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Old Posted Jun 8, 2008, 4:28 PM
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Sounds good, but in practice you would have something like the Vegas monorail: incoherent, difficult to navigate, and customers whose purpose is to only make money from and not provide a useful service to. Hell, the monorail there is even overpiced IMO. So much for that notion the free market does everything better.
Probably true, so they just as well not build the rail at all.
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It's about time; this has been envisioned for quite some time now.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2008, 4:02 PM
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I do hope they get some kind of high-speed/Euro-Japanese style rail service between Vegas and L.A., whether it's the levitating train or not. The I-15 route just keeps getting busier, and more dangerous. It seems like everytime I drive it there's some kind of fatal multi-vehicle accident.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2008, 10:49 PM
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this proposal is idiotic for the fact that it involves maglev. but hey, if the casinos want to foot the bill, i'm all in support. california should not have to put a single penny toward it because vegas isn't economically important for us.
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this proposal is idiotic for the fact that it involves maglev. but hey, if the casinos want to foot the bill, i'm all in support. california should not have to put a single penny toward it because vegas isn't economically important for us.
My only problem with it is that unless changed, it would be incompatible with the future CA High-Speed Rail Network.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2008, 11:21 PM
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Plus I would have to ride the train down to anaheim to take the train to vegas...I dont want to do that. Union Station or bust.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2008, 8:53 AM
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let anaheim be the transfer point if its free. retarded, but better than driving. it's still a pipe dream though. the only way this is seeing light is if the casinos attempt to involve our money.
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let anaheim be the transfer point if its free. retarded, but better than driving. it's still a pipe dream though. the only way this is seeing light is if the casinos attempt to involve our money.
You think alot of things are only "pipe dreams", don't you?
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2008, 3:49 PM
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Not a cent of it should come from california tax payers. Make casinos pay for it. It would lopsidedly benefit vegas and run mostly through California's land.
Why? California exports it's vice to Las Vegas, it should come from both ends. If you want to make that argument, California should legalize gambling.
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So is the idea behind it to let the parents leave the children on their own in Disneyland, while they go gambling and partying in Vegas?
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2008, 5:51 PM
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This money could've been spent for much more viable alternatives. Interstate mag-lev is a money pit.
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California should legalize gambling
gambling is legal in california, in fact the second highest concentration of casinos in america are in california, remove las vegas from nevada and california would be number one in terms of casinos

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Liberalize gambling and prostitution laws in California, and take away any reason to go to Las Vegas. Keep the money in the state.
If that happened who do you think would own and run the majority of californian mega-resorts, yep thats right harrahs, wynn, mgm, sands, boyd, station etc with all the profits returning to nevada. The likes of Sheldon Adelson are eagerly awaiting their chance to take a big bite out of the california pie if it comes along.

btw prostitution is illegal in las vegas, you have to travel 70 miles outside of town to find the first legal brothel

having said that this project won't happen imo because nevada is 49th in the nation in terms of government funding (despite being 35th in population and likely to break the top 30 in the next few years) and it has taken the government years to make available a few million for a study, this $45m was promised nearly 4 years ago so very little chance they will make money available for the construction part.

a proper transport system that connects McCarran with the ALL OF THE strip and downtown should be the number one agenda for a city that welcomes 40 million each year and expects to attract millions of chinese visitors over the next 10 years, many of these new tourists will not be too happy to find out that they will have to wait an hour in line at McCarran to get a taxi to their hotel.
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The last time we had an oil crises (70's), Vegas came to a standstill (of course back then, "CA drivers" constituted a higher percentage of the Vegas tourism). Now with gas prices climbing, Vegas (and by Vegas I mean casino owners) should start thinking of ways to keep the cash flowing. I don't know if that means paying for a train line or something else. But, like it was mentioned, Vegas needs So Cal.

Next, is this train really going to Disneyland? Do they mean Anaheim Stadium, where the Metrolink station is located? Imagine the extra steps if you don't want to drive from DTLA. Union Station to Anaheim Stadium, pick up the shuttle to Disneyland to board Maglev. Phuqit, just drive!

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If that happened who do you think would own and run the majority of californian mega-resorts, yep thats right harrahs, wynn, mgm, sands, boyd, station etc with all the profits returning to nevada. The likes of Sheldon Adelson are eagerly awaiting their chance to take a big bite out of the california pie if it comes along.
They could then move their base of operations and the bulk of their employment to a more convenient location (read: California), and effectively turn Nevada into a desert ghost state.
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So is the idea behind it to let the parents leave the children on their own in Disneyland, while they go gambling and partying in Vegas?
you know, it's all starting to make sense now... though me thinks that the kids would enjoy just riding back and forth on the train more!
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2008, 8:22 AM
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you know, it's all starting to make sense now... though me thinks that the kids would enjoy just riding back and forth on the train more!
Sure beats riding the roller coaster...and Mickey's bulging crotch.
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They could then move their base of operations and the bulk of their employment to a more convenient location (read: California), and effectively turn Nevada into a desert ghost state.
with calis income and corporate tax amongst the highest in the nation and nevada's zero
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From MSNBC.com... Mentions a pricetag of $12B for construction. Seems like a low estimate to me, but I'm not a Maglev expert... who knows.
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America’s fastest train moves ahead
Funding boost propels maglev, which still faces headwinds
By Jasmin Aline Persch
updated 8:43 a.m. PT, Wed., June. 25, 2008


Could America’s fastest train whisk us away from $4-a-gallon gas guzzlers?

Neil Cummings thinks so. He heads the American Magline Group, a private partnership championing a magnetic levitating train, or “maglev,” that would soar at a maximum speed of 310 mph — 180 mph on average — from Disneyland to Las Vegas.

The Los Angeles-based American Magline Group has faced fundraising issues for the speedy, yet extravagant, venture. The group spent 20 years getting it off the tracks, and now it seems that America’s fastest train will move forward — thanks to a $45 million infusion from a transportation bill, signed by President Bush in early June.

As spiking gas prices and traffic pinch both nerves and wallets, and flight costs and delays hamper air travel, the maglev joins the list of alternatives to the nation’s transportation tribulations.

“With our gasoline prices and everything else going on, people and government are ready to make a commitment,” Cummings said. Until now, “we haven’t committed to high-speed trains in this country — at all.”

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America’s fastest train could compete with air travel. Flying from Anaheim, Calif., to Vegas on a passenger jet cruising at about 550 mph could cost upward of $150, while a ticket for the same route on a maglev would cost $55, according to the American Magline Group.

Plus, the maglev doesn’t pollute. It’s energy efficient. And it's low-maintenance because the train levitates — thanks to magnets — avoiding wear-and-tear on the underlying “guideway.” That’s what propels the vehicle through a magnetic field established by the electrical grid. Upping the current accelerates the train. Lowering the current slows the train. And reversing the current stops or pushes the train backwards.

While Americans may have received the first patents for maglevs, the engineering behind America’s fastest train was developed and perfected by the Germans. The Japanese separately developed maglev technology that spawned the world’s fastest train, which runs at up to 361 mph.

San Diego-based General Atomics, a partner of the American Magline Group, plans to use the technology of Berlin-based Transrapid International, with a branch in Washington D.C., to realize the California-Nevada Maglev. The 270-mile guideway would be the longest in the world for a magnetic levitating train.

“The system is built on solid electrical engineering and physics,” said Mike Reed, senior vice president at General Atomics, which is also developing its own maglev technology.

What’s slowing down America’s fastest train, however, is the hefty cost of crafting the infrastructure — including the guideway — from scratch, because the fastest train can’t run on ordinary steel tracks. The $45 million from the federal government will only cover pre-construction obligations, including environmental testing in the Mojave Desert, where the line would be laid.

Biggest crossroads

After the research phase is complete in about three years, the American Magline Group comes to its biggest crossroads, obtaining the funding for construction: $12 billion. Cummings believes that the California-Nevada maglev could run as soon as 2015.

“If we had the money tomorrow, we’d build it in five years,” he said.

Not if the Federal Railway Administration gets its way. The branch of the U.S. Department of Transportation maintains that government monies should aid America’s current public transportation system. The railway administration, which asked for $100 million in funding from the federal government, only received $30 million under the recent transportation bill.

“It’s great to have a train that goes 200 mph from Disneyland to Las Vegas, but that money could improve things in Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, New York ... Seattle,” said FRA spokesman Steve Kulm.

While the California-Nevada maglev has scored the most federal funding to date, two other lines, from Pittsburgh International Airport to downtown and from Baltimore to D.C., are also competing for federal dollars for construction.

‘Potential future transportation form’

The two East Coast lines make sense to many, and Cummings of the American Magline Group said the Disneyland to Vegas line is more than what critics have dismissed it as: a “gamblers’ express.”

While the Western line aims to relieve traffic on the congested Interstate 15 highway which leads to “Sin City,” the first two segments, which would connect Las Vegas to Primm, Nev., and Orange County to Ontario, Calif., could shoot commuters to work and back home, he said.

“It’s an exciting alternative if you want to live in the suburbs, outside the main city,” Cummings said.

Paul Saffo, a Silicon Valley technology forecaster, said the lure of Las Vegas might just be what it takes to turn a profit with the maglev. The world’s first maglev, a 19-mile line in Shanghai, China, doesn’t garner enough traffic to offset the initial investment, but plans to extend the route come with hopes of attracting enough riders to reach critical mass.

In America, Amtrak ridership, although hitting “record” highs in recent years, has remained the same — 25 million a year — since the 1970s, said Kulm of the Federal Railway Administration. The question remains: Would enough Americans ride a levitating train to make it worthwhile?

“Nobody has designed a commercially viable maglev,” said Saffo. “It’s a potential future transportation form. The only question is, ‘How long does it stay in the future?’ ”

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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 10:21 PM
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$12B does sound like a small amount. That sounds like the price to widen I-15 along the route.

I think this is definitely a good starting route to boost the idea of high speed trains in America. I will personally commit to travel to California just to ride the train.

LA to SF would be great, but could you imagine trying to get the right of ways and environmental impacts approved with all the tunnels and blasting needed to get it done?

Boston to DC would also make a lot of sense, stopping in NY and Philadelphia, but again, the right of ways and land grabs would require decades of planning and at least 50 times the budget.
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with calis income and corporate tax amongst the highest in the nation and nevada's zero
And what happens to the Nevada government's revenue if the casinos move out and the taxes aren't there?
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