Canadian Federal Election

[Werthers]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

“It’s not the American’s fault, it’s our fault, because we’re stupid.” — Pierre Poilievre

He's right. We voted Trudeau in three times when he was wildly unqualified the first time. I'm convinced we're masochists

[theman23]

The Poilievre to Trump comparison is one of the laziest slurs in recent memory. Poilievre gave a 60 minute speech today, which he closed by paying tribute to (amongst others) Inuit hunters and Chinese CPR railway workers, citing them as examples of Canadians struggling and overcoming unfathomable hardship. Never in a million years would Trump use an example like that in his speeches.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by theman23

The Poilievre to Trump comparison is one of the laziest slurs in recent memory. Poilievre gave a 60 minute speech today, which he closed by paying tribute to (amongst others) Inuit hunters and Chinese CPR railway workers, citing them as examples of Canadians struggling and overcoming unfathomable hardship. Never in a million years would Trump use an example like that in his speeches.

Freeland's campaign also took the lazy way out and stupidly called out Poilievre's embrace of the Canadian flag as Trumpian. At this point with all the post-national kool-aid the Trudeau Liberals have shoved down their throats in the last decade, they can't even figure out if the party likes or hates the Canadian flag (and by extension Canada's national identity).

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[Architype]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

“It’s not the American’s fault, it’s our fault, because we’re stupid.” — Pierre Poilievre

Originally Posted by Werthers

He's right. We voted Trudeau in three times when he was wildly unqualified the first time. I'm convinced we're masochists

I'm convinced that Canada needs its own Trump, and we have it ready made in Pullover. He needs to fire everyone in the civil service, and start over with unqualified people, and that's just to start. He'll make a terrific governor.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

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Trudeau took a country that had some problems and turned it into a country that has major structural problems. The fact that the red team still cannot see that does note bode well for an actual election campaign. Carney and his $400k housing allowance are going to get chewed up.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Visceral opposition to the Carbon Tax is sort of strange. For most families, the effect is neutral (with the rebate).

Somebody decided it should be front and centre as an election issue, which was (apparently) fine and dandy until Dumbald Trump unleashed his tariff and annexation threats.

And still, there are people here that support Trump. Unbelievable.

For most affluent families with single location jobs who vacation overseas it is neutral or profitable. For anyone whose job requires moving around (such as a tradesperson), for younger people forced to live in further and further suburbs, or people who live in un renovated older stock housing it is a nightmare. I personally made money off the carbon tax, but I can see how many wouldn’t.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I personally made money off the carbon tax, but I can see how many wouldn’t.

I don't know how anyone can calculate that when the carbon tax is baked in to so many prices. Which also means fat chance those prices are coming down when the tax is axed.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by samne

There is more than enough quote ammo on Carney pushing carbon taxes. Especially now that Canadas economy is taking a turn for the worst. Carney will be sold as continuation of the same by the CPC.

Nobody cares about the carbon tax, now that the Orange Hitler south of us is threatening to make us the 51st state.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by theman23

These two things don’t seem contradictory or exclusive of each other. The parties are basically engaging in a competition of who can wave the flag the hardest right now or be seen as the toughest on Trump, and Liberals are hoping their track record over the last ten years gets forgotten in the midst of the threats. But many things are “broken” in this country at the moment and wanting to fix them doesn’t mean you’ll roll over to the United States. If promising a return to the way things were and were trending in earlyNovember 2024 is the best that can be offered, then the future of this country is looking pretty grim.

There is only one party that is resonating with voters, and it's not the CPC. The big problem for PP, is that recent polls have indicated that in spite of Donald Trump's unpopularity in Canada (over 95% of people who voted for the Liberals, NDP, Bloc, and Greens view Trump unfavourably), 41% of Conservative voters have a favourable opinion of Trump.

This is going to be a massive problem for Poilievre, since he has to find the right balance of sticking up for Canada, without alienating half of his base. I don't think he can pull this off.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

I don't know how anyone can calculate that when the carbon tax is baked in to so many prices. Which also means fat chance those prices are coming down when the tax is axed.

Or perhaps it caused prices to come down. More energy efficient refrigeration equipment in the food supply chair. Taxi and uber drives moving to EVs. Utilities retiring coal generations. The list goes on and on. Airlines flying more fuel efficient aircraft.

The carbon tax has caused individuals and industry to make changes. Those changes have longer term cost savings.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Dartguard

The Shubenacadie Reserve between Halifax and Truro N.S. took Fed money to look for the unmarked graves of the only residential School in N.S.. The only graves they found were of early Irish settlers. Also unmarked as the wooden cross's had long ago deteriorated and melted into the ground.

The Liberals are about to wiped out in South West N.S. due to the lack of enforcement of Harvesting practise's that are gutting the Lobster stocks since locals bands have been encouraged and paid to get into the business. Fisheries and Oceans have been ordered to stand down. And they have. A mess.

I have been getting an earful about this from my relatives in SW NS every time I have visited in recent years. The Shubenacadie community is 300-350 km away and they never fished for lobster historically in this region or anywhere else. I agree that lobster has become a valuable resource in the province and that it should be shared with Indigenous peoples. But only within quotas and seasons everyone else has to respect, in order to protect the resource for the future.

This has been handled so badly including the feds handing off facilities and wharves such as the one in Saulnierville which is now off limits to the local townspeople some of which have had ships at that wharf in their families for generations. The wharf is “patrolled” by people from Shubenacadie and you get the side-eye or followed or threatened if you go there and are not Indigenous.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by casper

Or perhaps it caused prices to come down. More energy efficient refrigeration equipment in the food supply chair. Taxi and uber drives moving to EVs. Utilities retiring coal generations. The list goes on and on. Airlines flying more fuel efficient aircraft.

The carbon tax has caused individuals and industry to make changes. Those changes have longer term cost savings.

Show me the examples of companies willingly lowering their prices because their energy usage goes down with efficiency? Taxi fares are regulated, I don't see gas and EV fares and the EV cab also costs more to buy (and perhaps also needs to be taken out of service at inopportune times to charge, costing revenue but that would be a planning issue for the operator). If Air Canada buys a whole new fleet of "more fuel efficient" aircraft than what WestJet has, Air Canada is still going to charge what they can get away with, and they also have to pay for those aircraft.

Gas isn't going to suddenly drop 17 cents a litre if the carbon tax came off tomorrow. It might for a short period, for marketing (just like how the gas companies throw us the odd bone by dropping the price leading into a summer weekend, but then jack you on the way home) but gas prices always fluctuate all over the place. Pretty soon we will be switching to summer gas and the price will go up, 6 months later we will switch to winter gas and the price will go up. Notice they always say the seasonal switch causes prices to go up but the switch back at the next season never is cheaper? Hell, going back in history, the GST was supposed to make some prices go down because it was changing from a built in higher hidden tax to a lower added on tax. Hardly anything dropped in price when the old tax was taken off

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Actually “carbon tax Carney” is pretty good. Alliterative, easy to remember and paints a perfect picture of his past public stance.

Yes it really fools the simpletons. I'm glad they vote so much.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by theman23

These two things don’t seem contradictory or exclusive of each other. The parties are basically engaging in a competition of who can wave the flag the hardest right now or be seen as the toughest on Trump, and Liberals are hoping their track record over the last ten years gets forgotten in the midst of the threats. But many things are “broken” in this country at the moment and wanting to fix them doesn’t mean you’ll roll over to the United States. If promising a return to the way things were and were trending in earlyNovember 2024 is the best that can be offered, then the future of this country is looking pretty grim.

What competition? PP has been virtually invisible.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Show me the examples of companies willingly lowering their prices because their energy usage goes down with efficiency?

Assuming we have a free market that's exactly how things work. Oligopolies and price-fixing aside, companies will lower their prices to attract more customers. Other businesses that can't compete will fail. Market Economics 101.

You can be pessimistic about it all, but the reality is that market forces are very strong, even if they don't work overnight.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

What competition? PP has been virtually invisible.

There seems to be a big gap between the Liberal talking points and what PP is actually saying.

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[acottawa]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Assuming we have a free market that's exactly how things work. Oligopolies and price-fixing aside, companies will lower their prices to attract more customers. Other businesses that can't compete will fail. Market Economics 101.

You can be pessimistic about it all, but the reality is that market forces are very strong, even if they don't work overnight.

Perhaps you can show an example of a company that has lowered its prices in recent years in response to the carbon tax.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Yes it really fools the simpletons. I'm glad they vote so much.

Exactly the same kind of attitude Harris supporters displayed. How’d that work out?

[Marty_Mcfly]

Originally Posted by acottawa

There seems to be a big gap between the Liberal talking points and what PP is actually saying.

I think at this point Liberals are just hoping that the average person isn't actually paying attention to Pierre. That way they can shape the narrative around him. His speech yesterday was good, but I doubt anyone other than core CPC supporters and political junkies watched it in its entirety.

You certainly can't say that he doesn't have any policy plans, he laid a bunch of them out yesterday in detail. He also had a strong message for the USA and a laid out his plans should we find ourselves in a trade war. You'll know whether people actually watched his rally or not if they continue to parrot the usual "he has no plan, verb the noun" or "he'll give our country to the americans" talking points that we've seen for ages now.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

What competition? PP has been virtually invisible.

There's a huge incumbent advantage and signal boost in this type of existential threat which the Liberals have used well (they used it during COVID as well), but the messaging from PP has been pretty consistent ("dollar for dollar" retaliatory tariffs, buy Canadian, etc.).