Winnipeg Construction IX

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by EndoftheBeginning

139 Tuxedo has started, piles are being driven.

Render from the web page. It's a Karma Development project.



Quick drive by shot from the dash cam

That is literally the first new apartment in the old part of Tuxedo in 31 yrs.

I remember 1975 AD when 1975 Corydon was the only building on Tuxedo's skyline.

And these were the songs playing in the Top40 that year.

[Urban recluse]

Originally Posted by Tacheguy

about the young people leaving. That used to be true during the oil boom but doesn't really hold today. some leave of course, but others are coming the other way. our net outmigration is caused by baby boomers cashing out and saying goodbye to winter. they are going to bc largely. not necessarily Vancouver but the Okanogan and Vancouver island.

I would need to see stats, as I don't think this is true. I hope I'm wrong.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

We have towns which are no cities which are BOOMING. Morden -Winkler - Steinbach etc etc etc.

I agree that there are some small cities, towns and RMs in southern Manitoba are booming by any reasonable definition of the word. But that isn't what we're talking about... the issue was whether Winnipeg is booming.

[Urban recluse]

I would say TO is, and from what I read recently, and from visiting there, Halifax is, but Winnipeg: no.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Tacheguy

about the young people leaving. That used to be true during the oil boom but doesn't really hold today. some leave of course, but others are coming the other way. our net outmigration is caused by baby boomers cashing out and saying goodbye to winter. they are going to bc largely. not necessarily Vancouver but the Okanogan and Vancouver island.

Don't know how many still move out to BC with there overinflated real estate prices, your better off staying here and buying a second home in the southern US, many I know have done just that! Six months in lake country and six months in the sun of AZ or FL sounds pretty good compared to 8 months of rain in BC with iffy summers and lots of smoke!

[Urban recluse]

As long as you can get insurance.

[Kronos]

Most of my senior patients overwhelmingly go to AZ, TX, or FL for the winter, with BC/Okanogan being a distant second. A good majority of them still are able to get insurance, and if they're really sick, they don't bother traveling. Southern states are warmer than the. BC interior in winter which allows for a lot more golf, which seems to be a huge factor for people wintering someplace else.

[buzzg]

Winnipeg is growing, not booming. But it's healthy. We have such a diverse economy that we'll likely never boom - which isn't a bad thing. Look what happened with housing in TO and VAN, and in general in CGY/AB. Really, the only way I see us "booming" in the near foreseeable future would be if the tech sector takes off.

Young people are definitely not only staying here, but coming here. From my conversations, people in their 20s now often have the mindset "there's lots going on in Winnipeg now." It's definitely a combination of the fact that there is a lot of good stuff happening here, and that the younger generation tends to want different things out of life, and quality of life is a big one.

Back to construction - why does that apartment in Tuxedo look like it's being modelled after a Greek frat house in the States? Yikes.

[biguc]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Don't know how many still move out to BC with there overinflated real estate prices, your better off staying here and buying a second home in the southern US, many I know have done just that! Six months in lake country and six months in the sun of AZ or FL sounds pretty good compared to 8 months of rain in BC with iffy summers and lots of smoke!

There are so many people from my age group moving to Vancouver these days it's becoming a cliché. Nobody goes to Calgary anymore, but people around 30 (give or take) are dying for Vancouver. A good urban lifestyle is a big factor in where millenials choose to live.

Anyway, Winnipeg is posting strong growth by any standard. It's not booming like Alberta did, but that was really abnormal. Given that a place can boom, bust, or stagnate, it's clear which state of growth Winnipeg is in now.

[Urban recluse]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Winnipeg is growing, not booming. But it's healthy. We have such a diverse economy that we'll likely never boom - which isn't a bad thing. Look what happened with housing in TO and VAN, and in general in CGY/AB. Really, the only way I see us "booming" in the near foreseeable future would be if the tech sector takes off.

Young people are definitely not only staying here, but coming here. From my conversations, people in their 20s now often have the mindset "there's lots going on in Winnipeg now." It's definitely a combination of the fact that there is a lot of good stuff happening here, and that the younger generation tends to want different things out of life, and quality of life is a big one.

Back to construction - why does that apartment in Tuxedo look like it's being modelled after a Greek frat house in the States? Yikes.

The city approves just about anything.

[Urban recluse]

Originally Posted by biguc

There are so many people from my age group moving to Vancouver these days it's becoming a cliché. Nobody goes to Calgary anymore, but people around 30 (give or take) are dying for Vancouver. A good urban lifestyle is a big factor in where millenials choose to live.

Anyway, Winnipeg is posting strong growth by any standard. It's not booming like Alberta did, but that was really abnormal. Given that a place can boom, bust, or stagnate, it's clear which state of growth Winnipeg is in now.

There is actually a new outmigration of young people from Vancouver because of the cost of living.

[Tacheguy]

it is virtually impossible to deconstruct interprovincial migration numbers in a meaningful way. I remember one study tried looking at provincial health registration changes, but that only gave ages and not education levels. so anecdotal stories, driven by ones family and social settings, drive the narrative for the most part.

anyway, booming is not a word that attracts me..i prefer renaissance when talking about Winnipeg

[buzzg]

^Yeah, like it's fine really because it's in a suburban residential area... I'm just surprised anyone would want to develop or design something like that lol.

[WolselyMan]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Really, the only way I see us "booming" in the near foreseeable future would be if the tech sector takes off.

There's a painfully straightforward way how you could get a tech boom going here.

1. We have some of the lowest, and oftentimes THE LOWEST electricity prices in North America; virtually all of it is carbon free renewable hydro power.

2. The export market for our hydro (particularly to the states) is gone, finished. The Midwest is swimming in cheap plentiful natural gas, and our hydro export prices aren't competitive anymore with electrical generation from local gas plants.

3. Stop letting Hydro continue their lobotomized business practice of subsidizing exportation of electricity to the states (which result in a net LOSS of profits for the province). With the export market gone and done with, Hydro would be free to instead focus on bringing down electricity prices for Manitoba's domestic market, and redirect the entire energy surplus to our advanced manufacturing sector. Manitoba should of done this right from the very start and never dabble in the export market to begin with.

4. In addition to reserving all of our hydro electricity for our province's economy, which will reliably keep our electricity prices at the very bottom, further complement our immense Hydro infrastructure with building a dozen new natural gas plants, which we have many untapped reserves of in the province will produce clean low CO2 emitting electricity that can provide further redundancy in our power generation. It can also act as back up during drought seasons.

5. These two steps (redirecting towards the domestic market and utilizing cheap natural gas) could not only reliably keep Winnipeg at the top in terms of the cheapest electricity, but the cheapest by an incredibly long shot. There wouldn't even be another North American city that would even approach our prices.

You could also crack down on our massive waste of power that residential customers in Manitoba hog up. Set up incentives for Manitobans to use their electricity more responsively so that we can reserve all of that electricity to advanced industrial customers.

6. Great, so we have rock bottom electricity prices established. But wouldn't it be super convenient if we also had perfect freight transportation infrastructure all around the city? So that we could ship off our high tech products easily to any part of the continent? Oh yeah, that's right! CENTREPOINT! The biggest inland port in North America is located right beside the city. How coincidentally convenient!

7. Get the provincial government to advertise like 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 crazy to every high power demanding, advanced, high brow manufacturing industry to set up shop here. And I can't emphasize enough, ADVANCED TECH industries. The last thing we need is another giant industrial wasteland like st. Boniface, filled with cheap and dirty polluting industries like Tyre factories and metal shredders. I'd much rather have complex manufacturing plants for everything from planes, helicopters, metro trains, solar panels, robotics, computer chips, electric vehicle batteries, to even something as specialized as tunnel boring machines. Winnipeg has the potential to become a hub for all of those tech products that will define the 21st century and everything after it. And we can do it all while bankrupting china, protecting the environment, and 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 off Trump that a Non-American economy is stealing his advice with so much success.

........All we have to do first is get Manitoba Hydro off it's death bed.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by biguc

There are so many people from my age group moving to Vancouver these days it's becoming a cliché. Nobody goes to Calgary anymore, but people around 30 (give or take) are dying for Vancouver. A good urban lifestyle is a big factor in where millenials choose to live.

Anyway, Winnipeg is posting strong growth by any standard. It's not booming like Alberta did, but that was really abnormal. Given that a place can boom, bust, or stagnate, it's clear which state of growth Winnipeg is in now.

I was strictly speaking of people selling here and moving to the coast in retirement which I don't think is an alternative to many now with over inflated real estate prices in Van and Vic.

[Wolf13]

Well, considering we moved onto the topic I had to delete like 8 quotes lol. I value planning, I do, but the attitude that planning causes a city to thrive moreso than someone's investment, risk, elbow grease, etc... it's absolutely laughable. There is a sweet spot, but ultimately planning should be a guide to help create neighbourhoods rather than judge and jury over the citizens good, hard work. Maybe a bylaw was bent for IJ, but bylaws aren't Jesus, or Kanye, or whomever/whatever you worship.

If you make it hard for people to make money, they leave. It's one of many reasons successful people, or ambitious young professionals have left over the years. Make it easier for people to succeed, now you have a strong economic foundation and can NOW enforce bylaws stricter. Notre Dame and Isabel have a whole lot of 🞵🞵🞵🞵 that can be redeveloped "properly" to "save" the neighbourhood for the next 30 years, even if this opportunity was "missed".

Originally Posted by jmt18325

It's not? The economy and population are growing faster than they have in decades. It's passed another Canadian city in population for the first time in decades, and will soon pass another. It's booming.

Edit: It actually did pass Quebec City now, so it's passed two cities in population that had in earlier times passed it. Over 15000 people a year are added to the population.

Is it booming or just growing? Growth is good, but don't get me all excited with words like booming...


So what else has Karma developed? Because that thing is ugly as sin and I don't think I'm breaching my own sermon above when I say someone whould make them cut off that paper hat on top.

The owner drives a McLaren, so I'm jealous as 🞵🞵🞵🞵... angrier yet if it comes from such visual crimes.

[robertocarlos]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

I was strictly speaking of people selling here and moving to the coast in retirement which I don't think is an alternative to many now with over inflated real estate prices in Van and Vic.

You could sell here and rent there. That might work out.

[buzzg]

WolselyMan for new Hydro CEO! ... Seriously though, I never understood why Hydro started to push toward exports... that's the opposite of what a gov't institution should be focusing on.

^ And Wolf, Karma hasn't developed anything really before. They started as an interior design company and then added property management. If they have done entire projects before, I'd be surprised if it was anything more than a duplex.

I couldn't figure out what looked so odd about the project - then realized it looks like all the parking is above ground with the apartments on top. Look at that main entrance - that's brutal!

[DowntownBooster]

Originally Posted by buzzg

WolselyMan for new Hydro CEO! ... Seriously though, I never understood why Hydro started to push toward exports... that's the opposite of what a gov't institution should be focusing on.

^ And Wolf, Karma hasn't developed anything really before. They started as an interior design company and then added property management. If they have done entire projects before, I'd be surprised if it was anything more than a duplex.

I couldn't figure out what looked so odd about the project - then realized it looks like all the parking is above ground with the apartments on top. Look at that main entrance - that's brutal!

Hydro was supposed to be our oil. However, unlike oil which has limited alternatives for the most part, hydro can be powered through various means (nuclear, coal, etc.) and it seems that other provinces/states would rather use these alternatives in order to support their own workers/resources than purchase clean and renewable hydro from Manitoba. Hydro is definitely not our oil when it comes to exports.

[buzzg]

Yes but it is private companies that take on the risk of extracting and producing oil, not a government agency. That's the huge difference here, that is going to come back to haunt us.