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View Poll Results: Would you vote for a ETS Rapid Transit masterplan scheme?
Yes, I'd vote for more BRT/LRT 301 82.92%
No, what we have is fine. 34 9.37%
I dunno, maybe, yes, no, whatever. 28 7.71%
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2008, 5:36 PM
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^ Good news, and good article. I use that station pretty frequently, and it does have a disproportionate amount of these "gangsta" wannabes. I'm glad to see increased security here and to hear of some of these kids being put in their place.
     
     
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6.48% I think is absolute max.

Engineered steepest grade is for 5-5.5% max.

I'll double check and get back....
That's only our Seimens U2 style vehicles, though, and limits of brakes and motors, not traction. The vehicle used on Portland's streetcar (not rapid, but still) is god for 9%, and in the past streetcar and interurban-type vehicles have been used in regular service on grades in the 11%-12% range, inplaces like pittsburgh or san francisco.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2008, 6:14 PM
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It's good to hear that they will be stepping up security. that's my 'home' station, but I don't think it's that bad in reality. At least the train platform and the bus stops under the overpass, serving east end passengers don't have loiterers during daylight hours.

The dirty, monolithic grey concrete architecture and the post-industrial wasteland location don't help create a safe and pleasant feel, though.
     
     
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Car is king in Edmonton, says census
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EDMONTON - Almost 83 per cent of Edmonton commuters travel to work by car, truck or van, according to 2006 census data released by Statistics Canada today.

At the same time, only 9.7 per cent of Edmonton area commuters get to work by public transit and 1.1 per cent by bicycle, the report said.

The numbers didn't surprise Bob Boutilier, the City of Edmonton's general manager of transportation. The car has long been king in places such as Alberta, where large roads and major intersections have shaped how the urban landscape has developed.


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Font:****Boutilier also noted that Edmonton's low-density sprawl makes it less likely that people will hop on a bus or the LRT to get to work.

Convincing people to get out of their cars will come down to having a safe, efficient public transportation system in place, he said.

"We have got to give people options," said Boutilier. "Transit has got to be a better way to get to work....The alternative (to driving) has to be a public transportation system that meets (people's) needs."

Edmonton almost matched the Alberta average for the number of people of people who commute to work by car - about 82.2 per cent of all Albertans travelled to work by car, truck or van.

About 76.6 per cent of workers in the Calgary metropolitan area travelled to work by car, truck or van, the census reported.

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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 4:04 PM
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man the trains have been crap the last couple of weeks!

Twice on the way to work the entire train had to be unloaded at either coluseum or stadium and we were forced to pack on to the next train.

My girlfriend had the same experience on the way home from school.

It seems to be a re-occuring problem, after the train "power's down" while moving. (lights turn off, then go back on)

When are those new cars coming in? I don't think that'll help though, didn't the city buy just enough to handle the new line extensions?
     
     
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there are 26 LRVs on order for the extention, and 11 LRVs on order for capacity improvements, but before the capacity improvements happen they will be used to take old LRV's off duty for a major overhaul. I hope the overhaul is enough to fix the problems.

The first ones are supposed to arrive in may or so.
     
     
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The city bought 37 new LRT cars. 26 for the new line expansion and 11 to handle the increase in ridership.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 4:47 PM
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Hmmm interesting, thx.

Anyone know what the problem is when the trains "power down" mid ride?
     
     
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Racket from Henday has nearby homeowners complaining loudly
City ban on truckers' noisy engine retarder brakes poorly enforced, critic says
Susan Ruttan, The Edmonton Journal
Published: 9:13 am
EDMONTON - It's a sound John Cantin knows too well, the loud staccato noise of a trucker applying engine retarder brakes.

"They're very loud and disruptive, especially at 3 a.m. on a summer night when you're wakened from a deep sleep," Cantin told city councillors Tuesday.

Cantin lives in the Wedgewood neighbourhood near the intersection of Anthony Henday Drive and Lessard Road. The noise of trucks hitting their brakes at the Lessard traffic light is driving him and his Wedgewood neighbours crazy.


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Font:****The noise is so loud that someone living on the east side of Wedgewood can tell when the traffic lights on the Henday turn red, he told city council's transportation and public works committee.

Coun. Karen Leibovici backed up Cantin's complaint. "It's like nothing I've ever heard."

It's of little comfort to Cantin that there will eventually be a Henday overpass to eliminate the traffic light.

That overpass should be built now before further expansion of the Henday, he told the committee.

A report to the committee says the province hasn't yet allocated funds to build the overpass.

Cantin takes little comfort in a city bylaw that prohibits the use of engine retarder brakes within city limits. The bylaw isn't enforced properly, he said.

"When I was preparing my brief to councillors yesterday afternoon, I counted 10 (retarder brake) violations in a four-hour period," Cantin said.

Engine retarder brakes are a supplement to regular brakes used in many heavy trucks. City police last year distributed a brochure to trucking businesses explaining the brakes aren't to be used within city limits.

Cantin said Wedgewood people hope to create a common front with other residents along the Henday -- in Lewis Estates, Glastonbury, the Hamptons, Lymburn and Cameron Heights -- to seek action on freeway noise.

A contributing problem is the road surface on the southwest leg of the Henday, a grooved concrete that creates a drone from vehicle tires unlike that of asphalt, he said.

A city noise test of the Wedgewood area found noise levels just within the maximum acceptable level of 65 decibels.

Audra Jones, the city's director of sustainable transportation, said the provincial government did noise testing on grooved concrete versus asphalt and found the concrete only one decibel noisier, not enough difference to be heard from property owners near the freeway.

The Henday was built and is maintained by the provincial government. Although the city noise bylaw applies to the road, any actions like noise walls to reduce noise would be a provincial responsibility, the committee was told.

Leibovici suggested that Cantin contact the new MLA for the Edmonton-McClung riding, Conservative David Xiao, to press his noise concerns.

Traffic counts for 2007 show 36,400 vehicles a day driving the Henday at the North Saskatchewan River bridge, a jump of 12,800 vehicles in one year.

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Traffic counts for 2007 show 36,400 vehicles a day driving the Henday at the North Saskatchewan River bridge, a jump of 12,800 vehicles in one year.
12,800 is what you would see on a nothing road - so of course it went up. 36,400 is a perfectly reasonable number for a major road like AHD, SPR, 109th, or whatever. The yellowhead has 2x that, and the whitemud is 3x, so AHD is probably going to go a lot higher.

And engine retarder brakes are bad, but they get used all over the city when they shouldn't be. If you live near AHD, you live near a freeway. Oops. That overpass isn't going to make you stop complaining.

And, this city is full of morons with their jacked up trucks and their choppers. I live in hope that the city will one day crack down on noise pollution, but I doubt it.
     
     
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^ agreed. . .
It has gotten to the point where you can't have a conversation walking in many areas of the city or sitting on a patio because of the motorcycles and other loud vehicles.

It pains me to complain because I'm a 'car guy' but I can't stand the noise (nor should I be subjected to it) in a pedestrian friendly environment.

Didn't the police used to write tickets for loud vehicles? When did they stop that?
     
     
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^i can attest to the fact that they do pull people over for excessively loud exhausts...being a sport compact enthusiast, i have had my fair share of instances.
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^i can attest to the fact that they do pull people over for excessively loud exhausts...being a sport compact enthusiast, i have had my fair share of instances.
Did you see me pointing and laughing?

I can't be the only one who - when hearing some jackass rip around a corner - hopes that the noise will be followed by a satisfying crunching sound? (preferably jackass+lamppost, or jackass+other jackass)
     
     
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i live on 105st and somewhat enjoy the sounds of a summer harley
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Re: "Efficient public transit will coax commuters aboard: city official; 83 per cent of Edmontonians rely on cars to get to work, census reports," The Journal, March 5.

There is no question Edmonton Transit is horribly inefficient. I live near the West Edmonton Mall transit centre.

In fall, I was to start a new job just north of the Mayfield Inn -- six kilometres away and less than a 10-minute drive, even in rush hour. My car broke down and I had to find another way to work. I investigated ETS. I would have had to take two buses and leave the house at 7 a.m. to make it to work by 8 a.m.


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Font:****On a sunny fall Sunday, I took my bike out to a new development in the west end. I rode around for a while, among half-constructed, unoccupied houses. Imagine my surprise when I came across an ETS bus sitting at the end of its route -- idling of course -- where nobody lives.

Yes, ETS needs fixing, and in a big way.

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^ 170st and everything related to it has some of the absolute worst transit service in the city. I used to work near mayfield, and had to take the bus home to Callingwood once. An hour and a half later I decided I would never take ETS' meandering tour of every single neighbourhood west of 170th street again (and an hour of that was just to get to wem).
     
     
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Mayfield is exceptionally difficult to get to from WEM. No idea why though, since it is an employment hub.

Used to work there and it too would take me an hour and a half to get there by bus. It was often faster to walk the 40-50 blocks.
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Mayfield is exceptionally difficult to get to from WEM. No idea why though, since it is an employment hub.

Used to work there and it too would take me an hour and a half to get there by bus. It was often faster to walk the 40-50 blocks.
That area is hard to navigate in any mode of transportation but a car. Lack of sidewalks, no provisions for bicycles, poor public transit.
Good example of car-centric planning, but I suppose as much can be expected for an industrial area...
     
     
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FYI ... West High Speed Transit Study LRT Corridor Recommendation is now posted on the City of Edmonton website.
     
     
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/\ Here it is.

Wow... so 87th is the preferred model here. Makes sense looking at the info. Ridership numbers and time of travel is significantly in favor of this over the fox drive/whitemud route.
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