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Old Posted Jun 5, 2023, 2:36 AM
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Air canada Putting YYC-YWG back to mainline end of October.
But two dailies are gone for the single mainline. No more morning flight on AC, just the evening one.
Terrible for business travellers.
Yes and a coincidental 2030 departure from YYC and the return from YWG. Looks like solely a positioning of an A320 from YYZ.

As for Air North to YZF would be another case of Westjet’s strength. Expect further pressure on other carriers and routes similar to this happening.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2023, 2:45 AM
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I hope WS goes back to 14x weekly on YYC-YZF at least.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2023, 11:37 PM
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I believe Westjet is the only carrier left on that route? I wonder if the prices will increase now that it’s got a monopoly on the route! Also wonder if/when it will follow suit and pull the plug on it or stick it out!
Yes from June 30 onwards WestJet is the only one operating Calgary YYC- Yellowknife YZF.

I think WestJet will stick it out on the YYC- YZF route. As the Edmonton YEG- YZF is a (seasonal) route for WS operating few times weekly & with Canadian North who has stronghold on YEG- YZF flights.

Leaves WestJet happy with a stronghold on YYC-YZF flights.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 7, 2023, 12:03 AM
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Yes from June 30 onwards WestJet is the only one operating Calgary YYC- Yellowknife YZF.

I think WestJet will stick it out on the YYC- YZF route. As the Edmonton YEG- YZF is a (seasonal) route for WS operating few times weekly & with Canadian North who has stronghold on YEG- YZF flights.

Leaves WestJet happy with a stronghold on YYC-YZF flights.
Yeah, but it seems like a significant decrease in capacity on YYC-YZF compared to pre covid times. We used to have 4x daily YYC-YZF, so it would be nice to see WS expand on the route. I remember before Canadian north started YYC-YZF that WS' flights were almost completely sold out last winter.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 6:53 PM
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Yeah, but it seems like a significant decrease in capacity on YYC-YZF compared to pre covid times. We used to have 4x daily YYC-YZF, so it would be nice to see WS expand on the route. I remember before Canadian north started YYC-YZF that WS' flights were almost completely sold out last winter.
1X 737-8 is more capacity than 2 Q400's, so WS might be even on capacity, depending what variant they use. It will be interesting to see the plan for winter, I think a lot of those YZF flights were driven by overseas tourists, so if they think they will be coming back this winter, there could be a solid boost. Also I bet people in YZF would love to have the morning head start to YYC back for one stop trips down south.
     
     
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NRT is bookable from April 3rd next year now? An indication that it's going year round? Or maybe April is part of the summer season.

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Old Posted Jun 14, 2023, 5:01 PM
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NRT is bookable from April 3rd next year now? An indication that it's going year round? Or maybe April is part of the summer season.
Probably just got extended to the full summer IATA schedule.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2023, 6:05 PM
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WK resumes service to ZRH tomorrow, the last of the long-haul routes for this summer. Be interesting to see how it plays out this year with the massive WS increases.

Speaking of WS, both FCO / BCN are seeing a very high number of US connections. On some days, there's even more onward US pax then domestic ones.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2023, 7:38 PM
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Air Canada gutting its YYC service was totally expected, this isn't earth shattering news. They said they were focusing on YVR out west, and that's what they've done. Just like WS said they were focusing on YYC and cutting eastern flying, that's exactly what they did. WS's service increases more than cover the loss of AC; AC was never giving a ton of capacity anyways, so the massive growth in WS covers any loss from AC for sure. Yes, it might be annoying for some who are used to using AC, but really the YYC market has favoured WS for so many years now, this is just the result of that.

You can't really compare the situation to YVR, it's apples and oranges. WS has the power to become a true fortress hub at YYC, and it's making that happen. AC is nowhere near fortress territory at YVR, so they're more about adding at select growth markets (SE Asia, US cities) than muscling out competitors like WS on every route. That's why they've essentially shared lots of routes for years without one muscling the other out, it's essentially status quo more or less. YYC is really lucky to have WS as their own hub, that's the big difference between them there, and AC at YVR. For YYC to get ROM, BCN, EDI, two dailies to LHR, and so many more, is a result of them dismantling their YYZ base. But AC would never shift their European ops to YVR, it would make no sense. So YYC gets the fun Euro routes. (and surely more foreign ones soon), and YVR gets the Asian cities (and hopefully a South American one).

WS said they are folding not only Swoop, but also Sunwing into mainline. Interesting, I kind of thought they might keep it separate (Swoop was always going to be absorbed, it had an expiry date for sure). But Sunwing was different, I thought they might keep the brand going. Oddly enough, this will re-establish WS's Toronto base, shorty after they worked to dismantle it... I mean that by # of flights, they will likely surpass YVR again once Sunwing is added. But it will basically add a ton of sun flights, it won't be anything like the previous YYZ hub. I'm sure they won't add all of Sunwing's frequencies to WS though, I'm sure there will be some consolidation and sharper route deployment.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2023, 5:05 AM
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WK resumes service to ZRH tomorrow, the last of the long-haul routes for this summer. Be interesting to see how it plays out this year with the massive WS increases.

Speaking of WS, both FCO / BCN are seeing a very high number of US connections. On some days, there's even more onward US pax then domestic ones.
That’s pretty much what WS is banking on. They need that strong feed to fill those big planes.
Yields will be an interesting component to watch.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2023, 5:11 AM
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You can't really compare the situation to YVR, it's apples and oranges. WS has the power to become a true fortress hub at YYC, and it's making that happen. AC is nowhere near fortress territory at YVR, so they're more about adding at select growth markets (SE Asia, US cities) than muscling out competitors like WS on every route. That's why they've essentially shared lots of routes for years without one muscling the other out, it's essentially status quo more or less. YYC is really lucky to have WS as their own hub, that's the big difference between them there, and AC at YVR. For YYC to get ROM, BCN, EDI, two dailies to LHR, and so many more, is a result of them dismantling their YYZ base. But AC would never shift their European ops to YVR, it would make no sense. So YYC gets the fun Euro routes. (and surely more foreign ones soon), and YVR gets the Asian cities (and hopefully a South American one).
True. Also, AC at YVR has all the foreign carriers to compete with. YYC has only one year-round intl carrier (KL) and two seasonal ones - and one of those very limited seasonal. So all in all WS really has YYC wrapped up.
However, Westjet is still very prominent at YVR as a bigger pie to share.
Unlike what AC has become at YYC.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2023, 11:32 PM
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New ATL redeye is rocking right along, doing even better than I expected.

Clearing customs in ATL after a redeye seems highly unpleasant so I'd never fly it, personally.
No preclearance at YYC?

Is that due tot the departure time?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 12:52 AM
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No preclearance at YYC?

Is that due tot the departure time?
It’s just that one flight. Departs outside of preclearance hours.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2023, 4:15 AM
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I've always felt the opposite.... the customs hall and the boarding lounges are ridiculously small for a brand new terminal that was built with dreams of international wide-body growth. YYC will be a miserable experience for passengers flying in and out on Westjet’s Dreamliners, despite the fact they are using an almost brand new facility.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2023, 7:19 PM
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May 2023 Stats:

Domestic: 1,107,816 +14.1% YTD: 4,574,520 +37.03%
Transborder: 275,920 +33.7% YTD: 1,268,090 +58.66%
International: 168,927 +52.9% YTD: 904,447 +79.36%

May Total: 1,552,663 +21.6%
2023 YTD: 6,747,057 +45.35%

For the first time, YYC has surpassed its 2019 totals in ALL 3 sectors including the monthly total.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2023, 10:29 PM
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That’s huge!! commuting through YYC this summer is has been absolutely packed.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2023, 1:42 AM
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I've always felt the opposite.... the customs hall and the boarding lounges are ridiculously small for a brand new terminal that was built with dreams of international wide-body growth. YYC will be a miserable experience for passengers flying in and out on Westjet’s Dreamliners, despite the fact they are using an almost brand new facility.
Trying to figure out who’s more negative towards WS or YYC… you or ACE.YYC
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2023, 3:25 AM
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I've always felt the opposite.... the customs hall and the boarding lounges are ridiculously small for a brand new terminal that was built with dreams of international wide-body growth. YYC will be a miserable experience for passengers flying in and out on Westjet’s Dreamliners, despite the fact they are using an almost brand new facility.
Sadly very true.

While it’s aesthetically quite nice, the new terminal is a monument to incompetent design. They never bothered to take into account fundamental things like user behaviour, passenger flows or - apparently - growth.

Pre-board screening is oddly cramped right before and after the screening machines — with awkward, makeshift routing of people from the front of the line to the unpacking stations, nowhere near enough space to repack, and space to put shoes back on was just an afterthought.

The CBSA primary inspection space for arriving passengers is an overly crammed sea of kiosks with unnecessarily confusing paths for users. And just a few years in, it often maxes out — forcing people to stand in the approach ramps from the gates to wait. Room for growth? Zip.

The unbelievably bad idea to create a “call to gate” design in departures meant the space was intentionally created to not have any seating at the gates. Once they understood (after opening) that pretty much every airline passenger has a strong desire to find their gate and wait there — they crammed in a few banks of seats where they could. But there’s nowhere near enough. The needed seating now blocks foot traffic there. And there’s no power available at the seating for passengers to charge electronics … in a brand new terminal whose aircraft almost all require BYOD.

Boarding area at the gates? In addition to not recognizing the universal desire of passengers to wait at their gate prior to boarding, they also didn’t account for the fact that airlines board by zones — and most often create separate queues by zone at each gate. Especially international carriers. And the bigger the plane, the bigger the desire to create multiple queues. European carriers will often create 5 queues at each gate - one per boarding zone - that’s in addition to the queue to get to the counter to get help from an agent. The space for that in the new building? Zip. Every airline will still roll out their zone markers (most here only use two lanes, because there’s no space to do much else).

One major pain point… The D gates in the high 70s are a constant gong show — especially because they’re the gates often frequented by the bigger aircraft. When those gates are all in use, boarding is utter chaos. It’s like the concourse at the Saddledome during an intermission, with queues overlapping and blocking other queues. It’s nuts. I cringe when I hear gate agents trying to explain where to board and asking people to stay back from the gate until their zone is called — when there’s no room to stand anywhere else. It’s bad enough when it’s all 737s there. Toss in a couple of 787s or a 767 or a big Airbus? The space does not function. It’s broken.

Or the transborder E gates in the low 70s? Who was the designer or architect who said “let’s take multiple gates, where people will be boarding at the same time, and squish them all together into one mega-gate with multiple counters and row upon row of stanchions all beside each other leading to those counters”? From a user perspective, the space does not work. It’s complicated. It’s stress-inducing. I imagine it must be a huge PITA for airline staff too.

And worst of all — the connection between the new terminal and the old domestic terminal. In one teeny area, there’s a big U-turn for the golf carts, a bunch of foot traffic between domestic and international, all on top of a couple of horrendously poorly though out domestic gates (the C70s). The whole area just looks and feels … nonsensical. On top of that, the access between the domestic and intl terminals is nothing more than a tiny little door and a narrow hallway. It’s more like entering a secret speakeasy than making a major international transfer.

Is it better than the old B gate U.S. concourse? Absolutely. Is it what a major international airport built in 2016 should be? Nope. Is it expandable or scalable for the future? That seems unlikely. Most of the design problems in the current building are so deeply embedded that they’re not fixable, but they’ll probably restrict future growth.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2023, 12:07 PM
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Is it better than the old B gate U.S. concourse? Absolutely. Is it what a major international airport built in 2016 should be? Nope. Is it expandable or scalable for the future? That seems unlikely. Most of the design problems in the current building are so deeply embedded that they’re not fixable, but they’ll probably restrict future growth.
The only problem with the B concourse was they divided it down the middle. Had they allocated the entire concourse to US it would have been fine.

Then build two twins of the A concourse for expanding domestic and international gates.

Instead they build a terminal that was trying to make a statement.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2023, 2:01 PM
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May 2023 Stats:

Domestic: 1,107,816 +14.1% YTD: 4,574,520 +37.03%
Transborder: 275,920 +33.7% YTD: 1,268,090 +58.66%
International: 168,927 +52.9% YTD: 904,447 +79.36%

May Total: 1,552,663 +21.6%
2023 YTD: 6,747,057 +45.35%

For the first time, YYC has surpassed its 2019 totals in ALL 3 sectors including the monthly total.
Great to see that despite the major AC cuts YYC is still exceeding pre pandemic levels. YYC is doing really well passenger traffic and routes wise. Very impressive
     
     
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