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Old Posted May 15, 2009, 10:47 PM
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I'd like to shake Mr. Lewis' hand. Nice piece of work.

What's all that white stuff in the pictures. None of that up here in the central Yukon
I blame Jeff Rogstad, Saskatoon's funny man.

Wow, Yukon is quite the change of scenery, is that a permanent move? If you don't mind me asking, why Dawson City?

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I have a curious question about Credit Union Centre seating capacity, specifically for hockey (15,015 for 2010 World Juniors).

The highlighted pink areas are vacant, why can't seating be added in those spots? Structural supports, Zamboni entrance?

Currently, there is 25 luxury boxes, is there room for more?


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Old Posted May 15, 2009, 11:58 PM
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I blame Jeff Rogstad, Saskatoon's funny man.

Wow, Yukon is quite the change of scenery, is that a permanent move? If you don't mind me asking, why Dawson City?

Sadly, you leaving means one less SSP Saskatoon photographer
No No. Just here for a month or so on a project. They had to bring in the know how from the Toon.
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Good stuff, enjoy your time there. Is it getting green/flowers blossoming yet? You should find some time to snap a few photos
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2009, 1:47 AM
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Fantastic pictures!! Saskatoon is really shaping up to have some unique architectural pieces, and I have to say, personally I prefer a bit of a lower skyline. It keeps things a bit more intimate and with buildings like the 2nd Ave lofts, king george, and discovery plaza it's still interesting and inspiring. Perhaps with the development of the warehouse district Saskatoon will be one of the more romantic looking cities of the west? Has anyone heard anything about the lighthouse project? As well what is going on with the capri? I noticed they are removing metal cladding and that it looks demod on the inside.
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Old Posted May 16, 2009, 9:09 AM
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Fantastic pictures!! Saskatoon is really shaping up to have some unique architectural pieces, and I have to say, personally I prefer a bit of a lower skyline.
I don't think I would go that far, however I cannot wait for the River Landing Village, 275 2nd, the Luxe and the King George to finally be completed, along with the remodeling of 3rd avenue (what kind of downtown street has street lights on wooden poles), and the extension of 25th to Idywyld. Then I believe we'll have a downtown to truly feel good about. Regina is kicking ass compared to us right now, except for the god awful one way street system.

Little things can also make a huge difference. For example, why not unify to street and traffic light colours and styles throughout downtown? Fix the potholes along 3rd and 4th? Get rid of angle parking? These wouldn't cost too much I presume, and would make a huge impact.
     
     
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Ya you don't definately don't get the big city metropolis feel when you step off a plane into our Airport. I don't know if this fact or not but it seemed even Kelowna's airport was bigger when I was there last year.
I'm not sure about terminal size - Kelowna and Saskatoon seem about the same size to me. Bot are nice enough for the size of city.

Kelowna is definitely busier (passengers) than Saskatoon though.
     
     
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A Bike Around ... 20th St. W.

20th St. W. is simply the most infamous street in Saskatoon. An urban Heart of Darkness to many (I remember how it was discussed in hushed terms when I was growing up), it, and the areas immediately surrounding it, were called the 'Harlem of Canada' in a famous Globe and Mail article not many years ago due to the high rates of crime, poverty and neglect found on or near the street.

Of course, in urban development, one man's trash in another's treasure, and 20th street has certainly stoked the dreams of many an idealist and 'urban pioneer'. The street's proximity to downtown, the river and Broadway, and its historical status as Saskatoon's Chinatown and Ukranian town (not to mention its current large Aboriginal population) has led to many re-development efforts, especially in the last few years. In particular, the city and province have poured a lot of money into affordable housing, streetscaping, and to try and gentrify the area via the new Farmer's Market and associated River Landing development on 19th St. and Avenue B.

While lots has been written, on this site and elsewhere, about the renewal of the Riversdale area along 20th St. W., the reality right now is that the street seems to be taking more steps backwards than forwards, despite the River Landing development and demolition of the Barry Hotel, among other efforts.

Avenues A to C, which were the densest commercial area on the street, have seen a massive outflux of businesses in the last year, despite the proximity of the farmer's market, the demolition of the Barry Hotel and the establishment of the Roxy Theatre.

Saskatoon's first ever adult amusement store, Dirk's on 20th and B., has been asked to leave by the landlord.



Longtime tenant on 20th. and Ave. C, Coad's Pharmacy, closed earlier this year. The farmer's market is in the middle distance and the site of the demolished Barry Hotel is across the street.



All that's left of Saskatoon's most infamous bar and flop house, the Barry Hotel. Despite many ambitious plans for the site, nothing has materialized.



spokenslopes and Boomtown Outfitters, between Ave. C and D., have also recently closed.





Unlike Ave. C east, from Ave. D west has never even started to gentrify. Strangely, 20th street has historically had a lot of bicycle shops. It would be cynical to say that it's because the area is home to a lot of bicycle theft, but none seem to survive very long in any case. I'm not sure what was in the building with the strange western mural on the right.



This reminds me of North Broad Street in Philadelphia: a food kitchen next to an evengelical outreach centre next to an empty lot. 20th St. and Ave. F.



Where Riversdale transitions on its western border to the Pleasant Hill neighbourhood is Station 20 West, one of the many government-funded redevelopment projects in the area. This project has been discussed on this board many times, here is the affordable housing component of the project on 20th and Ave. L. Their website says the food store is supposed to break ground this month, but I don't see any work ongoing.



There are lots of nice, underutilized parks on the west side. Here is Optimist Park on 19th and Ave. L. The Pleasant Hill Industrial Area looms in the background.



I promise stop taking pictures of unpaved roads at some point, but it's ridiculous in this city. Here's is 18th St. from Ave. N to Ave. P, UNPAVED!



One of the other many redevelopment projects in the area is the huge 'Pleasant Hill Revitalization Project' centered around St. Mary's school on 19th and Ave. O. The project is currently being held up while various groups fight about what to do with the school. The very latest news is that it is likely to be torn down, over the objection of the usual preservationist crowd, and the site used as expanded park space.



NE corner of Ave. O and 19th, part of the revitalization project. Oh yeah, 19th St. here, right by a school, is also not paved.



In a earlier post, I made fun of a lot of the pathetic little green spaces in North Park. The south part of Grace Adam Metawewinihk park has to take the cake however: it consists of one beat-up fire pit, two parking spots and a couple of inexplicable small mounds and the train tracks that mark the Riversdale/Pleasant Hill split. This is the south-east corner of the redevelopment area.



St. Mary's school on the NW corner of the revitalization area. Not long for this world.



Just so I'm fair to G.A.M. park, here's the NW side, with a nice playground and St. Paul's hospital in the background.



The south side extension of St. Mary's school, with mural. I wonder if this will survive the demolition.

     
     
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The hearts on the street sign are interesting.

I never realized there were so many unpaved streets in Saskatoon.
     
     
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I have a curious question about Credit Union Centre seating capacity, specifically for hockey (15,015 for 2010 World Juniors).

The highlighted pink areas are vacant, why can't seating be added in those spots? Structural supports, Zamboni entrance?

Currently, there is 25 luxury boxes, is there room for more?


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CUC has 43 suites actually:
http://www.creditunioncentre.com/about-us.php?page=marketing

There will be 9 additional suites built for the world juniors in what used to be the open end of the building, with 14 permanent suites replacing the 5 current temp suites that look like cubicles that are currently in the building. I'm not sure how well they will sell after the World's, given that they will be 'backstage' for end concerts, which seems to be why most people buy them (seeing as how they seem to be 1/2 empty @ Blades games).

Another tidbit is that they yearly cost for them is $10,000/year. Seems pretty cheap, unless of course that is just for the suite, and doesn't include tickets to any events. It would make sense to me that @ the very least it would include Blades season seats.
http://www.city.saskatoon.sk.ca/org/clerks_office/council/m2008/ca_council_171108.pdf (Page 16)

I'm not sure why the gaps are there in the upper level, although two 'super suites' are at the ends of the current upper deck, so perhaps they didn't want to cut them off?

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Old Posted May 18, 2009, 8:11 PM
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The hearts on the street sign are interesting.

I never realized there were so many unpaved streets in Saskatoon.
This was part of the first half-ass attempt to clean up the area quite a few years ago, before the city or the province had any money. The heart-signs are redonkulous, but they did put some nice sculptures on the street.
     
     
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Old Posted May 18, 2009, 11:41 PM
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CUC has 43 suites actually:
http://www.creditunioncentre.com/about-us.php?page=marketing

There will be 9 additional suites built for the world juniors in what used to be the open end of the building, with 14 permanent suites replacing the 5 current temp suites that look like cubicles that are currently in the building. I'm not sure how well they will sell after the World's, given that they will be 'backstage' for end concerts, which seems to be why most people buy them (seeing as how they seem to be 1/2 empty @ Blades games).

Another tidbit is that they yearly cost for them is $10,000/year. Seems pretty cheap, unless of course that is just for the suite, and doesn't include tickets to any events. It would make sense to me that @ the very least it would include Blades season seats.
http://www.city.saskatoon.sk.ca/org/clerks_office/council/m2008/ca_council_171108.pdf (Page 16)

I'm not sure why the gaps are there in the upper level, although two 'super suites' are at the ends of the current upper deck, so perhaps they didn't want to cut them off?
Thank you for the info Hawker, its been awhile since my last visit so my memory is shady at best.

I guess they forgot to update some of the pages on their website. I found the 25 boxes statement on this page ...I'll take the 43 though.

Anyways, I was trying to determine if CUC could be upgraded to adequately satisfy NHL arena standards (well, more specifically how it compares to NY Islanders Nassau Coliseum). My conclusion is they can't upgrade to meet modern NHL arena capacities...but its comparable to Nassau, perhaps even marginally better (43 luxury suites vs 32). Although, neither come close to NHL averages.

This is from 2000, so maybe bump the average up a little...

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Even though the San Jose Arena is only eight years old, Sharks executives argue that The Tank has already become a dated facility and has fallen behind the curve. Jirik says that when the 17,100-seat Arena was designed in 1991, it held more fans and boasted more luxury boxes than the average NHL team. Nine years later, Jirik says, the average NHL arena holds 19,300 fans and has 89 luxury boxes compared to San Jose's 65 suites.
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Thanks again for the tour lbird (one more link for the 1st page). At the rate you're going, you'll have the entire west side inner city covered by August
     
     
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20th St. W. is simply the most infamous street in Saskatoon. An urban Heart of Darkness to many (I remember how it was discussed in hushed terms when I was growing up), it, and the areas immediately surrounding it, were called the 'Harlem of Canada' in a famous Globe and Mail article not many years ago due to the high rates of crime, poverty and neglect found on or near the street.

Of course, in urban development, one man's trash in another's treasure, and 20th street has certainly stoked the dreams of many an idealist and 'urban pioneer'. The street's proximity to downtown, the river and Broadway, and its historical status as Saskatoon's Chinatown and Ukranian town (not to mention its current large Aboriginal population) has led to many re-development efforts, especially in the last few years. In particular, the city and province have poured a lot of money into affordable housing, streetscaping, and to try and gentrify the area via the new Farmer's Market and associated River Landing development on 19th St. and Avenue B.

While lots has been written, on this site and elsewhere, about the renewal of the Riversdale area along 20th St. W., the reality right now is that the street seems to be taking more steps backwards than forwards, despite the River Landing development and demolition of the Barry Hotel, among other efforts.

Avenues A to C, which were the densest commercial area on the street, have seen a massive outflux of businesses in the last year, despite the proximity of the farmer's market, the demolition of the Barry Hotel and the establishment of the Roxy Theatre.


Unlike Ave. C east, from Ave. D west has never even started to gentrify. Strangely, 20th street has historically had a lot of bicycle shops. It would be cynical to say that it's because the area is home to a lot of bicycle theft, but none seem to survive very long in any case. I'm not sure what was in the building with the strange western mural on the right.


The building with the mural is the AKA Gallery (http://akagallery.org/) and PAVED Arts (http://www.pavedarts.ca/), a couple of the most interesting artist run centres in town. The mural space changes every couple months. After renting space for years in the Fairbanks warehouse, they bought this buidling a few years ago...guarunteeing them to be a part of Riversdale for years to come.

As to bike shops not lasting, jad's has been there for years and the owner of boomtown just retired, I think it was a fairly succesful business to the end.
     
     
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While lots has been written, on this site and elsewhere, about the renewal of the Riversdale area along 20th St. W., the reality right now is that the street seems to be taking more steps backwards than forwards, despite the River Landing development and demolition of the Barry Hotel, among other efforts.

Avenues A to C, which were the densest commercial area on the street, have seen a massive outflux of businesses in the last year, despite the proximity of the farmer's market, the demolition of the Barry Hotel and the establishment of the Roxy Theatre.

Saskatoon's first ever adult amusement store, Dirk's on 20th and B., has been asked to leave by the landlord.
In my mind the outflux of the old will bring an influx of the new. I don't think these businesses, or building owners, would be shutting down shop if there wasn't financial gains to be made because of it. Businesses who have been on the street for a long time probably see a chance to move on with some money in their pockets which hasn't been an option for them in a long time, possibly ever. If they've survived this long with the stigma of 20th that you mentioned, I don't see why they'd suddenly not be able to operate due to lack of business or whatnot. It might take a bit of time for plans to develop as developers figure out exactly what to do with the building/land (i.e. the Barry), but I think things will really start to pickup once River Landing, the Eco Village and whatnot are completed. On that note, those projects are moving extremely slowly which will only further slow the re-development of 20th.
     
     
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River Landing ground breaking ceremony!

Great news... just received an email today from River Landing about their Groundbreaking ceremony... to be held on their site, May 26, 2009 at 11:30am. Wow, eventhough my confidence was relatively high that this project was going to happen eventually, I'm still shocked and excited that this is actually going to happen!!!!
     
     
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I just received an email today from Lake Placid that River Landing will be hosting a "groundbreaking" ceremony at the construction site on May 26th. This is fantastic news! I can't imagine that they would have a ground breaking ceremony if this project wasn't in deed going ahead!

I am disappointed at the slow pace/stalling of the River Eco-Village development given the initial interest in the project when they were first doing 'reserves' on units. Also, I sure hope we see some news on the Lighthouse project since the strata legislation they were waiting for passed a few weeks ago.

I too noticed the cladding on the Capri/lighthouse coming off. I can't imagine that the building is in any kind of "demo-mode" yet, as the new Lighthouse project is still years from completion.

Let's hope that the next few weeks/months bring more construction activity and more activity on this forum!

Edit: sorry, babtown....I was composing this post about River Landing while your post went up! Didn't mean to duplicate the news!
     
     
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The building with the mural is the AKA Gallery (http://akagallery.org/) and PAVED Arts (http://www.pavedarts.ca/), a couple of the most interesting artist run centres in town. The mural space changes every couple months. After renting space for years in the Fairbanks warehouse, they bought this buidling a few years ago...guarunteeing them to be a part of Riversdale for years to come.

As to bike shops not lasting, jad's has been there for years and the owner of boomtown just retired, I think it was a fairly succesful business to the end.
Interesting, I was wondering where AKA was. I must say I enjoyed that weird and random mural, but I wish the gallery had a sign! (Maybe I didn't see it).

To the other reply: I didn't show some of the other recently failed shops on the street: the gas station on Avenue A, the bingo hall/pawn shop across from the Barry, the other huge bingo hall on Ave. H that is now a church. There is a *lot* of vacancy on that street right now, maybe you are right that it is part of a sea change, although some of those store fronts should be flat out torn down rather than re-occupied.
     
     
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