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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2014, 1:38 AM
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Google Streetview would say otherwise... The "dilapidated horticulture building" actually looked kinda cool from the back and the parking lot was more or less hidden away by the trees out front. https://maps.google.ca/?ll=45.400559,-75...Pr16q14vi0rBurtpK0iA&cbp=12,222,,0,-0.84

Sure the townhouses will be good for the maybe 4-8 houses situated in front of them, but it appears the rest of the street is S.O.L.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on how good it looked. The building was falling apart (condemned actually) and the parking lot was quite clearly visible behind the trees and chain link fence, particularly in any season other than summer.

Not sure what you mean about 4-8 houses. Basically every house on Holmwood will be situated across from the townhouses.

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I don't buy into what that last article said. I just see this as more corporatization, of big companies trying to buy everything to make money of it.

I don't approve of anything, and while I definitely support the redevelopment (it could have been better done) I don't agree with changing the name, not unless it has something to do with Ottawa (ie. changing some minor street name to reflect something in Ottawa's history).
In a government heavy city like Ottawa it's refreshing to see some "corporatization" and millions changing hands. This is what happens in major cities that aren't dependent on the government (and I'd say that's a reason why other cities are further along economically). I celebrate the fact that a major corporation saw an opportunity in Ottawa. If Frank Clair's family is ok with the whole thing, why should I be upset?
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In a government heavy city like Ottawa it's refreshing to see some "corporatization" and millions changing hands. This is what happens in major cities that aren't dependent on the government (and I'd say that's a reason why other cities are further along economically). I celebrate the fact that a major corporation saw an opportunity in Ottawa. If Frank Clair's family is ok with the whole thing, why should I be upset?
Because it's changing a nominal identity that is important to a lot of people to some boring corporate name. What if TD bought Winterlude and decided to name it TD Winterlude? It's rebranding something that shouldn't be rebranded. Winterlude is the name of a festival celebrated in Ottawa, and Lansdowne was given to a part of the city that has ties to our history.

If you want to put your money and support it, go right ahead, but changing names isn't necessary.
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Because it's changing a nominal identity that is important to a lot of people to some boring corporate name. What if TD bought Winterlude and decided to name it TD Winterlude? It's rebranding something that shouldn't be rebranded. Winterlude is the name of a festival celebrated in Ottawa, and Lansdowne was given to a part of the city that has ties to our history.

If you want to put your money and support it, go right ahead, but changing names isn't necessary.
It is, unfortunately, part of life in 21st century North America, and Ottawa is no exception.

http://ottawabluesfest.ca/
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It is, unfortunately, part of life in 21st century North America, and Ottawa is no exception.

http://ottawabluesfest.ca/
Just because it's happening doesn't mean it's right. I was watching a documentary or something that was talking about how RedBull purchased a local sports facility and team, and the controversy with that. That probably doesn't mean much, but it was how something that was important to people in some way was being taken away from them because a company could profit off it. Would people in Ottawa be more likely to shop and have fun at Lansdowne because TD is the sponsor? Would they earn more money because it's their name as a part of the facility?

I'm doubtful. I can imagine they have more capital to invest, like RBC with Bluesfest, to bring in more performers or whatever so that more people will be attracted to it and spend their money. But to change the name completely, to something so generic from something people identify with? Just because it happens now doesn't mean it's right.
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Won't the entire 'park' still be called Lansdowne? I was under the impression that just the sports facility (arena and stadium) will be called TD. In Sask they got the naming rights cash by calling it Mosaic stadium but kept the history by calling it Mosaic Stadium at Taylor Field. I can't see why we can't do the same?
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In the article below Roger Greenburg says that due to space and parking the arena and stadium won't be holding events at the same time. Sounds as though if Ottawa hosted a major multi-sport event like the Commonwealth Games you couldn't have events going on at both venues at the same time. That would be a big waste. I wonder if there are reasons outside of cost why they didn't built more levels of parking at Lansdowne.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2487469
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In the article below Roger Greenburg says that due to space and parking the arena and stadium won't be holding events at the same time. Sounds as though if Ottawa hosted a major multi-sport event like the Commonwealth Games you couldn't have events going on at both venues at the same time. That would be a big waste. I wonder if there are reasons outside of cost why they didn't built more levels of parking at Lansdowne.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2487469
While there were technical issues making a larger parking garage expensive, that wasn't the primary reason. The City made a conscious decision to include less parking as that is really the only proven way to get people to choose other modes of transportation.

I would expect that in the case of the Commonwealth Games parking would not be an issue, as there would be no parking available to fans. That is definitely going to be the case when the Grey Cup is there.
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I always assumed Frank Clair stadium would be renamed, just as every other sports facility is when it changes ownership. The Lansdowne Park site is still Lansdowne Park, and the city needs the money to help pull off one of the few bright spots of the past year (the other being LRT).

With condo sales plummeting to (seemingly) near zero, the film studio plan collapse, and both downtown movie theatres closing, this is a bright spot.

What wasn't a bright spot was the slowly eroding Lansdowne Park site two years ago, which was about a half decade from looking like something out of the ruins of Detroit. In other words, an abandoned former mecca that ceased to really exist, taking most of its dusty past with it.

I walked through it shortly before the reconstruction. It wasn't pretty, and you could tell the decay was accelerating, which is what decay does. But yes, everything should just stay the same as things get worse in the background, and the money? Oh, there's always more money to waste on stagnation, according to naysayers protecting their nebulous 'quality of life' or fragile state of mind.
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Just because it's happening doesn't mean it's right. I was watching a documentary or something that was talking about how RedBull purchased a local sports facility and team, and the controversy with that. That probably doesn't mean much, but it was how something that was important to people in some way was being taken away from them because a company could profit off it. Would people in Ottawa be more likely to shop and have fun at Lansdowne because TD is the sponsor? Would they earn more money because it's their name as a part of the facility?

I'm doubtful. I can imagine they have more capital to invest, like RBC with Bluesfest, to bring in more performers or whatever so that more people will be attracted to it and spend their money. But to change the name completely, to something so generic from something people identify with? Just because it happens now doesn't mean it's right.
Ummm I believe you are suffering from some poor business sense.

The average amount of money spent on player salaries in the CFL is just under $5 million or so I believe. I estimate the naming rights to TD Place fetched at least $1 million. Couple that with the attractive TV deal and you've got a sports franchise that can make some money, and more importantly SPEND some money, on players, and on the fans.

Honest to god, I'd much rather have the cash to go get that incredible QB than to still be able to say the official name of the stadium is Frank Clair Stadium.

To be completely blunt, I'd rather forget that name which is now exclusively associated to me with embarrassing on field failures, a disgusting dump of a sports venue, and a concrete wasteland.

Bring on the change! TD Place!!
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on how good it looked. The building was falling apart (condemned actually) and the parking lot was quite clearly visible behind the trees and chain link fence, particularly in any season other than summer.

Not sure what you mean about 4-8 houses. Basically every house on Holmwood will be situated across from the townhouses.
It looked absolutely terrible - boarded up windows and graffiti. Yikes.

Yea I didn't get the "4 to 8 houses" comment either. All four blocks have fronting townhomes or garden homes...
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It looked absolutely terrible - boarded up windows and graffiti. Yikes.

Yea I didn't get the "4 to 8 houses" comment either. All four blocks have fronting townhomes or garden homes...
I think there was a perception that some homes would look onto the back of the theater
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Wow, what a night and day difference when comparing the before and "during" pictures. (I say "during" because we don't have a true after picture yet)

I'm generally in favour of the project, but not the biggest fan of that stretch from what I've seen (in pictures only, haven't been in that area in a while)
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They can name the Civic and Frank Clair "Rickard's Field" as long as the temporary seating is not called "Rickard's Bleachers"?
Well, no, not after the application of the "alcoholic" rule.
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Well, no, not after the application of the "alcoholic" rule.
It was just my "interpretation" of the wording.
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More naming rights available at Lansdowne Park, OSEG says

Retail plans, football program all firming up

By David Reevely, OTTAWA CITIZEN January 8, 2014


OTTAWA — Having sold the name of Frank Clair Stadium and the Civic Centre to the TD banking empire, the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group is out to find more parts of Lansdowne Park for businesses to sponsor.

“Theoretically, everything else is available. It’s just a question of what somebody wants,” said Roger Greenberg, the chairman of OSEG, the consortium of builders and sports businessmen who are the city government’s partners in the half-billion-dollar redevelopment of the stadium and the Glebe fairground in which it sits.

An early estimate that the naming rights would fetch about $15 million shot up to $50 million by the time OSEG and the city finalized their deal in late 2012. The estimate of what the revenues would be worth over 30 years included the rights to name not just to the stadium and hockey rink, but to adjoining retail area, too.

That works out to about $1.2 million a year. Greenberg wouldn’t say exactly what TD is paying for the naming rights to the stadium and the hockey rink beneath it, but it’s more than $1 million a year in a long-term deal, so the target is almost met. The money goes into the pool of revenues that are to be divided between OSEG and the city.

The next task is to make deals with about four “founding partners,” more big-name sponsors who will probably get their logos on the stadium and may want to label other things at Lansdowne with their names. Greenberg hopes to nail down four by June, as OSEG’s Canadian Football League team takes the field.

“There’ll be areas that we can provide other assets, other squares, end zones, there’s a list of a whole bunch of things that we can and will be making available for our founding partners,” Greenberg said. “We wanted to get through naming rights first, and then what are the assets that (TD) are going to be claiming, and then when we talk about the founding partners, we talk about assets they’re interested in.”

You can stick a corporate name on just about anything someone is willing to pay for, though “there’s always a big drop-off from naming rights to everything else,” Greenberg said. People will call the stadium complex “TD Place” in regular conversation; they probably won’t talk about a wide receiver making it into the “Molson end zone” for a touchdown.

If somebody wants the naming rights to the shopping centre next to the stadium, they’ll be available, Greenberg said. Not on the table are the names of the Lansdowne buildings and places that remain fully under the control of the city: the Aberdeen Pavilion, the Horticulture Building, the urban park and its components, the square that’s to hold a farmers’ market. The whole place will still be called Lansdowne Park, a detail that’s been settled after the city and OSEG signed the redevelopment agreement. The city could rename those things if it wanted to, but city manager Kent Kirkpatrick is on record saying it won’t.

Greenberg said the TD naming is the first of a series of Lansdowne-related announcements OSEG is planning this winter, of varying magnitude. One big one is a major update on the tenants signed to leases in the retail buildings along the north and west edges of the property, extending the list beyond the marquee names of Sporting Life and Whole Foods and a handful of restaurants and banks and an LCBO.

That should include a final confirmation of the cinema chain that’ll take over the building that was being built for Empire Theatres before its corporate owner bailed out of the movie business last summer. Greenberg didn’t repeat it Tuesday, but OSEG has previously said that it’s negotiating with Cineplex and got as far as (mistakenly) putting up hoardings with Cineplex’s logo along Bank Street.

That deal seems all the more important now that efforts to keep the World Exchange cinema open appear to have finally failed, leaving no big first-run multiplex even close to Ottawa’s downtown core.

The start of football season looms ever closer, though, with the first kickoff around Canada Day this year to be Lansdowne’s first big show even as work on parts of the site continues for a year or so after that.

“There’s an incredible amount of activity taking place behind the scenes so that when a team shows up in July, they’ve got uniforms, they’ve got pads, they can call a play,” Greenberg said.

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I hear Milestones may be joining the group of tenants at Lansdowne, as well as a good life fitness.

http://www.ottawalansdownepark.com/977/l...lude-goodlife-and-milestones-restaurant/

One thing I cannot understand is why no actual bars/pubs have taken up a space at the place (i.e. ones that are primarily bars/pubs; not full restaurants as well).

You'd think with such a huge sports presence right next door the opportunity would be a fantastic one to open up a big sports bar right on the scene. I imagine it would be packed before and after every sporting event.

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From the city's website:

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Zoom in on the new Lansdowne

January 9, 2014

Construction on the new Lansdowne has come a long way in just over a year. We compiled over a year’s worth of aerial photos to show the evolution of the revitalized stadium, future urban park and mixed-use area that will include shops, offices and residences.

Check out our video update to see how construction and refurbishment work on the 18-acre site has progressed to date.
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Ugh nothing new....

We need more updates city! Haven't seen new anything since mid-December...
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Ugh nothing new....

We need more updates city! Haven't seen new anything since mid-December...
I imagine they didn't get much done over the Christmas holidays.
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