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View Poll Results: Who has the more positive vision for Canada's future?
Mark Carney's Liberals 176 73.95%
Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives 62 26.05%
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Depends which side you are on
Reality?
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Reality?
Not your "reality"
     
     
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LOL, Trump calling people "pretty nutty" LMFAO
That’s funny. Guaranteed someone told him he has tanked the Conservatives in Canada and he thought he would fix it by saying Pierre isn’t MAGA enough.
     
     
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Nope. I did notice a complete lack of environmental policy from the Conservatives however.
Ya? And how effective was the Libs climate policy? So effective their price on pollution, errrr carbon, will be cancelled, effectively following what the CPC has been saying for years?

Pat on the back.
     
     
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That’s funny. Guaranteed someone told him he has tanked the Conservatives in Canada and he thought he would fix it by saying Pierre isn’t MAGA enough.
Vance is friends with a Conservative MP so it's very possible.
     
     
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After today's events, I really want to know what Poilievre's stance is on Ukraine.
     
     
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Please provide a link to any study showing the moderate consumption of beer is ‘very healthy’. If most do, surely you can provide a few.
No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

The risks and harms associated with drinking alcohol have been systematically evaluated over the years and are well documented. The World Health Organization has now published a statement in The Lancet Public Health: when it comes to alcohol consumption, there is no safe amount that does not affect health.

source; https://www.who.int/europe/news-room/04-...cohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health
     
     
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Ya? And how effective was the Libs climate policy? So effective their price on pollution, errrr carbon, will be cancelled, effectively following what the CPC has been saying for years?

Pat on the back.
Carbon pricing is being cancelled because Poilievre has made it politically toxic through an opportunistic campaign of misinformation, not because it’s ineffective. Whatever it is replaced with (and it will be replaced with something) will cost taxpayers money, unlike carbon pricing, which gave more money back to most taxpayers than they paid. So, yeah. Pat on the back for that.

This is the reason carbon pricing was championed by Stephen Harper, was part of the Conservative platform under Erin O'Toole during the 2021 election, and was approved as a policy by Canadians in three federal elections.

Since you asked.

Per capita emissions in Canada have declined by 25 percent relative to the 2005 baseline year.

Overall, Canada's emissions have declined by 8 percent relative to 2005. It would have dropped much further but oil production has increased to set a new record high level every single year under Trudeau. (Oh, but I thought Trudeau was an enemy of the oil and gas industry!)

As a function of the economy, (GHG per gross domestic product) emissions have declined by 30 percent relative to 2005. (42 percent relative to 1990)

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Carbon pricing is being cancelled because Poilievre has made it politically toxic through an opportunistic campaign of misinformation, not because it’s ineffective.
You are right. Propaganda won, not common sense.
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After today's events, I really want to know what Poilievre's stance is on Ukraine.
He FINALLY put out a social media post... pretty pathetic. What is a "common sense Conservative"?

"As Leader of Canada’s common sense Conservatives I have always been clear, we stand with Ukraine in its defence against Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion.
I also firmly believe that the future of Ukraine must be determined by the Ukrainian people.
Conservatives will always stand on the side of freedom and democracy."
     
     
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I'm not going to slam Poilievre for putting out a post without much detail. All leaders are doing this. But a commitment without a plan is not worth much.
     
     
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He FINALLY put out a social media post... pretty pathetic. What is a "common sense Conservative"?

"As Leader of Canada’s common sense Conservatives I have always been clear, we stand with Ukraine in its defence against Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion.
I also firmly believe that the future of Ukraine must be determined by the Ukrainian people.
Conservatives will always stand on the side of freedom and democracy."
Poillievre is not a mini-Trump clone. This is self evident.

He will have a great deal of difficulty in convincing the average Canadian voter of this however.

Canadians are angry. They are frightened, and, are newly patriotic. They want to show this patriotism in an affirmative manner. This newly found patriotism has been instilled by a common enemy - Donald Trump. Trump has galvanized Canadian patriotism in a manner similar to Adolph Hitler during WWII.

Yes, I have said it. Donald Trump is the new Adolph Hitler. Trump is absolutely toxic. Any form of association with this vile man wiil destroy political careers. Poillievre will have to completely disassociate himself from MAGA rhetoric and ideology. It may already be too late for this. PP's whole persona is ted up with MAGA-like sloganeering. There are tonnes of PP's three-word slogans out there that Liberal party can use against him in TV ads. I have already seen some of them on TV, They are lethal.

How does PP combat this Trump association? I argue he will have do go all nuclear on Trump and try to become Captain Canada. Does PP actually want to do this? There are elements of his base who would be furious.
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I was good on the freeland interview until the maple syrup maga comment. Like fuck off already. And you could tell bill Maher didn’t do any research into who Pierre really is and was in paid advertising mode during most of the segment. Maher gets along with Roseanne for FFS, he would totally get along with Pierre.
     
     
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Poillievre is not a mini-Trump clone. This is self evident.

He will have a great deal of difficulty in convincing the average Canadian voter of this however.

Canadians are angry. They are frightened, and, are newly patriotic. They want to show this patriotism in an affirmative manner. This newly found patriotism has been instilled by a common enemy - Donald Trump. Trump has galvanized Canadian patriotism in a manner similar to Adolph Hitler during WWII.

Yes, I have said it. Donald Trump is the new Adolph Hitler. Trump is absolutely toxic. Any form of association with this vile man wiil destroy political careers. Poillievre will have to completely disassociate himself from MAGA rhetoric and ideology. It may already be too late for this. PP's whole persona is ted up with MAGA-like sloganeering. There are tonnes of PP's three-word slogans out there that Liberal party can use against him in TV ads. I have already seen some of them on TV, They are lethal.

How does PP combat this Trump association? I argue he will have do go all nuclear on Trump and try to become Captain Canada. Does PP actually want to do this? There are elements of his base who would be furious.
Didn’t trump combat that yesterday by saying, Pierre wasn’t maga, after saying it once before back in January, saying he didn’t know who he was or care about him.

Trump also bashed freeland…. Unless he secretly likes freeland and Pierre, you know like how schoolyard boys like to tease the girls. Tee hee
Remember there was one person he did conveniently ignore and that person is in the lead to take over the liberal party.

Pierre isn’t maga I don’t know why it’s so hard for you people to grasp, from day one he’s said he’d stand with Ukrainians. Many of the conservative candidates in western Canada have Ukrainian heritage. You think someone like James bezan would still be a member of the Conservative Party if it was kissing Russian ass?

Arent you people are smarter than this divisive shit.
     
     
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Didn’t trump combat that yesterday by saying, Pierre wasn’t maga, after saying it once before back in January
Through a certain lens, this comment by Trump could be seen as an attempt by Adolph II to help PP out. This is the way many Canadians will view it.
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And maybe you’d want to vote conservative James bezan is the shadow minister for defence and banned from Russia for standing up for Ukraine.
     
     
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Through a certain lens, this comment by Trump could be seen as an attempt by Adolph II to help PP out. This is the way many Canadians will view it.
Is he helping out freeland with his comments, common man
     
     
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Is he helping out freeland with his comments, common man
He sure would have helped out Carney mentioning him directly. I think Carney is the last guy he wants to deal with as PM of Canada for the next 4 years.

I think many people continue to see Pierre Poilievre as the Trump of the North, and these recent comments from the liar in chief have done little to change people’s perceptions of PP… Donald Trump’s word is worthless.
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He sure would have helped out Carney mentioning him directly. I think Carney is the last guy he wants to deal with as PM of Canada for the next 4 years.

I think many people continue to see Pierre Poilievre as the Trump of the North, and these recent comments from the liar in chief have done little to change people’s perceptions of PP… Donald Trump’s word is worthless.
I think he wants carney. They know all the same people. Carney worked for Goldman sachs and they love trump over there. They were one of the first companies to follow through on trumps dei plans scrapping all their diversity training and hiring initiatives.

And now carney is conveniently moving Brookfield down there to be closer to his friends. Maybe Brookfield had advanced knowledge of trumps plans. And then there’s the stripe stuff. Stealing fees from small businesses, why would I want that asshole as my pm.
     
     
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He lies, he steals, he hangs out with terrible people.

I want better.
     
     
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