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PaperSun · #**101** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 2:39 PM**

What a mess, CN Rail has way to much power to stop/delay developments.

King&James · #**102** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 2:49 PM**

Just ridiculous that these teams have not been prepared in advance to hash out items and come to an agreement. Very disappointed that they are allowed to kick the can down the street.

TheRitsman · #**103** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 2:59 PM**

Having spoken with a developer related to CN they essentially expect a sound wall the height of the building adjacent to the rail yards, or no windows on any sides facing them. It's a ridiculous ask, and CN is essentially impossible to deal with.

ScreamingViking · #**104** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 3:48 PM**

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Having spoken with a developer related to CN they essentially expect a sound wall the height of the building adjacent to the rail yards, or no windows on any sides facing them. It's a ridiculous ask, and CN is essentially impossible to deal with.

And yet, this isn't even CLOSE to being adjacent to the rail yard.

FU, CN.

TheRitsman · #**105** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 5:52 PM**

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And yet, this isn't even CLOSE to being adjacent to the rail yard.

FU, CN.

Anywhere nearby, within 500metres. My conversation was about the Witton Lofts. One of the serious proposals by CN on this property will be a 6 storey sound wall. No I'm not kidding.

PaperSun · #**106** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 6:09 PM**

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Anywhere nearby, within 500metres. My conversation was about the Witton Lofts. One of the serious proposals by CN on this property will be a 6 storey sound wall. No I'm not kidding.

I bet that's why the property at 652 Lawrence is up for sale and struggling to sell. If you look at the listing they show a few site plans of what could be built but I imagine CN Rail killed that site with all their restrictions.

SteelTown · #**107** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 6:21 PM**

FYI, the next meeting is September 8th.

ScreamingViking · #**108** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 8:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by PaperSun

I bet that's why the property at 652 Lawrence is up for sale and struggling to sell. If you look at the listing they show a few site plans of what could be built but I imagine CN Rail killed that site with all their restrictions.

CP in this case, using the same playbook.

TheRitsman · #**109** Posted **Sep 26, 2023, 5:18 PM**

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It's an overreaction not because this project is taking too long, it has for the record. It's an overreaction because this hurdle will not slow the project down by much if at all, and certainly not two years.

"CN wrote it would “welcome the opportunity” to resolve the matter outside the tribunal process and engage in more talks with the city."

I mean if it's resolved by end of May, then technically only 1.5 years, but that's pretty close to 2 years in my mind.

https://www.thepublicrecord.ca/2023/...tinue-to-meet/

Chronamut · #**110** Posted **Sep 27, 2023, 1:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by PaperSun

I bet that's why the property at 652 Lawrence is up for sale and struggling to sell. If you look at the listing they show a few site plans of what could be built but I imagine CN Rail killed that site with all their restrictions.

I live across the street from the now abandoned brock teachers campus on lawrence - my biggest worry is "will they keep the trees" lol - I just want my trees haha

Hawrylyshyn · #**111** Posted **Apr 24, 2024, 10:43 PM**

This now includes two 12-floor and one 20-floor building!

https://twitter.com/Ward2Hamilton/st...32786%2Fpage-3

Apologies for the large size:

SteelTown · #**112** Posted **Apr 24, 2024, 10:59 PM**

Good, it's even a mixed-income project now.

SteelTown · #**113** Posted **Apr 24, 2024, 11:02 PM**

SteelTown · #**114** Posted **Apr 25, 2024, 1:06 PM**

Jamesville redevelopment revisions cause further delays
https://www.chch.com/jamesville-rede...eid=30335158ea

The plans surrounding the Jamesville Social Townhomes project in Hamilton’s north end have been met with further delays.

On Wednesday, the city moved to support a new proposal for the site from its developer after the project was snarled by concerns raised by CN Rail over its shunting operations in the nearby train yard.

The city says that the “new revised plan captures many of the concerns raised by the community and is also intended to address CN’s concerns with respect to noise.”

Still, the new plan means that the original Ontario Land Tribunal hearing, which was scheduled for May, will have to be postponed until February 2025.

ScreamingViking · #**115** Posted **Apr 26, 2024, 8:29 AM**

I'll repeat... FU CN

Hopefully negotiations get this resolved before yet another year goes by.

SteelTown · #**116** Posted **May 6, 2024, 7:18 PM**

Horwath to meet with CN this week about Jamesville project

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...lton-1.7195287

Trudeau was also asked what his government could do to help resolve the dispute between the city and CN Rail that has been holding up the creation of what the city says will be a medium density mixed-income community.

Dozens of vacant townhouses have been empty for years awaiting demolition to make way for 160 affordable units in a pair of 12-storey towers. They will be surrounded by townhouse blocks and a 20-storey condo building with a total of 315 units to be sold at market rate, according to the city.

In April, mayor Horwath said the "the project is facing delay after delay due to the obstinance and obstructionism of CN Rail."

She added that "for years, this site has sat empty, decaying in front of our eyes, all the while one of the worst housing crises in history plays out across our city."

Trudeau said Hamilton has been "ambitious" about tackling housing challenges and his government has supported the city with "faster permitting, less red tape, more densification and, quite frankly, significant amounts of funds. We're talking about $93.5 million to Hamilton so that they can solve some of the challenges around housing."

Also at the college, Howarth said she was meeting again with CN this week and wasn't "going to sleep until we get some movement from CN. Bottom line."

CN Rail spokesperson Ashley Michnowski said to CBC Hamilton in April that "we are part of the Hamilton community and we want to be an enabler for these types of projects."

However, she said CN is concerned about the impacts of odour, vibration and noise on residents, and appealed the city's plans to the Ontario Land Tribunal in 2022, say documents filed with the OLT.

A hearing was set for this May, but has been pushed to 2025.

ScreamingViking · #**117** Posted **May 7, 2024, 3:37 AM**

I get it... CN has a business to worry about that is in many ways incompatible with residential development. And while that has been the use of the land in question for a very long time, standards are different today and the company needs to consider the future.

But they're operating in an urban area, with its own needs and challenges. There can be compromises made.

Hopefully Horwath and team can break through the legal impasse toward productive discussion and resolution.

Chronamut · #**118** Posted **May 7, 2024, 3:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

I get it... CN has a business to worry about that is in many ways incompatible with residential development. And while that has been the use of the land in question for a very long time, standards are different today and the company needs to consider the future.

But they're operating in an urban area, with its own needs and challenges.

Hopefully Horwath and team can break through the legal impasse toward productive discussion and resolution.

Some things can't be fixed, the smell of the cargo and the noise for one. Vibration and noise can only be semi-mitigated with soundproofing padding and distance but people will move in and complain and itll be like "well you're by a train yard, what did you expect..?"

King&James · #**119** Posted **May 7, 2024, 11:59 AM**

It would be my greatest wish that CN would see the bigger picture, allow this minor development, in exchange for massive development rights of their own shunting yards, say in the neighbourhood of 10,000 units, to fund relocation of the operation. No idea what a yard cost, but at $1B, that would be $100,000 per unit.

ScreamingViking · #**120** Posted **May 7, 2024, 12:47 PM**

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It would be my greatest wish that CN would see the bigger picture, allow this minor development, in exchange for massive development rights of their own shunting yards, say in the neighbourhood of 10,000 units, to fund relocation of the operation. No idea what a yard cost, but at $1B, that would be $100,000 per unit.

I would think CN already has the rights to do whatever they want. What they'd seek is public money to move the yard... supposing a location could even be found. There was talk about 10 years ago re: possibly using some of the Stelco property, but the current proposed plans don't leave room for that.

Mitigation costs alone for that land at West Harbour must be astronomical, after decades of use.