Edmonton Construction 11 (November 2011) - Page 480

Coldrsx · #**9581** Posted **Oct 28, 2013, 8:47 PM**

Cool Land use in Downtown Edmonton project/story... and my quick attempt to identify just how much of the 'blackness' we will be removing soon

http://www.matthewdance.ca/blog/urbanism...r&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

Hallsy's Toupee · #**9582** Posted **Oct 28, 2013, 8:58 PM**

I see some proposed infills with wrong locations...Dub Tower, Procura tower near Hotel Mac.

Coldrsx · #**9583** Posted **Oct 28, 2013, 9:00 PM**

Hotel Mac is correct, Dub kitty corner off... close enough.

Black Star · #**9584** Posted **Oct 28, 2013, 9:43 PM**

^^^ Looks good....

Coldrsx · #**9585** Posted **Oct 28, 2013, 11:35 PM**

Good to hear...

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edmo...ions+community+league/9093762/story.html

thefew32 · #**9586** Posted **Oct 29, 2013, 4:35 AM**

Is it correct that Epcor Tower (the new one) is not listed as mixed use? Is there no public lobby with stores? Actually I just don't understand what mixed use means according to this map. To have Manulife place, grant mac student housing, and railtown residential towers in the same category. ?

Skyisnolimit · #**9587** Posted **Oct 29, 2013, 4:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Good to hear...

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edmo...ions+community+league/9093762/story.html

Really appreciate all the info you post here saves a lot of surfing

kcantor · #**9588** Posted **Oct 29, 2013, 6:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Cool Land use in Downtown Edmonton project/story...
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an updated version of the ram/edacc/station lands pieces:

Coldrsx · #**9589** Posted **Oct 29, 2013, 6:40 PM**

Thank ken and very exciting.

Coldrsx · #**9590** Posted **Oct 29, 2013, 9:14 PM**

Good read on urban/suburban

http://thecostofsprawl.com/report/SP_SuburbanSprawl_Oct2013_opt.pdf

SHOFEAR · #**9591** Posted **Oct 29, 2013, 10:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Good read on urban/suburban

http://thecostofsprawl.com/report/SP_SuburbanSprawl_Oct2013_opt.pdf

I'd love for somebody to explain how what we consider mature neighbourhoods were developed in a way that did not cost the existing tax base.

s211 · #**9592** Posted **Oct 29, 2013, 10:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by cdnklc

an updated version of the ram/edacc/station lands pieces:

Just needs to lose the millstone Stationlands moniker.

CMD UW · #**9593** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 1:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by SHOFEAR

I'd love for somebody to explain how what we consider mature neighbourhoods were developed in a way that did not cost the existing tax base.

You are right. In fact if you took the taxes that are generated from a mature residential neighbourhood and compare it to what it costs to provide services to that neighbourhood there would be a deficit. It is the industrial and commercial uses that generate the highest proportion of taxes that essentially fund the majority of services that are required in both our existing and new neighbourhoods.

Design-mind · #**9594** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 3:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Cool Land use in Downtown Edmonton project/story... and my quick attempt to identify just how much of the 'blackness' we will be removing soon

HOORAY! Good bye vacant parking lots

Way to many in the downtown core.

Qafir Arnaut · #**9595** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 10:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by cdnklc

please note that i said that things are "far from perfect" in that department. and i am well of aware of some of the serious issues in that department ..., particularly in the inclusion of uninformed and unaffected groups and individuals who then expect to treated as equal stakeholders and become offended when they don't get their way.

Two words: Rollin Stanley (of Calgary planning dept). Within a day half of would be fired.

Shodan · #**9596** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 12:44 PM**

Interesting article on Ed Gibbons:

Time for city to 'go for the gusto'
Gibbons has big dreams for capital region

David Staples
Edmonton Journal

Wednesday, October 30, 2013

CREDIT: Shaughn Butts, Edmonton Journal
Coun. Ed Gibbons, city council's regional mastermind, wants Edmonton to push ahead with three regional annexations at once.

In the group photograph of Edmonton's new city council taken before Tuesday's official swearing-in ceremony, Coun. Ed Gibbons stood at the right hand of new Mayor Don Iveson. Gibbons' position was appropriate, not just because of his tenure on council.

During the election campaign, Iveson said his top priority if elected would be to get a fairer deal for Edmonton in the region, and thus build a stronger capital region. On this particular issue, the lowprofile Gibbons, 64, will help lead the charge.

Indeed, Gibbons is Edmonton's secret weapon. He's a quiet and largely unknown politician, but a major player on enough key regional and industrial committees that he's in a unique position to develop and push ahead an ambitious vision...

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SHOFEAR · #**9597** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 2:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by CMD UW

You are right. In fact if you took the taxes that are generated from a mature residential neighbourhood and compare it to what it costs to provide services to that neighbourhood there would be a deficit. It is the industrial and commercial uses that generate the highest proportion of taxes that essentially fund the majority of services that are required in both our existing and new neighbourhoods.

Don't get me started on industrial right now. Apparently annexing land for industial use (west side of proposed highway 2) is also now considered sprawl. Somehow we are supposed to squeeze in 3/4 of a million sqft distribution centers and multi ha fabrication yards on small brownfield sites.

rapid_business · #**9598** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 2:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by CMD UW

You are right. In fact if you took the taxes that are generated from a mature residential neighbourhood and compare it to what it costs to provide services to that neighbourhood there would be a deficit. It is the industrial and commercial uses that generate the highest proportion of taxes that essentially fund the majority of services that are required in both our existing and new neighbourhoods.

Which is evidence that property taxes on residential parcels are generally kept artificially low as they require this subsidy from other land uses. When these land uses are in shorter supply (eg. St. Albert) we start to see residential property taxes reflect a more accurate representation of service and infrastructure provision and maintenance.

CMD UW · #**9599** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 2:45 PM**

^St. Albert's issue is that it doesn't have a significant amount of industrial/commercial property tax. This is why they are trying desperately to develop more industrial / business parks versus residential.

Kevin_foster · #**9600** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 4:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by CMD UW

^St. Albert's issue is that it doesn't have a significant amount of industrial/commercial property tax. This is why they are trying desperately to develop more industrial / business parks versus residential.

Also which is why my tax bill is $5,500 for a SFH as opposed to ~$2,300 in the city.

We do have good snow removal though