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Old Posted Mar 8, 2025, 5:55 PM
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Trudeau is the opposite

Trudeau’s appeal to act tough for Canadians falls flat when almost everyone sees his speeches.
Most Canadians were proud of Trudeau's recent speech to Trump.

I don't what you saw
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Most Canadians were proud of Trudeau's recent speech to Trump.

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Agreed. But any Canadian with a level head on their shoulders could have stood infront of the camera and did what Trudeau said. It didn’t take a special kind of leader to rise to the occasion, anyone with common sense could delivered the same message.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2025, 6:14 PM
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Agreed. But any Canadian with a level head on their shoulders could have stood infront of the camera and did what Trudeau said. It didn’t take a special kind of leader to rise to the occasion, anyone with common sense could delivered the same message.
The key things is decision making around the response not how it was communicated.

Trudeau with the federal ministers worked on a response. They engaged the provinces to have buy in and adjust. They did not cave to the US.

He then communicated it effectively to the president and the public through the press.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2025, 6:24 PM
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The key things is decision making around the response not how it was communicated.

Trudeau with the federal ministers worked on a response. They engaged the provinces to have buy in and adjust. They did not cave to the US.

He then communicated it effectively to the president and the public through the press.
Agreed with that as well.

Well done Trudeau. It only took his third last day in office to unite Canadians.
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I guess I did.

It is mostly a BC and Ontario problem and even then a big city problem.

Housing is more expensive overall but still affordable in most of the country.
Casper Boomers really do live in their own alternative reality. This may be how it is viewed in your distorted fantasy world, but that's not the reality that most Canadians inhabit in.

Everywhere within a 3-5 drive from downtown Toronto (pretty much the whole Southern Ontario) is ridiculously expensive especially when measured against household income, Ottawa is now expensive, there is no pocket of affordability in BC. Calgary, Montreal and Halifax is seeing their affordability melt away, and that is already more than half the country that is being crushed by this housing bubble.
     
     
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Agreed with that as well.

Well done Trudeau. It only took his third last day in office to unite Canadians.
Can't recall a recent time when any Conservative PM or Conservative leader in Canada has united the country so much as Trudeau has...
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2025, 7:31 PM
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Can't recall a recent time when any Conservative PM or Conservative leader in Canada has united the country so much as Trudeau has...
The country was pretty damn united 10 years ago. I cant recall a time over Trudeaus regime that made life better for average Canadians. Everything is worse after trudeau.
     
     
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Everywhere within a 3-5 drive from downtown Toronto (pretty much the whole Southern Ontario) is ridiculously expensive especially when measured against household income, Ottawa is now expensive, there is no pocket of affordability in BC. Calgary, Montreal and Halifax is seeing their affordability melt away, and that is already more than half the country that is being crushed by this housing bubble.
Exactly. An example from the Atlantic provinces:

Interprovincial migration to Halifax slowed quite a bit last year. Interprovincial migration to Moncton exploded. Why? It’s not because people from BC and Ontario suddenly decided they didn’t like Halifax, but they loved Moncton. It’s because only one of the two is still cheap. (Halifax is obviously still relatively cheap, compared to many places, but it’s become expensive enough that it’s not functioning as an affordability relief valve as it once did.)

Increasingly, the places that DO serve as relief valves are going to be less and less desirable due to lifestyle, or remoteness, or limited employment. It’s one thing for people in 2021 to flock to Calgary and Halifax, but it’s altogether another to move to Sudbury or Nanaimo, no offence meant to those communities.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2025, 7:41 PM
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Casper Boomers really do live in their own alternative reality. This may be how it is viewed in your distorted fantasy world, but that's not the reality that most Canadians inhabit in.

Everywhere within a 3-5 drive from downtown Toronto (pretty much the whole Southern Ontario) is ridiculously expensive especially when measured against household income, Ottawa is now expensive, there is no pocket of affordability in BC. Calgary, Montreal and Halifax is seeing their affordability melt away, and that is already more than half the country that is being crushed by this housing bubble.
These problems are going to be solved by local governments making it easy to build more housing stock.

If it makes everyone happy to not put pressure on their local municipal governments and instead expect the feds to solve this, then ok.
     
     
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Can't recall a recent time when any Conservative PM or Conservative leader in Canada has united the country so much as Trudeau has...

Ten years of Trudeau’s post nationalism agenda destroying the country’s identity, Canadians jumped on anything.
     
     
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Most Canadians were proud of Trudeau's recent speech to Trump.
Most Canadians were. Trudeau has definitely risen to the challenge, when it comes to Trump.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2025, 7:56 PM
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Ten years of Trudeau’s post nationalism agenda destroying the country’s identity, Canadians jumped on anything.
Compare the first day he was in office to the last day. Today, Canadians are more united than ever. We have a clearer view of who we are and we stand for than the last 30 years.

During his time in office, how many provincial votes to separate have we had. The answer is none. Did we have something like the Meech Lake Accord fail under his watch. No.

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Most Canadians were. Trudeau has definitely risen to the challenge, when it comes to Trump.
Not just Trump. Most people rallied behind him during COVID. We can debate if it should have last as long as it did. But when it started and we needed Canadians to pull together they did.

While it is sad to see him go. I think Carney is going to be a strong replacement.
     
     
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The country was pretty damn united 10 years ago. I cant recall a time over Trudeaus regime that made life better for average Canadians. Everything is worse after trudeau.
United when we all wanted to vote Harper out? That 10 years ago?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2025, 8:27 PM
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United when we all wanted to vote Harper out? That 10 years ago?
United to force Trudeau to quit 2 months ago!!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2025, 8:37 PM
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Carney did exactly what trump wanted. He moved his company to New York from Canada. The guy evades taxes like a dead beat father evades child support. Carney would be a disaster running Canada. The guy does whatever's best for himself, not the country.
There may be some bad optics here, but this take is either a willful misrepresentation or mistaken understanding of what a board of directors does and how business and law intersect.

Board members have a legal responsibility to maximize shareholder value and can face expensive lawsuits, regulatory fines and reputational damage for failure to do so. If the organization's executive leadership makes a reasonable business case for relocation and backs it up with evidence, the board can't just reject it. If the board democratically approves it, it is absolutely not the chair's place to override the decision.

The concepts of duty of care and fiduciary duty are essential to corporate governance in Canada and across the Western world. Breaching these duties, especially in pursuit of a personal career in politics, is a much bigger problem and much closer to your (frankly bizarre) child support analogy.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2025, 8:46 PM
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I don't want to vote Conservative. I do like a lot of their policies but have no love affair with PP but the reality is that, after years of scandals and incompetence, the Liberals simply don't deserve another term. Yes, I am very happy Trudeau is stepping down but that doesn't change the fact that the Liberal MPs did nothing to stop the carnage but rather just clapped when he spoke like a bunch of well trained penguins.

My biggest problem, is that I don't know who would be best to stand up to Trump and follow thru with it as opposed to just giving endless speeches about it but doing nothing. I think PP has the personality and strength to do it but not the inclination while Carney has the inclination but not the balls.

At this point I am truly at a loss as to say who I support or which Party. One thing I do know, however, is that who ever wins I want them to get a majority gov't. We must have a unified and strong voice in Ottawa to tackle the nutcase down south.
     
     
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These problems are going to be solved by local governments making it easy to build more housing stock.

If it makes everyone happy to not put pressure on their local municipal governments and instead expect the feds to solve this, then ok.
Provincial and local governments shoulder the blame as well, but Trudeau and Freeland have made a mockery of the housing crisis by running Canada's largest immigration and international student ponzi scheme in the country's history, and have doubled down on policies like buying CMBS to crowd out the market, and recklessly increasing the CMHC insurable limit to $1.5M to fuel the housing bubble frenzy. Effectively fanning the flames of FOMO and moral hazard, forcing young Canadians to take on significant debt to buy a dog crate condo that's too small to raise a family. The feds have aggravated the crisis at every corner, clearly with the goal of ensuring its Casper Boomer base never has to experience lower capital appreciation on their property.
     
     
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My biggest problem, is that I don't know who would be best to stand up to Trump and follow thru with it as opposed to just giving endless speeches about it but doing nothing. I think PP has the personality and strength to do it but not the inclination while Carney has the inclination but not the balls.

At this point I am truly at a loss as to say who I support or which Party. One thing I do know, however, is that who ever wins I want them to get a majority gov't. We must have a unified and strong voice in Ottawa to tackle the nutcase down south.
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My biggest problem, is that I don't know who would be best to stand up to Trump and follow thru with it as opposed to just giving endless speeches about it but doing nothing. I think PP has the personality and strength to do it but not the inclination while Carney has the inclination but not the balls.

At this point I am truly at a loss as to say who I support or which Party. One thing I do know, however, is that who ever wins I want them to get a majority gov't. We must have a unified and strong voice in Ottawa to tackle the nutcase down south.
Honestly I don’t think it’s about strength—I don’t think Carney or Poilievre are likely to bow down before Trump. (I also don’t think Carney lacks strength; he just doesn’t have the bulldog demeanour, which doesn’t necessarily indicate a lack of resolve.)

For me what’s most important is this: if the U.S. continues to isolate itself and alienate allies, what we think of as traditional western alliances will be thrown into disarray. Canada needs leaders who will be able to forge new alliances and position Canada in a very rapidly changing world order. My strong suspicion is that Carney, a broadly well-respected and accomplished economist with international connections and pedigree, is in a way better position to understand this and achieve it.
     
     
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United when we all wanted to vote Harper out? That 10 years ago?
Quite right. Harper made no effort to unite. He was probably the most ideologically conservative PM in this country's history.
     
     
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Quite right. Harper made no effort to unite. He was probably the most ideologically conservative PM in this country's history.

And Trudeau described anyone who didn’t agree with him as having “Unacceptable Views”. The Liberals are the Thought Police.
     
     
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