Canadian Federal Election

[NotToScale]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Naturally Pierre has a place to put the people? Right... right?

CPC voters seem like the type that would open up their homes, cook meals, provide employment or training...

Picking on the most vulnerable with no credible or proven solution - sounds like Pierre who in 20 years as an MP did nothing for them.

If you listened to his speech, or if the news conveyed it properly, he does have a plan for getting the people off the street. Go listen.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

There were no tent cities in Moncton under Harper, and only the baseline number of indigent druggies and mentally ill homeless people.

Under JT, homelessness exploded and drug use became rampant. Petty theft and panhandling is everywhere. The difference is quite striking.

Exactly. Because JT chose to create a housing crisis, which was absolutely great BTW for my net worth, I must admit (still not voting for Carney though).

Under Harper, regular people had no problems finding housing.

[MonctonRad]

Current CBC Poll Tracker:

LPC - 42.2%, 190 seats
CPC - 38.5%, 125 seats
BLQ - 6.0%, 22 seats
NDP - 8.8%, 5 seats
GRN - 2.3%, 1 seat
PPC - 1.5%, 0 seats

The slow downward drift of the LPC continues, but, it is probably too late to deny the LPC a majority government. It will be interesting to see if Drumpf's further musings on the illegitimacy of Canada will have any effect in the dying days of the campaign.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Harper was basically selling Canadian passports for $250k at one point, except it wasn’t even “sold” for $250k… it was $250k invested in a “business” much of which would later be recouped.

Also milking foreign students for all that they could became a major component of most post secondary institution’s business model under Harper.

If our requirements for FNSs were "$250k in cash" rather than "a pulse" as was the case with JT, we'd currently have Harper-era tent cities, instead of JT-era tent cities. (See MonctonRad's post above.)

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Hecate

So harper doubled the cost of rent and housing too? Show me those stats.

Here you go. Don't believe your leader's t-shirts. The cost of housing has not doubled in the last 9 years.

Not seasonally adjusted national average price for homes

Harper
2006 February: $259,000
2015 November: $440,800
Percent Increase: 70%

Trudeau
2015 November: $440,800
2025 March: $712,200
Percent Increase: 62%

source: https://stats.crea.ca/en-CA/

[lio45]

Originally Posted by trueviking

Here you go. Don't believe your leader's t-shirts. The cost of housing has not doubled in the last 9 years.

Not seasonally adjusted national average price for homes

Harper
2006 February: $259,000
2015 November: $440,800
Percent Increase: 70%

Trudeau
2015 November: $440,800
2025 March: $712,200
Percent Increase: 62%

source: https://stats.crea.ca/en-CA/

Read the posts above to understand why looking only at nominal real estate prices is total bullshit if what we're discussing is housing affordability.

I even explained that my RE portfolio literally doubled in value overnight in 2008, while everything else (cashflow, rents, property taxes, etc.) stayed the same, as my interest rates went from like 7% to like 2-3%. Housing affordability actually INCREASED then -- I was losing tenants at the time because interest rates were so low they could now buy condos and SFHs. Landlords were competing against each other by offering free months to prospective tenants back then. And there were no tent cities in sight (at least in my hometown; probably only the DTES in Van back then.)

[O-tacular]

All this “JT caused rampant drug use and tent cities” hyperbole conveniently ignores a once a century pandemic and global recession. Sorry but JT’s not that powerful.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

All this “JT caused rampant drug use and tent cities” hyperbole conveniently ignores a once a century pandemic and global recession. Sorry but JT’s not that powerful.

Sure, if you don't believe me just look at the difference in tent cities in our peer countries. Take a comparable to Moncton in, say, Germany or the USA or Japan, and see if the difference is anywhere near as big as it is when comparing the Harper era to the JT era.

Do it, don't just take my word...

You're a supply-and-demand denier? I know of a few, on this forum. Some people believe that being in the global Top 5 along with Syria and South Sudan for population growth, has nothing to do with the fact that we're now in a housing crisis. (That's mystifying to me, but hey, not everyone is smart...)

[trueviking]

^ his contention was that home prices doubled under Trudeau...they did not....and under Harper they increased even more....its just fact.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

Sorry but JT’s not that powerful.

If the subject being discussed is the immigration tap, yes, the PM is exactly that powerful.

There are billions of potential FNSs out there who don't live in Canada yet, and a PM with a majority can choose to let them all come here with the stroke of a pen.

He's that powerful.

[MolsonExport]

Europe is teeming with tent cities and undoubtedly has a serious homelessness crisis. I have been there 5 times since the pandemic (Germany, UK, France, Italy, Spain). I've seen it. There is a major housing problem in many large European cities. In Germany they are using shipping containers to warehouse refugees. I saw them all over the less fashionable parts of Berlin, stacked 5 or 6 layers high and 20 to 30 containers wide.

Japan has a homelessness problem, but it is out of sight of most visitors. I like to explore some of the parts of Tokyo that tourists might overlook, and there are 'cardboard villages' of homeless people (usually older men, or men that just look older). To be fair, the homelessness in Canada is far worse than in Japan, but it is definitely there. And their social safety net is much worse than Canada's.

And of course, there are tens of thousands of people living in 24-hour "Internet Cafes" in Tokyo, who pay by the day for a closet-sized space with a mat on the floor and a computer, with a sliding door. Food is sold from vending machines, and there are pay showers.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

All this “JT caused rampant drug use and tent cities” hyperbole conveniently ignores a once a century pandemic and global recession. Sorry but JT’s not that powerful.

Agreed.
However,
The one factor that was under Canada's control is that we recently grew by 1.1-1.2 million in one year. As pro immigration as I've been my whole life (with over two decades on this forum), that's too much, and increasing the population that quickly for a smaller country (pop wise) like Canada creates problems in the fastest growing Metros. Moncton Rad should know, his Metro is one of them.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by trueviking

^ his contention was that home prices doubled under Trudeau...they did not....and under Harper they increased even more....its just fact.

No one cares about nominal home prices. (Well, except people who already bought at previous prices, obviously. But that's not the point.)

People care about rents (for renters) and how much real estate costs per month (for buyers), and both these metrics skyrocketed under JT, which is why we now have a housing crisis, while back under Harper housing was affordable, landlords gave free months to try to attract tenants, and there were no tent cities.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

There were no tent cities in Moncton under Harper, and only the baseline number of indigent druggies and mentally ill homeless people.

Under JT, homelessness exploded and drug use became rampant. Petty theft and panhandling is everywhere. The difference is quite striking.

I don't know about Moncton, but around here it mostly coincided with the pandemic which was it's own global force that affected people in addition to pre-existing housing conditions. Yet people seem to assume the relationship is purely causal rather than acknowledging
the correlative component.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

All this “JT caused rampant drug use and tent cities” hyperbole conveniently ignores a once a century pandemic and global recession. Sorry but JT’s not that powerful.

But he was that incompetent.

The WORST PM IN CANADIAN HISTORY - bar none (unless you enjoyed tearful apologies and a tremulous voice discussing how horrible a country Canada was in it's past history).

[MolsonExport]

Trudeau was an empty vessel (worst PM ever? Not sure about that, but definitely in the bottom third), but only the most deranged or clueless person would compare his record and behavior to that of the Orange lunatic. They are leagues apart.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

only the most deranged or clueless person would compare his record and behavior to that of the Orange lunatic. They are leagues apart.

No argument there.

[WarrenC12]

All of this age talk just remember GenX hits 60 this year. The boomers have started dying off and will in huge numbers over the next ~10 years.

Millenials are 29-44, Z are 13-28.

[Wigs]

Technically both trueviking and lio45 are correct about housing prices. While nominally they rose higher under Harper, the affordability decreased rapidly under Trudeau.

As for rents, both Winnipeg and Québec City (your respective Metros) used to be dirt cheap in relation to the rest of the country. While still a "deal" they've increased rapidly in both Metros.

My region and Molson Export's are prime examples of rapid housing appreciation /decreasing home affordability in southern Ontario. This was rapid population growth exacerbated by the pandemic where people moved out from the GTA to smaller Metros in southern Ontario.

Here's the composite (all types of homes) price increase from when Trudeau took office comparing Calgary (red) to London (cyan/turquoise) to Niagara (orange)


While SFH are generally pricer in Calgary, semis, town/rowhouses, condos average higher in London and Niagara CMAs.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by lio45

Sure, if you don't believe me just look at the difference in tent cities in our peer countries. Take a comparable to Moncton in, say, Germany or the USA or Japan, and see if the difference is anywhere near as big as it is when comparing the Harper era to the JT era.

Do it, don't just take my word...

You're a supply-and-demand denier? I know of a few, on this forum. Some people believe that being in the global Top 5 along with Syria and South Sudan for population growth, has nothing to do with the fact that we're now in a housing crisis. (That's mystifying to me, but hey, not everyone is smart...)

You’re right, not everyone is smart enough to become a real estate magnate / astro physicist slumlord like lio the 45th. Only someone so gifted and brilliant can decree that all societal problems are directly caused by whoever is leader at the time they occur. Therefore Trump is responsible for the opiate / fentanyl crisis, all illegal immigration, covid and the global recession that followed. It’s only fair if JT owns all of that here right?