Expo Line - Surrey Langley Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 242

Firebrand · #**4821** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 2:53 PM**

Jesus! It’ll make the Cambie cut-n-cover look like a minor inconvenience.

I was referring to Langley blindly accepting LRT, so they’re basically saying “we’re ok if we get shafted”. Why is the NDP too coward to even say about this?

xd_1771 · #**4822** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 5:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by logicbomb

Also found out...104th Ave would be entirely CLOSED during construction. KGB would be down to 1 lane each direction during construction.

This is very likely what would happen, based on images I've seen of LRT & streetcar construction in Kitchener-Waterloo and in Toronto. I'd love to make more noise over this... but it would help to have a definite source, like some sort of leaked construction plan detailing the closures.

officedweller · #**4823** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 6:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

From the City of Langley’s document.
Monday, March 7, 2018 @ 7:00pm

https://pub-langleycity.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=5363

So they decided to throw SkyTrain out of the window. I’m losing my $&3t over this.

Remember that the entire 98 B-Line infrastructure was demolished for the Canada Line.
My thinking is that if the B-Line down Fraser Hwy gets clogged up by all the diagonal intersections,
then there'll be a rethink on the at-grade LRT.

This is less than what the 98 B-Line had:

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* real time information is something TransLink is working on to have in place for the launch of the service or very soon after;
* the current objective is to work with municipalities through their municipal street furniture programs to have shelters at 100% of the stops along the B-Line network;
* custom branded shelters and off-board fare payment are longer term visions and are not currently part of the scope of this project;

https://pub-langleycity.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=5363

Firebrand · #**4824** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 7:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Remember that the entire 98 B-Line infrastructure was demolished for the Canada Line.
My thinking is that if the B-Line down Fraser Hwy gets clogged up by all the diagonal intersections,
then there'll be a rethink on the at-grade LRT.

Maybe Langley will have a rethink, but Surrey will not. They will do anything to keep SkyTrain out of the radar.

swimmer_spe · #**4825** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 8:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by logicbomb

The NDP did not want this but they do not want to piss off the business community and developers..so they have committed funding. The community there is being run by developers...and they hold too much sway.

This is where the entire City needs to come out and protest this. This is potentially the last resort as the City are going to begin construction in Spring 2019.

Also found out...104th Ave would be entirely CLOSED during construction. KGB would be down to 1 lane each direction during construction.

Would any streets be closed or reduced to 1 lane for a Skytrain construction?

officedweller · #**4826** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 8:16 PM**

The extent of closures - if it were SkyTrain- would depend on the allignment - centre of road or side of road.
Centre of road would have more impact, but one lane each way could probably be maintained, but centre of road makes for complex super tall statons like Brentwood.
Side of road is better, with smaller stations like Holdom.

Firebrand · #**4827** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 8:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

The extent of closures - if it were SkyTrain- would depend on the allignment - centre of road or side of road.
Centre of road would have more impact, but one lane each way could probably be maintained, but centre of road makes for complex super tall statons like Brentwood.
Side of road is better, with smaller stations like Holdom.

There’s a large space on Fraser Hwy @ 160th where you can put a station there. It’s adjacent to the north of Fraser Hwy.

Migrant_Coconut · #**4828** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 8:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

Why is the NDP too coward to even say about this?

See, the Liberals got voted out because they completely shunned the Metro Van municipalities and did their own thing; in some cases that was good (Massey Bridge, Evergreen becoming SkyTrain instead), in some cases that was bad (no more transit funding without a vote, a lot of other stupid crap instead).

The NDP has decided to take the exact opposite approach and approve everything the mayors ask for, like they're in an Alpine Credits commercial. So we're once again getting the good (Broadway extension) along with the bad (Surrey LRT).

Firebrand · #**4829** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 9:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

The NDP has decided to take the exact opposite approach and approve everything the mayors ask for, like they're in an Alpine Credits commercial. So we're once again getting the good (Broadway extension) along with the bad (Surrey LRT).

So Langley is fucked then. It’ll never have a chance to get SkyTrain.

Migrant_Coconut · #**4830** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 9:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

So Langley is fucked then. It’ll never have a chance to get SkyTrain.

It's not over until the fat lady sings. The Langley phase is 10+ years into the future; a lot of things (Hepner/Horgan getting voted out, Langley seeing the sh*tshow in Surrey and changing their minds) can happen between then and now.

idunno · #**4831** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 9:26 PM**

^^This. I think once people see the result of LRT construction/implementation, they'll opt for Skytrain.

Migrant_Coconut · #**4832** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 9:35 PM**

Problem there is that once that happens, it'll be nigh impossible to build the LRT lines (SW Marine/Arbutus/False Creek, Steveston, Surrey interurban) that could work well. (sigh) Such is life.

Firebrand · #**4833** Posted **Mar 20, 2018, 9:46 PM**

I have a tendency to “predict” the negative outcome of something while ignoring the factors of said outcome. I think I’ve read too much r/vancouver and DailyHive.

flipper316 · #**4834** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 6:49 AM**

For those of you not on reddit Vancouver there's a healthy thread about the LRT. There have been many in the past as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/85vb7k/so_why_is_surrey_going_with_lrt/

flipper316 · #**4835** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 7:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by logicbomb

The NDP did not want this but they do not want to piss off the business community and developers..so they have committed funding. The community there is being run by developers...and they hold too much sway.

This is where the entire City needs to come out and protest this. This is potentially the last resort as the City are going to begin construction in Spring 2019.

Also found out...104th Ave would be entirely CLOSED during construction. KGB would be down to 1 lane each direction during construction.

Yikes.

Migrant_Coconut · #**4836** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 7:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

For those of you not on reddit Vancouver there's a healthy thread about the LRT. There have been many in the past as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/85vb7k/so_why_is_surrey_going_with_lrt/

For some reason, the LRT vs SkyTrain redditors also like to use posts from this particular thread to back up their argument...

Firebrand · #**4837** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 1:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

For those of you not on reddit Vancouver there's a healthy thread about the LRT. There have been many in the past as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/85vb7k/so_why_is_surrey_going_with_lrt/

That thread is pretty unusual. Past threads like this one are usually more toxic.

flipper316 · #**4838** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 8:10 AM**

More foreshadowing coming to Surrey LRT. According to video 25 incidents in the past 2 years.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyPpYvMkR_I

aberdeen5698 · #**4839** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 8:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

More foreshadowing coming to Surrey LRT. According to video 25 incidents in the past 2 years.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyPpYvMkR_I

So what's the deal with that tunnel anyway? From the video it looks like cars drive down the paved ramp and then get stuck when the pavement ends and there's nothing but rails.

If that's the case, then why is the ramp paved? They could make it a lot harder for people to screw up by removing the pavement on the approach and the ramp so that people simply couldn't drive down it.

cganuelas1995 · #**4840** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 8:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

So what's the deal with that tunnel anyway? From the video it looks like cars drive down the paved ramp and then get stuck when the pavement ends and there's nothing but rails.

If that's the case, then why is the ramp paved? They could make it a lot harder for people to screw up by removing the pavement on the approach and the ramp so that people simply couldn't drive down it.

Or perhaps, put an area denial device like tire spikes at the portal that can retract when a train comes by?