Canadian Federal Election

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by elly63

...Frankly, I'm getting more and more tired of fighting my fellow Canadians and not the real enemy.

If one good thing can come of all this, it would be for us to remember that ultimately we are all Canadian and - regardless of political persuasion - at the end of the day we should all be working towards the same end goal.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by elly63

I think there IS something wrong with Pierre. If the hyper partizans would be honest we could have an honest discussion (unlike before with Freeland).

Originally Posted by elly63

What I've seen in the last two speeches is not the usual Pierre.

A hyper partiSan take would be a health related conspiracy take on why your guy just plain 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 lately.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by le calmar

It may be childish, but I find the way some names are re-imagined quite funny. Elon Musk is now "extended arm" or something, and every time I see him mentioned the name gets longer

Elongated Arm Extension Muskrat

[elly63]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

A hyper partiSan take would be a health related conspiracy take on why your guy just plain 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 lately.

par·ti·san

/ˈpärdəz(ə)n/

noun
noun: partisan; plural noun: partisans; noun: partizan; plural noun: partizans

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

If one good thing can come of all this, it would be for us to remember that ultimately we are all Canadian and - regardless of political persuasion - at the end of the day we should all be working towards the same end goal.

I'm not the biggest expert on our parliamentary system but if we were still in crisis post election could we have a coalition government with bipartisan members appointed to cabinet like we did during the war.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by elly63

I'm not the biggest expert on our parliamentary system but if we were still in crisis post election could we have a coalition government with bipartisan members appointed to cabinet like we did during the war.

It's not my area of expertise either, but coalition governments are possible according to the official website of the Parliament of Canada:

Coalition Governments
A coalition government consists of two or more political parties that agree to form a government together, with a Cabinet that includes ministers from each party. While such governments are common in other countries, coalitions are rare in Canada. Minority governments in Canada may use informal or written agreements with opposition parties instead of forming coalitions through multi-party cabinets.

Parliament of Canada: Majority and Minority Governments


And from the Canadian Encyclopedia:

Coalition governments are created when different political parties co-operate by forming a temporary alliance large enough to enjoy the confidence of Parliament, allowing them to form a government. Members of all parties in the coalition are appointed to Cabinet. This sometimes happens when no single party has achieved a majority of seats in the House of Commons or provincial legislature. Federal coalitions normally appear during periods of crisis such as war or political breakdown. The strengthening of party affiliations and the development of the party system since Confederation has made coalitions more difficult to negotiate. Politicians have become wary of the long-term results of coalitions and are reluctant to introduce them.

Canadian Encyclopedia: Coalition Governments in Canada

[dleung]

Originally Posted by travis3000

Im one of those classic Ontario Ford/Trudeau voters. There are quite a few of us. Ford does not have the same type of Conservatism found in the federal wing of the party. It's old school PC style, which I don't mind at all.

In 2022 I voted for Ford, and I did again last week. I also voted Trudeau in 2015/2019 and 2021. I know Trudeau got under lots of peoples skin, but he never had that effect on me. Every politician has their good and bad. I accepted JT's flaws, but in each election he was the most logical choice in my mind.

I voted NDP last week (basically the most-left winnable option in every election whether lib/green/NDP), but had no ill feelings about Ford winning again. Unlike PP or the GOP where they have no redeeming aspects, there are pros and cons here (more con than pro of coruse). It's not like he could do any worse than the greenbelt and Thermea fiascos lol

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

It's not my area of expertise either, but coalition governments are possible according to the official website of the Parliament of Canada

Thanks for being real.

[casper]

Originally Posted by elly63

I'm not the biggest expert on our parliamentary system but if we were still in crisis post election could we have a coalition government with bipartisan members appointed to cabinet like we did during the war.

It is up to the leader of the governing partner to decide on cabinet. He/she does not have to pick people that are in their party. What they need to do is continue to win non-confidence votes in the house.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by trueviking

I'm not sure it got stomped....he won by 1.5% of the popular vote.

Doesn't matter, popular vote only matters state to state, not nationwide. The Democrats won the popular vote in 2016 and still got stomped. Her popular vote was significantly lower than Biden in 2020 and Trump went up. Point is, people were all optimistic about her chances and thinking people wouldn't be fooled again by Trump, and well as Bill Burr said on SNL that following week "Ladies, you're 0-2 against this guy". People are getting over confident in the Liberals right now but these last couple polls posted are almost like a reality check.

[Hackslack]

I just saw a video of carney stating Canada is the largest supplier of semi-conductors to the US, which we clearly are not… why would he make that claim?

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Doesn't matter, popular vote only matters state to state, not nationwide. The Democrats won the popular vote in 2016 and still got stomped. Her popular vote was significantly lower than Biden in 2020 and Trump went up. Point is, people were all optimistic about her chances and thinking people wouldn't be fooled again by Trump, and well as Bill Burr said on SNL that following week "Ladies, you're 0-2 against this guy". People are getting over confident in the Liberals right now but these last couple polls posted are almost like a reality check.

No one knows what is going to happen. Period. No one knew who was going to win the US election. Anything said beforehand was largely conjecture and speculation. Hindsight bias after the fact is equally empty.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

I just saw a video of carney stating Canada is the largest supplier of semi-conductors to the US, which we clearly are not… why would he make that claim?

Old news, he's already walked it back.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by jonny24

I find the constant nicknames/name calling (not just you, most people) to be childish and distract from the good actual content that people write

IMHO, calling him by his proper name, spelled correctly, might signify a small sliver of respect. No way that piece of 🞵🞵🞵🞵 american president (without capitalization) is getting an ounce of respect from myself.

Childish? Maybe (though I'll argue not half as childish as some comments I've read). Satisfying? Yes. No apologies.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

I'm sorry, you are saying Carney is more a dream candidate here than Harris was in the US? I think Carney is a pretty much unknown to anyone who doesn't follow politics. Sure, this is our mini-primary, but it wouldn't have mattered in the US if they had their primary. Aside from Pence last year, who was actually running against a former President , Vice Presidents get the nomination when they seek it. I'm not even going to bother going back to finding when the last time a VP didn't get their party's nod for the top spot because it wouldn't be relevant to our times. And of course, you meant if Biden had resigned last July, but he also knew she had a lot of work ahead of her to run a campaign that just started with 3 months to go to also be taking on the work of being President at the same time.

My point is, the Liberals are getting their bounce now, the way Harris did, but when it got down to it, it wasn't sustainable. At least here, unlike the US, voters aren't going to be looking at the opposition as the party of the good times 5 years ago. But it's going to be a real uphill struggle for the Liberals to turn this ship around after 10 years in power, no matter who the leader is. This is still the CPC's to lose. I do think Carney's best chance is to get that election in as soon as possible before the economy comes to a screeching halt from the tariffs. He's probably not taking office for 2 weeks, so I would expect the election call to happen instead of Parliament coming back on the 24th. The funny thing is that Pierre has been pushing for an election so hard that the best thing now for him would be to wait a few months.

I agree with you that no matter what the polls suggest right now that the Liberals have a lot of work to do to even prevent the Conservatives from winning a majority. It's very difficult for any party in power for almost a decade to convince people to keep voting for them.

I have mentioned before that the Liberals will only have a shot at winning if they start the election campaign behind in the polls. The last three Liberal victories (2015, 2019, 2021) started with the party being behind the conservatives. If they start ahead then they will likely lose momentum and interest from those who don't want the PP conservatives to win.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by travis3000

Funny thing is, when Poilievre isn't yelling and screaming he is actually quite boring to listen to. His strength is channeling anger, pointing out whats wrong, being condescending with sly remarks and 3 word zingers. When you put this guy into a serious situation he fumbles bad. Immediately becomes awkward and tired.

He has made his name being the anti Trudeau. But the world has changed and he needs to pivot. The only problem is that he is not trained to do that. He looks like a fish out of water. If he is like this during the campaign he will lose.

Even when he was in government as an MP and later a cabinet minister he spent much of his time attacking the opposition parties.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Taeolas

PP's style of conservatism frankly scares me. Too much focused on the social aspects in general and focused on stuff that shouldn't need to be focused on in general.

DoFo feels more like old school conservatism. He's got some issues and hangups I don't like; but his brand is more acceptible to me than PP's style is.

I know I would never vote for either of them. But PP triggers "anyone but him" reactions in me, while DoFo, I wouldn't feel bad if he got into power. I wouldn't like it, but it wouldn't fill me with dread like PP does.

A lot of Ontarians aren't very big fans of Ford but a lot tolerate him unlike PP. I live in a city that voted 68% PC and was the best PC result in the province I believe. But Timmins isn't conservative country nor is it right-wing in any way. Our MPP who is a cabinet minister and our former mayor is socially to the left and probably a centrist economically. The Ontario PC Party still has a number of progressive people within it.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Doesn't matter, popular vote only matters state to state, not nationwide. The Democrats won the popular vote in 2016 and still got stomped. Her popular vote was significantly lower than Biden in 2020 and Trump went up. Point is, people were all optimistic about her chances and thinking people wouldn't be fooled again by Trump, and well as Bill Burr said on SNL that following week "Ladies, you're 0-2 against this guy". People are getting over confident in the Liberals right now but these last couple polls posted are almost like a reality check.

The last couple of polls did did include Carney as leader. The poll I saw with him hypothetically as leader, it was 39-39. Aside from that, the Innovative Research poll had the Liberals gaining ground from the last poll.

The one thing we can agree upon, is it's way too early to predict who will win the election, and the race is close.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jonny24

I find the constant nicknames/name calling (not just you, most people) to be childish and distract from the good actual content that people write, but on top of that I have to ask - is there a joke/pun you're getting at by spelling Adolf with a ph?

I only noticed because if you're going for rhyming / tying in with "Drumpf" why wouldn't you use the normal F spelling? The incongruity bothers me almost as much as all the name calling

I have felt this about this forum for many years now. Not just for Donald Trump but for a bunch of leaders and public figures people don’t like. It’s very childish and detracts from the discussion.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I have felt this about this forum for many years now. Not just for Donald Trump but for a bunch of leaders and public figures people don’t like. It’s very childish and detracts from the discussion.

I refuse to refer to the current occupant of the White House by his chosen name.

His family name is Drumpf. It was changed at some point following his grandfather moving to Dawson City and opening a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 house.

The Adolf part is well deserved. It suits his character and intentions.

Adolf Drumpf deserves no courtesy or respect whatsever, and i do not intend to give him any!