CHICAGO | General Developments

[Jibba]

Because a traditional 3-flat has zero accessible units. You can slide it down a 1/2 story to create one accessible unit on the ground floor... the other two units are not accessible unless you build an elevator, but the cost of that won't pencil.

This is permanent supportive housing, so serving the needs of people with disabilities is the whole reason for being. This design is provide one fully accessible unit (simplex unit in front) and two visitable units (duplex in middle and rear).

Typically supportive housing is provided in larger elevator buildings, but this is a different scattered site approach. For this area of North Lawndale I'm in favor of anything that fills in the vacant lots... Also only the first rendering is a 3-flat. The second rendering is a pair of 6-flats.

They're just a contemporary version of this early 00s(?) type: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.908447,-87.6945181,3a,75y,37.45h,86.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sutfMQnwp2AwgEopmot7_pw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

While the design and rendering are a nice political tool (new ideas for a new world!), I don't find the design appropriate for this type of thing (even though I like it). The budget probably won't allow for the high-quality colored paneling that will resist fading over the years, and I don't imagine that a sharp & rectilinear metal volume is approachable & home-y for someone in need of supportive housing. It looks like the residential equivalent of the wannabe International Style bank branches that have cropped up everywhere over the last 10 years.

[ardecila]

I'm guessing the JGMA projects will be precast panel - that seems to be the hot material right now for all kinds of subsidized housing in Chicago.

Actually the YIMBY article does specify a metal panel. Interesting - I assume that means the buildings will be stick framed.

I go back and forth on the style question - you don't want to stigmatize residents by making their buildings stand out starkly, but you can argue the stigma would exist regardless. I think the colors are pretty cheery and there is attention paid to outdoor and common space that wouldn't exist in a more traditional format.

[Steely Dan]

This is permanent supportive housing, so serving the needs of people with disabilities is the whole reason for being. This design is provide one fully accessible unit (simplex unit in front) and two visitable units (duplex in middle and rear).


gotcha. this is all about accessibilty. that would've been helpful to know.

i generally MUCH prefer the "ground" floor of a residential building to be at least a handful of risers above grade, but yeah, that comes with inherent non-accessbility issues for small-scale multi-family.

in that light, it's a fine work around, but i still don't like the scale imbalance in the first image of the new 2 story accessbilbe 3-flat up against a traditional 3-flat. not sure i have any better ideas though (ramps and other lower-cost elevation change solutions typically come with their own set of functional/aesthetic problems too).

[Jibba]

I'm guessing the JGMA projects will be precast panel - that seems to be the hot material right now for all kinds of subsidized housing in Chicago.

Actually the YIMBY article does specify a metal panel. Interesting - I assume that means the buildings will be stick framed.

I go back and forth on the style question - you don't want to stigmatize residents by making their buildings stand out starkly, but you can argue the stigma would exist regardless. I think the colors are pretty cheery and there is attention paid to outdoor and common space that wouldn't exist in a more traditional format.

Yeah, I suppose I'm ambivalent about them too, the more I look at them. The colors are punchy but then maybe not in a good way, I dunno. I like them more (in theory) than the hipped roof/siding/brick format. All the crisp angles and hard materials with the kinetic offset between floors starts to verge into something jarring and sharp rather than welcoming, but if they likewise create a beacon of fresh optimism in their local environment, that's a nice quality, certainly. I really like the way a similar concept is rendered in a lot of the Landon Bone Baker stuff, and I suppose these could turn out similarly nicely.

[ardecila]

gotcha. this is all about accessibilty. that would've been helpful to know.

i generally MUCH prefer the "ground" floor of a residential building to be at least a handful of risers above grade, but yeah, that comes with inherent non-accessbility issues for small-scale multi-family.

Yeah for privacy concerns I agree with you. Personally I would much rather be 3 ft above the sidewalk than directly at the same level. In large buildings you can use elevators to provide accessibility, but for the 2-6 unit buildings that dominate many Chicago neighborhoods, you have to make some big tradeoffs for accessibility since elevators don't fit in the budget.

in that light, it's a fine work around, but i still don't like the scale imbalance in the first image of the new 2 story accessbilbe 3-flat up against a traditional 3-flat. not sure i have any better ideas though (ramps and other lower-cost elevation change solutions typically come with their own set of functional/aesthetic problems too).

I suspect also that the design is stick-framed wood (Type V-B). This is the cheapest way to build, but Chicago code limits this type to only two stories with a sprinkler system.

In areas with expensive land, builders will use a more expensive construction type (masonry or steel) to use the land efficiently. In Homan Square where the land is basically free, the incentive is to build as cheaply as possible in order to stretch your limited housing budget. Going from wood to masonry might mean they have to cut one or two housing units out of the project.

[Rizzo]

It’s really not often you see supportive housing in a townhouse style format. I suppose that’s to separate itself from the feel of concentrated housing. Though to be fair to multi-level elevator buildings, nearly 100% of the units can be accessible and you can save money on land costs. It probably looks so out of place because it’s right up against a 4 story building. But these would probably fit in with the scale adjacent to Chicago bungalows.

Not sure how I feel about the bright colors. I’ve always felt the overall envelope should convey the natural color of the material while windows and doors and railing elements can be the bright accents…which are always changeable

The design reminds me of these 3D printed homes in Austin with the bright panel surrounds. I actually think the Austin designs have more in common with Chicago where there’s the expressive natural texture of their construction. In this case, the layers of printed concrete would look very contextual with Chicago’s crude common brick walls.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tiny-home-village-in-austin-3d-printed-for-the-homeless-2020-3?amp

[west-town-brad]

as of this afternoon, the general iron @ Lincoln Yards/Lincoln Park is now mostly demolished.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/11/09/general-irons-lincoln-park-facility-will-soon-be-demolished-alderman-vows-no-repeat-of-hilco-disaster/

[Busy Bee]

One of the first permits issued for several JGMA designed 3-flats in Homan Square. Certainly these are the most, let's say, unique 3-flats I've seen

https://i0.wp.com/www.austinweeklynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Homan-Square-Groundbreaking-01.jpg?resize=780%2C684&ssl=1

https://chicagoyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Homan-Square-01-1024x576.png
https://chicagoyimby.com/2022/12/permits-issued-for-homan-square-supportive-mixed-use-development.html


Well that certainly is... something.

It's hard to understand how a design firm could feel good about doing that... actually making that become an actual thing in that actual place.

[Toasty Joe]

ya looks like a po-mo prison complex

[gandalf612]

These are not too different from the commie blocks I grew up in Poland, which are gradually getting painted over to (quite successfully) make them less dreary. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.2672298,22.5494845,3a,90y,321.2h,74.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOdro9Y1RC9XSTnPBBAGITA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Except they paint the whole building and use pastels which looks better IMO.

[oakesd88]

I'm looking at how nice the next-door brownstone is.

[nomarandlee]

These are not too different from the commie blocks I grew up in Poland, which are gradually getting painted over to (quite successfully) make them less dreary. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.2672298,22.5494845,3a,90y,321.2h,74.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOdro9Y1RC9XSTnPBBAGITA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Except they paint the whole building and use pastels which looks better IMO.

Those look pretty nice. 90% is about upkeep. Such designs will look plenty fine if you paint regularly and do basic maintenance. If you don't, they'll look like trash in 10 years.

It does seem like the Homan Square designers may be trying to ride the wave of box-container chic a bit too readily though.

[untitledreality]

https://i0.wp.com/www.austinweeklynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Homan-Square-Groundbreaking-01.jpg?resize=780%2C684&ssl=1



Now show us what happens when the neighboring lot gets developed.

I understand the need, I understand the limitations, I don't find the result critically thought out.

[twister244]

Not really news, but yesterday I went to work out of the new WeWork in Uptown in the BridgeView Bank. Was super impressed! It kinda reminded me of some of the WeWork I went to in Paris last year that were retrofitted into super old buildings. Not many folks inside of it though, which was disappointing. I really hope it picks up though as it's such a cool little area right by the Uptown Theater (crossing fingers financing falls into place to renovate that in the future).

https://www.wework.com/buildings/bridgeview-bank-uptown--chicago--IL

[Jibba]

Not really news, but yesterday I went to work out of the new WeWork in Uptown in the BridgeView Bank. Was super impressed! It kinda reminded me of some of the WeWork I went to in Paris last year that were retrofitted into super old buildings. Not many folks inside of it though, which was disappointing. I really hope it picks up though as it's such a cool little area right by the Uptown Theater (crossing fingers financing falls into place to renovate that in the future).

https://www.wework.com/buildings/bridgeview-bank-uptown--chicago--IL

Someone I know tried to get a space there and was told there weren't any available. So seems like it leased/subscribed (whatever...) quickly.

[Randomguy34]

1257 W Roosevelt got construction permits yesterday

https://chicagoyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/View-of-1257-W-Roosevelt-Road-at-Roosevelt-Square-3B.-Rendering-by-DesignBridge-1024x560.jpg
https://chicagoyimby.com/2022/02/city-council-approves-funds-for-roosevelt-square-in-near-west-side.html

[twister244]

Someone I know tried to get a space there and was told there weren't any available. So seems like it leased/subscribed (whatever...) quickly.

I would hope that's the case. They did just open last week, so maybe it's going to fill up over time. I would love to see it succeed in the neighborhood.

[SamInTheLoop]

According to the firm representing the condo sales, Phase 1 of "Archer Center", the 170+ condo unit development in the 3200 block of S Archer Ave, is sold out and they're going to start phase 2 construction soon (or already have).

Pretty ugly buildings (makes sense TBH) but hopefully they fill up some of the ground floor business spaces and I guess it's nice added density to what used to be a scrap yard

https://www.google.com/maps/place/3218+S+Archer+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60608/@41.8358749,-87.6686064,3a,75y,282.28h,96.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgdf1lVdqcfeb_eQuc-GGHw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880e2dc78d4490f3:0x9fff69cffba32316!8m2!3d41.8359351!4d-87.6692643

In case anybody wants to know what these units are like inside LOL. The price per square foot if the square footage is even accurate is actually kind of high for the area..
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/3218-S-Archer-Ave-60608/unit-403/home/181828323


These are incredibly awful. Out of curiosity, why does that awfulness make sense to you? There's really no reason for it, it's practically gratuitous. Could do something at a pretty similar price point that sucks 75% less.

[west-town-brad]

These are incredibly awful. Out of curiosity, why does that awfulness make sense to you? There's really no reason for it, it's practically gratuitous. Could do something at a pretty similar price point that sucks 75% less.

I would assume sold to small time, first time, wanabe landlords.

These condos make me sad.

[Via Chicago]

i cant imagine paying $260,000 actual US dollars for that

[SamInTheLoop]

Well that certainly is... something.

It's hard to understand how a design firm could feel good about doing that... actually making that become an actual thing in that actual place.

My issue is actually less with the design (though there's clearly room for improvement) than the scale. These should definitely be at least 3 floors, preferably 4. At 2, I think they appear a little silly.

[SamInTheLoop]

i cant imagine paying $260,000 actual US dollars for that

It's like there's some sort of captive audience for these. It's deliberate junk, and there are takers.

[Via Chicago]

aesthetics/build quality aside, youre also wedged in directly next to the expressway (horrific air quality) and nothing within walking distance. just cant understand who it would appeal to at that price point

heres a timber loft duplex in bridgeport, more than double the size, right off the booming halsted strip, for less than 20k more. and a hell of a nicer place to come home to.

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/3500-S-Sangamon-St-60609/unit-113/home/12639812

[marothisu]

These are incredibly awful. Out of curiosity, why does that awfulness make sense to you? There's really no reason for it, it's practically gratuitous. Could do something at a pretty similar price point that sucks 75% less.

Out of curiosity - did you miss the "LOL" that clearly shows I think these units are a joke? Did you miss when I said the price per square footage (if accurate) is high for the area? Or are you just assuming things based on nothing that I even said. Maybe you should stop assuming.

[marothisu]

aesthetics/build quality aside, youre also wedged in directly next to the expressway (horrific air quality) and nothing within walking distance. just cant understand who it would appeal to at that price point

heres a timber loft duplex in bridgeport, more than double the size, right off the booming halsted strip, for less than 20k more. and a hell of a nicer place to come home to.

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/3500-S-Sangamon-St-60609/unit-113/home/12639812

Not to get into a big thing about this, but the Archer development's clientele are those who came here from China and to some, this type of location isn't even a big deal to them. Location does suck, but you'd be surprised - my guess is that they will try and build up the ground floor space with more Chinese businesses (like what they did a little with the smaller Halsted & 26th). I just wouldn't count out the ability to attract business within their community if they have ~200 units that end up being mostly occupied. There's even a Chinese bakery that opened up recently on Ashland decently closeby to this that relocated from Chinatown. These units (and location) obviously suck but it'll be interesting to see, given that they're apparently selling out, if it brings some new business to the general are.

[Via Chicago]

i guess im just not sure what difference that makes. whether youre from a different country or not, presumably if youre considering dropping good money on a unit youre still capable of making A/B comparisons on similar priced units within a 1/4-1/2 mile radius. im just not clear what the advantage is of buying this over anything else considering the premium. but as you said, clearly some people have decided its what they want. who knows.

[marothisu]

i guess im just not sure what difference that makes. whether youre from a different country or not, presumably if youre considering dropping good money on a unit youre still capable of making A/B comparisons on similar priced units within a 1/4-1/2 mile radius. im just not clear what the advantage is of buying this over anything else considering the premium. but as you said, clearly some people have decided its what they want. who knows.

If you have spent time in China, away from the tourist areas, and where people live you'll know there's a lot of people willing to buy there in areas that are very much in progress like this area of Archer. As long as there's a few things to walk to, which im sure they will work on, many won't have an issue with it. I also think you are underestimating a lot of Americans' ability to live in "whatever" areas.

I have also seen this play out in Queens when I lived there. Many times. There's a bunch of buildings built in auto sewer areas next to auto body shops and a quarter mile walk to Burger King. Nothing of note for everyday life nearbh. For $500K 1 bedrooms. People still bought them up.

[BrinChi]

Yeah I mean if people will move to the exurbs where they have to drive 15 min to anything, I don't see why a similar concept would apply in the city (where you have to walk 15 min to get to anything lol). It seems like most Americans will sacrifice location and pay a premium for nice new housing (that's still more affordable than equivalent housing in a better location).

[marothisu]

Yeah I mean if people will move to the exurbs where they have to drive 15 min to anything, I don't see why a similar concept would apply in the city (where you have to walk 15 min to get to anything lol). It seems like most Americans will sacrifice location and pay a premium for nice new housing (that's still more affordable than equivalent housing in a better location).

Being in or near a certain community has its perks, however

[Chisouthside]

Marothisu, what's the name of the bakery? Would like to try.

[marothisu]

Marothisu, what's the name of the bakery? Would like to try.

Captain Bakery - 33rd and Ashland. There's another in Bridgeport that opened a few months back that's pretty good too called Nia.

[Chisouthside]

Captain Bakery - 33rd and Ashland. There's another in Bridgeport that opened a few months back that's pretty good too called Nia.
Thank you!
And also to chime in , those condos for sure are kinda ugly but despite archer being a autosewer theres plenty of things to walk to in the area.

[marothisu]

4 recent new construction building permit issuances. Someone already wrote about the new 6 story, 70 unit building permitted on Wednesday at a vacant lot at Roosevelt and Throop too so I'll skip that. In total, 250 new units permitted in the last week (tho 64 of them were originally permitted for basic permits in late Oct) across 2 new 5 story buildings, a 6 story building, a 4 story building, and 9 story building. 4 of those 5 buildings are going on vacant lots and another is going in place of a 1 story strip mall with small surface lot.

1) New 5 story, 56 unit building at 2924 W Medill in Logan Square. This is currently a vacant lot (https://www.google.com/maps/place/2924+W+Medill+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60647/@41.9238069,-87.7008428,3a,75y,22.25h,93.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEq6MmEglFW9yU0AjapCvkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fcd6309ecb4c9:0x4775b37656bd5741!8m2!3d41.924067!4d-87.700888) a few blocks from the California Blue Line stop and a block parallel to Milwaukee Ave. New construction permit was issued last Friday 12/2.


From: https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/03/29/developers-will-pitch-plan-to-build-56-unit-apartment-complex-on-project-logan-site-in-april/
https://lede-admin.blockclubchicago.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2020/12/rendering-4.jpg



2) New 5 story, 42 unit building with ground floor retail at Farragut & Lincoln just north of Foster. Issued a permit last Friday 12/2. This was recently a 1 story strip mall with small surface lot (https://www.google.com/maps/place/2505+W+Farragut+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60625/@41.9767683,-87.6925251,3a,75y,207.73h,92.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_t-zaJyRsB2rx4FGlh6kwQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fd1ff4c9f1799:0xc2cd5f3fd85c2645!8m2!3d41.9767742!4d-87.6924706), which was torn down earlier this year for this project. The developer, Regency Developer Group, is based in Northbrook and has some projects in the city, and has recently been branching out to develop a few in South Florida. This site is a block from another one of their projects (I think) at the intersection of Foster & Lincoln - also a 5 story, 42 unit building that was issued a permit in early October 2022. Both projects have architect as John Hanna.

More cookie cutter stuff, but I guess between these 2 buildings it's decent density for the area (84 new units on 2 new 5 story buildings, and a 1 story strip mall with small surface lot bites the dust for one of them.

From https://chicagoyimby.com/2021/01/zoning-approved-for-mixed-use-development-at-5214-n-lincoln-avenue-in-lincoln-square.html
https://chicagoyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/5214-N-Lincoln-Avenue.-Rendering-by-Hanna-Architects-1024x642.jpg

3) Panoptic is building a new 4 story, 18 unit building with ground floor retail on Western & Farragut just north of Foster. The building permit for it was issued last Friday 12/2. This is currently a surface parking lot and a 1 story former bank building - 5235 N Western Ave. This is a big 18 units as apparently all of them are 4 bedrooms each. This is a block or so due west of the building in #2 above.



More recently: https://www.google.com/maps/place/5235+N+Western+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60625/@41.9769668,-87.6891227,3a,75y,57.65h,84.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCGW2SJ81SmzlNu7TI-WFNg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fd1f86a70ad55:0x7addce1e05404945!8m2!3d41.976998!4d-87.6891234

From http://www.panopticgroup.com/current-projects
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/53ea61e7e4b0966a11eeb437/1656524934516-3A5MX8VAJVBTGKU1X56P/t2.jpg?format=1000w

A premier contemporary industrial chic 18 unit building with an elevator and indoor heated garage parking. The building features single family like units with 4 bedroom each and attached heated 2 car parking garage for all units. Units will have private balconies and deck spaces. All Penthouse units will have great Chicago Skyline Views especially from the Roof Decks. Delivery is estimated Winter 2023.

4) Not sure if anyone wrote about it, but 1203 N California (California & Division) on a vacant lot (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9030133,-87.6969377,3a,75y,38.24h,88.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s03tIWqpCwUydBH5KQQSDeQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D03tIWqpCwUydBH5KQQSDeQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D136.70454%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) across from Humboldt Park was issued new construction permits in late October as well as Tuesday 12/6. This will be a new 9 story, 95 foot tall affordable housing development from the Hispanic Housing Development Corporation and will have 64 apartments and ground floor commercial space.

From https://chicagoyimby.com/2021/12/plan-commission-approves-affordable-housing-development-at.html
https://chicagoyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1203-N-California-Ave-01-1024x571.png

[ardecila]

4 recent new construction building permit issuances. Someone already wrote about the new 6 story, 70 unit building permitted on Wednesday at a vacant lot at Roosevelt and Throop too so I'll skip that.

1257 W Roosevelt got construction permits yesterday

FINALLY. Feels like it's been forever since I attended a public meeting for this, in the depths of the pandemic. We've got to get faster at building these mixed-income projects if we're ever gonna make a dent in the housing crisis. The community is fed up, this is why there's such anger at the Chicago Fire training facility.

Hopefully the other permit for the matching 2nd building on Roosevelt, and the mixed-use building at Taylor/Racine will come very soon as well.

[Steely Dan]

3) Panoptic is building a new 4 story, 18 unit building with ground floor retail on Western & Farragut just north of Foster. The building permit for it was issued last Friday 12/2. This is currently a surface parking lot and a 1 story former bank building - 5235 N Western Ave. This is a big 18 units as apparently all of them are 4 bedrooms each. This is a block or so due west of the building in #2 above.



More recently: https://www.google.com/maps/place/5235+N+Western+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60625/@41.9769668,-87.6891227,3a,75y,57.65h,84.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCGW2SJ81SmzlNu7TI-WFNg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fd1f86a70ad55:0x7addce1e05404945!8m2!3d41.976998!4d-87.6891234

From http://www.panopticgroup.com/current-projects
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/53ea61e7e4b0966a11eeb437/1656524934516-3A5MX8VAJVBTGKU1X56P/t2.jpg?format=1000w




wow!

18 4-bedroom units?

you don't see that everyday.

and it eats up a stupid old suburban-style branch bank with parking lot and drive-thru!

too bad the parking ratio is super-sized to match.

oh well, can't win 'em all.



and with the two nearby projects over on lincoln, that's a total of 102 new units for north lincoln sqaure!

we need more of this stuff to keep offsetting the 2-flat decons around here. i'd love to see the trend migrate over to the western/foster intersection. it's currently a trainwreck shitshow development-wise: a gas station, a 7-11 with parking lot, an autorepair shop with parking lot, and a small gyros joint with parking lot.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9758661,-87.689096,3a,90y,273.86h,91.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI0sRjVSLZVfr3sB4l4ApmA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

get rid of all that shit!

[Steely Dan]

While we're on the topic of Lincoln square, here's a rendering of the other midrise development from Regency at the SE corner of Lincoln/Foster. It received it's permit back in October and demolition on the old Jimmy's pizza building is currently underway (a shame because unlike that craptacular strip mall just up the street that got demo'ed for their other project, the Jimmy's pizza building was a handsome 2 story red brick and terra cotta classic Chicago corner building).

https://lede-admin.blockclubchicago.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-16-at-6.52.38-AM.png?resize=1366,875

[marothisu]

While we're on the topic of Lincoln square, here's a rendering of the other midrise development from Regency at the SE corner of Lincoln/Foster. It received it's permit back in October and demolition on the old Jimmy's pizza building is currently underway (a shame because unlike that craptacular strip mall just up the street that got demo'ed for their other project, the Jimmy's pizza building was a handsome 2 story red brick and terra cotta classic Chicago corner building).



Just a tiny bit south at 5113 N Lincoln as well, the site of this 2 story building (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Rainbow+Tacos/@41.974489,-87.6922107,3a,75y,66.58h,95.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_5J0cKR5sxEgwnMDXvFR2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x880fd202161e4bf1:0xb60f4a71c73a31ce!2s5113+N+Lincoln+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60625!3b1!8m2!3d41.9745184!4d-87.6920515!3m4!1s0x880fd320d0720189:0xcdc516f1af39e96e!8m2!3d41.974755!4d-87.6920959) has a zoning app to replace it with a new 4 story (46' tall) building with 9 units and ground floor commercial.

This 4 story building (https://www.google.com/maps/place/5137+N+Lincoln+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60625/@41.9751268,-87.6923138,3a,75y,91.59h,100.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMXnNJZ3dv2E41Aoncn59Iw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fd2021068d4af:0xb47076f31baa3240!8m2!3d41.9751373!4d-87.6921059) was also built in 2019 at 5137 N Lincoln, which was a vacant lot for 4 or 5 years before that.


Would be awesome if that area turned into a lot of 5+ story buildings on Lincoln at least.

[thegoatman]

Just a tiny bit south at 5113 N Lincoln as well, the site of this 2 story building (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Rainbow+Tacos/@41.974489,-87.6922107,3a,75y,66.58h,95.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_5J0cKR5sxEgwnMDXvFR2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x880fd202161e4bf1:0xb60f4a71c73a31ce!2s5113+N+Lincoln+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60625!3b1!8m2!3d41.9745184!4d-87.6920515!3m4!1s0x880fd320d0720189:0xcdc516f1af39e96e!8m2!3d41.974755!4d-87.6920959) has a zoning app to replace it with a new 4 story (46' tall) building with 9 units and ground floor commercial.

This 4 story building (https://www.google.com/maps/place/5137+N+Lincoln+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60625/@41.9751268,-87.6923138,3a,75y,91.59h,100.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMXnNJZ3dv2E41Aoncn59Iw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fd2021068d4af:0xb47076f31baa3240!8m2!3d41.9751373!4d-87.6921059) was also built in 2019 at 5137 N Lincoln, which was a vacant lot for 4 or 5 years before that.


Would be awesome if that area turned into a lot of 5+ story buildings on Lincoln at least.

5137 is very handsome. great infill.

[urbanpln]

If you have spent time in China, away from the tourist areas, and where people live you'll know there's a lot of people willing to buy there in areas that are very much in progress like this area of Archer. As long as there's a few things to walk to, which im sure they will work on, many won't have an issue with it. I also think you are underestimating a lot of Americans' ability to live in "whatever" areas.

I have also seen this play out in Queens when I lived there. Many times. There's a bunch of buildings built in auto sewer areas next to auto body shops and a quarter mile walk to Burger King. Nothing of note for everyday life nearbh. For $500K 1 bedrooms. People still bought them up.

The explanation above is why I don't have a big problem with this new development. Yes, they are not very attractive and seem cheap, but they offer a product that could potentially help the city to grow. Inexpensive housing that will attract a growing immigrant population so that it doesn't have to go to the burbs. I drive down this stretch of Archer once a week. It has a lot of character in some areas but will never be a prime location due to its stroad like nature and close proximity to the expressway. A new population of immigrants could give this corridor a boast. It might not meet the expectations of many on this forum but it could be interesting.

There is also potential for parts of Archer to be built up with more density, and for BRT to be considered. It runs north and south between the airport and downtown cutting through Chinatown and many Latin neighborhoods. This could be one piece of the puzzle that helps the city grow in population.

[marothisu]

New zoning app up to build a new 5 story, almost 70 foot tall, building with 136 apartments and only 34 parking spots at Fremont just south of Weed St. It is currently a surface parking lot and is next to SoNu Digs, near SoNo East, and a block from the new Big Deahl development under construction. It is a block or 2 at most from the North & Clybourn Red Line stop.

[ardecila]

I drive down this stretch of Archer once a week. It has a lot of character in some areas but will never be a prime location due to its stroad like nature and close proximity to the expressway. A new population of immigrants could give this corridor a boast. It might not meet the expectations of many on this forum but it could be interesting.

It doesn't have to be a stroad though... it should be the south side version of Milwaukee Ave with 1 lane in each direction and bike lanes. Road diet now!

Especially when there's an expressway that parallels it, no excuse for such a huge auto sewer.

[urbanpln]

It doesn't have to be a stroad though... it should be the south side version of Milwaukee Ave with 1 lane in each direction and bike lanes. Road diet now!

Especially when there's an expressway that parallels it, no excuse for such a huge auto sewer.

Totally agree but that would piss off a lot of people on the near southwest side

[Rizzo]

Perhaps in the instance where Archer continues to densify with 4-5 story residential stuff, the residents and businesses on the avenue would feel encouraged by a road diet that would make it more desirable to walk, bike, and even feel safer parking a car versus a 4-lane expressway. In that case the constituents immediately adjacent would have a stronger voice. Of course someone 5 blocks away will want a wider avenue because they can drive to the expressway faster.

[emailspyro@gmail.com]

Do you all think it’s possible to turn some streets into One way streets so that we create ample space for bicycles? For example, what if Wilson, Armitage, Damen etc only ran in one direction with one lane? This would really impact ability to get around but would turn these sheets into bicycle heavens. If you travel Wilson East or West and now you are only able to go East let’s say… is it that big of a deal to use Nearby Lawrence or Montrose instead ?
Why do all our larger streets have to be two way? In Europe that’s not the case…

[Rizzo]

^ One ways are a bad word in planning and avoided because there’s so many problems with one way arterials. It will:

1. Result in higher vehicular speeds as there is no opposing traffic
2. Push arterial traffic to quiet residential streets that’s against the flow
3. Be problematic for buses.
4. Be chaotic at river crossings

Of course narrowing arterials to increase bike and pedestrians accommodations would amazing……for that street only. It would then be hell for pedestrians and bicyclists on quiet residential streets where all that displaced traffic shifts to.

[gandalf612]

Do you all think it’s possible to turn some streets into One way streets so that we create ample space for bicycles? For example, what if Wilson, Armitage, Damen etc only ran in one direction with one lane? This would really impact ability to get around but would turn these sheets into bicycle heavens. If you travel Wilson East or West and now you are only able to go East let’s say… is it that big of a deal to use Nearby Lawrence or Montrose instead ?
Why do all our larger streets have to be two way? In Europe that’s not the case…

Look at Grand and Illinois in River North (one way arterials) vs Chicago or Division east of the river. Grand and Illinois are so much worse for pedestrians and cyclists. Drivers don't respect crosswalks, take bizarre maneuvers to turn across multiple lanes, just complete pandemonium.

[emailspyro@gmail.com]

Look at Grand and Illinois in River North (one way arterials) vs Chicago or Division east of the river. Grand and Illinois are so much worse for pedestrians and cyclists. Drivers don't respect crosswalks, take bizarre maneuvers to turn across multiple lanes, just complete pandemonium.

Thank you all for responses. Good points. Clearly not the solution I thought the one ways could be.

[marothisu]

New zoning app up to build a new 5 story, almost 70 foot tall, building with 136 apartments and only 34 parking spots at Fremont just south of Weed St. It is currently a surface parking lot and is next to SoNu Digs, near SoNo East, and a block from the new Big Deahl development under construction. It is a block or 2 at most from the North & Clybourn Red Line stop.

Forgot to mention that there will be ground floor commercial space. Wish it were taller, but 136 apartments is a nice size density wise, and ~60 feet to the common roof could be worse. This little area is building some nice density. Hope they can build some more high rises there (I know there was another few nearby planned). Always good to see another surface lot be gobbled up.. Next they need to start gobbling up some of these ultra suburban retail buildings.

Zoning app: https://chicago.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5960802&GUID=8B28C2E8-F42C-45DA-B1C5-026AF766594F&Options=Advanced&Search=

Here's the drawing:
https://i.imgur.com/yER6dgw.png

[OrdoSeclorum]

Do you all think it’s possible to turn some streets into One way streets so that we create ample space for bicycles? For example, what if Wilson, Armitage, Damen etc only ran in one direction with one lane? This would really impact ability to get around but would turn these sheets into bicycle heavens. If you travel Wilson East or West and now you are only able to go East let’s say… is it that big of a deal to use Nearby Lawrence or Montrose instead ?
Why do all our larger streets have to be two way? In Europe that’s not the case…

In Europe, those one ways basically serve the function of urban freeways here.

In Austin, for example, a lot of their main urban roads are one way and I hate it. A four lane-two-way road feels sort of like a two-lane road. A four lane one-way road feels like a four-lane road.

[ardecila]

Look at Grand and Illinois in River North (one way arterials) vs Chicago or Division east of the river. Grand and Illinois are so much worse for pedestrians and cyclists. Drivers don't respect crosswalks, take bizarre maneuvers to turn across multiple lanes, just complete pandemonium.

I disagree. I think one-ways are preferred in a dense downtown environment; out in the neighborhoods it's a different story. And they shouldn't be too wide - two lanes max, with occasional turn lanes at intersections.

As a pedestrian or cyclist, it's easier to keep an eye on approaching traffic if you only need to look in one direction. Drivers can make left turns easier, so you don't get as much chaos at intersections.

West Loop for example could use some more one-ways going north-south. I'd love to see Halsted and Green turned into a one-way pair, or Racine/May.

[gandalf612]

Drivers can make left turns easier, so you don't get as much chaos at intersections.

Except drivers are without exception idiots and they cannot be trusted to know which way the one way cross streets go, and end up turning from middle lanes, stopping awkwardly in the middle of the intersection, running red light because there space in an adjacent lane past the intersection. There's a quite popular Twitter account that's almost entirely videos from a one way street intersection downtown that a guy takes out his window while WFH. I'll try and remember the username, when you see the videos you'll very quickly take back your claim of less chaos.

[west-town-brad]

As a pedestrian or cyclist, it's easier to keep an eye on approaching traffic if you only need to look in one direction.

never never never never never would I just look one way before crossing a one way street. the way people driver here.... no chance.

[west-town-brad]

https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/12/13/cta-primed-to-buy-land-along-red-line-extensions-path-as-transit-tif-gets-key-city-approval/

I think it's fun to see new transit projects but honestly I'm so perplexed by this plan to extend the red line so far south at the cost of $3.6 billion (current budget, expect it to be 2x), when we have existing transit lines running through communities that need transit access, but have no usable stations. Stations either that are boarded up, have been torn down, or never existed.

that includes the Green Line on the west and south sides, Brown Line on the near north side, Blue Line on the west side.... how many stations can we get on existing lines in neighborhoods with comparable population levels for the cost of this project to 130th street?

to have a transit line running through your neighborhood with no usable station feels like a giant F-U to those residents.

[ardecila]

Not really the thread for this discussion, but the best thing I can say about Red Line Extension is that maybe it creates an appetite for more transit expansions after 3 decades of nothing. And seeing the big gantry putting up the new Red Line viaduct in Edgewater has created some genuine excitement too - people are happy to see big things being done for transit instead of just more highways. If only our leaders would take note and put forward a big transit package like LA/Seattle/Denver, or what SF is gearing up for.

never never never never never would I just look one way before crossing a one way street. the way people driver here.... no chance.

Obviously you glance the other way, but you don't have to actively monitor two directions of traffic like a Frogger game.

Except drivers are without exception idiots

I'm with you so far. I travel a lot for work and Chicago drivers seem uniquely aggressive and impatient compared to drivers on both coasts. The Midwest and South are really the worst car culture.

and they cannot be trusted to know which way the one way cross streets go, and end up turning from middle lanes, stopping awkwardly in the middle of the intersection, running red light because there space in an adjacent lane past the intersection. There's a quite popular Twitter account that's almost entirely videos from a one way street intersection downtown that a guy takes out his window while WFH. I'll try and remember the username, when you see the videos you'll very quickly take back your claim of less chaos.

All of these things happen at regular 4-way intersections too. Shitty aggro drivers don't magically get better in the presence of oncoming traffic.

[Jibba]

I'm with you so far. I travel a lot for work and Chicago drivers seem uniquely aggressive and impatient compared to drivers on both coasts. The Midwest and South are really the worst car culture.

I've heard this from people who move here from out East. It's upsetting to hear about; I would have thought aggressive, non-respectful driving would be a national thing. It's really been pathetic here the past couple of years.

Belmont by me finally received some minor improvements between Ashland and Clark (sidewalk bump-outs at crosswalks, painted bike lanes [instead of sharrow]). I noticed recently that Ashland has pedestrian-oriented traffic calming measures at certain intersections in the 4000 blocks (flexible bollards to try to curb cutting corners(?)).

Playing the averages, driving behavior probably tracks with median income, sadly.

[marothisu]

Forgot to mention that there will be ground floor commercial space. Wish it were taller, but 136 apartments is a nice size density wise, and ~60 feet to the common roof could be worse. This little area is building some nice density. Hope they can build some more high rises there (I know there was another few nearby planned). Always good to see another surface lot be gobbled up.. Next they need to start gobbling up some of these ultra suburban retail buildings.

Zoning app: https://chicago.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5960802&GUID=8B28C2E8-F42C-45DA-B1C5-026AF766594F&Options=Advanced&Search=



The project is from CityPads who will target kind of smaller units, although not all of them totally small (i.e. 1 bedroom apartments could go around or above 700 sq ft). They have a few other projects like this more in like Edgewater and Evanston.

I totally forgot this is the site of the formerly proposed Aloft hotel site. There's also a bldup page about a parking lot across the street but I'm not able to view it. Anyone have access? (https://www.bldup.com/projects/1520-n-fremont)


Rendering from Crains:
https://s3-prod.chicagobusiness.com/styles/width_792/s3/Enscape_2022-07-13-08-43-32.jpg

[Jibba]

https://i.imgur.com/xMDN9eSl.jpg
S side of School just W of Clark

https://i.imgur.com/cnPWcb6l.jpg
E side of Clark just N of Belmont

[marothisu]

Proposal for 47th & St. Lawrence. This is for 6 stories, 70 feet tall for 26 new units (3 of which will be "affordable") with retail space, a medical office, fitness center, and restaurant as well as 37 parking spaces. The commercial space (counting the fitness center) will be nearly 47,000 sq ft of this.

Currently a vacant lot (https://www.google.com/maps/place/4701+S+St+Lawrence+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60653/@41.8094381,-87.6114222,3a,75y,135.93h,91.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s19Cb9C8A2DjaemtBQaevdg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880e295121d9e5d9:0x20703b5ea5ca16ea!8m2!3d41.8094492!4d-87.6114582). There was a 6 unit + commercial building issued a permit for part of the vacant lot across the street to the west in late October.


https://i.imgur.com/jxVbbPt.png

[marothisu]

https://i.imgur.com/xMDN9eSl.jpg
S side of School just W of Clark


This is across the street from the new-ish 8 story Panorama residential building too.


https://i.imgur.com/cnPWcb6l.jpg
E side of Clark just N of Belmont

The site of this was a long time surface parking lot. Across the street from that 7 or 8 story building put up a handful of years ago and another one at 6 or 7 stories.

[r18tdi]

Proposal for 47th & St. Lawrence.

Same project?

https://chicago.urbanize.city/post/cod-reviews-bella-noir-wellness-hub

[marothisu]

Same project?

https://chicago.urbanize.city/post/cod-reviews-bella-noir-wellness-hub

Yup. I didn't know they had renderings but I like that a bit.


A few more new zoning apps to go along with the 2 I've reported on already:

1) 1887 N Milwaukee Ave. Construct a new 4 story, 15 unit building with a day care on the ground floor level. Currently a 2 story vacant building that used to be an auto body shop (https://www.google.com/maps/place/1887+N+Milwaukee+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60647/@41.9158266,-87.6859153,3a,75y,46.72h,92.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2cou5_R4f6obpaOkBdbHTQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fd2bd7c0b754d:0x8cf4231e2dec71f9!8m2!3d41.9159489!4d-87.6856056). This is a block or 2 from the Western Blue Line stop and it only calls for 2 parking spots.

https://i.imgur.com/Y3e9JlV.png

https://chicago.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5966338&GUID=2F0E4406-B67D-4608-9787-D68C7DFA1235&Options=Advanced&Search=

2) New 6 story (70 foot tall), 8 unit building at 453 W Briar Pl in Lakeview East, just south of Belmont and just east of Broadway. Replaces at least 1 2 story 2 unit building (maybe 2 of them) (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9387352,-87.6416014,3a,75y,210.36h,94.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXmLSmIIRy12QGUpGnXepSg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

https://chicago.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5965653&GUID=DEDE14A6-8BA9-41E6-892B-46CDED8DF88F&Options=Advanced&Search=

https://i.imgur.com/9FtBg6k.png


3) A new 4 story (50 foot tall), 25 unit building with 8 parking spots at 6301 S Western Ave. It's currently a vacant 3 story building (https://www.google.com/maps/place/6301+S+Western+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60636/@41.7791924,-87.6836086,3a,75y,149.44h,92.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDgn5VpM7m1PJpS3CGjuemA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880e2e336f6ef401:0x7e52d1aefb0dc9e6!8m2!3d41.7790059!4d-87.6833342)

https://chicago.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5964463&GUID=BA2EA59F-2F92-4E4B-9209-50270E6BD6B5&Options=Advanced&Search=

4) A new 4 story, 7 unit + retail building at 1912 W Division St. This is currently a small surface parking lot (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9032418,-87.6754338,3a,75y,4.98h,89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWuQTQouoJejT34jWu6EP-A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) next to that Red Square bathhouse which has been a parking lot for at least 15 years.

https://chicago.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5965488&GUID=E08EADB4-A6EB-49D3-AF0C-853A5C48DD64&Options=Advanced&Search=

5) Lubavitch Mesivta of Chicago wants a build a new 3 story (almost 40 feet tall) Yeshiva/high school at California & Pratt. The site they purchased is currently a 1 story strip mall with a surface parking lot. (https://www.google.com/maps/place/6801+N+California+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60645/@42.0049315,-87.6997893,3a,75y,52.79h,86.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYanKKAu2Q3TOYEsB5_tLYg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fce27d18c88bf:0x5a1bddc23017390c!8m2!3d42.0051248!4d-87.6996647)

https://chicago.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5965502&GUID=0CE7968C-DFED-4437-B1F7-F9C94BA85996&Options=Advanced&Search=

Rendering from https://www.lubavitchmesivta.com/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/3580644/jewish/Building-Project.htm
https://i.imgur.com/Fk3M5rA.png

[Jibba]

2) New 6 story (70 foot tall), 8 unit building at 453 W Briar Pl in Lakeview East, just south of Belmont and just east of Broadway.

What on Earth.....

How many times can a front elevation be divided up in an idiotically desperate attempt at obfuscating the size of something.

Lakeview East Neighbors are like, "Fits the character of the neighborhood." LMAO.

[Toasty Joe]

2) New 6 story (70 foot tall), 8 unit building at 453 W Briar Pl in Lakeview East, just south of Belmont and just east of Broadway. Replaces at least 1 2 story 2 unit building (maybe 2 of them) (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9387352,-87.6416014,3a,75y,210.36h,94.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXmLSmIIRy12QGUpGnXepSg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

https://chicago.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5965653&GUID=DEDE14A6-8BA9-41E6-892B-46CDED8DF88F&Options=Advanced&Search=

https://i.imgur.com/9FtBg6k.png

odd - those structures appear to be in good shape and the house on the left could easily fetch $1.5M in this neighborhood...

[marothisu]

odd - those structures appear to be in good shape and the house on the left could easily fetch $1.5M in this neighborhood...

At 8 units over 6 stories and a structure this wide, I am guessing the new units will be over $1M each.

[BVictor1]

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/commercial-real-estate/farpoint-building-garfield-park-cta-center-buying-fulton-market-center

December 14, 2022 12:33 PM UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
Developer buying CTA's Fulton Market control center, building new one on West Side
DANNY ECKER

The Chicago Transit Authority has tapped Chicago-based Farpoint Development to build it a new control and training center in the Garfield Park neighborhood, part of a larger deal that will allow Farpoint to buy the CTA's current facility in the Fulton Market District and redevelop it with what could be a massive new project.

The CTA's board today unanimously approved an agreement with a Farpoint venture to develop a roughly $158 million, 150,000-square-foot complex on CTA-owned land near the intersection of Lake Street and Pulaski Avenue in Garfield Park, where it will consolidate its control center and a training center operations for CTA employees. Farpoint is expected to begin work on the project in 2024 and complete it in 2026, according to a CTA statement.


As part of the deal, Farpoint will buy the three-story building at 120 N. Racine Ave. that houses the existing CTA control center on its top floor.

The sale of the existing facility tees up what could be another major development project in the trendy Fulton Market neighborhood.


could ultimately demolish the existing building at the southwest corner of Racine Avenue and Randolph Street and develop a project larger than 1 million square feet, based on the size of the site and existing zoning rules.


They could build 1,000,000 sq ft AS OF RIGHT... And with possible bonuses :haha::tup::D

[streetline]

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/commercial-real-estate/farpoint-building-garfield-park-cta-center-buying-fulton-market-center

December 14, 2022 12:33 PM UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
Developer buying CTA's Fulton Market control center, building new one on West Side
DANNY ECKER












They could build 1,000,000 sq ft AS OF RIGHT... And with possible bonuses :haha::tup::D

It's not completely clear from the article, but if it includes the parking lots this could be even bigger than it sounds.

The CTA building at 120 N. Racine is ironically heavy on surface parking; the building and Lot A take up the full block it's on, and Lots B&C&D take up half of the block to the east all the way from Randolph to Washington. That's room for multiple towers on multiple blocks.

Also, I'm amused that even parcels south of Randolph are now called "Fulton Market" not "Randolph Fulton Market" or just "Randolph"; it wasn't too long ago that Fulton was the afterthought in that title.

[SolarWind]

November 1, 2022

https://imgur.com/R8AeoGy.jpg

[SolarWind]

December 8, 2022

https://imgur.com/TDq8IJk.jpg

https://imgur.com/VMkxKxl.jpg

[ardecila]

3) A new 4 story (50 foot tall), 25 unit building with 8 parking spots at 6301 S Western Ave. It's currently a vacant 3 story building (https://www.google.com/maps/place/6301+S+Western+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60636/@41.7791924,-87.6836086,3a,75y,149.44h,92.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDgn5VpM7m1PJpS3CGjuemA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880e2e336f6ef401:0x7e52d1aefb0dc9e6!8m2!3d41.7790059!4d-87.6833342)

This one hurts... why tear down a perfectly good building to put up another one of the same size?

https://www.remax.com/il/chicago/home-details/6301-s-western-ave-chicago-il-60636/9876385711073394884

The existing building is pretty deep floorplate for residential, but you could cut out a light court that also gives you the 8 parking spaces and an elevator tower.

[Jibba]

November 1, 2022

This is handsome, well-proportioned; the brick is nice. But that cornice is... unrefined. It needs relief, like a cove or cyma or something. Looks like money was spent -- why stop at the cornice? Sticks out like a sore thumb.

[left of center]

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/commercial-real-estate/farpoint-building-garfield-park-cta-center-buying-fulton-market-center


They could build 1,000,000 sq ft AS OF RIGHT... And with possible bonuses :haha::tup::D

Wowza! Anyone want to give Chase a call? :haha:

[marothisu]

Lakeview Lutheran Church, at 835 W Addison - near the Addison Red Line stop and a few blocks west of Halsted, is going to be torn down to build a new 6 story, 37 unit (affordable) building. City Council approved it yesterday although the zoning change was approved in 2020.

From the looks of it, maybe half of the existing surface parking lot may be built on. The design looks too suburban to me but if I had to take a positive away..I guess from a density and increase of height perspective it's good.

More current situation:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/835+W+Addison+St,+Chicago,+IL+60613/@41.9472781,-87.6507334,3a,75y,239.93h,92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8QzDTrWwmbh4p04la3yWdA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fd3b04dfa2b57:0xfa4617ad22169444!8m2!3d41.9471355!4d-87.6509619

https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/12/15/lakeview-lutheran-church-to-be-demolished-and-replaced-by-37-affordable-apartments-new-church/
https://lede-admin.blockclubchicago.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/11/835addison.jpeg?resize=1366,884

[west-town-brad]

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/restaurants/goose-island-beer-moving-chicago-brewpub-salt-shed

the original location of the Goose Island Brew Pub is relocating to 1200 W Blackhawk to be part of the Salt Shed development

[ardecila]

This is handsome, well-proportioned; the brick is nice. But that cornice is... unrefined. It needs relief, like a cove or cyma or something. Looks like money was spent -- why stop at the cornice? Sticks out like a sore thumb.

Because any real sculpted profile would get very expensive. It looks like they just did what they could with flat slabs of limestone.

So at the very least, it's a nice natural material that will patina nicely instead of cast stone or GFRC.

[untitledreality]

The design looks too suburban to me
It will fit in perfectly with the garbage police station and parking garage that permanently trashed (at least vacant lots have potential) that stretch of Addison a decade ago.

[Jibba]

It will fit in perfectly with the garbage police station and parking garage that permanently trashed (at least vacant lots have potential) that stretch of Addison a decade ago.

It's possible the final design will look a little different/better(?) -- Blockclub article mentions that they updated some aspects of the design after the TOD ordinance was expanded, and that rendering is very old.

[r18tdi]

Don't remember seeing this one before. Pretty damn suburban (which is on par for Austin), but better than nothing:

Closed Sears Site In Austin To Get $100 Million Medical Facility, Grocery Store, Townhomes And Apartments, Neighbors Told

https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/12/15/closed-sears-site-in-austin-to-get-100-million-medical-facility-grocery-store-townhomes-and-apartments-neighbors-told/

https://lede-admin.blockclubchicago.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/12/Rendering1.jpeg

[OrdoSeclorum]

Don't remember seeing this one before. Pretty damn suburban (which is on par for Austin), but better than nothing:

Closed Sears Site In Austin To Get $100 Million Medical Facility, Grocery Store, Townhomes And Apartments, Neighbors Told

https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/12/15/closed-sears-site-in-austin-to-get-100-million-medical-facility-grocery-store-townhomes-and-apartments-neighbors-told/

https://lede-admin.blockclubchicago.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/12/Rendering1.jpeg

I'm not sure if this is what anyone would think of as "Austin". Probably more Galewood. You can walk to Dominican University from here. It's west of the Frank Lloyd Wright studio in Oak Park.

But right now it's an empty mall parking lot.

[marothisu]

I'm not sure if this is what anyone would think of as "Austin". Probably more Galewood. You can walk to Dominican University from here. It's west of the Frank Lloyd Wright studio in Oak Park.

But right now it's an empty mall parking lot.

Galewood is a neighborhood of Austin.

[Randomguy34]

Don't remember seeing this one before. Pretty damn suburban (which is on par for Austin), but better than nothing:

Closed Sears Site In Austin To Get $100 Million Medical Facility, Grocery Store, Townhomes And Apartments, Neighbors Told


The residential component from the old plan is back, with 125 apartments and 25 townhomes

[marothisu]

An Invest South/West project got a building permit yesterday - the Laramie State Bank redevelopment in Austin. The permit is to build a new 6 story building with 78 units on the mostly vacant site just to the west of the bank.

Streetview of the site: https://www.google.com/maps/place/5224+W+Chicago+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60651/@41.8949008,-87.7564974,3a,90y,1.73h,96.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqaHyLsOAiqhBFXX87vsAUw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880e33358075079f:0xd3da2328736e07ca!8m2!3d41.8952324!4d-87.7566321

Rendering via https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/06/16/laramie-state-bank-redevelopment-bringing-museum-housing-cafe-plaza-to-long-vacant-building-gets-key-city-approval/

https://lede-admin.blockclubchicago.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/06/Laramie-State-Bank-Redevelopment.jpg?crop=0px%2C0px%2C1342px%2C756px&resize=1200%2C675&w=1200

[r18tdi]

^ I fear this will look like complete crap after two or three Chicago winters...

[Jibba]

^ I fear this will look like complete crap after two or three Chicago winters...

It looks bad as a virtual thing in a rendering.

[SolarWind]

November 7, 2022

https://imgur.com/zIdFCjl.jpg

https://imgur.com/bZYsY4y.jpg

November 17, 2022

https://imgur.com/PNvqvfr.jpg

December 1, 2022

https://imgur.com/AuGZAYK.jpg

https://imgur.com/j7IVb8T.jpg

December 6, 2022

https://imgur.com/FLeEGFv.jpg

December 12, 2022

https://imgur.com/OLB4uIn.jpg

[SolarWind]

November 8, 2022

https://imgur.com/cDNOigU.jpg

https://imgur.com/KyKvXyN.jpg

https://imgur.com/wt4kylC.jpg

https://imgur.com/e94puYu.jpg

https://imgur.com/xdjrjR2.jpg

https://imgur.com/sdMF8ob.jpg

https://imgur.com/HPqUmIF.jpg

https://imgur.com/sAcfPTN.jpg

December 13, 2022

https://imgur.com/aipseVn.jpg

https://imgur.com/14nmpcV.jpg

[SolarWind]

November 15, 2022

https://imgur.com/Il4nMlS.jpg

https://imgur.com/qrAqDlC.jpg

[SolarWind]

December 13, 2022

https://imgur.com/U5Wnqk6.jpg

https://imgur.com/fTjDonM.jpg

[rivernorthlurker]

Wow!

November 7, 2022

December 1, 2022

https://imgur.com/j7IVb8T.jpg

[marothisu]

Demo permit was issued for 4102 N Sheridan to tear down the 1 story building there. The plans are to replace it with a 4 story, 32 unit building with 17 parking spaces. New construction permit isn't issued yet. This site is just a few blocks due north of the Sheridan Red Line stop.

Street view:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/4102+N+Sheridan+Rd,+Chicago,+IL+60613/@41.9571053,-87.654591,3a,75y,238.55h,96.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOfuQ1tA5bpjNy45H6zeZKw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fd3ca35a91687:0xea29b5c5d6218346!8m2!3d41.9575558!4d-87.6542094

Rendering via https://www.uptownupdate.com/2022/08/rendering-reveal-4102-n-sheridan.html
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjBLTGlqbiDFHN50TQgG3QiAQWQsmaZjAixFBewVpRHmNWupmdZo5DcXSCOtybvoqc97b-CaxiJDU48gwiK_8a3pbIE0qXVsFj9VPPrg8PevixreerPyXxdM-C5zEXOHjaTtCgqSH7E3gjgTXqyhk1yj-Z_qngA2QriR42toeG0-ieHMrFrZz2OthFALw/s689/4102Sherridan.png

[mh777]

November 15, 2022

https://imgur.com/Il4nMlS.jpg

https://imgur.com/qrAqDlC.jpg

Maybe I missed it, but what’s going here?

[west-town-brad]

^

their website says they "lost their lease"

if the sheriff is involved they got evicted

[r18tdi]

I say tear the Bellaluna building down and give this area a desperately needed pocket dog park. Or maybe skinny 7-story commercial/medical office building similar to 710 N. Dearborn.

[Rizzo]

I guess I never really noticed that the OCS south elevation really has no acknowledgment of its neighbor. Basically built as though the new plaza space and setback continued all the way through the block. A small cafe with more outdoor space to sit would still be nice there just as long as its a totally different building and not the cinder block sadness currently there

Also thanks for the detailed construction update solarwind

[Ricochet48]

I say tear the Bellaluna building down and give this area a desperately needed pocket dog park. Or maybe skinny 7-story commercial/medical office building similar to 710 N. Dearborn.

A little park there would be great. One Chicago should buy the land and make good use of it.

[SolarWind]

December 19, 2022

https://imgur.com/I8FBnDW.jpg

https://imgur.com/dip6AHb.jpg

[HomrQT]

I say tear the Bellaluna building down and give this area a desperately needed pocket dog park. Or maybe skinny 7-story commercial/medical office building similar to 710 N. Dearborn.

Or maybe a a little 4 story boutique building like the two little buildings attached to Rockefeller Center.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Funtappedcities.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F04%2FHoldouts-Sixth-Avenue-Rockefeller-Center-Townhouses-Magnolia-Bakery-Radio-City-NYC-768x512.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=f5e608ca7b9a9d8a8684aa11fff810f4b2ee84c4cca87ab9d998944a6c09f522&ipo=images

[rivernorthlurker]

Ahem, I think you mean the buildings that the Rockefeller Center is attached to :)

https://www.scoutingny.com/about-that-little-townhouse-on-sixth-avenue/

Or maybe a a little 4 story boutique building like the two little buildings attached to Rockefeller Center.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Funtappedcities.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F04%2FHoldouts-Sixth-Avenue-Rockefeller-Center-Townhouses-Magnolia-Bakery-Radio-City-NYC-768x512.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=f5e608ca7b9a9d8a8684aa11fff810f4b2ee84c4cca87ab9d998944a6c09f522&ipo=images

[BruceP]

Ahem, I think you mean the buildings that the Rockefeller Center is attached to :)

https://www.scoutingny.com/about-that-little-townhouse-on-sixth-avenue/

Right. The owners of these 2 properties (the other at the north corner of 6th Ave) refused to sell when Rock Center was being built on the 1930's. They were there 1st.

[rivernorthlurker]

Right. The owners of these 2 properties (the other at the north corner of 6th Ave) refused to sell when Rock Center was being built on the 1930's. They were there 1st.

Bellauna Cafe above is a pretty good analogy to that as they refused to sell to JDL for OCS I believe. But as Solar just posted above, seems they've gone out of business (by way of eviction). I wonder what the story is there.

[BruceP]

Bellauna Cafe above is a pretty good analogy to that as they refused to sell to JDL for OCS I believe. But as Solar just posted above, seems they've gone out of business (by way of eviction). I wonder what the story is there.

Bella Luna wasn't the owner of the building. The "Rock Center" building owners, so the story goes, kept turning down bigger and bigger offers until Rock Center finally told them to go get screwed. Likely, the OCS developers did the same. Those 2 properties likely aren't worth much - given the prime location - since you can't do much with them given their small floorplates. I used to live near Rock Center and the best they could ever do was rent the 1st 2 floors to some retail store or restaurant with the top 2 floors vacant. The Bella Luna site is worth even less. I used to go to Bella Luna 5 or 6 times a year because the food was OK and the prices not bad, but they were never even half full. Being that they were never anything to write home about and the location was crap, COVID probably finally did them in. I stopped going when the owner started vomiting out his right-wing opinions leading up to the 2016 presidential election.