The Great Canadian Skyline Thread!

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by middeljohn

9 million includes KWCG + Niagara = 1 million, Barrie =150k, Peterborough = 100k, rest of hinterland around also adds up to a few hundred thousand.

Those probably aren't suburbs though... A suburb means that a significant proportion of the population works in the major city, which I don't think is the case with these cities, so they shouldn't be included in the stats no?

For example, Saint-Hyacinthe (50,000) and Drummondville (70,000) are respectively located 50 and 70 minutes from Downtown but don't count as part of Greater Montreal...

[GreaterMontréal]

Melbourne metro area is huge. 9,990.5 km2 4,347,955

more than 2 times larger than Greater Montréal.

[middeljohn]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Those probably aren't suburbs though... A suburb means that a significant proportion of the population works in the major city, which I don't think is the case with these cities, so they shouldn't be included in the stats no?

For example, Saint-Hyacinthe (50,000) and Drummondville (70,000) are respectively 50 and 70 minutes from Downtown but don't count as Greater Montreal...

Sorry, I elaborated on that post after submitting the first time which would answer your question. You must've begun typing before I finished editing.

[Klazu]

Beautiful Vancity

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by middeljohn

Sorry, I elaborated on that post after submitting the first time which would answer your question. You must've begun typing before I finished editing.

Yep, just read the rest of your post lol!

American cities are crazy with their stats... For example: Wheeling, WV has a population of just below 30,000, yet is the centre of an MSA comprising a population of 145,000

[Trans Canada]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Beautiful Vancity

Whoa, great shot. How long did you stake out that spot to get the right lighting?

Always enjoy your photos Klaus.

[cyeg66]

Thanks for all the great pics in this thread, guys (and gals?). I've saved more than a few, cheques are in the mail... Seems our cities are getting all "growed up".

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

My mistake, but I really don't see where the 9 million comes from...

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Those probably aren't suburbs though...

This is what was said: "The GGH is more populated than Melbourne and Sydney put together."

I'm just a little taken aback that you'd argue that the above statement isn't true when you clearly don't know what the GGH is.

[kool maudit]

Originally Posted by flipv

That's great and all, but it's 2014.

holy shit you're right.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Beautiful Vancity

Stunning. Breathtaking. Vancouver's natural setting is unbeatable in North America (I'd put San Francisco second). Ranks with Rio, Hong Kong, and a handful of other cities. No telephoto lens is needed to bring out the mountains in Van. They are just right there.

[Allan83]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Stunning. Breathtaking. Vancouver's natural setting is unbeatable in North America (I'd put San Francisco second). Ranks with Rio, Hong Kong, and a handful of other cities. No telephoto lens is needed to bring out the mountains in Van. They are just right there.

lol! Completely ... obsessed ... with Calgary.

[MolsonExport]

^LOL!! Completely obsessed...with taking Toronto down a peg or two!


I lived in Vancouver for years. Nearby Seattle was very often depicted in photographs with Mount Rainier looming large over the city, but that did not reflect reality. Maybe you are the one obsessed with Calgary, since you automatically concluded I was referring to it.

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by isaidso

This is what was said: "The GGH is more populated than Melbourne and Sydney put together."

I'm just a little taken aback that you'd argue that the above statement isn't true when you clearly don't know what the GGH is.

Yes it's the Greater Golden Horseshoe which includes not only Toronto and it's surroundings but also Hamilton and it's surroundings. But why would you compare the GGH to Sydney and Melbourne together when there is 900 km between both cities?

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by Trans Canada

Whoa, great shot. How long did you stake out that spot to get the right lighting?

I took it while reading SSP. This is the view from my bedroom, so no need to stake out or anything.

There are very beautiful sunsets, sunrises, fogs, cloud formations and other weather phenomenons taking place every now and then, so I have my camera always ready. I will be posting more of those in the future.

[1overcosc]

It should be emphasized that Toronto and Chicago have very similar metropolitan populations.

When they say Chicago has a metro population of 10m, it's using the American definition of metropolitan area which is much more generous than StatCan's CMA concept. If we applied the US CSA definitions to Canada, then Toronto's metro would include Hamilton, Barrie, and K-W for a population of about 9m or so. Similarly if we applied StatCan's more restrictive CMA definition to the US, Chicago would be about 7m or so.

Apples-to-apples, Toronto and Chicago have about the same population--Toronto being behind by a few hundred thousand people. Meaning of course that in 10-20 years time Toronto will pull ahead as Toronto is growing faster.

Its interesting that applying city proper definitions exaggerates the size of Canadian cities relative to US ones, while apply metropolitan definitions using each country's criteria does exactly the opposite.

I once had fun with Eastern Ontario's numbers and found that by the US CSA definition, Ottawa's 'metro' would include Hawkesbury, Lancaster, and Ganonoque, all of which are very distant from the city and nowhere near close to being reasonably considered metropolitan Ottawa.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

It should be emphasized that Toronto and Chicago have very similar metropolitan populations.

When they say Chicago has a metro population of 10m, it's using the American definition of metropolitan area which is much more generous than StatCan's CMA concept. If we applied the US CSA definitions to Canada, then Toronto's metro would include Hamilton, Barrie, and K-W for a population of about 9m or so. Similarly if we applied StatCan's more restrictive CMA definition to the US, Chicago would be about 7m or so.

Apples-to-apples, Toronto and Chicago have about the same population--Toronto being behind by a few hundred thousand people. Meaning of course that in 10-20 years time Toronto will pull ahead as Toronto is growing faster.

Its interesting that applying city proper definitions exaggerates the size of Canadian cities relative to US ones, while apply metropolitan definitions using each country's criteria does exactly the opposite.

I once had fun with Eastern Ontario's numbers and found that by the US CSA definition, Ottawa's 'metro' would include Hawkesbury, Lancaster, and Ganonoque, all of which are very distant from the city and nowhere near close to being reasonably considered metropolitan Ottawa.

If Ottawa-Gatineau were an American metro it would likely be pushing 2 million. Or already there even.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I took it while reading SSP. This is the view from my bedroom, so no need to stake out or anything.

There are very beautiful sunsets, sunrises, fogs, cloud formations and other weather phenomenons taking place every now and then, so I have my camera always ready. I will be posting more of those in the future.

Awesome pic Klazu, but what do you think you are doing interrupting this thread with a "skyline" picture. Can't you see there is another Toronto vs. Chicago debate going on

[kool maudit]

Originally Posted by Acajack

If Ottawa-Gatineau were an American metro it would likely be pushing 2 million. Or already there even.

the question is whether the presence of these extended metros allows one to reasonably say things like "ottawa has two million people."

because while ottawa may be the largest city in a conurbation whose combines population approaches two million, ottawa itself doesn't seem like a "city of two million", just as amsterdam doesn't seem like a "city of seven million people."

the latter, of course, is part of the randstad conurbation which does add up to seven million or so, but claiming all that for amsterdam (the largest single entity) kind of means you are saying "the hague is a city of zero people."

informally, amsterdam feels like a city of about two million people insofar as adding up amsterdam plus the undeniably amsterdam-dependent parts of the randstad might give you something like that. ottawa feels like a city of about 800,000 people, similar to richmond, milwaukee or maybe belgrade.

[flipv]

Originally Posted by kool maudit

informally, amsterdam feels like a city of about two million people insofar as adding up amsterdam plus the undeniably amsterdam-dependent parts of the randstad might give you something like that. ottawa feels like a city of about 800,000 people, similar to richmond, milwaukee or maybe belgrade.

Err what? I'm always taken aback how Belgrade feels even larger than Toronto (nauseating density will do that). It's a city of 2M - why compare to Richmond and Milwaukee?

Comparing Ottawa to Belgrade is like comparing Toronto to St John's.

[Calgarian]

That vancouver shot is stunning!