NEW YORK | 3 Hudson Blvd (The Girasole) | 987 FT | 56 FLOORS | ON HOLD

[Prezrezc]

I agree. As I suggested earlier, Moinian for some reason didn't exercise due diligence IMO in seeing this project through the way it should have.

Whoever gets it next (if Moinian fails to thread the needle) will kick things into a higher gear.

[WhatTheHeck5205]

^^^I am so hoping you guys are right and Moinian isn’t able to pull this off. Compared to the previous design that was dropped, the current plans for this tower are almost criminal. I can’t believe the NIMBYs who were so upset about the 57th Street towers aren’t all up in arms about this one, but then again they probably never come to this part of town anyways.

[Prezrezc]

Perhaps the rail yards were the sole reason why that section was never a hotbed of activity for them to begin with.

Otherwise I would think there to be incessant yammering over their precious unobstructed riverside views and fie on those who would ever dare change that.

[chris08876]

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Credit: williambutler (https://www.instagram.com/p/BfJe4HxgNx4/?hl=en)

[ILNY]

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4626/39496917675_973876b39b_o.jpg
(https://flic.kr/p/23bd2ze)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/23bd2ze) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr


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(https://flic.kr/p/21Mtb7f)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/21Mtb7f) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr


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(https://flic.kr/p/21Mtbpu)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/21Mtbpu) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr

[ILNY]

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/812/41357484011_4ee9f81764_o.jpg
(https://flic.kr/p/261BV8a)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/261BV8a) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr


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(https://flic.kr/p/HSTg8o)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/HSTg8o) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr


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(https://flic.kr/p/HSTgjf)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/HSTgjf) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/817/41357484521_dfd82aede4_o.jpg
(https://flic.kr/p/261BVgX)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/261BVgX) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr

[yankeesfan1000]

Moinian was always out of his depth here, BP will speed things up.

Boston Properties to join as partner on Moinian’s 3 Hudson Boulevard (https://therealdeal.com/2018/04/10/boston-properties-to-join-as-partner-in-moinians-3-hudson-boulevard/)

https://therealdeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Joe-Moinian-and-a-rendering-of-3-Hudson-Boulevard-copy.jpg

"...Sources familiar with the negotiations said the Boston-based real estate investment trust signed a term sheet last month to provide nearly $500 million of equity. Boston Properties would serve as the developer of record, and Moinian would continue to search for an additional equity partner, sources said...

...Moinian has gone after between $250 million and $350 million of EB-5 financing..."

[JMKeynes]

Moinian was always out of his depth here, BP will speed things up.

Boston Properties to join as partner on Moinian’s 3 Hudson Boulevard (https://therealdeal.com/2018/04/10/boston-properties-to-join-as-partner-in-moinians-3-hudson-boulevard/)

https://therealdeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Joe-Moinian-and-a-rendering-of-3-Hudson-Boulevard-copy.jpg

"...Sources familiar with the negotiations said the Boston-based real estate investment trust signed a term sheet last month to provide nearly $500 million of equity. Boston Properties would serve as the developer of record, and Moinian would continue to search for an additional equity partner, sources said...

...Moinian has gone after between $250 million and $350 million of EB-5 financing..."

BP’s involvement means nothing. They’ll require a 750k sf commitment to get this going, and there don’t seem to be many takers, particularly since there will be millions of sf available in 50 HY, the Spiral, 2 MW, and 3 WTC.

[ILNY]

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(https://flic.kr/p/24o9QA1)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/24o9QA1) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr


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(https://flic.kr/p/JZWEL9)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/JZWEL9) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr

[TechTalkGuy]

Personally, I’d rather see 2 WTC built before this. :rolleyes:

[ILNY]

Construction is moving with the speed of molasses.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/916/42386908325_c98f2c931a_o.jpg
(https://flic.kr/p/27zzZ7e)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/27zzZ7e) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr


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(https://flic.kr/p/KiuZ6t)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/KiuZ6t) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr


First steel.

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(https://flic.kr/p/27zzYRe)3 Hudson Boulevard (https://flic.kr/p/27zzYRe) by NyConstructionPhoto (https://www.flickr.com/photos/87372922@N00/), on Flickr

[Zerton]

Is this the longest project from proposal to construction in SSP history?

[TechTalkGuy]

Is this the longest project from proposal to construction in SSP history?

Nah, that honor goes to 2 World Trade Center. :P

[chris08876]

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Credit: JC_Heights (http://www.yimbyforums.com/t/new-york-3-hudson-boulevard-940-ft-53-floors/199/268?u=chris08876)

[mrnyc]

you get fence! there was some digging and putzing around inside the pit yesterday :shrug:

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o725/NYCnMore/nyc4/5FF75DFA-672E-4E41-868D-A648B9DCD5A8_zpsunm3tt9a.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/NYCnMore/media/nyc4/5FF75DFA-672E-4E41-868D-A648B9DCD5A8_zpsunm3tt9a.jpg.html)

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o725/NYCnMore/nyc4/4A296DCF-887D-47DD-B4AB-0528B51CA65C_zpsi8c4ovqi.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/NYCnMore/media/nyc4/4A296DCF-887D-47DD-B4AB-0528B51CA65C_zpsi8c4ovqi.jpg.html)

[NYguy]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlWDqVJDoMx/?taken-by=bigcityaerials

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[Zerton]

Nah, that honor goes to 2 World Trade Center. :P

How could I have forgotten... :haha:

[NYguy]

A look at who's in the neighborhood so far...


http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/168200096.Rjdbo2aJ.d9.JPG



http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/168200097.nmV1w8Q5.d10.JPG

[ILNY]

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[Zapatan]

This building looks super sleek. And 940 feet adds more height variation since the Spiral and 50HY will be about the same height.

There was something off about the old design. I mean it was okay but I like this better.

[The North One]

I've followed this project since the last boom cycle before the recession and I'm sad that they totally neutered the design of this building.

[NYguy]

I've followed this project since the last boom cycle before the recession and I'm sad that they totally neutered the design of this building.

Yeah, and they switched it up at the last moment. It's a very basic looking tower. Too bulky for that prominent location. It was always going to be bulky, but the older design with the twist (and more height) made it less so than it is now.



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https://ny.curbed.com/2017/11/3/16604408/3-hudson-boulevard-hudson-yards-new-renderings


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[dc_denizen]

Boring design, wow

[Zapatan]

I guess it could be seen as boring but like the color/facade (at least from the renderings).

The older design was definitely more interesting but this'll be a nice filler. I guess they just wanted to cut costs? It is kind of a shame.

[NYguy]

A look into the pit...


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq-QgnUhyuy/

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[chris08876]

Foundation Work Making Headway For Moinian’s 3 Hudson Boulevard, In Hudson Yards

Situated immediately to the north of Hudson Yards’ first phase, 3 Hudson Boulevard sits at the corner of West 34th Street and Eleventh Avenue. Seen through the crowded perimeter of trailers, trucks, and mechanical equipment, one can get a small glimpse at the amount of progress the site has made since excavation officially began about one year ago. The tower is currently the 14th-tallest skyscraper under construction in New York City, and will rise 53 floors and 940 feet to its rooftop when complete. FXCollaborative is the designer, while the Moinian Group is the developer of the two million square foot project.

3 Hudson Boulevard was previously designed and proposed to be a supertall, standing with a large spire atop a twisting profile. Now, the design shows a much simpler and somewhat shorter envelope, composed of a multi-story podium and the main tower, which will feature a few setbacks on its upper floors along the southern elevation. The foundations are now ready for verticality, with large amounts of rebar pointin upwards at the sky, waiting for the core walls and columns to be formed. There will be an outdoor landscaped terrace on top of the podium, as well as on the flat top of the building.

The progression of buildings rising nearby now includes Bjarke Ingels “Spiral” office tower, the Manhattan West complex, and the expansion of the Jacob Javits Center. All of this is to accommodate a flood of tenants, retailers and the incoming wave of workers, residents and tourists who want to relocate, shop, live, and dine in Manhattan’s newest neighborhood.

Completion of 3 Hudson Boulevard is expected sometime in 2021.
======================
NYY (https://newyorkyimby.com/2018/12/foundation-work-making-headway-for-moinians-3-hudson-boulevard-in-hudson-yards.html)

[chris08876]

https://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/3HB.jpg
Credit: Michael Young via NYY (https://newyorkyimby.com/2018/12/foundation-work-making-headway-for-moinians-3-hudson-boulevard-in-hudson-yards.html)

[ILNY]

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[chris08876]

https://discourse-cdn-sjc1.com/business5/uploads/yimby/optimized/3X/e/0/e0d6356ebc24773930d7f9ef1f11c7626dd64d16_2_375x500.jpeg
Credit: bleak (http://www.yimbyforums.com/t/new-york-3-hudson-boulevard-940-ft-53-floors/199/299?u=chris08876)

[chris08876]

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Credit: Tectonic (http://www.yimbyforums.com/t/new-york-3-hudson-boulevard-940-ft-53-floors/199/300?u=chris08876)

[Prezrezc]

Okay, we're stuck with the booby prize as some would proclaim this to be; but as has been asserted here before regarding proposals, the right materials could make this quite nice.

I also suggest that the second render portion of the tower seems to be a panel ascending above the setback, whereas the first seems not to. This confuses me.
There's a new drawing out here that shoes what I hope will be this panel at a minimal level of enhancement.

[ILNY]

New renders.


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7815/47378332732_ee50cc8a68_o.jpg


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7922/33555166098_a91d200122_o.jpg


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[Prezrezc]

Extremely subtle setbacks to the left lead to a flush corner to the right. Sort of a Centrale/138 W50th vibe.

A unified skin design with what looks like metal pin-striping beats the hot mess we saw before.

And there's something with the podium that's not quite flush with the tower either...not a bad thing; 55HY does the same thing pretty much.

I say it's a vast improvement.

[RobEss]

Like looking at the dictionary definition of a corporate glass tower. Completely graceless.

[Jonovision]

Totally boring and mundane.

[mrnyc]

i dont care because i didn't like it with the bland fake spiraling either.

but two million square feet is quite a footprint for a now even more of a bland box of a building. and make no mistake, if you have not walked by here, but that plot is just enormous.

so we will get lots of glass and around 10k pfizer worker bee drones plotting and scheming how to rip us off in pharmaceutical costs. or who knows who will end up in there ???

[Zapatan]

Not really super exciting but pretty massive, and looks fine

Don't really get all the hate though?

[Zerton]

They totally cheaped out.

[Crawford]

Boring and anonymous, but high quality and classy.

Will fit in well with the other giant towers going up, and will appeal to Park Ave. law and investment firms.

[mrnyc]

^ no it remains to be seen if its high quality or not. based on the value engineering in the renders its trending cheapskate, but who knows? we will see. what it is is giant floor plates and that is definately appealing for some.

[Crawford]

^ no it remains to be seen if its high quality or not.

I seriously doubt a SOM design in Midtown Manhattan of all places, with Boston Properties as developer, will be low quality.

SOM is the gold standard in corporate architecture and Boston Properties is the fanciest office REIT in existence. You could hardly have more assurance that it will be a blueblood design for higher end tenancy.

[patriotizzy]

Not really super exciting but pretty massive, and looks fine

Don't really get all the hate though?

Calling a spade a spade does not equate to hate. It is very mundane as previously mentioned. Nothing more than filler at this point. The verticals metal fins are overdone (globally by the low-reaching "architects") and they do nothing to bring vibrancy. All design features are so vague and shallow, they are nearly invisible. Shame of a design for a fancy new neighborhood.

I hope to God phase two has natural warm facades like brick or stone. All these glass buildings do nothing to bring warmth to a cold-looking neighborhood.

[Prezrezc]

The penultimate design was trying too hard to work with a multiplicity of design elements.

Less is more here, especially if it looks like what they're after and if to their collective tastes it reflects their corporate image.

Build it.

[NYguy]

Counter clockwise, 50 Hudson, the Spiral, and 3 Hudson Boulevard...the "4 corners" towers (55 Hudson makes the 4th).


https://www.instagram.com/p/BwGbzj9htnE/

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Opposite angle...


https://www.instagram.com/p/BwGQSJuHoyL/

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[NYguy]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvSMTTaHBG8/

Hudson Yards from Weehawken with 3 Hudson Yards rendered : The first steel columns are in place for the Moinian Group/Boston Properties' new Manhattan office tower 3 Hudson Yards. The 1.9-MSF development will rise across from the Javits Convention Center and Related-Oxford's HudsonYards.

It will stand 53 floors, approximately 940 feet tall and open in 2021. FXCollaborative are the architects and new renderings on-site show an uneventful, pared-down design of glass and steel. The project will have retail, a possible duplex rooftop entertainment space/terrace, and will seek LEED Gold. Perhaps the signing of an anchor tenant will spice things up a bit...




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[chris08876]

High res / crisper renderings

https://discourse-cdn-sjc1.com/business5/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/9/d9a458a6b83438caed32db943db24c1dfedac6b7.jpeg

https://discourse-cdn-sjc1.com/business5/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/f/6fa17ff017ef69c818a721f02a1fc4ac01187dd3.jpeg
Credit for both: notrianglestudio (https://notrianglestudio.com/3d-architectural-renderings#jig%5Brel-9%5D/49/)

[Prezrezc]

Post 845 nos. 1 & 2 and post 846 #2 are all different now.

Moinian needs to shit or get off this pot now.

[DeSelby]

:worship: Truly Pritzker Prize-worthy architecture. We’re looking at NYC’s next icon, up there with ESB and Chrysler.

But in all seriousness, this site is a bitter disappointment that showcases all of the very worst traits of NYC developers. There’s going to be a very sad contrast between 50 HY with its expensive glass and classy white stone cladding and 3 HB across the street, a cheap glass box.

[Crawford]

There’s going to be a very sad contrast between 50 HY with its expensive glass and classy white stone cladding and 3 HB across the street, a cheap glass box.

There's probably no difference in the relative expensive. You might night like the design, but has nothing to do with "cheapness".

For some reason, people on SSP believe that if a tower is glass and a box, it's somehow cheaper than other building forms. Bizarre. Glass isn't cheaper than other materials, and boxes aren't cheaper to build than spired or slanted buildings. And developers build according to zoning and perceived tenant floorplate needs. That's what guides building design.

I think the new design fits in with HY quite well. Of course the building itself has no particular distinction, and I would prefer the earlier taller, slimmer version. But it fits perfectly with Related's existing towers.

[matt19215]

New renders and height increase!

https://www.newyorkyimby.com/2019/05/new-design-revealed-for-three-hudson-boulevard-in-hudson-yards.html

https://www.newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/3-Hudson-Boulevard_001_v4a_cropped.jpg

[jsbrook]

There's probably no difference in the relative expensive. You might night like the design, but has nothing to do with "cheapness".

For some reason, people on SSP believe that if a tower is glass and a box, it's somehow cheaper than other building forms. Bizarre. Glass isn't cheaper than other materials, and boxes aren't cheaper to build than spired or slanted buildings. And developers build according to zoning and perceived tenant floorplate needs. That's what guides building design.

I think the new design fits in with HY quite well. Of course the building itself has no particular distinction, and I would prefer the earlier taller, slimmer version. But it fits perfectly with Related's existing towers.

This is not true. Certainly not every glass tower is cheap. But: 1. there is a range in the price and quality of glass facades; 2. most glass IS cheaper than terracotta, bronze, limestone, copper and other similar materials that have been used in some of the masterpieces going up. I think this building is looking fine. Not great architectural shakes. But fine.

[chris08876]

This is back to super tall status.

[NYguy]

Filings are FINALLY beginning to show that this is more than just a 15-story building. They must have begun transferring the development rights over from the railyards. Final height not given yet, no zoning diagrams.


http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=14&passjobnumber=121186705&passdocnumber=08

05/24/2019

AMENDMENT BEING FILED TO REVISE FLOOR DESIGNATION,SECTION 8F,11,12,PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHT,BUILDING STORIES AND DWELLING UNITS IN SECTION 13 AND TO SUBMIT REVISED SCHEDULE A AND PLANS TO SHOW RESDESIGN OF PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDING TO 55 STORY.WVA#28044/14

OLD DESCRIPTION:APPLICATION FILED TO CONSTRUCT 14 STORY NB
NEW DESCRIPTION:APPLICATION FILED TO CONSTRUCT 55 STORY NB

Building Height (ft.): 874
Building Stories: 55




According to the Schedule A, terraces on these floors:

6-7
9
29
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54

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/BScanJobDocumentServlet?requestid=16&passjobnumber=121186705&passdocnumber=08&allbin=1089691&scancode=ES722550994

[JMKeynes]

If it’s one of the mundane designs we’ve already seen, this will be a missed opportunity.

[patriotizzy]

I remember the initial proposal being that thumbnail we currently see (why is the thumbnail so terribly outdated anyway???). I enjoyed the twist in the building.

Now we have a tall... glass box.

*shrugs, moves on*

[Zapatan]

I guess 874 feet is sans crown? I don't care about a minor height cut as long as it looks more interesting, the new renderings make it seem like it is.

[chris08876]

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Credit: JC_Heights (https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-3-hudson-boulevard-940-ft-53-floors/199/358?u=chris08876)

[chris08876]

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[chris08876]

Boston Properties’ 888-Foot Tall 3 Hudson Boulevard Gets Height Cut In New Filings, In Hudson Yards :(

https://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/3-Hudson-Boulevard-777x437.jpg

This week Boston Properties filed permits for a 56-story commercial building at 3 Hudson Boulevard, also known as 400 Eleventh Avenue in Hudson Yards, Manhattan. Located between 34th and 35th Streets, the empty lot is one block from the 34th Street-Hudson Yards subway station, serviced by the 7 train. The proposed 888-foot-tall tower will yield 1,538,210 square feet of commercial space.

In May Boston Properties finalized a $500 million equity investment deal for 3 Hudson Boulevard with the Moinian Group, acting as both the lender and co-developer with the Moinian Group in the joint venture. There has been many changes to the development since the Moinian Group broke ground on the property in 2017 when specs called for a 940-foot-tall, 53-story skyscraper.
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[Zapatan]

Didn't we already know this? I remember reading something like that aways back.

Not a huge deal honestly, it may actually balance out the area better in contrast with the 1000+ towers.

[Doubleu1117]

Didn't we already know this? I remember reading something like that aways back.

Not a huge deal honestly, it may actually balance out the area better in contrast with the 1000+ towers.

I agree, not the worst thing. Will probably help the Hudson Yards area skyline, a lot of those towers are all around the same height plateauing. This will be nice in the middle.

[NYguy]

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/searchAction.jsp?action=displayOECase&oeCaseID=417680762&row=424


Structure Name: 3 Hudson Boulevard (400 11th Avenue)

Site Elevation: 32
Structure Height: 900
Total Height (AMSL): 932

[chris08876]

They need to make their mind up on the height. Its like flip-flopping so much. This has to be one of the most bizarre of the Hudson Yard neighborhood towers. Everything else is straight forward, but this one likes to be unique.

[Prezrezc]

I'd think the FAA numbers woud at this point best represent what we're gonna get height-wise.

Architecturally speaking? Yes...It's a-plenty maddening.

[NYguy]

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/searchAction.jsp?action=displayOECase&oeCaseID=417680757&row=331

3 Hudson Boulevard (400 11th Avenue)

Site Elevation: 32
Structure Height: 987
Total Height (AMSL): 1019

[mrnyc]

awww come on. throw up a 14’ flagpole and call it a spire. :haha:

[chris08876]

https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/business5/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/4/b4bdd7db410745b23023db831831ef19fafa3a27.jpeg

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[Zapatan]

Man I hope that's the new design! I like it

[mrnyc]

i like it too, but can sorta blandly interesting be a descriptor?

[Busy Bee]

These would all be much more interestig buildings withing the granular contex of the city, but all together as a collection they somewhat loose their individual interest. I surmise this is a major challenge in modern architecture.

[Prezrezc]

Isn't this render the original torquing model that got *brutally* VE'd?

[Zapatan]

Isn't this render the original torquing model that got *brutally* VE'd?

I hope not, I thought it looked a little different at first, and with the height adjustment assumed it was a new design.

EDIT: I could be wrong though, I just saw the JC Heights link under the image that chris posted and apparently it's the original version, but if it's posted at the site who knows.






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[NYguy]

That rendering is from a couple of years ago, not the original. Not the newest either. But the newer renderings were removed from the site last time I checked.



The setbacks are the first thing I noticed in the newer rendering. It's why I was looking for more of a taper than some of the renders suggest. But it's the best part of the building I believe. The spire is substantial.



https://www.6sqft.com/new-renderings-of-3-hudson-boulevard-revive-the-proposed-skyscrapers-300-foot-spire/
https://imgs.6sqft.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/13113633/3-Hudson-Blvd-2.jpg

[Zapatan]

That rendering is from a couple of years ago, not the original. Not the newest either. But the newer renderings were removed from the site last time I checked.

I had forgotten about those setbacks under the fins in the old one, but yea you're right. I'm curious to see if the new 987' design will be more interesting than a box. If it could be anything close to the old one that'd be great

[Crawford]

This tower has has like 15 different iterations, so I'm kinda past caring.

But I guess if it's Boston Properties developing and SOM designing it can't be that bad.

[Zerton]

Much better, if that's the redesign. Looks more like the original design from 2004 or whatever.

[NYguy]

Most if the biggies have anchor tenants, except for 3 Hudson, 2 WTC, and 15 Penn. I wouldn't put Tower Fifth or the Grand Hyatt tower in that category.


https://www.bisnow.com/new-york/news/office/ibm-on-hunt-for-massive-nyc-office-space-101540

IBM On The Hunt For Massive NYC Office Space As It Weighs WeWork Exit

October 29, 2019


IBM is on the lookout for roughly 500K SF of office space to pull all its separate city locations together to one location, Crain’s New York Business reports. The move would involve IBM ditching WeWork’s 88 University Place. IBM occupies that entire Greenwich Village building, which WeWork leases from an entity controlled by former CEO Adam Neumann. Sources told Crain’s that IBM hired former Cushman & Wakefield leasing broker Marlene Manzella as its head of leasing and transactions in North America and tasked her with consolidating its offices. C&W will be helping with the search for new space, which could be as big as 500K SF.


If IBM does withdraw from the WeWork location, it likely won't be for at least a few years, as its lease at 51 Astor Place, where it occupies 144K SF, runs until 2024. The company also has space at 590 Fifth Ave. in the Plaza District, per Crain’s. IBM is the latest tech firm said to be looking around the city for an office space to plant its flag. There have been multiple reports of Facebook prowling around for a lease, reportedly weighing a big footprint at Hudson Yards at one point and now, most recently, facing off with Apple for the 740K SF of offices at the Farley building.

[chris08876]

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[JMKeynes]

This tower has has like 15 different iterations, so I'm kinda past caring.

But I guess if it's Boston Properties developing and SOM designing it can't be that bad.

I think that FxFowle is the architect -- not SOM.

[chris08876]

Construction Activity Resumes At Three Hudson Boulevard In Hudson Yards

Work appears to have resumed at Three Hudson Boulevard in Hudson Yards, the 11th-tallest project under construction in New York in YIMBY’s annual countdown. Work on the foundations of the planned 940-foot-tall office skyscraper stalled in 2019 while the scope and architectural form of the structure underwent several revisions. However, activity was recently spotted at the southern end of the property, where a small group of workers are currently forming the final section of the reinforced concrete foundation wall. The 53-story project is designed by FXCollaborative and being developed by Moinian Group.

A number of large vertical steel beams are already in place toward the western side of the property, as is a giant steel truss on the northern end of the rectangular site. The outline for the core walls has been formed with steel rebar, which stands vertically at the center of the foundation slab. Work should hopefully continue on through 2020 and begin to ascend at some point in the year.

Three Hudson Boulevard sits between West 34th Street and West 35th Street by the northern entrance to the 7 train. It will yield 1,538,210 square feet of commercial space. Though it will come up short of supertall status, it will nonetheless contribute to the growing density of the Hudson Yards neighborhood. The flat roof parapet will eclipse the height of 55 Hudson Yards to the south, but will be surpassed by 66 Hudson Boulevard, aka “The Spiral,” which is rising directly to the east across Bella Abzug Park.
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[chris08876]

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[NYguy]

https://nypost.com/2020/01/15/look-inside-3-hudson-boulevard-hudson-yards-next-office-tower/

Look inside 3 Hudson Boulevard, Hudson Yards’ next office tower


https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/cre-3hb-1.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

By Lois Weiss
January 15, 2020


A brand-new design has been revealed for 3 Hudson Boulevard, a long-planned tower with 1.85 million square feet of office space.

Just shy of 1,000 feet tall, 3 Hudson Boulevard will top out at 56 stories with several floors having nearly 30-foot-high ceilings and plenty of terraces. It is slated to be ready for tenants at the end of 2023.

The $3 billion-plus project, located on the northwest corner of West 34th Street and Hudson Boulevard, is a collaboration between Joseph Moinian and office real estate investment trust (REIT) Boston Properties.

The REIT is an experienced developer that owns and has built office buildings from Salesforce Tower in San Francisco to numerous Boston projects and, locally, 250 W. 55th St.



The center core building has just one support column for the large, 50,000 square-foot podium floors that run from stories 3 to 7.

“It’s very unusual to have one column for a trading-sized floor,” says Moinian. These floors cantilever over the duplex lobby and have 16½-foot ceilings with 10½-foot windows.

As the building rises and sets back to smaller floors, it allowed the creation of seven unique floors dubbed “delighters.” These have breathtakingly high ceilings and in some cases, terraces.

Explains Richard Monopoli, senior vice president of development for Boston Properties: “They are the best products and they ‘delight’ the customers.”

“They are not typical,” Moinian adds proudly.

The “delighter” floors have ceilings that are either 19½ feet tall or a whopping 29 feet high. The latter type will include terraces.

The delighter floors include 6, 9, 28, 29, 45, 54 and 55. “An interior architect could do something special,” Powers says about the interior-design possibilities. For instance, staircases could be built between 28 and 29 and 54 and 55.

The “regular” floors will have 14½-foot-tall ceilings.

“It makes it very efficient,” Powers says. Unique in the Big Apple, the entire building will be covered in the high-tech “vision” glass that can be programmed to change tints over the course of the day. This glass is also designed to limit the heat loads and energy usage that plague such towers and is critical to meeting new city energy targets.


Preparing for construction, Monopoli is currently negotiating orders for the concrete, steel, elevators and the glass curtain wall, while Tishman Construction has been hired as the contractor.

Since the foundation at 3 Hudson Boulevard will soon reach grade level, should an anchor tenant ink a deal by the end of 2020, it would get its keys at the end of 2023. All employees could be moved in during 2024.

The team is targeting and in conversations with the “next” group of large tenants who are expanding or have leases expiring.

Rents would start at about $110 per square foot for the lower floors and rise from there — not a shocking number for brand-new Class A space.

[Crawford]

So it's now 1,000 ft.? And a revised design?

At least Boston Properties is now in charge. They don't mess around, so this will finally be leased.

Also, shouldn't this be in the supertall forum?

[NYguy]

Unique in the Big Apple, the entire building will be covered in the high-tech “vision” glass that can be programmed to change tints over the course of the day.




Interesting to see how that plays out.

[Hudson11]

seems like the FAA submission was accurate. I'm glad that at the least it's a supertall. Pretty boring otherwise.

[NYguy]

^ Yeah, that FAA submission was for 987 ft, not sure what the exact number is now, but close to 1,000 ft.




https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1/170314132.FuCjGv1h.CE50D441FE38448D96B9B06EF8F7AEB9.jpeg

[Zapatan]

Considering this is like the 27th time this has changes who knows... good news though!

This will also be 56 stories at least according to the article, title update? :)

Just shy of 1,000 feet tall, 3 Hudson Boulevard will top out at 56 stories with several floors having nearly 30-foot-high ceilings and plenty of terraces. It is slated to be ready for tenants at the end of 2023.

[JMKeynes]

The article refers to setbacks, but there don't appear to be any on the north, south, or west sides of the façade shown in the rendering.

[Hudson11]

you can see the setbacks in the new rendering depicting the Western face looking towards the Hudson. Those are terraces, not blowthrough floors. A building like this doesn't need blow through floors like toothpick towers on billionaires' row.

[pianowizard]

Hooray, one more supertall for NYC! If I am counting correctly, when completed it will be the city's 20th supertall.

[JMKeynes]

you can see the setbacks in the new rendering depicting the Western face looking towards the Hudson. Those are terraces, not blowthrough floors. A building like this doesn't need blow through floors like toothpick towers on billionaires' row.

Those just appear to be open air areas. I don’t see setbacks with smaller floorplates as the tower rises.

[mrnyc]

lets face it, whatever goes up here, they are angling for a pretty boring office building.

it will be good to get that hole in the ground built and i guess another supertall.

[Prezrezc]

Those just appear to be open air areas. I don’t see setbacks with smaller floorplates as the tower rises.

To both your points, if you're referring to the two uppermost horizontal gaps in the facade, then the setbacks you're talking about are quite minimalist.

I'd have to see a hi-res image.

This controllably hued glass idea sounds promising. In fact, I'd like to see a color scheme similar to Vista in Chicago.


Who knows? Maybe at some future point, we could have a dynamically changing skin to a future supertall......:slob:

[chris08876]

Overall good day. 2 WTC news, and 3 Hudson back to being a super tall (again lol).

I was looking a the super tall count and was getting worried.

Counting all u/c or complete, we have 20 super talls (includes 270 Park as that is happening). CTBUH listing 3 Hudson at 987 ft so 300.8 meters.

Assuming 2 WTC, lucky 21! Now if we factor proposals, in theory, 26 super talls.

Still concerning figures, BECAUSE WE NEED MORE!!! :boogy: :tup: :D

[chris08876]

High Res Rendering:


https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/cre-3hb-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200

[chris08876]

Closer look:

https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/business5/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/7/772479738adcfcdee4dce7a686479bdbbf8d914c.jpeg

[Prezrezc]

Thank You!

Personal TakeAway:

1. Those have to be the most subtle setbacks I have ever seen on a high-rise+, period.

2. The facade patterning is a 180º turnaround from the vapidity witnessed in the prior renders.

3. They could have jazzed up the podium somewhat.

4. As Guy pointed out from the article, this hue-shifting glass (so-called "SmartGlass?) can rightly end up being the sole make-or-breaker; but as it is the uptick in height will make the aforementioned feature more prominent.

I'm trying to find a site where I might be able to read more about what the engineers/architects are trying to accomplish here.

Edit: It compliments 55 H beautifully. Now:

No...More...Tweaking!

[JMKeynes]

Thanks, Chris. I see the setbacks now. They're pretty slight.

I like this tower.

[Crawford]

It's still boring, but is now classy. Will be a nice background tower in HY.

[BXFrank]

:shrug: Girasole tower went from twisting, to kinda sorta twisting, to straight. The name itself is irrelevant now, Girasole in Spanish if twisting / sun for the Sunflower plant that twist when facing the sun.