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[Jularc]

The GiraSole


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New York, NY
Client: The Moinian Group
Completion: 2011

Situated in the heart of Manhattans newest neighborhood, the dynamic Hudson Yards District, 3 Hudson Boulevard, "The GiraSole" will be a gateway for the West Side and an icon of green architecture for the 21st Century. From its sky gardens to the reaches of the new Hudson Boulevard Park, this new 1.6 million square foot tower will be surrounded by green. Soaring to a height of over a thousand feet, it will offer unparalleled views south and west over Hudson River Park, the High Line and the new park and development of the Hudson Rail Yards. A solar power-generating tower, "The GiraSole" will set a new standard for mixed use development by uniting premium corporate offices and the most exclusive residences with the state of the art in environmentally sustainable design. The project is on track for LEED Platinum certification.


http://fxfowle.com/

[Jularc]

Here is an old article...


Between The Bricks


By LOIS WEISS
November 9, 2005

Joseph Moinian is another West Side fan who is putting his money where his mouth is.

We hear Moinian contracted to buy yet another Verizon building on the east side of 11th Ave. opposite Javits.

This is one of the area's four super corners, where sources say he intends to construct a soaring, 1.5 million-foot mixed-use tower that will include retail, hotel, offices and residences.

The 47,000-foot site at 555 W. 34th St. is next door to his Infinity Court apartments.

David Noonan and Jimmy Kuhn of Newmark handled the brokerage, just as they did for Moinian's Verizon purchase on 11th Ave. between 42nd and 43rd Streets.

Moinian is working there on a design for another 1.5 million square footer, next to the Costas Kondylis-designed apartment building he bought as plans from Jules Demchik and which is currently rising skyward.


Copyright 2005 NYP Holdings, Inc.

[toddguy]

Wow. Very impressive.

[Jularc]

:) And on the next block we will have this other tall one, that is proposed aswell...

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1167KPFSuperTallToPartnerEmpireStateBuilding_pic1.jpg

Girasol...

http://i19.tinypic.com/4md2irm.jpg

[toddguy]

They look like they will complement one another very well. That will be one hell of a view down that street when they are done-talk about looking like a canyon!

[Dac150]

:stunned: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

This is 100% AMAZING!! The fact that it came out of nowhere made the surprise even better.:yes: Sherwood has a nice neighbor, thats for sure.:tup:

Once again: :banana: :cheers: :banana:

[R@ptor]

Good news.

But considering the size and the location of this building couldn't they have come up with a more original design...something like the Chicago Spire or 80 South Street.

[Dac150]

I think its very bold. It stands out, makes people on the street look up. I for one am not a fan of the CS design. This works well for my taste.

[StarScraperCity]

:) And on the next block we will have this other tall one, that is proposed aswell...

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1167KPFSuperTallToPartnerEmpireStateBuilding_pic1.jpg

Girasol...

http://i19.tinypic.com/4md2irm.jpg

Those two will definitely compliment each other very well. I can't wait to see these projects move forward. :)

[aluminum]

Supertall. *yawn*
Wait a minute, "supertall with No Spire !!!! :omg:" :cheers: :cheers: :tup:

[Quixote]

Nice proposal.

[Nowhereman1280]

I like it, it kinda reminds me of something Foster would design. It also has no spire, NY needs a supertall with no spire... Not saying that spires are inherrently bad, but a flat top is nice for a change.

[cityguy]

Very exciting project.

[NYguy]

The GiraSole


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this new 1.6 million square foot tower will be surrounded by green. Soaring to a height of over a thousand feet, it will offer unparalleled views south and west over Hudson River Park, the High Line and the new park and development of the Hudson Rail Yards.

1,000 ft or more is fantastic for that site. It's also right next to Extell's potential 980 ft Convention Center hotel, not to mention the vast railyard development just to the south, which will also include 1,000 fters...

The stacking plan is a little confusing though...

[Jularc]

:) Also lets not forget about this 800 feet tower at 366 10th Avenue that is close by... Supertalls for NYC, keep them coming! :cheers:

http://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/uploads/1185317419_extelholl2.jpg

[NYguy]

:) Also lets not forget about this 800 feet tower at 366 10th Avenue that is close by... Supertalls for NYC, keep them coming! :cheers:

That's exactly right. The towers over the railyards will have to be tall to stand out from surrounding developments.

[NYC2ATX]

"HOLY.......FUCKING........SHITT!!!!!!!"

....that was my immediate reaction to this thread.

I just can't believe this. These are like the two (or three- I wanna see a better rendering of the 10th Avenue tower) most thrilling proposals I've seen in quite a while.

34th and 42nd are on their way to becoming the first two complete cross-town canyons (correct me if I left any out).

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Aleks]

Awesome. This part of town will look great!

All those 3 projects in a vicinity, cool...What's the height of the square tower on the first render of post 4? Does it have a thread?

[Tom Servo]

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1167KPFSuperTallToPartnerEmpireStateBuilding_pic1.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/4md2irm.jpg
Wow, these are both really beautiful. Along with the NYTimes Building, BOA, TrumpSoHo, WilliamBeaverHouse, 7WTC, etc... NYC is collecting some VERY nice buildings. IMO, dispite some REALLY awful exceptions, most of what's going on in NYC is really nice... in fact, i'd even go as far to say that NYC is at the forefront of American Architecture right now.



*NYC is showing the rest of the world how to do glass skyscrapers the right way.*

[NYguy]

Relationship of this tower with various westside developments:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88233817/original.jpg__http://i12.tinypic.com/6czw7ro.jpg

All of those developments have their own threads.

[NYguy]

What's the height of the square tower on the first render of post 4? Does it have a thread?

No final height yet...more renderings here...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=129431&page=2

[Swede]

I, for one, welcome our new Westside giants. This in is looking real good, nice glass facade and yet a contrast with the also-nice glass tower next door.

Relationship of this tower with various westside developments:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88233817/original.jpg__http://i12.tinypic.com/6czw7ro.jpg

This shows how much there's a need for better subway access to the area.

[Thefigman]

Relationship of this tower with various westside developments:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88233817/original.jpg__http://i12.tinypic.com/6czw7ro.jpg

All of those developments have their own threads.


And there's also the MSG and Penn Station redevelopment to the east.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/69904123/original.jpg

This cluster will be a sight to behold. The ESB will be almost lost from view from the Jersey side. :)

[NYguy]

And there's also the MSG and Penn Station redevelopment to the east.

This cluster will be a sight to behold. The ESB will be almost lost from view from the Jersey side. :)

Yeah, there will be a steady stream of giant towers from the ESB all the way to the Hudson. We need something taller on the eastside to balance it out some. The Con Ed site should have been much more than it is.

[NYguy]

I, for one, welcome our new Westside giants. This in is looking real good, nice glass facade and yet a contrast with the also-nice glass tower next door.


This shows how much there's a need for better subway access to the area.

True. This tower sits over what will be the final stop on the 7 train. My only concern (a small one) is that what happened with Downtown Brooklyn development doesn't happen here. There was a similar rezoning to create commercial development there, but it has been overtaken with residential developments. We know that Sherwood hasn't decided between office or hotel on its massive 2.5 msf tower. This area was rezoned specifically to be Manhattan's 3rd business district. I just hope the bulk of what's been rezoned north of 34th Street for office towers doesn't get eaten by residentials.

But I still welcome this new supertall...(which looks more office btw)....:banana:

[NYonward]

Wow. Just when I thought the westside was going to be a repeat of midtown-east, the Girasol design is released.

[NYguy]

The west side developments are moving along faster than I thought. But we haven't seen anything yet. Just wait until the full scope of the railyard plans are released...:yes:

Also, looking at the design, Im understanding it a bit more. It's mixed-use, which explains the direct subway connection...

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[NYguy]

The GiraSole

New York, NY
Client: The Moinian Group
Completion: 2011

Situated in the heart of Manhattans newest neighborhood, the dynamic Hudson Yards District, 3 Hudson Boulevard, "The GiraSole" will be a gateway for the West Side and an icon of green architecture for the 21st Century. From its sky gardens to the reaches of the new Hudson Boulevard Park, this new 1.6 million square foot tower will be surrounded by green. Soaring to a height of over a thousand feet, it will offer unparalleled views south and west over Hudson River Park, the High Line and the new park and development of the Hudson Rail Yards.
http://fxfowle.com/


Directly to the south, fxfowle will have a hand in the World Product Center:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08012007/business/copa_sites_new_identity_business_lois_weiss.htm

COPA SITE'S NEW IDENTITY
FORMER NIGHTCLUB TO BE A CUTTING-EDGE MEDICAL SHOWROOM

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August 1, 2007 -- THE former Copacabana site at the southeast corner of 34th Street and Eleventh Avenue is morphing into an approximately 1.5 million-square-foot skyscraper that could become the home of the World Product Centre, a showroom that will feature the latest in high-tech medical equipment.

WPC is the brainchild of Israel Green, who has just signed a letter of intent with Gary Barnett for a "full 1 million square feet," which will be about 70 percent of this new Extell Development project.

The 45- to 50-story building is being designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox with WPC innards by FXFowle Architects.

[Antares41]

Just a sign of things to come. Whether you like the design or not it significant in that it shows that NYC will be a participant in building supertall bldgs. It may take a while, but, given the demand for commercial space and the aging commercial office bldg infrastructure, NYC will remain very relevant when it comes to supertall construction.

[NYguy]

Whether you like the design or not it significant in that it shows that NYC will be a participant in building supertall bldgs.

Right. Given the fact that just a few short years ago, people were writing off tall skyscraper construction in the city (in the aftermath of 9/11), it's really impressive. It's as if the floodgates have opened, as the bulk of skyscraper developments on the west side now include 1,000 footers. It will be really interesting to see who pushes away from the crowd, creating the dominant tower in the area.

[NYguy]

Hudson Yards zoning...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88241577/large.jpg

[ZZ-II]

wonderful supertall :), please start it as soon as possible!!

[Alliance]

50 stories and 1000'???? seems like that crown is a bit bigger than depicted.

[NYguy]

50 stories and 1000'???? seems like that crown is a bit bigger than depicted.

You can count here:

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As we know, stories don't translate into height.

I count more than 60 though...

[NYguy]

http://curbed.com/archives/2007/11/01/the_girasole_coming_to_hudson_yards.php#more

The GiraSole Coming to Hudson Yards?

http://curbed.com/uploads/2007_10_girasole1.jpg


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Thursday, November 1, 2007, by Joey

Our public demanded it, so here it is. In yesterday's Linkage, someone commented that we should cover the GiraSole (and then called us "hoes"). The GiraSole? Ah yes, the GiraSole! Visitors to the Javits Center may have notice a huge walled-off pit across the street, with Moinian Group signage all over it. The plot will be the latest in a group of new high-rises surrounding, and occupying, the Hudson Yards. The above, as pointed out by the eagle-eyed SkyscraperPage forum users, is what architecture firm FXFOWLE suggests occupy that pit, at 555 West 34th Street. But if this mixed-use monster gets built, don't expect the view to remain the same as the above rendering.

First, the facts on the building. According to FXFOWLE, the GiraSole will be completed in 2011. The thousand-foot office/condo tower will also be green as hell, with "sky gardens" and a solar power-generating crown. LEED Platinum certification is also on tap. Pretty exciting stuff, but can it steal the spotlight from its various upcoming neighbors. A SkyscraperPage member put together this graphic, showing all the new gigantic developments in the immediate area, including architect Steven Holl's Towering S.

There can never be enough PAX, 'wichcraft, Cafe Metro and Pronto Pizza locations to cater to this influx of office drones. That 7 Train stop sure is going to be a party, though.

http://curbed.com/uploads/2007_10_girasole3.jpg

[tdawg]

wow. how many 1,000+ do we have proposed/under construction now in the city? anyone know?

[ZZ-II]

completed 2011? think they've to start soon

[aluminum]

wow. how many 1,000+ do we have proposed/under construction now in the city? anyone know?

A lot of them are proposed, its hard to keep track of them. But only one real 1000 footer is U/C.

[AtlanticaC5]

Now this looks very promising! A real cluster with a couple of giants on the West side would be sweeet :)

[STERNyc]

completed 2011? think they've to start soon

Nothing's set in stone. I checked the DOB website and couldn't find anything. But they're already excavating the site. And I've sporadically checked the Fox and Fowle website for almost a decade now and they don't post fantasy projects.

What's really surprising to me is that Extell is starting work on a tall tower as is Moinian. Has the 7 line even started construction yet? Right now there is no middle ground, theres these construction sites and then gas-stations, chop shops, junk shops, mcdonalds, clubs, and parking lots.

[NYguy]

wow. how many 1,000+ do we have proposed/under construction now in the city? anyone know?

That's hard to nail down because so many developments are in a state of flux. We know there are 3 at the WTC site, but it could be twice that or more in Midtown (not including BofA and Times).

[NYguy]

What's really surprising to me is that Extell is starting work on a tall tower as is Moinian. Has the 7 line even started construction yet? Right now there is no middle ground, theres these construction sites and then gas-stations, chop shops, junk shops, mcdonalds, clubs, and parking lots.

A lot of this will happen simultaneously. The City has quietly acquired all of the land it needs for the subway extension, and the planned Hudson Boulevard. Everything is moving according to plan, except the Javits Center expansion. Spitzer came into office with the promise of moving things along, but has proven to be just as slow if not worse than Pataki in getting these things moving along. Despite that however, the rest of the developments are taking shape.

Because of complications regarding the winner of the railyards site, and its various bidders/tenants, some of the other developers in the area are waiting to pick up the pieces from the fallout. Everyone looking to may get to move to the west side, one way or another.

It's like the city has created a big playground for developers, and said "go out and play!"

[BVictor1]

http://i3.tinypic.com/6gxj9s6.jpg

It's nice, simple.

It reminds me somewhat of an extruded version of 7WTC from certain angles.

[VA_Gentleman]

Great tower. Great news. It reminds me a little of the citigroup center.

[Dac150]

Right. Given the fact that just a few short years ago, people were writing off tall skyscraper construction in the city (in the aftermath of 9/11), it's really impressive. It's as if the floodgates have opened, as the bulk of skyscraper developments on the west side now include 1,000 footers. It will be really interesting to see who pushes away from the crowd, creating the dominant tower in the area.

True to no end.:yes: I am just very happy that this supertall and many more to come will make home in the Manhattan Skyline.

This reminds me of when skyscrapers in Manhattan were just starting out. Nothing built back then but TALL, beautiful, bold, iconic buildings. These new developements prove that history does indeed repeat itself.

[CoolCzech]

Supertall. *yawn*
Wait a minute, "supertall with No Spire !!!! :omg:" :cheers: :cheers: :tup:


Oh, yeah, they're such exciting looking... rectangles:rolleyes:

Doesn't it ever occur to you that spires add variety and excitement?

[NYguy]

This reminds me of when skyscrapers in Manhattan were just starting out. Nothing built back then but TALL, beautiful, bold, iconic buildings. These new developements prove that history does indeed repeat itself.

This rendering also reminds me of those old photos of the early days, when buildings like Rockefeller Center and Chrysler were first built. They dominated in a way that would be hard to imagine now. This tower likewise will be surrounded by other towers in the future. In fact, its hard to say if this would be the first to rise at all.

http://i19.tinypic.com/4md2irm.jpg

[NYguy]

Comparison to other monoliths...

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[BVictor1]

Oh, yeah, they're such exciting looking... rectangles:rolleyes:

Doesn't it ever occur to you that spires add variety and excitement?

When integrated properly into the overall design of a building and not just ploped on haphazardly.

[charmedone]

wow anoyther 1000 footer its about time new york city builds bigger i mean they have in the past few years but they have been useing spires to cheat the hight of there buildings im glad to see that these builldings dont have that

[zuelas]

I was excited when i saw the listing for a new 1000+ ft proposal for NYC. Then I saw the design and was extremely underwhelmed. It's as though the architects made a very tall box then cut out 2 small sections from the top.... and that was it, nothing else. I was very surprised to see everyone exclaiming their excitement over the bldg. Yeah, it's tall but what else? Trust me, I'd take it for my dwntwn in a heartbeat, but is it exceptional for NYC? You'd think there'd be room for creating something striking in this market for the '3rd' dwntwn of manhattan. Blehk....

[Dac150]

I was excited when i saw the listing for a new 1000+ ft proposal for NYC. Then I saw the design and was extremely underwhelmed. It's as though the architects made a very tall box then cut out 2 small sections from the top.... and that was it, nothing else. I was very surprised to see everyone exclaiming their excitement over the bldg. Yeah, it's tall but what else? Trust me, I'd take it for my dwntwn in a heartbeat, but is it exceptional for NYC? You'd think there'd be room for creating something striking in this market for the '3rd' dwntwn of manhattan. Blehk....

This is modern NYC architecture. The building is a poster child for a new breed of buildings (green). It's tall, innovative, and beneficial to the enviroment. Plus its a supertall without a spire.

IMO, it's just what the doctor ordered.

[BrandonJXN]

Even though the name GiraSole sounds like some sort of foot medicine, I really love this tower. This is how to make a gracefull, classy building. Simple, clean, and modern through and through. I love it.

[Lecom]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr. Taco]

This is modern NYC architecture. The building is a poster child for a new breed of buildings (green). It's tall, innovative, and beneficial to the enviroment. Plus its a supertall without a spire.

IMO, it's just what the doctor ordered.

you mean they're gonna start making green-glass skyscrapers now? its about time!

[James Bond Agent 007]

Damn, so many supertalls u/c or proposed in Manhattan I can't keep track of them all. ;)

[Jularc]

:tup: They already started digging at the site! I guess they want to be the first ones with the planned hotels rooms in the area.


From scumonkey (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=195658&postcount=71) at WNY...


Inside the pit SW view
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/inside-peek-looking-south-west.jpg
inside SE view
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/SEview.jpg
Inside N view
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/Nview.jpg

[NYguy]

wow anoyther 1000 footer its about time new york city builds bigger i mean they have in the past few years but they have been useing spires to cheat the hight of there buildings im glad to see that these builldings dont have that

Glad to see you wasted your "1" post on that...:rolleyes:

[NYguy]

You'd think there'd be room for creating something striking in this market for the '3rd' dwntwn of manhattan. Blehk....

You seem to speak as if this is the "centerpiece" of the new west side of Manhattan. It isn't. It's a mixed-use tower that is as tall as it is because of zoning. There doesn't have to be anything exceptional about it. The height alone is "striking", considering its an area that barely has any highrises. Want a tower that screams for attention? Go to Dubai. That's not how they do it in New York, although we do have some nice ones.

[NYguy]

:tup: They already started digging at the site! I guess they want to be the first ones with the planned hotels rooms in the area.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/Nview.jpg

From scumonkey (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=195658&postcount=71) at WNY...

That's great. Now if they could just select a winning bidder for the convention center hotel, the pieces can begin to fall into place. You can see the plaza that will be the site of the hotel in the background of that pic. Moinian is one of the 3 bidders for that one as well. I wonder if they would start this tower without an anchor tenant...

[gymguy2k]

Hey NYguy, was there something overly ignorant or offensive in what Charmedone's comment was? Get a grip. There, that's my 2nd post and I wasted it on you.

[CHAPINM1]

Before reading take note that I'm not getting into the whole Chicago VS NYC nonsense, I'm talking about how this building compares to another building in another city. I personally look at this building as Chicago's John Hancock of NYC! They are the first major mixed use projects for each city. This will also be one of NYC's highest ablove ground pools to be in a highrise as the pool in the JHC is on the 44th floor and is the highest in Chicago. We know that both buildings are over 1,000 feet, but they may both be around the same height. Also, as of now this building will have a major impact on the NYC skyline as JHC did when constructed in Chicago and still does! Either way, both buildings are pioneers for their city. It makes me that much happier that this one is aready in preperation!!! :D

[Dac150]

Before reading take note that I'm not getting into the whole Chicago VS NYC nonsense, I'm talking about how this building compares to another building in another city. I personally look at this building as Chicago's John Hancock of NYC! They are the first major mixed use projects for each city. This will also be one of NYC's highest ablove ground pools to be in a highrise as the pool in the JHC is on the 44th floor and is the highest in Chicago. We know that both buildings are over 1,000 feet, but they may both be around the same height. Also, as of now this building will have a major impact on the NYC skyline as JHC did when constructed in Chicago and still does! Either way, both buildings are pioneers for their city. It makes me that much happier that this one is aready in preperation!!! :D

To compare any up-coming building to the John Hancock Center in Chicago is an honor for both the building and the city in which it's being constructed. I appreciate that comment.:yes:

[Antares41]

The comment regarding the pool is an interesting one. Looking at the rendering from above the roof, that was one of the things that caught my eye. A pool ~1,000 ft above ground! got to be one of the highest in the world once it completed, although I'm sure something in Dubai, probably one of the many proposed hotels, will be higher.

[Dac150]

How cool would it be to swim 1,000 ft above Manhattan.

[NYguy]

Hey NYguy, was there something overly ignorant or offensive in what Charmedone's comment was? Get a grip. There, that's my 2nd post and I wasted it on you.

pathetic, waste of space

[NYguy]

How cool would it be to swim 1,000 ft above Manhattan.

Very cool, though I'm sure Trump wouldn't let that one last for long before bringing his own, higher version...

http://i3.tinypic.com/6gxj9s6.jpg

[Dac150]

Very cool, though I'm sure Trump wouldn't let that one last for long before bringing his own, higher version...

http://i3.tinypic.com/6gxj9s6.jpg

Not a bad thing. If having the highest swimming pool in the city means a lot to a developer like Trump, then I have no problem with him getting that title.:D The more 1,000 footers, the better.

[charmedone]

Glad to see you wasted your "1" post on that...:rolleyes:

lol thanks :-P

[NYguy]

Not a bad thing. If having the highest swimming pool in the city means a lot to a developer like Trump, then I have no problem with him getting that title.:D The more 1,000 footers, the better.

Ironically, although it could potentially have the city's highest residences, either Ghery's tower (said to be over 900 ft), or Libeskinds 900 ft tower would be listed as tallest residentials, even though both of those would be slightly mixed-use. But never, ever count Donald Trump out of the game...

They may be expanding their "brand" around the world, but everyone knows the place to be...;)

[Dac150]

They may be expanding their "brand" around the world, but everyone knows the place to be...;)

After all New York is where he made a name for himself and established his career. I'm sure he'll build a big one in Manhattan before his time is done. It's something he has wanted for the city since he first started out.

[NYguy]

It's something he has wanted for the city since he first started out.

He just needs the right location, although he steamrolled NIMBYs in his last two largest developments in the city...

[Dac150]

He just needs the right location, although he steamrolled NIMBYs in his last two largest developments in the city...

I was very annoyed that Television City didn't come through. What an amazing site that would've been.

[NYguy]

I was very annoyed that Television City didn't come through. What an amazing site that would've been.

Yeah, don't even bring that one up. All versions of it were taller than the Freedom Tower. Even his NYSE proposal was taller. Oh well. We can't complain about the developments we're getting now.

[Dac150]

Even his NYSE proposal was taller.

I believe though the NYSE Tower was scrapped because of 9/11. What a kick in the ass that was. I guess you can say those terrorists destroyed 3 Manhattan supertalls.

Trump will get his NYC supertall eventually.

[CoolCzech]

Just how many supertall proposals ARE there at the moment for NYC? It's just getting too hard to keep track of them all...

[SNT1]

Let me list by gripe first:

ANOTHER Silver Tower? ._.

That said: Love the boxy look. New York wins here! Not a 700-footer that needs a flagpole!

[Scruffy]

i cant understand is where Trump is on all this? From the inception of the far west side i always thought Trump would finally go for a landmark here. he let extel and brookfield and all other gobble up the prime spots. wtf?? his most daring projects get diluted for one reason or another and here finally he has basically a no limits playground and he's too busy in every other city to bother with his hometown? way to drop the ball

[Alliance]

i cant understand is where Trump is on all this? From the inception of the far west side i always thought Trump would finally go for a landmark here. he let extel and brookfield and all other gobble up the prime spots. wtf?? his most daring projects get diluted for one reason or another and here finally he has basically a no limits playground and he's too busy in every other city to bother with his hometown? way to drop the ball

Imo, Trump genrally drops the ball. Why? Because he develops on image, not quality. I have a large "Trump dropped the ball" too.

[Tom Servo]

i cant understand is where Trump is on all this? From the inception of the far west side i always thought Trump would finally go for a landmark here. he let extel and brookfield and all other gobble up the prime spots. wtf?? his most daring projects get diluted for one reason or another and here finally he has basically a no limits playground and he's too busy in every other city to bother with his hometown? way to drop the ball

what are you talking about? trump soho is his BEST project, hands down.

[NYguy]

I believe though the NYSE Tower was scrapped because of 9/11. What a kick in the ass that was.

No, you're talking about the 900 ft tower that was planned accross from the current NYSE home. Trump had another proposal near the piers, about twice that height. As I recall, the main tower itself wasn't to be home to the Exchange.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/74772655/medium.jpg

[NYguy]

i cant understand is where Trump is on all this? From the inception of the far west side i always thought Trump would finally go for a landmark here. he let extel and brookfield and all other gobble up the prime spots. wtf?? his most daring projects get diluted for one reason or another and here finally he has basically a no limits playground and he's too busy in every other city to bother with his hometown? way to drop the ball

You can never count Trump out. He'll be back claiming to construct the "biggest" or "best" something of New York sooner or later.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/52932145.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE7497C359CD36E0B4A40A659CEC4C8CB6
viewimages.com

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/41181733/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/41181725/original.jpg

[NYguy]

trump soho is his BEST project, hands down.

You joke, but the way Trump danced around those NIMBYs was classic.

[Alliance]

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/74772655/medium.jpg

This wasn't scrapped...this is freedom Tower.

:haha:

[StevenW]

New York City is WHITE HOT!!! :omg:

[Dac150]

Imo, Trump genrally drops the ball. Why? Because he develops on image, not quality. I have a large "Trump dropped the ball" too.

Donald Trump is hands down the most "get the job done" developer on the planet. I love his buildings and I admire his style.

If any developer can fight off the NIMBY's and build a 72 floor residential building next to the U.N.........enough said. Trump will get his supertall for the city. Its just a matter of when.

[Alliance]

Donald Trump is hands down the most "get the job done" developer on the planet. I love his buildings and I admire his style.

All Trump builds is crap.

[Dac150]

All Trump builds is crap.

Well this is the point of the road where it comes down to personal opinion.

Now back to the GiraSole.:tup:

[NYguy]

All Trump builds is crap.

Apparently, crap is very successful these days. It's why Trump's name is appearing in so many cities on so many towers now.

Some would argue that the Girasole is crap, but it has really grown on me. As we've seen from the photos, it joins Steven Holl's tower as the first major towers on the west side to begin site prep stages.

http://i3.tinypic.com/66j67lv.jpg

[Lecom]

Last night I puffed the magic dragon and went on a rant to my suite mate about how great of a news this is, getting the usual "hah, building geek!", rightfully accepting the title, and calling him a computer geek in return.

But seriously, can someone put together a map of all major West Side developments that list locations/heignts of the major proposed towers?

[Stephenapolis]

I like this tower, but at the same time find it boring. It does not look like a 1000 footer to me.

[tdawg]

there must be almost 10 buildings over 1000 feet either seriously proposed or under construction right now in NYC. Can any city save Dubai claim this? Maybe Hong Kong, Shanghai?

[Alliance]

there must be almost 10 buildings over 1000 feet either seriously proposed or under construction right now in NYC. Can any city save Dubai claim this? Maybe Hong Kong, Shanghai?

Chicago.

[CoolCzech]

there must be almost 10 buildings over 1000 feet either seriously proposed or under construction right now in NYC.

And this is just the beginning.


As the entire Westside development plays out... watch out!

[charmedone]

Chicago.

it wont hold it for long u guys only have the sears tower the aon center AT&T Corporate Center and the johnhancock center that have hights 1000 feet and over.


for now we have the empire state building the new york times tower and the Chrysler Building but the Bank of America Tower is almost done so that will make it 4 and if you include the Condé Nast Building (Four Times Square)antenna, that makes it 5 so that is more then chicago

and once the freedom tower and 200 Greenwich Street and 175 Greenwich Street are complted we will have more buildings over 1000 ft.

but chicago will hold the record for haveing more then one building over 100 floors with the chicago spire and the propossed Waldorf-Astoria Hotel and Residence Tower and also the sears tower and the johnhancock center

were as new york will only have the empire state building and the freedom tower unless anything else is proposed that has 100 floors or more

[Dac150]

it wont hold it for long u guys only have the sears tower the aon center AT&T Corporate Center and the johnhancock center


for now we have the empire statie building the new york times tower and the Chrysler Building but the Bank of America Tower is almost done so that will make it 4 and if you include the Condé Nast Building (Four Times Square)antenna, that makes it 5 so that more then chicago and once the freedom tower and 200 Greenwich Street and175 Greenwich Street are compalted we will ahve more buildings over 1000 ft and thats just a few

:haha: Your walking into the snake pit saying that.:haha:

[CoolCzech]

OH OH, here comes Steely Dan to put out the latest New York vs. Chicago outbreak!!!

Don't Tase Me, Bro!

OOOWWWWWW!!!!! :ahhh:

[tdawg]

I meant under construction and proposed only. I believe NYC has more 1000+ proposals on the table right now, three at the WTC alone, two on far west side, BofA and NYTimes that come to mind immediately.

[NYguy]

But seriously, can someone put together a map of all major West Side developments that list locations/heignts of the major proposed towers?

We don't have exact height figures for the towers, but there's a pic posted on the first page of various developments.

[NYguy]

:haha: Your walking into the snake pit saying that.:haha:

Be wary of posters with single digit post counts, as its obviously some troll looking for trouble. No sane person begins posting in the forum with ridiculous comments, its usually someone who's a member already.