Calgary International Airport II

[MrBigStuff]

Originally Posted by North_Regina_Boy

Umm Alberta / Calgary = Country music fans. Nashville (one of the best places for country music)

Makes a lot of sense to me!

Thanks for going to bat for me and others who go to Nashville.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Using those numbers we can also figure out how many people are hubbing through Calgary and other cities roughly - not perfectly due to catchment areas being different sizes of course. 2,729,130 boardings and arrivals for 2012 for a net loss of 340,080 transborder passengers due to hubbing through other airports.

Actually the other way around. A gain as the number of passengers is larger than our O&D numbers. Geographic location advantage in Western Canada.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by MrBigStuff

Thanks for going to bat for me and others who go to Nashville.

There is no doubt there are people from Calgary who travel to Nashville. But to suggest a direct flight based on about 12 passengers a day in each direction, especially on an airline whose smallest plane seats about 140 pax, is a bit of a stretch don't you think. And I don't think WN (if they were to come here at all) would use BNA as its hub for YYC passengers anyway.

[Joborule]

Has YYC reverted to non parallel operations in the night time? I noticed that planes are landing along runway 29 at night of late.

[cyeg66]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Has YYC reverted to non parallel operations in the night time? I noticed that planes are landing along runway 29 at night of late.

Always kept to the old way of doing business, never needed to "revert to non-parallel."

Originally Posted by Joborule

Has YYC reverted to non parallel operations in the night time? I noticed that planes are landing along runway 29 at night of late.

'Reverted' would be a slight misnomer; night ops basically have not changed. Land 29, depart 35L, as always... except for when they land 35R for some unknown reason between 6 AM and 7 AM, I'm not there to see if they're actually doing that but it's in the noise procedures.

Edit: beaten to it!

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Sometimes I do get a good laugh from some comments....

According to CANSIM data Nashville to/from all of Canada had about 83,000 total O&D traffic for 2012. About 113 pax per day travelling from Canada to Nashville.

I think this number alone would indicate not that many people would be travelling from Calgary (or anywhere else in Canada) to Nashville.

That's fair. Better to have direct to Atlanta. Can get myself to the southern US quickly

[The Fisher Account]

The former Air Traffic Control Tower that served YYC for over 26 yrs is being dismantled starting today. Learn more: http://ow.ly/zNuLv

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

The former Air Traffic Control Tower that served YYC for over 26 yrs is being dismantled starting today. Learn more: http://ow.ly/zNuLv

A robot, I kinda want to get a close up with this thing.

[Cage]

RE: Westjet Wide Body operations, something nobody is considering.....

Will Canada have to go back to divisive assignment of international route rights????? Anyone remember divide the world strategy?

Currently AC is the primary beneficiary of international route rights. But more precisely, they are the sole beneficiary of all the coveted route and slot rights. However with WS going into the wide body international sphere, when will WS start to ask for reciprocal rights and/or start to fight AC for new access rights.

To bring this home in an example, lets say the Transport Canada gets new access rights into China and slots at PEK, does the new rights go to AC so they can expand the market, or should the new rights go to WS in order to porvide competition. Would WS put the PEK route through YYC or YVR, my guess would be YVR because they wont have the risk appetite for launching a new route that may take several years to fully develop.

Through the LGA slot sale from DL-US market swap we have seen the WS is willing to put major dollars to be the big player. Will they try and buy their way into LHR, HND/NRT, China, HKG, PEK, etc?

I see the potential for the entrance of WS into wide body market to be major risk for YYC. Specifically, WS could get access into sought after markets, only to duplicate AC service out of YYZ and YVR. In turn this would be to the detriment of YYC.

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by Cage

RE: Westjet Wide Body operations, something nobody is considering.....

Will Canada have to go back to divisive assignment of international route rights????? Anyone remember divide the world strategy?

Currently AC is the primary beneficiary of international route rights. But more precisely, they are the sole beneficiary of all the coveted route and slot rights. However with WS going into the wide body international sphere, when will WS start to ask for reciprocal rights and/or start to fight AC for new access rights.

To bring this home in an example, lets say the Transport Canada gets new access rights into China and slots at PEK, does the new rights go to AC so they can expand the market, or should the new rights go to WS in order to porvide competition. Would WS put the PEK route through YYC or YVR, my guess would be YVR because they wont have the risk appetite for launching a new route that may take several years to fully develop.

Through the LGA slot sale from DL-US market swap we have seen the WS is willing to put major dollars to be the big player. Will they try and buy their way into LHR, HND/NRT, China, HKG, PEK, etc?

I see the potential for the entrance of WS into wide body market to be major risk for YYC. Specifically, WS could get access into sought after markets, only to duplicate AC service out of YYZ and YVR. In turn this would be to the detriment of YYC.

Could TC auction the rights off? Similar to what Industry Canada does with the wireless spectrum auctions? Sure it leaves it to the biggest wallet, but I would bet WS could get some significant coin if it wanted to compete.

[Nick]

I like how the news stories about the dismantling of the old cab say how thousands of successful landings and takeoffs were handled by that tower. At over 200k movements per year it's easily over 5 million. Just like how people brag how the new runway is the longest in Canada. Where is the former longest runway in Canada? Well it's a mile west of the new one.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by suburbia

If I were a betting man, I'd say Doug's last name is Ford. Same political stripes, that's for sure!

So liking Southwest Airlines implies a political leaning?

[tuffyy]

Originally Posted by Cage

RE: Westjet Wide Body operations, something nobody is considering.....

Will Canada have to go back to divisive assignment of international route rights????? Anyone remember divide the world strategy?

Currently AC is the primary beneficiary of international route rights. But more precisely, they are the sole beneficiary of all the coveted route and slot rights. However with WS going into the wide body international sphere, when will WS start to ask for reciprocal rights and/or start to fight AC for new access rights.

To bring this home in an example, lets say the Transport Canada gets new access rights into China and slots at PEK, does the new rights go to AC so they can expand the market, or should the new rights go to WS in order to porvide competition. Would WS put the PEK route through YYC or YVR, my guess would be YVR because they wont have the risk appetite for launching a new route that may take several years to fully develop.

Through the LGA slot sale from DL-US market swap we have seen the WS is willing to put major dollars to be the big player. Will they try and buy their way into LHR, HND/NRT, China, HKG, PEK, etc?

I see the potential for the entrance of WS into wide body market to be major risk for YYC. Specifically, WS could get access into sought after markets, only to duplicate AC service out of YYZ and YVR. In turn this would be to the detriment of YYC.

Part of me is thinking that WS will use it's 763's in more of a "Transatesque" model during the summer months rather than diving head first into offering daily European service to just a few destinations. The carrier could use it's WestJet Vacations brand more so during the summer months to a variety of European destinations rather than daily anywhere.

Comes with a little less risk of getting pushed out of a route such as Frankfurt if trying to compete with AC.

You could see more of a array of AMS, FRA, CDG etc.

Gives the carrier a chance to "feel out" the market before committing to a route and allowing as a example 2 763's based out west (YVR, YYC and YEG) and the other two in YYZ. Just a theory but maybe a wise one?

[MalcolmTucker]

WestJet should just buy 49% of Icelandair for a cool half billion (a 20% premium above the current share price) to provide service to Europe. Run an entirely different model. Connect much smaller airports. Cheaper than buying two new wide bodies.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Full Mountain

Could TC auction the rights off? Similar to what Industry Canada does with the wireless spectrum auctions? Sure it leaves it to the biggest wallet, but I would bet WS could get some significant coin if it wanted to compete.

The short answer is no, GoC cannot auction off the access rights. The reason being that Transport only grants access rights under certain predefined conditions, and then only for a short duration (e.g. the access rights are granted for 1-2 years) with customary procedure that the incumbent continues to utilize the right will retain said rights.

There are also countries that forbid selling of access rights.

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by Cage

The short answer is no, GoC cannot auction off the access rights. The reason being that Transport only grants access rights under certain predefined conditions, and then only for a short duration (e.g. the access rights are granted for 1-2 years) with customary procedure that the incumbent continues to utilize the right will retain said rights.

There are also countries that forbid selling of access rights.

ah, seems like there should be some sort of competitive process though. Granting rights is typically a great way for partisan politics to get in the way.

[cyeg66]

So, YUL just published Jan-Jun figures. Here's how they stack up:

2013: 6,945,919
2014: 7,157,409 (+3%)
Rolling 12 month: 14,306,642

...and YYC's:
2013: 6,790,920
2014: 7,306,001 (+7.6%)
Rolling 12 month: 14,831,155

So in basic terms, YYC was 150k behind at this point last year and is 150k ahead this year. YUL growth figures improved in May and June (over 6%) , so presumably the gap won't keep getting much bigger from here on.

[Cage]

Could not decide whether to put this article into YYC Airport forum or Public Transit forum. Decided the Policy Wonk vs the world bun fight would cause the Public Transit enthusiasts heads to explode.

Full link to the TorStar article: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/08/...de_a_fee_in_lieu_of_airport_parking.html

Basic run down is that YYZ is getting a a downtown to airport express rail service. The airport authority has mandated that each rail ticket include $1.85 charge in lieu of parking revenue (cover lost parking revenue). The transit geeks are furious.

My thoughts are in agreement with the GTAA. There is a surcharge for taxi fares leaving the airport so a same fee should apply to the rail link. $1.85 is less than $4 taxi charge. Ultimately the airport is not funding the rail link and if the rail link wants to come to the airport, they should be prepared to pay fair charges.

Getting into this with the YYC instance. The YYC airport should consider public transit pax the same as others and surcharge accordingly.

I know I am going to get burned in effigy for this post.

[MalcolmTucker]

If this was communicated better I doubt there would be any issue. Did Metrolinx pay anything for the land? If not, this is the land rent.