Immigrant population of cities around the world

[Crawford]

Chicago feels very Mexican. I know the stereotype is more Polish and black, but the Mexican presence is basically everywhere.

I remember going to Millennium Park late on a Sunday night and my (Mexican) wife asking if there was some Mexican event, bc there were masses of Mexican-American families. I think it was just a random summer Sunday night. It was also pretty late, so we guessed a lot of the visitors were in industries where you don't have to be in bed early for Monday office job, and so late night was available family time.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Unless you're from what is now Grand Est, I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in that region than you.

France is a unified country, like most European countries. There are no differences across regions when it comes to supermarkets.

In any case, the AI settles the matter. Your personal, subjective experience is no match compared to the thousands of experiences, reviews, comments, etc compiled by the AI.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

In any case, the AI settles the matter.

AI sez Carrefour and E.Leclerc are European equivalents of Walmart. Your claim is that they offer better goods than an artisanal boulangerie. Good times.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by muppet

Sorry not Madrid, I meant Barcelona.

Barcelona's FUA covers 4,256 km² of land area (not 2,600 km²). That's very large, considering it's a coastal metro area, so half of its territory would be the sea. In terms of distance from the city center, it's more or less equivalent to a metro area of 8,510 km² that is fully inland. Toulouse's FUA covers just 6,520 km², which means it's less extended than Barcelona's.

Originally Posted by muppet

15% is pretty damn low too imo.

15% is low, but they wanted to catch the wider influence of cities. The French statistical office used a 40% threshold before finally adopting the international FUA definition. But the difference is not that large anyway. For Paris, switching from 40% to 15% threshold only increased the metro area population by a few hundreds of thousands of inhabitants (certainly less than 1 million).

And for London, I hope you realize that if they had used a 40% threshold, or even a 50% threshold that would sound intuitive (majority of people commuting to the core city), then the London FUA would have had a considerably smaller population, because most of the districts surrounding Greater London have rather smallish percentages of people in employment commuting to Greater London. It's only thanks to a low 15% threshold that London's FUA could include many districts around Greater London.

Originally Posted by muppet

Maybe geographers and city councils round the world should just take their thumbs out and count contiguous urban populations.

There's a reason why the international FUA was developped. That's because the old urban area (as defined by the UN) is increasingly meaningless. For example a Cairo-Alexandria urban area that encompasses all the delta of the Nile due to now near complete contiguous settlements is a meaningless thing. Someone from Alexandria and someone from Cairo do not belong in any respect to the same city (whatever meaning we give to the word city). Same for a Guangzhou-Hong Kong urban area, it's a meaningless thing. Or in England a Manchester-Liverpool urban area. Or along the Rhine a Bonn-Cologne-Düsseldorf-Rotterdam urban area. The traditional concept of urban area has long stopped making any sense due to the sprawl of urban areas.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Crawford

AI sez Carrefour and E.Leclerc are European equivalents of Walmart. Your claim is that they offer better goods than an artisanal boulangerie. Good times.

Yeah, totally what I wrote.

You're being clownish now.

[Docere]

Is Slough part of the London FUA?

[bilbao58]

Originally Posted by JManc

There's no way that Carrefour in that photo only sells food. We used to have an Auchan here in Houston years ago and that was pretty huge but nothing like this.

I miss that Auchan on the Tollway. The breads were really good and super cheap. Produce and seafood sections were excellent too. It was by going there that I first noticed the growing African community in Houston.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Docere

Is Slough part of the London FUA?

No, it isn't. Slough is its own FUA.

In general, the districts in Berkshire have very low percentages of commuters to Greater London. Same in Buckinghamshire. The percentages are higher in the other home counties (at least for their districts adjoining Greater London). The highest percentages are in the district of Epping Forest (Essex) and Epsom and Ewell (Surrey).

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

I miss that Auchan on the Tollway. The breads were really good and super cheap. Produce and seafood sections were excellent too. It was by going there that I first noticed the growing African community in Houston.

I didn't know that Auchan ventured into the USA. I didn't see any when I lived there.

Auchan is present in many European countries, they are the most "aggressive" in terms of international expansion. Often they adopt a local name that is a simple translation of the French name, while keeping the same font and visual. Auchan, phonetically, means "in the field" in French (the correct spelling should be "au champ"). In Spain, they simply translated, and it became Alcampo ("in the field").



The Alcampo hypermarkets in Spain are the largest in the country. They often have the cheapest gas too (in Barcelona, the enormous Alcampo on the outskirts is always where I stop to refill the tank, because it's usually the cheapest gas in the entire province).

In Russia they translated it too, and they use the Cyrilic alphabet (although I think they had to close their supermarkets there since the invasion of Ukraine?).

It's funny they kept the French name for the US (especially in a country where "Auchan" would probably lead to the wrong pronunciation... do you pronounce it like the "ch" in church or like "sh" in sham, and what about the final n, do you pronounce it?). In English it could have become "Onfield" I suppose, but perhaps they thought it would be a silly name.

Interestingly, in my parents' hometown Auchan is the most "working class" of the 4 large hypermarkets, with the lowest quality (lowest in comparison to the other 3, but still higher than what you'd find in most countries). So we usually don't shop there (except when we're late because they are the one closing the latest).

So I have a somehow negative view of Auchan. Leclerc and Carrefour are better in terms of quality. In Paris there's a very large Auchan at La Défense, but I find it dirty. The Leclerc at Levallois-Perret is much cleaner and higher quality too. Both are outside the city limits though, so pain in the ass to go and come back without a car, so I go there only like twice a year at most. Inside the city of Paris proper, supermarkets are much smaller than these two.

PS: That's Auchan in Russia, in Cyrillic alphabet (here they didn't try to translate the name as in Spain, they just phonetically wrote "Auchan" in Cyrillic alphabet). The word below is "hypermarket" (in English oddly, simply phonetically written with the Cyrillic alphabet).

[Docere]

One country added to NYC that was missing (with over 50,000). So 29 countries in NYC Metro with at least 50,000 immigrants; 92 with at least 5000.

[Docere]

# of countries with at least 5000 foreign born

New York MSA 92
Greater London 90
Toronto CMA 73
Los Angeles MSA 56
Greater Sydney 53
Washington MSA 53
Greater Melbourne 48
Montreal CMA 47
Boston MSA 44
Chicago MSA 42
Miami MSA 41
Houston MSA 37
San Francisco MSA 34
Dallas MSA 33
Vancouver CMA 26
Paris Region ?

[bilbao58]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

I didn't know that Auchan ventured into the USA. I didn't see any when I lived there.


It's funny they kept the French name for the US (especially in a country where "Auchan" would probably lead to the wrong pronunciation... do you pronounce it like the "ch" in church or like "sh" in sham, and what about the final n, do you pronounce it?).

The Houston store, their first in the States, opened in 1988. They added another Houston store and a smaller Chicago area store. They were all gone by the early 2000s.

People pronounced it oh-shawn or oh-shann. Since I speak French I had no problem pronouncing it correctly.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

The Houston store, their first in the States, opened in 1988. They added another Houston store and a smaller Chicago area store. They were all gone by the early 2000s.

I don't know why they didn't persist. But that's typical of French groups. They are afraid of the US. That's why you have no Renault or Peugeot cars either.

I'm sure large hypermarkets like Carrefour or Auchan, if they established those massive hypermarkets all across the US, and offered the same quality in terms of food as can be found in their stores in France, they would have a great success. But French businessmen in general cannot think big and are afraid of the US, which is reputed as too competitive and litigious a market.

[Docere]

Toronto comes closest to matching the share of its immigrant population in the world's population living in East and Southeast Asia and in South Asia. 55% of the world's population is there. In other words it might closely reflect the balance of the world population.

World population:

East and Southeast Asia 30%
South Asia 25%

Toronto immigrant population:

East and Southeast Asia 26%
South Asia 23%

[bilbao58]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

That's why you have no Renault or Peugeot cars either.

In the early 80s, American Motors Corporation (now defunct) sold the Renault Fuego and models 5, 9 and 11. The 9 and 11, known here as the "Alliance" and "Encore" respectively, were even manufactured by AMC in Wisconsin. I had an Onze for a short time. I sold it and went to Paris. My best friend drove a Peugeot (504?). Its exhaust backfired and blew a hole right through the bumper.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Imagine Detroit in 2026 if it had received even half the Mexicans that Chicago got over the past 75 years.

Or received immigration from anywhere lol. The Chicago metro area's foreign-born population grew by nearly 250% between the 1950s and 2020s. New York metro by almost 150%. Detroit metro's? It grew by 17%.

1950 foreign-born population per metro
2,520,670…..New York
525,435….....Chicago
398,475….....Detroit

2024 foreign-born population per metro
6,143,359…..New York
1,825,700…..Chicago
467,634….....Detroit

If Detroit metro's foreign-born population had grown like Chicago's there would be at least 1 million more people in Metro Detroit today.

[SIGSEGV]

Carrefour is super popular in Romania (at least in Bucharest).

Mega Image dominates the small corner grocery market though.

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

In the early 80s, American Motors Corporation (now defunct) sold the Renault Fuego and models 5, 9 and 11. The 9 and 11, known here as the "Alliance" and "Encore" respectively, were even manufactured by AMC in Wisconsin. I had an Onze for a short time. I sold it and went to Paris. My best friend drove a Peugeot (504?). Its exhaust backfired and blew a hole right through the bumper.

I'm old enough to remember the Renault Le Car:


I don't know what this model was called outside the US. I think it was sold in the US in the late 1970s to about 1981.

I think the only French car sold in the US is the Bugatti, and you really only see those in Beverly Hills.

Citroën left the US market in 1974 because it couldn't (or wouldn't) meet the safety and bumper standards that were required for new cars sold in the US at the time. Renault and Peugeot left the US market in 1987 and 1991 respectively, because of their unreliability, and competition from other more reliable brands and dealership availability. This info I looked up on the internet, but I lived through that era, so I figured that's why Renault and Peugeot left. I didn't know anyone who drove those cars. In SoCal, it was all about the Japanese brands in the 1980s.

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Whenever I go back there, I go on a splurge of cooking, due to the frustration of not being able to cook more in Paris. When you have a large kitchen, it makes the whole difference. I was there last in May, and I made lots of dishes while I was there (Jewish salad from North Africa, which is extremely time consuming to make, you have to roast the vegetables in an oven first, cover them in aluminium foil for hours, peel them, etc; I also made a clafouti, picture below, and various other stuff, a roasted guinea fowl with garlic, some homemade French fries!, etc).

I love clafoutis, my partner used to make it. He hasn't made it since before the pandemic (the pandemic really changed our eating habits; we've been eating differently ever since, in terms of cooking and going out to eat). He's made it the traditional way with the pits in the cherries. We've also had it with pitted cherries. He even made a savory version using cherry tomatoes (do you consider that horrid?).

[JManc]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

In the early 80s, American Motors Corporation (now defunct) sold the Renault Fuego and models 5, 9 and 11. The 9 and 11, known here as the "Alliance" and "Encore" respectively, were even manufactured by AMC in Wisconsin. I had an Onze for a short time. I sold it and went to Paris. My best friend drove a Peugeot (504?). Its exhaust backfired and blew a hole right through the bumper.

They were le shitboxes and were gone as fast as they came. Within five years, you never saw a Renault anywhere and perhaps the occasional Peugeot 505. Which is sad because I've ridden around in Citroens, Peugeots and Renaults in France and they are nice cars.