Canadian Federal Election

[dleung]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

It's obvious to us regular members that you are very pro-Conservative, and openly rooting for them to win...

Gee I wonder what gave it away lol... all that bending over for Trump in the CE section, years of whining about trans people, "wokeness", CRT and other GOP bogeymen, playing up the Floyd protests and every bad news story for progressives, down-playing the kkkonvoy, J6 and every bad news story for conservatives, the list goes on

Originally Posted by Wigs

No friggin excuses, Lio OR any other forumer that constantly posts and doesn't exercise their civic duty as a Canadian.

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=reg/svr&document=page-b&lang=e

Given his posting history, I wouldn't mind, for the country's sake, if Lio sat this one out

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

He needs to get this done,...

Not if he wins.

[JakeLRS]

So, I know this might be a controversial take, but I'm starting to think Carney might have a bit of a temper, and I think this might be why the campaign team is being very hesitant with what Carney does during the campaign.

Today in Halifax, a local reporter was about to ask a question where Carney interrupted and said "Are you the last local person" (referring to local media in Halifax asking him a question).


I am really really hoping Carney will do some one-on-one interviews and do some extra debates throughout this campaign. It seems he is being very shielded.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Doubtful. MPs with accents get elected all the time. Some get cabinet posts. Especially provincially. I think there's even more tolerance among anglophones for Francophone leaders who may have worse English and heavy accents. As long as they can be understood, most people are just fine.

Looking back in retrospect, Jean Chretien had a noticeable French accent, and he turned out to be the best PM in my lifetime. If the man does a good job, people tend to forget these types of things.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by travis3000

Yeah yeah, all you CPC guys copy and paste that quote like a bible verse "but the US election". First off, American pollsters are way worse than Canadian ones. Instead of looking south, how about you stick in your own backyards. Firms like Leger, Ipsos, Liason, Nanos, have exceptional track records in recent elections. American firms have been horrible since Trump entered the picture at capturing what's going on. Not the same thing here at all.

If you prefer to stick with a gamblers betting website, all the power to you!

Weird I thought he was a Blocquiste. Given the perpetual obsession with Frano-Quebec language and culture war issues.

[JakeLRS]

Pierre Poilievre announces he will not remove Pharmacare, $10 a daycare or dental care.

"We will protect these programs and no one who has them will lose them"


This threat of conservatives axing these programs can now end.

What is unknown is if these programs will be expanded or not.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Looking back in retrospect, Jean Chretien had a noticeable French accent, and he turned out to be the best PM in my lifetime. If the man does a good job, people tend to forget these types of things.

My immigrant parents (who have heavy accents themselves) not only understood Chretien but absolutely loved the guy. They voted for Chretien twice after getting citizenship. And my dad still says he was the best PM he remembers. Some people just can't get past seeing the world through their filters. And for some here, it's the language lens.

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[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Doubtful. MPs with accents get elected all the time. Some get cabinet posts. Especially provincially. I think there's even more tolerance among anglophones for Francophone leaders who may have worse English and heavy accents. As long as they can be understood, most people are just fine.

I think folks like yourself are projecting your own linguistic concerns and imagining that Anglophones think the same way. But language isn't some culture war touchpoint for Anglophones, the way it is for Francophones.

And there's an obvious cultural double standard. I guarantee you that most Anglophones would be far more tolerant of a Quebecer with an accent and worse grammar than they would say a newly naturalized Indo-Canadian. Who do you think would fare better with the average anglophone voter Chretien/Dion group or a guy that sounds like Apu from the Simpsons? I would put my money on the former. Even in the 905!

Speaking from the perspective of an Allophone, this whole spiel about Quebecois setting up impossibly high linguistic standards is completely overblown, and seems to me to be a way for Anglophones to rationalize and eliminate French as a language requirement for the role of Prime Minister.

Karina Gould's Ontario-immersion level French would have easily passed muster and Quebecers weren't critcal of her French fluency after the Liberal leadership debate, and it's no better than Chretien's English. Quebecers don't even expect the fluency of Frank Baylis.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by JakeLRS

Pierre Poilievre announces he will not remove Pharmacare, $10 a daycare or dental care.

"We will protect these programs and no one who has them will lose them"


This threat of conservatives axing these programs can now end.

What is unknown is if these programs will be expanded or not.

That's a big climbdown. They now need to worry about the 1-2% using those programs who are accessible Conservative voters. Of course expect some rollbacks in a second or subsequent budget or even the first after they discover "the books are worse than we imagined..."

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by lio45

Carney isn’t known right now; the only things we know about the guy is that he’s got a great economic resume and he’s supposedly the best anti-Trump option. So of course he’s got a boost from being a blank canvas with only pros and no cons (at the moment).

It’s a temporary honeymoon phase.

This is not necessarily true. I was not old enough to vote, but I followed the 1993 election with great interest. There are many parallels with that election. An unpopular leader resigns, and their replacement automatically receives a boost in the polls, and catches up with the opponent.

However, unlike the 93 election, it's obvious that Poilievre is more like Kim Campbell, in that when exposed to the masses, they implode. Carney, like Chretien is running a well-oiled campaign, and there is a very real chance he could significantly increase his lead, to the point of the Liberals winning by a landslide.

I guess time will tell.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

That's a big climbdown. They now need to worry about the 1-2% using those programs who are accessible Conservative voters. Of course expect some rollbacks in a second or subsequent budget or even the first after they discover "the books are worse than we imagined..."

On a scale of 1 to 10 for how believable is this? ZERO. Sounds like a Trump promise to fix inflation, egg prices and Ukraine war in first 30 days.

Pierre cannot cut taxes, balance budget, etc. just by cutting the public service - programs have to go, so which ones?

[flar]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

The odds are that he is compromised in some way, most likely by India, and possibly by other hostile nations towards Canada (Russia, USA, etc). There is no legitimate reason to avoid a security clearance.

Extremely concerning. You need a clearance to operate even at mid levels of government. Pretty much everything at cabinet level requires secret clearance, and he was in cabinet at one time. I don't know how he gets briefed as leader of the opposition without it. Do they send him out of the room whenever classified material is brought up? I don't even know how it's possible.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

Speaking from the perspective of an Allophone, this whole spiel about Quebecois setting up impossibly high linguistic standards is completely overblown, and seems to me to be a way for Anglophones to rationalize and eliminate French as a language requirement for the role of Prime Minister.

Karina Gould's Ontario-immersion level French would have easily passed muster and Quebecers weren't critcal of her French fluency after the Liberal leadership debate, and it's no better than Chretien's English. Quebecers don't even expect the fluency of Frank Baylis.

This is not for you but if people actually read all of the posts on here, earlier this morning I actually listed a whole bunch of anglo politicians who speak with very noticeable accents and make some mistakes but whose French is perfectly fine and understandable for me and the average francophone (who isn't an anglophobe).

At least thus far, Mark Carney doesn't appear like he falls into that category.

But people are more interested in proving your first paragraph is correct, methinks. That's what this is all about.

[JakeLRS]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

On a scale of 1 to 10 for how believable is this? ZERO. Sounds like a Trump promise to fix inflation, egg prices and Ukraine war in first 30 days.

Pierre cannot cut taxes, balance budget, etc. just by cutting the public service - programs have to go, so which ones?

That isn't a good comparison.

The federal programs are directly controlled by the government. Trumps promises are... I back his rationale.

Quite unfortunate you don't seem to be looking at this election with an open mind, instead all you're doing is attacking everything the cons are doing and praising every thing Carney does without any criticism.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Weird I thought he was a Blocquiste. Given the perpetual obsession with Frano-Quebec language and culture war issues.

While my personal political views are largely irrelevant, what is really at play here is extreme political sensitivity meets nemeses. As such, people have their usual nemeses on SSP and when they get nervous about certain issues or trends, they immediately react by attributing views on the "wrong side" of it to their nemeses, without little thought or analysis going into it.

This is how I somehow became a blind, foaming-at-the-mouth shill for Pierre Poilievre!

Their lightning rod simply found me when it was looking for somewhere to strike.

[Acajack]

In any event, assumptions, finger-pointing and witch hunting of fellow forumers are by far the LEAST interesting parts of life on SSP.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

yawn. So maybe you and your other half Acajack need to stop spending your days interacting in English (on this thread and in your own lives). Stop blaming Canada for the so-called "inevitable plight" of the Quebecois, and do something besides endlessly complaining. The security of French in Quebec is stronger now than it was right from confederation all the way through until the present time. This is not disputable. The prevalence of English in Quebec has declined, rather dramatically, since the 1960s.

And like others have said, when 99% of your posts are anti-Liberal or right wing/conservative, colour me surprised if you guys aren't really conservative, despite your protestations to the contrary. I really don't care either way, but cut the baloney and pearl-clutching.

You've labelled me an enemy of Quebec, which is completely unfounded. But you are on record as abetting the enemies of Canada (as one of the biggest Trumpeteers on this website).

Wouldn't these comments just needlessly provoke and push them into the arms of the PQ? That's detrimental to Canadian unity and really bad for the survival of Canada.

I seriously doubt Carney is up to the task of preserving Canadian unity in the face of a third sovereignty referendum. It's an existential threat that Carney's Canada is not equipped to handle.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

Wouldn't these comments just needlessly provoke and push them into the arms of the PQ? That's detrimental to Canadian unity and really bad for Canada.

I seriously doubt Carney is up to the task of preserving Canadian unity in the face of a third sovereignty referendum.

Interesting point. If he wins a majority on April 28, he could very well be Canada's frontman if we have another one between now and the end of the decade.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

The security of French in Quebec is stronger now than it was right from confederation all the way through until the present time. This is not disputable. The prevalence of English in Quebec has declined, rather dramatically, since the 1960s.
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As a moderator you constantly threaten multiple posters for allegedly making false statements on here, and yet you post stuff like this?