Edmonton Public Transit

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by deedub35

FYI ... West High Speed Transit Study LRT Corridor Recommendation is now posted on the City of Edmonton website.

Link is here - details to follow.

[Kevin_foster]

Originally Posted by onishenko

/\ Here it is.

:O

Construction costs are just over 1 Billion for the two options.

[Coldrsx]

^from the pic above...it is clear which is the best imo, but if not the 62ave would be my choice to tie in future development on the land west of 122st as well as fort ed.

but again...87ave is by far the best plan

[MalcolmTucker]

I wonder how long it will take before interlining will create capacity problems on the SLRT and WLRT? Practical capacity with five cars at 2 min headway is about 25k people per direction per hour.

With the lines sharing a large portion of the route, when will the combined demand be over that point?

In Mandel really wanted to push his SPR route, it would be the best argument to use methinks.

[rapid_business]

If you went with the 87th route, how many stops can you honestly see? Medowlark, WEM and Lewis Estates are the 3 big ones.

But then what?
Laurier Heights? Only if zoning changes in the area to encourage some medium-density (like those condos on 142nd just south of Deluxe Burger Bar at 96th Ave.) or even some high-end townhouses. (again, like the same location) It could be a McKernan/Belgravia Station, without the school right beside it. (although there is one just to the south)

Miz? If so, the apartment complex to the south of the Miz is ripe for TOD. (hmm...interesting case study for a planning class...the current layout is iconic for it's time)...It's still a significant distance from the transit hub at WEM. This would be my 4th station I'd say.

So I guess 3 forsure. Miz would be the next if a TOD happened there. Laurier would be a handoff I bet for running the LRT through/under the neighbourhood.

[Mikemike]

Originally Posted by kyle_olsen

I wonder how long it will take before interlining will create capacity problems on the SLRT and WLRT? Practical capacity with five cars at 2 min headway is about 25k people per direction per hour.

With the lines sharing a large portion of the route, when will the combined demand be over that point?

In Mandel really wanted to push his SPR route, it would be the best argument to use methinks.

SPR creates larger problems. All SPR routes that I have seen use the existing tunnel and the same N portal as the forthcoming NLRT, so NELRT, NLET and WLRT would all enter downtown from one end and SLRT would be lonely at the other. My rough guess & calc from before give the 3 line option about 10 years before hitting capacity. That's to years from now, or maybe 3-4 years from best case opening of line 3.

Going to 2 symmetrical lines adds 50% capacity, so another 10-20 years, depending on the economic cycle. Most people think that by 30 years from now there should be additional lines beyond those 4 which should be able to siphon off some of that demand. It's OK

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by onishenko

If you went with the 87th route, how many stops can you honestly see? Medowlark, WEM and Lewis Estates are the 3 big ones.

But then what?
Laurier Heights? Only if zoning changes in the area to encourage some medium-density (like those condos on 142nd just south of Deluxe Burger Bar at 96th Ave.) or even some high-end townhouses. (again, like the same location) It could be a McKernan/Belgravia Station, without the school right beside it. (although there is one just to the south)

Miz? If so, the apartment complex to the south of the Miz is ripe for TOD. (hmm...interesting case study for a planning class...the current layout is iconic for it's time)...It's still a significant distance from the transit hub at WEM. This would be my 4th station I'd say.

So I guess 3 forsure. Miz would be the next if a TOD happened there. Laurier would be a handoff I bet for running the LRT through/under the neighbourhood.

that site has had rumours of redevelopment for a long time now...and will become something within 10yrs i would bet.

[Mikemike]

Originally Posted by onishenko

If you went with the 87th route, how many stops can you honestly see? Medowlark, WEM and Lewis Estates are the 3 big ones.

But then what?
Laurier Heights? Only if zoning changes in the area to encourage some medium-density (like those condos on 142nd just south of Deluxe Burger Bar at 96th Ave.) or even some high-end townhouses. (again, like the same location) It could be a McKernan/Belgravia Station, without the school right beside it. (although there is one just to the south)

Miz? If so, the apartment complex to the south of the Miz is ripe for TOD. (hmm...interesting case study for a planning class...the current layout is iconic for it's time)...It's still a significant distance from the transit hub at WEM. This would be my 4th station I'd say.

So I guess 3 forsure. Miz would be the next if a TOD happened there. Laurier would be a handoff I bet for running the LRT through/under the neighbourhood.

There better be a Mis station. there's a bunch of towers up behind the mis, and a couple big schools walking distance up 163. And that townhouse complex is huge.

Laurier station won't be so bad either. I'd place it just east of 149St, so It could easily be fed by busses on 149St, and on 142st if there is one. 149St, while still well of, isn't the uber-rich that valleyview drive is, so I could see a few townhomes sprouting there over the years.

[Mikemike]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

that site has had rumours of redevelopment for a long time now...and will become something within 10yrs i would bet.

What kind of rumours?

They might be waiting for a LRT plan so they can tailor the development, can focus on the station and ideally zone up. That would be an awsome location for strathernX2.

[newfangled]

Originally Posted by onishenko

If you went with the 87th route, how many stops can you honestly see? Medowlark, WEM and Lewis Estates are the 3 big ones.

Maybe 149th:

That whole commercial area 149&87 is prime for redevelopment.
It would serve Stratford and St. Rose schools.
There's easy-ish bus connection access from whitemud.
It's close enough to the stupid zoo that ETS could run shuttlebusses.

So a station there, and then at the west end of meadowlark?

And then maybe around the Mis to get the hospital, existing apartments, possible new TOD, and anyone who wants to walk from JP/FX/STM?

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by Mikemike

What kind of rumours?

They might be waiting for a LRT plan so they can tailor the development, can focus on the station and ideally zone up. That would be an awsome location for strathernX2.

redevelopment...in C MAJOR.


it was bought back a few years ago if i recall

[CanadianCentaur]

You guys know that apartment complex across 87 Ave from the Miz? I'd guess that's the one spot Cold said redevelopment rumours were flying around for. I'll tell you there better be something for that soon, because that complex looks like a slum! It's an embarrasment for the city, considering how close it is to the city's biggest tourist attraction - WEM.

[doogerz]

I'd like to see them renovate the WEM transit centre, especially if there are no medium-term plans to extend the LRT out there. The place is littered with grafitti and garbage, it's a real disgrace considering WEM is Edmonton's top attraction.

Then again WEM is due for some renovations, but thats a topic for another thread.

[Coldrsx]

^yup, but that is precisely where the LRT would be so it will wait until the WLRT is decided upon.

[Coldrsx]

City debates route of west-end LRT line
Gordon Kent, edmontonjournal.com
Published: 1:58 pm
EDMONTON - The city transportation department says a new west-end LRT line should follow 87th Avenue and tunnel under houses near the North Saskatchewan River to reduce neighbourhood disruption.

The proposed route would go under homes in Parkview, come out of the river bank near the Valley Zoo, cross a bridge and travel through a tunnel on the opposite bank, Coun. Bryan Anderson said today.

The line would reach ground level near the Cross Cancer Institute and join the existing south LRT at the Health Sciences station, he said.


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Font:****"I'm certainly no engineer; I pretty much have to accept that the work that's been done by the consultant is a valid recommendation."

But Coun. Karen Leibovici said she still feels a route that followed Whitemud Drive across the Quesnell Bridge before eventually reaching the new South Campus LRT station would better take commuters where they want to go and help reduce traffic volumes.

"The rationale keeps being everyone's going downtown. Well, you know what? We have significant employment centres at West Edmonton Mall and the northwest, southwest and southeast. That's where people are travelling."

For more details on this issue, see Wednesday's Journal.

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[Coldrsx]

"But Coun. Karen Leibovici said she still feels a route that followed Whitemud Drive across the Quesnell Bridge before eventually reaching the new South Campus LRT station would better take commuters where they want to go and help reduce traffic volumes."

FAIL

[newfangled]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

"But Coun. Karen Leibovici said she still feels a route that followed Whitemud Drive across the Quesnell Bridge before eventually reaching the new South Campus LRT station would better take commuters where they want to go and help reduce traffic volumes."

FAIL

No kidding. Let's inconvenience all downtown and university commuters so that people who want to go south have a marginally easier trip. Because taking the train to Health Sciences, getting off, and then switching to another train to CP is just too complicated?

Although this is also where ETS needs to start using AHD as an express BRT ring route. WEM to CP in ~20 minutes? Do it.

[Daveography]

"The rationale keeps being everyone's going downtown. Well, you know what? We have significant employment centres at West Edmonton Mall and the northwest, southwest and southeast. That's where people are travelling."

How does re-routing the LRT from Health Sciences to South Campus do any more to help people go in those directions?

This level of fail calls for an image:

[Kevin_foster]

Originally Posted by RTA

"The rationale keeps being everyone's going downtown. Well, you know what? We have significant employment centres at West Edmonton Mall and the northwest, southwest and southeast. That's where people are travelling."

How does re-routing the LRT from Health Sciences to South Campus do any more to help people go in those directions?

This level of fail calls for an image:

haha

[rapid_business]

she's just pandering. It actually isn't faster for anyone to get anywhere with the route she is suggesting. It makes zero sense.


EDIT: Back to those apartments across from the Miz... any idea who owns them?