked about that is you can see more of the hand of the craftsman in the work. This building is a concrete sculpture and the craftspeople are the artists. We always talk about this “hand of the craftsman.” So you'll see seams, you'll see a fastener or two, and every single line and bump was methodically drawn, detailed, coordinated by Peter’s team in Switzerland, the architecture (SOM) team here, and our concrete partner Largo Concrete. Each one of those is intentionally placed such that you can see the way things fit together.

Have the concrete details changed over time?

Peter is known for having a dynamic vision. He and his team are here at least once a quarter, if not more often, so the craftspeople, carpenters, laborers, cement finishers—they have Peter's trust. I remember a time when, reviewing our final mock-up, he was deciding between incorporating some type of black oxide color additive to this concrete mix or leaving it in its natural color. And Peter said he had originally added the colors because he was worried, but the team had proven that they were some of the best and most capable so he was no longer scared and we do not need the color. He removed the color and made it as natural and honest as it can be, seeing as much of the material as possible.

It's all part of the story, right? One of the things about concrete is that it retains moisture over time. So even all the way up to 500 years later, the moisture content of the concrete will continue to change. Over time, that does mean that the appearance will continue to change and evolve. So while what we see right away is going to be somewhat of an indication of what it will look like at the end of the day, it’s just a part of the story. There's more to go. There's more story coming.





Ugh. I was hoping it would NOT be un-dyed concrete. I wished for the beige concrete of the 2nd interation of renderings. We’ve seen an example of the splotchy discoloration of natural concrete in 6th Street bridge. Unfortunately this will drive even more criticism of it resembling a freeway overpass.

I still have hopes for the interior unless Zumthor threw up his hands and is writing this project off due to the continuous budget restraints (how is that possible with $650M?) thrown at him over what may be his most infamous and challenging project. This quote from Zumthor’s recent NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/arts/design/peter-zumthor-lacma-architect.html) interview gives me a lot of optimism about the project and mollifies his choice of the natural exterior. In fact, Zumthor feels it works because of it:

Zumthor describes the wing as “a concrete sculpture,” with floors, walls and ceilings of exposed concrete. There will be bronze surrounds on the window and door openings throughout the building. When I visited Haldenstein, he and his colleagues were weighing final choices for the color palette of the walls at the base of the new wing, inside the various legs. “Lively, not dark colors, to give identity to different spaces,” he said. “And then you come up into this world of concrete.”

The gallery level will include 26 so-called Core Galleries, Zumthor said, “each one with a particular color. The Pompeian red gallery, or the indigo gallery.”



Also, I still think it was a mistake to get rid of the cathedral spaces.

Illithid Dude
Feb 5, 2024, 9:34 AM
Looks as bad as everyone thought it would

SoCalKid
Feb 5, 2024, 10:54 PM
I may be in the minority here, but I prefer un-dyed concrete so long as it is of high quality and grade.

O-tacular
Feb 5, 2024, 11:35 PM
I don't mind the bare concrete. Kind of a throw back to brutalism. Pouring that roof is quite a feat!

dax_gray
Feb 5, 2024, 11:43 PM
Wow, I have to say that I'm incredibly disappointed. Was really hoping that there would be some tiling over that concrete. Really not a fan of exposed concrete as it makes the project look dull and unfinished. Does not look good on Wrapper, and judging by the images posted, it does not look good here also.

LosAngelesSportsFan
Feb 5, 2024, 11:54 PM
Even more disappointing than i expected

FromSD
Feb 6, 2024, 12:55 AM
Even more disappointing than i expected

I agree. I always thought the design was a bit plain, but the darker colored materials might have lent it a certain elegance. Instead LA gets what amounts to a $750 million freeway overpass. And what happens when all the soot from the heavy traffic on Wilshire Blvd. starts to stain the unadorned concrete? Will they be out there power washing the underside of the museum on a regular basis.

And all this for gallery space that is actually smaller than the galleries from the '60s and '80s that were unceremoniously torn down. I think it's odd that the LACMA board decided that it was a good use of funds to tear down the Robert O. Anderson Building for 20th-century art that only opened in 1986. Even the 3 original Pereira buildings from the mid-'60s could have been renovated, just like they renovated the '60s era Music Center downtown. I imagine that the LACMA board thought that it was better to start with a clean slate. But it really isn't a clean slate because the more recent Renzo Piano galleries are still in the picture, and in my mind those blocky buildings don't mesh well with the blob-like Zumthor gallery.

In the linked NY Times article, Zumthor is pretty candid about how cost cutting really robbed his new galleries of the details he included in his original design. Cost overruns because of difficult soil conditions meant that it was necessary to cut back. Zumthor accepts this because it was either make these sacrifices or have LA County cancel the project altogether. But was that really the only alternative? The Pereira and Anderson galleries were already gone, so cancelling the project altogether couldn't have been a realistic option. Why not go back to the donors and get more money? That's what they had to do with Gehry's Disney Hall, over and over again. But instead we're going to get a stripped down version of Zumthor's original design, a design that was not universally acclaimed to begin with.

Radio5
Feb 6, 2024, 3:43 AM
Looks like the world cup is back on for LA. What a bummer that would have been. 2026 - world cup, 2027 - super bowl, 2028 - Olympics. Not too shabby!

https://www.lafc.com/news/los-angeles-awarded-eight-total-matches-and-u-s-men-s-national-team-opening-matc

ocman
Feb 6, 2024, 4:01 AM
Why not go back to the donors and get more money? That's what they had to do with Gehry's Disney Hall, over and over again. But instead we're going to get a stripped down version of Zumthor's original design, a design that was not universally acclaimed to begin with.

The more time passes, the more expensive it gets. WIth inflation, they’d just be chasing dollars forever. Kind of like how everyone in California is saving for a house, but the prices just keep getting away from them. The goal post keeps moving further back.

ocman
Feb 6, 2024, 4:06 AM
Looks like the world cup is back on for LA. What a bummer that would have been. 2026 - world cup, 2027 - super bowl, 2028 - Olympics. Not too shabby!

https://www.lafc.com/news/los-angeles-awarded-eight-total-matches-and-u-s-men-s-national-team-opening-matc

How is it that an owner overlooked building his stadium to accomodate a sport he’s an owner in (Arsenal)? Lame.

craigs
Feb 6, 2024, 4:15 AM
Looks like the world cup is back on for LA. What a bummer that would have been. 2026 - world cup, 2027 - super bowl, 2028 - Olympics. Not too shabby!

https://www.lafc.com/news/los-angeles-awarded-eight-total-matches-and-u-s-men-s-national-team-opening-matc
Dude, this is an LA thread--that means unrelenting, compulsive, and exclusive negativity is mandatory. Your post is unacceptably upbeat and positive. That is not how we post about Los Angeles on this forum, sir! Now find a displeasing, depressing, or maddening aspect to justify denouncing LA hosting FiFA!

Here, let me help. Perhaps you can post . . . "Oh, great. Just what we needed, on top of everything else that sucks about this miserable dumpster fire of a "city." As predicted, now traffic is going to be even worse than usual thanks to FiFA. Can someone just drop a bunch of nuclear bombs on Los Angeles already and put us out of our misery? Irradiated, scorched earth would be infinitely more appealing than this hideous shithole. #FuckMyCity!"

ChelseaFC
Feb 8, 2024, 8:49 PM
$5 billion One Beverly Hills project breaks ground with expected opening in 2028

https://www.latimes.com/business/real-estate/story/2024-02-08/work-begins-on-transformative-condo-and-hotel-development-in-beverly-hills

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/611c906/2147483647/strip/true/crop/5005x2819+0+0/resize/1200x676!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Faa%2Fb0%2F149e6da84d2780699156cab64551%2Fla-me-one-beverly-hills-handouts-4.JPG

LosAngelesSportsFan
Feb 9, 2024, 5:32 AM
Massive news. Gonna be great once it's done

NIMBY Slayer
Feb 9, 2024, 5:21 PM
$5 billion One Beverly Hills project breaks ground with expected opening in 2028

https://www.latimes.com/business/real-estate/story/2024-02-08/work-begins-on-transformative-condo-and-hotel-development-in-beverly-hills

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/611c906/2147483647/strip/true/crop/5005x2819+0+0/resize/1200x676!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Faa%2Fb0%2F149e6da84d2780699156cab64551%2Fla-me-one-beverly-hills-handouts-4.JPG

Ugh, they redesigned it. I like the original design better. It had a more hanging gardens of Babylon vibe. It looks watered down now, especially the low rise structures.

LAsam
Feb 9, 2024, 5:42 PM
^ I think it looks fine. The original rendering looks more like a fairy tale, this looks more realistic. It's $5B so I'm sure it will have a premium appearance when completed. I'm just curious to know how they got this financed!

Zapatan
Feb 9, 2024, 11:38 PM
Ugh, they redesigned it. I like the original design better. It had a more hanging gardens of Babylon vibe. It looks watered down now, especially the low rise structures.


Still a cool project, how does it cost $5B though?

We could build a Burj Khalifa in LA for that price. The city is overdue for another real supertall.

Illithid Dude
Feb 9, 2024, 11:43 PM
Ugh, they redesigned it. I like the original design better. It had a more hanging gardens of Babylon vibe. It looks watered down now, especially the low rise structures.

That's not a redesign. That's the Santa Monica Blvd entrance. We were being shown the Wilshire entrance before.

clubtokyo
Feb 10, 2024, 2:05 AM
5 billion? That's wild.

Altoic
Feb 10, 2024, 2:15 AM
https://la.urbanize.city/sites/default/files/styles/struct_data_1x1/public/One%20Beverly%20Hills%20Aerial%20View.jpg?itok=TjlV2CNC

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/13bdd62/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2500x1531+0+0/resize/1200x735!/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F69%2F65%2F3de3d07a47b1b0a3ac2f95d4de18%2Fcredit-foster-partners-obh-overall.jpg

I like the new design, looks cleaner.

Jhanson312
Feb 10, 2024, 2:51 AM
https://la.urbanize.city/sites/default/files/styles/struct_data_1x1/public/One%20Beverly%20Hills%20Aerial%20View.jpg?itok=TjlV2CNC

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/13bdd62/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2500x1531+0+0/resize/1200x735!/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F69%2F65%2F3de3d07a47b1b0a3ac2f95d4de18%2Fcredit-foster-partners-obh-overall.jpg

I like the new design, looks cleaner.

The new design is 100% a downgrade. It went from being a unique set of Zaza Hadid-esque high-rises that are only seen in world class cities to generic modern buildings with a small amount of greenery.

plinko
Feb 10, 2024, 3:02 AM
^Agreed. It could have been LA's Bosco Verticale. Now it just looks so...uninspired.

craigs
Feb 10, 2024, 3:24 AM
Oh, great. Just what we needed, on top of everything else that sucks about this miserable dumpster fire of a "city." As predicted, the initial renderings were better than the new renderings. This project is already a complete and total failure. Just drop a nuclear bomb on the project after completion and put us out of our misery. Irradiated, scorched earth would be infinitely more appealing than this hideous, sickening redesign. #FuckMyCity

Altoic
Feb 10, 2024, 4:00 AM
Oh, great. Just what we needed, on top of everything else that sucks about this miserable dumpster fire of a "city." As predicted, the initial renderings were better than the new renderings. This project is already a complete and total failure. Just drop a nuclear bomb on the project after completion and put us out of our misery. Irradiated, scorched earth would be infinitely more appealing than this hideous, sickening redesign. #FuckMyCity

It's really hard to tell with you if you're being sarcastic :haha:

Edit: went over my head I didn't even read "irradiated, scorched earth would be infintely more appealing" definitely sarcastic :)

clubtokyo
Feb 10, 2024, 4:57 AM
Obvi I don't live in LA, and I think the design is fine. I am just curious how is this a 5B project? Will the condos just be super high quality?

Jhanson312
Feb 10, 2024, 5:30 AM
In short, yes. The condos (only 200 units) will most likely be built with over-the-top amenities and the most opulent finishes money can buy. Prices aren’t set yet, but I expect them to list in the $10m+ range. The project will also be home to a new Aman Hotel which is arguably the most expensive and exclusive luxury resort chain in the world. The Condos will be branded and have all the same amenities as Aman.
Obvi I don't live in LA, and I think the design is fine. I am just curious how is this a 5B project? Will the condos just be super high quality?

clubtokyo
Feb 10, 2024, 11:37 PM
Cool! Thanks for the details!

NIMBY Slayer
Feb 12, 2024, 6:11 PM
That's not a redesign. That's the Santa Monica Blvd entrance. We were being shown the Wilshire entrance before.

Not sure what you mean? The 2 towers and the mid-rise hotel look different than the previous renderings. That low rise structure with the garden canopy between the new mid-rise hotel and the Beverly Hilton is completely different and way less inspired looking. As I said it had a more organic Babylon inspired look, now it's watered down. :shrug:

edale
Feb 13, 2024, 4:33 PM
Less than 200 units of housing, 75 hotel suites, 30,000 square feet of commercial space and....1900 parking spaces. :uhh:

LAsam
Feb 13, 2024, 6:03 PM
Less than 200 units of housing, 75 hotel suites, 30,000 square feet of commercial space and....1900 parking spaces. :uhh:

Maybe the parking will be utilized for the adjacent Beverly Hilton and Waldorf hotels as well?

edale
Feb 13, 2024, 6:27 PM
Maybe the parking will be utilized for the adjacent Beverly Hilton and Waldorf hotels as well?

Even so, that's an absurd amount of parking. This is a cool project, but it's a vanity one for sure. 5 billion dollars to build >200 units of housing, >100 hotel rooms, 1900 parking spots and a small amount of retail. Oh, and some gardens that will only be partly accessible to the public. Yay for more tall buildings, but this project seems like pretty poor land use to me.

homebucket
Feb 13, 2024, 6:38 PM
It's a lot of parking for sure, but I think most of the condo residents, hotel guests, and members of the a 100k sq ft private club here will be driving to/from this location. It's not a very pedestrian friendly area (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NGy6mjmheeZboEzcA) (one side doesn't even have sidewalks (https://maps.app.goo.gl/fzXEjkFiq8dzsdvY6)) and I can't imagine a lot of people from the adjacent neighborhoods (https://maps.app.goo.gl/gPzUVYanDwiZQaPp9) walking here as well. Given the $5 billion ultra luxury branding of this project, I suspect the vast majority of the clientele isn't riding the bus, and this project is a good 15-20 min walk from the future D Line stations at Century City/Constellation and Wilshire/Rodeo. If they are members of the club, they will likely drive there in their luxury cars.

Edit: It looks like they do plan to create new bike lanes and walkways that better integrate the publicly accessible gardens and shops with the surrounding neighborhoods. I'm not sure how many people routinely walk or bike in this area, but at least they are recognizing a need to make improvements. Although by providing 1900 parking spaces, I'm guessing they still anticipate the majority of people to be accessing this site by private vehicle.

LA21st
Feb 14, 2024, 3:45 PM
It's a lot of parking for sure, but I think most of the condo residents, hotel guests, and members of the a 100k sq ft private club here will be driving to/from this location. It's not a very pedestrian friendly area (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NGy6mjmheeZboEzcA) (one side doesn't even have sidewalks (https://maps.app.goo.gl/fzXEjkFiq8dzsdvY6)) and I can't imagine a lot of people from the adjacent neighborhoods (https://maps.app.goo.gl/gPzUVYanDwiZQaPp9) walking here as well. Given the $5 billion ultra luxury branding of this project, I suspect the vast majority of the clientele isn't riding the bus, and this project is a good 15-20 min walk from the future D Line stations at Century City/Constellation and Wilshire/Rodeo. If they are members of the club, they will likely drive there in their luxury cars.

Edit: It looks like they do plan to create new bike lanes and walkways that better integrate the publicly accessible gardens and shops with the surrounding neighborhoods. I'm not sure how many people routinely walk or bike in this area, but at least they are recognizing a need to make improvements. Although by providing 1900 parking spaces, I'm guessing they still anticipate the majority of people to be accessing this site by private vehicle.

I disagree. Its across Santa Monica blvd from Little Santa Monica Blvd, which is walkable/urban to Century City. I used to work nearby. Its a pleasant walk.https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0663742,-118.4105293,3a,75y,270h,89.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVgYb5FZWMql7ujgMfZ976A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0651396,-118.4123261,3a,75y,270h,89.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBNr7hBcvHNIJdx6yWvYZzg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu



And its in walking distance from the Golden Triangle. Really acfross the street.

homebucket
Feb 14, 2024, 4:42 PM
I disagree. Its across Santa Monica blvd from Little Santa Monica Blvd, which is walkable/urban to Century City. I used to work nearby. Its a pleasant walk.https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0663742,-118.4105293,3a,75y,270h,89.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVgYb5FZWMql7ujgMfZ976A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

And its in walking distance from the Golden Triangle. Really acfross the street.

That looks like a pretty nice street (although a little too wide for my tastes with 4 lanes of traffic + 2 parking lanes, ideally you'd like to see that reduced to 2 lanes of traffic + 2 parking lanes). But I was more referring to the street directly next to the project, seen here (https://maps.app.goo.gl/7AMGbk6SUd2HH6nX7). As you can see, one side of the street doesn't even have a sidewalk, so pedestrians here have to walk through a surface parking lot, and the other side is loading docks and driveways. I'm sure the developers saw this, which is why they plan to make new bike lanes and walkways, to increase accessibility for pedestrians and cyclists, and I can't say I disagree with that plan.

LA21st
Feb 14, 2024, 4:54 PM
That looks like a pretty nice street (although a little too wide for my tastes with 4 lanes of traffic + 2 parking lanes, ideally you'd like to see that reduced to 2 lanes of traffic + 2 parking lanes). But I was more referring to the street directly next to the project, seen here (https://maps.app.goo.gl/7AMGbk6SUd2HH6nX7). As you can see, one side of the street doesn't even have a sidewalk, so pedestrians here have to walk through a surface parking lot, and the other side is loading docks and driveways. I'm sure the developers saw this, which is why they plan to make new bike lanes and walkways, to increase accessibility for pedestrians and cyclists, and I can't say I disagree with that plan.

Sure, but that lot is rare exception to the business district of Beverly hills. Its very walkable on many streets. Its one of the most walkable "luxury" neighborhoods in America really.

homebucket
Feb 14, 2024, 5:00 PM
Sure, but that lot is rare exception to the business district of Beverly hills. Its very walkable on many streets. Its one of the most walkable "luxury" neighborhoods in America really.

Right. Anyway, I think even though there's a lot of parking included for this rather exclusive site, it's good the developers are trying to find ways to improve connectivity with the rest of the existing community with publicly accessible gardens and open space. They could've easily decided to wall it off and make it for private use only, unless there is some city regulation that makes it mandatory for every project of this size to include some sort of public open space.

Jordan de California
Feb 14, 2024, 7:03 PM
Key takeaway from the last several pages of this thread:

https://i.postimg.cc/Zn3cyWdv/Screenshot-2024-02-14-105652.png

Quixote
Feb 14, 2024, 8:27 PM
^ This is why I try my hardest not to get excited about a rendering. If it ever breaks ground, I then wait until a good amount of facade treatments are in place before making my initial assessment.

Illithid Dude
Feb 14, 2024, 11:49 PM
It looks to be like the organic balconies were designed before floor plans were finalized. Now they've figured out the floor plans and have arranged the balconies accordingly. I think this is going to be a great looking project. It's hard to make the claim that a project is being value engineered when it is costing an astronomical five billion dollars. My only gripe is that the HVAC enclosures on the roofs aren't curved like they were in the original renderings, though it's not like the average pedestrian is going to be able to see those anyways.

EDIT: I also prefer how the new design iteration defers to the Beverly Hilton more. I prefer the added space between buildings, allowing the iconic midcentury design of the Hilton room to breathe.

a9l8e7n
Mar 19, 2024, 3:52 PM
Via Avanti Complex adjacent to Sherman Oaks Galleria. Very noticeable amount of work above This is going to be a great addition to the area.

https://twitter.com/LA_Construct/status/1770114445060210841

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJC1kZ6aQAAVBIs?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJC1mChawAAjf08?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJC1oEFaYAAMhf-?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJC1rgjawAAdri-?format=jpg&name=medium

https://la.urbanize.city/post/avanti-cleared-construction-4827-sepulveda-sherman-oaks

LAsam
Mar 19, 2024, 4:20 PM
^ Thanks for the update. Don't get to The Valley very often so it's nice to see what's being developed up there.

bobbyv
Mar 20, 2024, 4:27 PM
https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/8148c2b/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3000x2208+0+0/resize/1024x753!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F11%2F1e%2F473d6aab4f66a77249425206d160%2Fstar-sunsetblvd-ext14-lookingup-240210.jpg

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/1c140b5/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2100x1400+0+0/resize/1024x683!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F9a%2F7d%2Ffc6af6d349699d28fb2183f51bf6%2Fstar-sunsetblvd-ext08-streeteast-240305.jpg

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/0499300/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2100x1365+0+0/resize/1024x666!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F92%2F67%2Fec69e41647e7b49da084aa2c6a51%2Fstar-sunsetblvd-terrace-b1.jpg

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-03-20/billion-office-tower-planned-for-hollywood-gets-a-new-design

a9l8e7n
Mar 20, 2024, 5:01 PM
14130 Riverside Drive (Citrus Commons) in Sherman Oaks, CA at former Sunkist HQ. In final stages!

https://twitter.com/LA_Construct/status/1770494424059154489

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJIPEj-bQAANobw?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJIPFsna4AA_H-m?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJIPG0Xa4AA4AX0?format=jpg&name=medium

https://la.urbanize.city/post/excavation-completed-citrus-commons-complex-sherman-oaks

scania
Mar 20, 2024, 5:03 PM
https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/8148c2b/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3000x2208+0+0/resize/1024x753!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F11%2F1e%2F473d6aab4f66a77249425206d160%2Fstar-sunsetblvd-ext14-lookingup-240210.jpg

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/1c140b5/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2100x1400+0+0/resize/1024x683!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F9a%2F7d%2Ffc6af6d349699d28fb2183f51bf6%2Fstar-sunsetblvd-ext08-streeteast-240305.jpg

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/0499300/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2100x1365+0+0/resize/1024x666!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F92%2F67%2Fec69e41647e7b49da084aa2c6a51%2Fstar-sunsetblvd-terrace-b1.jpg

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-03-20/billion-office-tower-planned-for-hollywood-gets-a-new-design

That's really cool looking!!!

craigs
Mar 20, 2024, 9:07 PM
Oops

craigs
Mar 20, 2024, 9:14 PM
More details from the article:


A cylindrical 22 story, 525,000 square foot tower.

A pathway will loop around the tower, accessible from Sunset Boulevard on both sides of the building.

A lower structure next to the tower would be wrapped with an expansive LED video screen showing digital art and images generated by tenants.

The proposal calls for restaurants, entertainment production space, a theater and exhibition space for art shows and other events on the Star’s ground level.

Parking for nearly 1,300 vehicles would be underground.

Miracle hopes to start work on the 525,000-square-foot building by late 2026 and open its doors in 2029.

The Star is the first commercial development for Miracle, who is known for building deluxe single-family properties.

craigs
Mar 20, 2024, 9:14 PM
REMEMBER: Don't fall in love with initial renderings like these or expect the building to look precisely and exactly like this. If this building even happens--and there's no guarantee it will--there will be a divergence from the renderings. Accept that inevitability and you can avoid the usual anger and extreme bitterness at reality that comes from falling in love with luscious renderings intended to sell the project.

Office tower planned for Hollywood gets new design and billion-dollar price tag (https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-03-20/billion-office-tower-planned-for-hollywood-gets-a-new-design)

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/e104f4c/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3000x2208+0+0/resize/1200x883!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F11%2F1e%2F473d6aab4f66a77249425206d160%2Fstar-sunsetblvd-ext14-lookingup-240210.jpg
A rendering of the Star, a proposed 22-story office building in Hollywood, designed by Norman Foster. (Foster + Partners)

Roger Vincent
Los Angeles Times
March 20, 2024

At a time when office landlords are struggling to attract and keep tenants, a Hollywood real estate developer is forging ahead with plans for a visually arresting high-rise on Sunset Boulevard that would cater to the entertainment industry.

The owner of the property at 6601 Sunset, Los Angeles investor and developer Maggie Miracle, has doubled down on an earlier $500-million proposal for the site near Gower Street with a $1-billion greenery-laden “vertical campus” designed by esteemed English architect Norman Foster.

Miracle’s family-run company on Tuesday submitted to the city revised design plans for the office tower, which has been dubbed “the Star.” Renderings show a cylindrical high-rise stitched with colorful gardens spiraling from street to roof. A rooftop restaurant will be open to the public.
. . . .

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/5238394/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2100x1400+0+0/resize/1200x800!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F9a%2F7d%2Ffc6af6d349699d28fb2183f51bf6%2Fstar-sunsetblvd-ext08-streeteast-240305.jpg
A rendering of the building, looking east on Sunset Boulevard. (Foster + Partners)

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/bdef34b/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2100x1365+0+0/resize/1200x780!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F92%2F67%2Fec69e41647e7b49da084aa2c6a51%2Fstar-sunsetblvd-terrace-b1.jpg
Plans for the Star office building in Hollywood call for landscaped outdoor terraces serving tenants on each floor. (Foster + Partners)

citywatch
Apr 3, 2024, 6:41 PM
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craigs
Apr 4, 2024, 4:54 AM
Historic Sportsmen’s Lodge hotel may be demolished for 520-unit apartment complex (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-04-03/historic-sportsmens-lodge-hotel-may-be-demolished-for-520-unit-apartment-complex)

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/bfa3426/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2128x1276+0+0/resize/1200x720!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F06%2F9f%2F8b04cd02488e96fec9b6cdf235ee%2F02-residences.png
A rendering of the proposed residential building that would replace the Sportsmen’s Lodge hotel. (Marmol Radziner)

Jenna Peterson
Los Angeles Times
April 3, 2024

The historic Sportsmen’s Lodge in Studio City could be demolished to make way for a 520-unit residential complex and mixed-used development if the Los Angeles City Council approves the project Wednesday. Proponents of the development say it would bring much-needed affordable housing that would enable workers to live closer to their jobs. Opponents say the developers have not sufficiently weighed the project’s effects and that it would erase an important piece of history.

The Sportsmen’s Lodge hotel permanently closed when the COVID-19 pandemic began. Now, the only active part of the property is the neighboring Shops at Sportsmen’s Lodge, which opened in 2021 with retailers including grocery chain Erewhon and the sustainable clothing and shoe store Allbirds. The lodge’s event center was demolished to make room for the shops.

In addition to the 520 apartment units, 78 of which would be set aside for low-income tenants, the project would include 46,000 square feet of commercial space. The design would also include a bike and pedestrian path along the L.A. River.
. . . .

Illithid Dude
Apr 4, 2024, 5:31 AM
Saddened by the loss of Sportsman's Lodge, but the architecture on this is about as good as it gets for LA.

badrunner
Apr 4, 2024, 2:00 PM
REMEMBER: Don't fall in love with initial renderings like these or expect the building to look precisely and exactly like this. If this building even happens--and there's no guarantee it will--there will be a divergence from the renderings. Accept that inevitability and you can avoid the usual anger and extreme bitterness at reality that comes from falling in love with luscious renderings intended to sell the project.

Office tower planned for Hollywood gets new design and billion-dollar price tag (https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-03-20/billion-office-tower-planned-for-hollywood-gets-a-new-design)

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/e104f4c/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3000x2208+0+0/resize/1200x883!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F11%2F1e%2F473d6aab4f66a77249425206d160%2Fstar-sunsetblvd-ext14-lookingup-240210.jpg
A rendering of the Star, a proposed 22-story office building in Hollywood, designed by Norman Foster. (Foster + Partners)


RIP to The Star version 1.0. We hardly knew ye. Oh well. The new design is nice, and double the price tag!

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/c9a5b3c/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4421x5000+0+0/resize/840x950!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F19%2F03%2F110cec05401882276a3c14d11421%2Fmad-the-star-hollywood-1.jpg

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-09-16/hollywood-high-rise-office-with-rooftop-restaurant-planned

craigs
Apr 4, 2024, 9:04 PM
Studio owners revise plans for $1-billion update of historic Television City (https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-04-04/studio-owners-revise-plans-for-1-billion-update-of-historic-television-city)

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/fa3f9ab/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4324x2778+0+0/resize/1200x771!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fed%2F08%2F10c5a88b428d833cb57b352ab23f%2Fla-me-television-city-001.jpg
The main entrance to Television City on Beverly Boulevard at Genesee Avenue as proposed by studio owner Hackman Capital Partners. (Courtesy of Foster + Partners and Television City)

Roger Vincent
Los Angeles Times
April 4, 2024

The owners of Television City have scaled back their plans to enlarge and modernize the landmark Los Angeles studio where CBS began making shows to broadcast nationwide at the dawn of the television age.

Formerly known as CBS Television City, the studio sits next to popular tourist attractions the Original Farmers Market and the Grove shopping center in the Fairfax district where it has been operating since 1952 as a factory for such hit shows as “All in the Family,” “Sonny and Cher” and “American Idol.”

CBS sold the famous studio for $750 million in 2019 to Hackman Capital Partners, one of the world’s largest movie lot owners and operators. CBS continues to occupy Television City as a tenant.

. . . .

There's a lot more. Read the rest here (https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-04-04/studio-owners-revise-plans-for-1-billion-update-of-historic-television-city).

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/f229b58/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4328x2813+0+0/resize/1200x780!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbe%2F8c%2F5eba48f44f248aac8e68fb9ef5ad%2Fla-me-television-city-003.jpg
An architect’s rendering of the planned office and production space at Television City, an entertainment studio in the Fairfax district of Los Angeles. (Courtesy of Foster + Partners and Television City)

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An architect’s rendering of plans for Television City. (Courtesy of Foster + Partners and Television City)

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/4ac7064/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4317x3125+0+0/resize/1200x869!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F2d%2F3f%2F31cb19c745feb120ec02dc893d65%2Fla-me-television-city-005.jpg
A rendering of the entrance to the planned mobility hub on Fairfax Avenue where shuttle buses from a nearby subway station would come and go. (Courtesy of Foster + Partners and Television City)

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The signature red awning at Television City as seen from Beverly Boulevard. (Courtesy of Foster + Partners and Television City)

. . . .

Illithid Dude
Apr 5, 2024, 4:20 PM
I think this is a much better plan. I'm always surprised when a project becomes better, not worse with iteration.

LA21st
Apr 5, 2024, 4:53 PM
That whole part of LA could change quite a bit this decade.

There's signifigant proposals around Wilshire/Fairfax and Wilshire/La Cienega/east Beverly Hills. and the Beverly Center/Cedars area too.

LosAngelesSportsFan
Apr 5, 2024, 8:39 PM
It looks very good to me. That entire area between Hollywood to West Hollywood to Mid City is really on the brink of a massive improvement.

Quixote
Apr 6, 2024, 4:05 AM
From the LAT article:

On Fairfax Avenue, where pedestrians now pass by a fenced parking lot, there would be shops and restaurants serving the public on the ground floor of office buildings that could be reached only from inside the lot.

The separation is part of the balancing act Hackman Capital is attempting to make Television City feel more friendly to the neighborhood while retaining the security and exclusivity of a closed campus that appeals to celebrities and others who make movies and television shows.

This is unfortunate.

Radio5
Apr 6, 2024, 11:14 PM
From the LAT article:



This is unfortunate.

How does that even make sense when you have street fronting cafes that are not behind a gate? Unless this means there's more retail that is behind the gate?

craigs
Apr 6, 2024, 11:22 PM
How does that even make sense when you have street fronting cafes that are not behind a gate? Unless this means there's more retail that is behind the gate?
I don't know for certain, but I think it means that street-facing retail will have no back doors that could provide access to the interior of the complex.

LosAngelesSportsFan
Apr 7, 2024, 2:23 AM
From the LAT article:



This is unfortunate.

I think it's saying the office buildings are only accessible from inside the gate however, the retail is accessibile to the public and the street

Radio5
Apr 7, 2024, 1:29 PM
I think it's saying the office buildings are only accessible from inside the gate however, the retail is accessibile to the public and the street

That makes much more sense. No business is going to set up shop on Fairfax where the public can't access it from Fairfax. Phew!

colemonkee
Apr 7, 2024, 6:27 PM
Re-read that line again, people. It says quite explicitly that the ground floor retail will only be accessible from inside the complex, not the street.

craigs
Apr 7, 2024, 8:37 PM
Re-read that line again, people. It says quite explicitly that the ground floor retail will only be accessible from inside the complex, not the street.
The wording of one paragraph is ambiguous, but I think the subsequent paragraph about the "balancing act" of retaining security while making Television City more neighborhood-friendly clears up the ambiguity. Taken together, I read the following two paragraphs as saying: There will be shops and restaurants serving the public on Fairfax; the restaurants and shops will be on the ground floor of office buildings; the office buildings themselves will be accessible only from inside the lot.

On Fairfax Avenue, where pedestrians now pass by a fenced parking lot, there would be shops and restaurants serving the public on the ground floor of office buildings that could be reached only from inside the lot.

The separation is part of the balancing act Hackman Capital is attempting to make Television City feel more friendly to the neighborhood while retaining the security and exclusivity of a closed campus that appeals to celebrities and others who make movies and television shows.

Easy
Apr 7, 2024, 10:05 PM
The wording of one paragraph is ambiguous, but I think the subsequent paragraph about the "balancing act" of retaining security while making Television City more neighborhood-friendly clears up the ambiguity. Taken together, I read the following two paragraphs as saying: There will be shops and restaurants serving the public on Fairfax; the restaurants and shops will be on the ground floor of office buildings; the office buildings themselves will be accessible only from inside the lot.

On Fairfax Avenue, where pedestrians now pass by a fenced parking lot, there would be shops and restaurants serving the public on the ground floor of office buildings that could be reached only from inside the lot.

The separation is part of the balancing act Hackman Capital is attempting to make Television City feel more friendly to the neighborhood while retaining the security and exclusivity of a closed campus that appeals to celebrities and others who make movies and television shows.

I don't see anything in the revised plans about the shops being publicly accessible. It's confusing because they frequently use the term "pedestrian" when describing access and entry and that can be confused with "public" and I think that's what happened. The LA Times maybe thought that the entrances were public but they're really just pedestrian entrances. The amount of retail hasn't even changed, still 20,000 sq ft.

craigs
Apr 7, 2024, 10:24 PM
I don't see anything in the revised plans about the shops being publicly accessible. It's confusing because they frequently use the term "pedestrian" when describing access and entry and that can be confused with "public" and I think that's what happened. The LA Times maybe thought that the entrances were public but they're really just pedestrian entrances. The amount of retail hasn't even changed, still 20,000 sq ft.

Like I said, the way I read the article and the way I see the accompanying rendering below, I think the plan is to have shops and restaurants that the public can access directly from Fairfax--yes, by foot--but the public will not be able to access the offices above those shops and restaurants, nor the soundstages and such within the gated areas inside the complex.

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/4ac7064/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4317x3125+0+0/resize/1200x869!/format/webp/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F2d%2F3f%2F31cb19c745feb120ec02dc893d65%2Fla-me-television-city-005.jpg

badrunner
Apr 8, 2024, 3:57 PM
Looks like there is public accessible retail at the Beverly entrance as well. And reading that quote again, it says there will be shops and restaurants serving the public ON Fairfax. That's exactly what the rendering shows.

ChelseaFC
Apr 8, 2024, 8:31 PM
What kind of business would take out a lease like that where their traffic is limited by the amount of activity taking place on the office campus on any given day? And most workers are M-F, so the businesses would voluntarily choose to lose out on revenue from the public on weekends while paying a premium lease cost? None of that makes much sense so I have to imagine a decent amount would be open to the public, similar to the businesses in the Playa Vista office park.

craigs
Apr 8, 2024, 9:45 PM
What kind of business would take out a lease like that where their traffic is limited by the amount of activity taking place on the office campus on any given day? And most workers are M-F, so the businesses would voluntarily choose to lose out on revenue from the public on weekends while paying a premium lease cost? None of that makes much sense so I have to imagine a decent amount would be open to the public, similar to the businesses in the Playa Vista office park.
Also, if we read the two paragraphs from the article re-quoted below as meaning that there will be no public access to the shops and restaurants on the perimeter of the complex, then what exactly is the "balancing act" between making the project neighborhood-friendly while retaining security for filming inside the gates? What is getting "balanced" if we read the following to mean "access only from within the security gates and not from the street?

On Fairfax Avenue, where pedestrians now pass by a fenced parking lot, there would be shops and restaurants serving the public on the ground floor of office buildings that could be reached only from inside the lot.

The separation is part of the balancing act Hackman Capital is attempting to make Television City feel more friendly to the neighborhood while retaining the security and exclusivity of a closed campus that appeals to celebrities and others who make movies and television shows.

Illithid Dude
Apr 9, 2024, 7:21 PM
Just an update: the new office tower in Century City is already up about ten floors, and it looks like curtain wall instillation is about to begin

LA21st
Apr 9, 2024, 7:26 PM
Just an update: the new office tower in Century City is already up about ten floors, and it looks like curtain wall instillation is about to begin

Oh wow. I didnt know it was that far long.

Illithid Dude
Apr 9, 2024, 8:07 PM
I didn't either until I drove by. The project already has quite the imposing effect on the surrounding area.

Zapatan
Apr 9, 2024, 11:26 PM
Can someone in LA shoot a picture of it when they get the chance?

Thanks :cool:

LAisthePlace
Apr 10, 2024, 4:17 AM
Can someone in LA shoot a picture of it when they get the chance?

Thanks :cool:

Heading over to Century City this weekend. I will try to get a shot!

HusBy
Apr 10, 2024, 5:29 PM
Heading over to Century City this weekend. I will try to get a shot!

Was surprised by it on Monday - it's very prominently placed! Can also try to get a shot next Monday.

plinko
Apr 10, 2024, 8:30 PM
I should be down there on Sunday and will see what I can get.

Illithid Dude
Apr 11, 2024, 12:05 AM
LACMA is pretty far along as well. They are installing the windows.

hughfb3
Apr 15, 2024, 5:46 AM
The newly named CAA building in century city. I wasn't aware how far along this project is.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53655310330_4dc95a450f_k.jpg

1800 Ave of Stars reskin is complete. We lost its twin to Westfield's Eataly/Equinox wing. Also, not pictured is its taller next door neighbor 1900 Ave of Stars which is also under a reskin/renovation. That's 3 black/dark colored buildings in CC either whitened or demolished... umm... times a change, but are we really white washing high rises now?? jokes... but not really.


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Speaking of whitewashing... I dont know if these pictures will do it justice but Inglewood's Hollywood park apartments are among the highest quality I've seen on a 5-over1 type 3 wood frame apartment construction. Simple, clean... I really wish more wood frame apartment buildings look like this when they go for modern California instead of the trash we often get in LA. It doesn't seem like this is that much more costly to look this good.

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Look at how they hid this stairwell
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plinko
Apr 15, 2024, 10:53 AM
I snapped a few shots of CAA this afternoon today too. You can actually see the crane from the 405. Hit Century City about 30 minutes after the rain stopped and was rewarded with some amazing skies...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53655522288_c1b74ef05e_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKmzrS)
IMG_1113 (https://flic.kr/p/2pKmzrS) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53654911170_5095534bb7_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKirMm)
Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2pKirMm) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53654445616_8c9fed4625_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKg4oy)
Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2pKg4oy) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53655522013_ab344bcf97_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKmzn8)
IMG_1118 (https://flic.kr/p/2pKmzn8) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53654448211_3843d30f6e_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKg5ai)
Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2pKg5ai) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53654912525_72215b3ca4_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKisbH)
Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2pKisbH) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53654799744_6b41aea7d4_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKhSEd)
Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2pKhSEd) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

Bonus - Long Beach from the Seal Beach Pier:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53655517613_9aa79c5dc1_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKmy4g)
Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2pKmy4g) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53655293016_22978b7c66_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKkphU)
Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2pKkphU) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53655777905_938c3029d5_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKnTr4)
IMG_1163 (https://flic.kr/p/2pKnTr4) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53655777880_239e7e512f_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKnTqC)
IMG_1153 (https://flic.kr/p/2pKnTqC) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53655538068_2c9d71ad0d_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pKmE8W)
IMG_1190 (https://flic.kr/p/2pKmE8W) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

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IMG_1175 (https://flic.kr/p/2pKnTrp) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

DJM19
Apr 15, 2024, 4:21 PM
I wish the Hollywood park developments in general had better urban planning and connectivity with the existing city. The material quality seems good. It just seems like the area will be insolated and sterile and sleepy.

craigs
Apr 15, 2024, 8:26 PM
Great pics hugh and plinko!

Until I saw plinko's pics above, I never realized that Century Plaza Towers' angled corners are tapered--I learn something new every day.

BrandonJXN
Apr 15, 2024, 9:14 PM
Great pics hugh and plinko!

Until I saw plinko's pics above, I never realized that Century Plaza Towers' angled corners are tapered--I learn something new every day.

Aon Center in DTLA tapers as well. It's about 5 or 10 feet wider at the base than at the top.

202_Cyclist
Apr 15, 2024, 10:07 PM
Plinko-- did you take those photos of Long Beach from Seal Beach?

Charmy2
Apr 15, 2024, 11:08 PM
Wow! Great to see the Century City project rising at such a rapid pace!

plinko
Apr 16, 2024, 1:07 AM
Plinko-- did you take those photos of Long Beach from Seal Beach?

Yes, from the Seal Beach Pier

202_Cyclist
Apr 16, 2024, 1:34 PM
Yes, from the Seal Beach Pier

I have good memories of the Seal Beach pier. I lived in Sunset Beach when I was a kid and in elementary school and middle school, we went fishing on the boats that used to leave from the end of the Seal Beach pier.

Zapatan
Apr 16, 2024, 3:58 PM
I'm amazed how quickly the office tower is going up.