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Old Posted Nov 23, 2021, 2:07 AM
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From what I can see of Lougheed, the grocery store looks like it will be mostly underground with a street-level entrance on the west side.

The Safeway on Austin in Coquitlam is above street level, you can enter it from the street but you have to go up a level, just like the one in Burquitlam. The Burquitlam store is always busy, the Austin one is quite dead, probably cause it's in a poorer area and is very high priced, Superstore is doable for most residents in that area. It's handy and a really nice store.

In Sydney Australia, I went to three grocery stores that were attached to stations or very close to them and they were all in the basement level and they had two levels, basement, and subbasement.

Also went to grocery stores in the downtowns of Perth and Melbourne and they were also in the basement levels of street retail. The subbasement of the Bay could be home to such a grocery store.

They weren't as spacious as a more suburban store but they weren't lacking anything.

the ceilings were quite low as you can see in this pic.

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Cheaper how?
A lot more people living on top of you are helping to chip in with the overall building maintenance, security, parking amenities, etc., perhaps?
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2021, 9:27 PM
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A lot more people living on top of you are helping to chip in with the overall building maintenance, security, parking amenities, etc., perhaps?
Gotcha. For operational budgets, I think maybe a bit more if it's rental / leased (residential, and commercial), but rents would still be higher in new build for commercial. But for a large purpose-built tenant in a stratified building for a grocer, or large format retailer I think their operational budgets would be separate with minimal joint costs saved in having more units above.
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That does look really good for space.
I think the key is to have it on the 2nd floor or in a basement, though parking ramps would take up space in a basement.
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Not sure if it was discussed here before, but Burnaby plans to build new City Hall. It will be build close to SkyTrain (Metrotown and Sperling-Burnaby Lake Stations were mentioned). The cost of seismic upgrades for the current building is 30M$, so the council prefers just to build a new one instead. No details on timeline yet. I’ll post once know more.
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2021, 3:29 AM
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They funded a study back in March

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As Burnaby continues to experience significant growth and development, increased demand will be placed on public services and programs that operate from the Burnaby City Hall Administrative Complex. To support increased service demand, it is anticipated that new positions and additional staffing levels and supports will be required across City Departments, impacting building space requirements. While Deer Lake 1 and 2 have some capacity to accommodate departmental needs in the short- and medium-term, the fragmentation of departments and divisions is not optimal. In addition, the Main and West Buildings are approaching a point in the building's life-cycle where major capital reinvestment will be needed to meet and maintain the basic standards. Upgrades to fully occupied buildings are also challenging and costly given the need to maintain service delivery levels expected. It is within this context that funding for the Phase 1 City Hall Space Needs Assessment is being sought.
https://pub-burnaby.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=50731

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Old Posted Nov 25, 2021, 9:05 PM
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Not sure if it was discussed here before, but Burnaby plans to build new City Hall. It will be build close to SkyTrain (Metrotown and Sperling-Burnaby Lake Stations were mentioned). The cost of seismic upgrades for the current building is 30M$, so the council prefers just to build a new one instead. No details on timeline yet. I’ll post once know more.
Wow! Burnaby is just awesome. Hope they can build it not within Metrotown, but somewhere close by like the Royal Oak neighbourhood.
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Not sure if it was discussed here before, but Burnaby plans to build new City Hall. It will be build close to SkyTrain (Metrotown and Sperling-Burnaby Lake Stations were mentioned). The cost of seismic upgrades for the current building is 30M$, so the council prefers just to build a new one instead. No details on timeline yet. I’ll post once know more.
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Wow! Burnaby is just awesome. Hope they can build it not within Metrotown, but somewhere close by like the Royal Oak neighbourhood.

Sperling has a lot of empty land available though.
On a side note, the Saputo/Dairyland plant beside Sperling Station is closed now (I haven't seen any vehicles, trucks, trailers, or people there for the past month). I wonder what the land owner (Peterson Group? https://petersonbc.com/properties/saputo/) has planned for the area? Either lease out the old plant to another company or demolition for new development. I'm hoping for the latter.
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Sperling has a lot of empty land available though.
On a side note, the Saputo/Dairyland plant beside Sperling Station is closed now (I haven't seen any vehicles, trucks, trailers, or people there for the past month). I wonder what the land owner (Peterson Group? https://petersonbc.com/properties/saputo/) has planned for the area? Either lease out the old plant to another company Urban Strategies are working on the plan for the project.or demolition for new development. I'm hoping for the latter.
Peterson are intending a major redevelopment as a high-density 'Urban Village' in partnership with Create Properties. Urban Strategies are working on the plan for the project.
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Sounds more like a problem for people who are driving and passing THROUGH Metrotown rather than who actually live in the area. People who live in Metrotown - assuming they work outside the area like in Downtown Vancouver or other regions - tend not to drive in and out as a daily means of getting around. I mean why would you, when you live within a stone's throw of the second largest Skytrain hub in the non-Downtown area, as well as the most frequented Bus Loop.
Metrotown is big enough for you to have a significant demand for all three. Sure, many do take SkyTrain (mostly those Downtown bound) or bus (Brentwood, BCIT and Willingdon corridor), but there is a very steady stream of cars in and out of Metrotown along Willingdon and Royal every morning and night. I also contribute to that myself and so do many of my neighbors. There is a rush hour traffic in and out of every tower's parkade, so cars are a prevalent method of transportation for Burnabites. Basically anyone heading to North Shore, almost anywhere east or south of Fraser (Richmond / Delta) will choose to drive out of Metrotown rather than take several transit connections.

You are though correct that Kingsway particularly sees a lot of through traffic, which is why it is maddening that there is that completely unnecessary 4-lane bottleneck between Patterson and Boundary. They could probably make it 3+3 lanes with just repainting the lanes, as there is space on the roadway. It's so stupid.

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Maybe right now is ok, though driving along Kingsway, it really slows to a crawl around Metrotown. They will have to widen Kingsway and Willingdon to 5 lanes, and have double or even triple left turn lanes. (which I think is physically impossible.
Some of the current crawl is because of there being often one or even two lanes out at Station Square. Normally traffic flows pretty smoothly through Metrotown thanks to Kingsway having 3+3 lanes. Compare that to the stupid 2+2 bottleneck of Lougheed Highway through Brentwood.

The biggest problem along Kingsway (and most streets in Vancouver) is the complete absence of left-turn lanes. In my mind left turning should be banned everywhere there is no dedicated turn lane and not just during rush hour. Also all street parking should be banned along Kingsway during daytime to improve traffic flow. There is plenty of parking for businesses along side streets.

I definitely do agree with you on there being a huge need for double turn lanes at several busy intersections, but that is something that is ultra-rare even in all of Metro. I cannot think of any triple turn lane anywhere in the entire province, which goes to say how small our road infrastructure is.
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Sperling has a lot of empty land available though.
On a side note, the Saputo/Dairyland plant beside Sperling Station is closed now (I haven't seen any vehicles, trucks, trailers, or people there for the past month). I wonder what the land owner (Peterson Group? https://petersonbc.com/properties/saputo/) has planned for the area? Either lease out the old plant to another company or demolition for new development. I'm hoping for the latter.
It would be nice to build the new city hall somewhere close where people and things are and not again in the middle of nowhere. How about leasing those two "Gold" Glass Office Buildings on Kingsway in Metrotown and turning them into a City Hall (ex offices of Metro Van). I think they are being renovated or planned to be renovated soon.
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It would be nice to build the new city hall somewhere close where people and things are and not again in the middle of nowhere. How about leasing those two "Gold" Glass Office Buildings on Kingsway in Metrotown and turning them into a City Hall (ex offices of Metro Van). I think they are being renovated or planned to be renovated soon.
Those are already being sold as strata office spaces. I haven't seen anything that says how well they're selling.
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They could probably make it 3+3 lanes with just repainting the lanes, as there is space on the roadway.
Any chance this is because Kingsway is part of highway 1A? Maybe the roadway has to be a certain width?
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Metrotown is big enough for you to have a significant demand for all three. Sure, many do take SkyTrain (mostly those Downtown bound) or bus (Brentwood, BCIT and Willingdon corridor), but there is a very steady stream of cars in and out of Metrotown along Willingdon and Royal every morning and night. I also contribute to that myself and so do many of my neighbors. There is a rush hour traffic in and out of every tower's parkade, so cars are a prevalent method of transportation for Burnabites. Basically anyone heading to North Shore, almost anywhere east or south of Fraser (Richmond / Delta) will choose to drive out of Metrotown rather than take several transit connections.
Based on what we know about induced demand, this is an argument for improving the transit connections between Metrotown and destinations that aren't on the Expo line. Making it easier for people to travel to Richmond or the North Shore will free up the roads for people that actually need to drive for work, or are headed to a destination without sufficient demand for Skytrain or Rapid Bus.

And for the record, there are no shortage of Metrotown residents who work in offices in DT Vancouver. I have a friend that lives in New West, works in Brentwood, and still drives to work. These cases indicate that either the transit system isn't fast enough, or that the roads are too free-flowing.
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I have a friend that lives in New West, works in Brentwood, and still drives to work. These cases indicate that either the transit system isn't fast enough, or that the roads are too free-flowing.
Also depends on if he/she lives near a SkyTrain Station and whether the workplace is also near a station - bussing it to a station would kill it.

... or does he/she have free parking at work?
... and/or does he/she have other commitments after work that are not easily accessible by SkyTrain (ie sports practices)?
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or that the roads are too free-flowing.
ahh yes, because good traffic flow is a bad thing. this kind of think is why we have "rush hour" most of the day now, in both directions.

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Also depends on if he/she lives near a SkyTrain Station and whether the workplace is also near a station - bussing it to a station would kill it.

... or does he/she have free parking at work?
... and/or does he/she have other commitments after work that are not easily accessible by SkyTrain (ie sports practices)?
it also depends what time of day he goes to work. does he start at 9am, 8am, 7am?
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I used to work in the Brentwood area in 2007 - 2009 or so and I would drive from Lougheed mall, if it snowed I would use Skytrain. Because I worked will 11 pm I just preferred that driving got me home faster and I could go out and pick up food as at the time most options required a car to go pick up something.
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