PHILADELPHIA | The Murano | 475 FT / 145 M | 42 FLOORS

[Swinefeld]

Murano Condominium

Official website: The Murano Condominium (http://themuranocondominium.com/).

Location: 2101 Market Street (NW corner), Philadelphia, PA 19103
Usage: Residential with 9,000 sf of ground-level retail space.
Height: 475' (144.8 meters) Floors: 42
Architects: Solomon Cordwell Buenz
Development Team: P&A Associates and The Thomas Properties Group
Estimated Cost: $165,000,000
Units: 302, ranging from 742 sf to over 2,000. Priced from the upper $300,000s to over $2,000,000
Completion: Q3 2007
Amenities/Features:
• Fitness center
• Sundeck
• Hospitality area
• 60' swimming pool
Trivia: The name Murano was taken from a town in Italy renowned for its glasswork.

Comments: Sleek, modern and elegant.

Exterior renderings
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2267/picture85tu.jpg http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/605/1366584954508ge.jpg

Interior renderings
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2139/picture72dx.jpghttp://img176.imageshack.us/img176/848/picture63gw.jpghttp://img176.imageshack.us/img176/38/picture52rc.jpg

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3093/picture49zh.jpghttp://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7402/picture31ee.jpghttp://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9061/picture25ga.jpg

Full page ad
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/196/murano4hx7yv.jpg

Rendering showing completed Comcast Center and Murano at right.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/813/cccomcastmurano5hn.jpg

Collage by williamphilapa
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/956/moremurano9kq4yt.jpg

The site

November 22, 2005. The corner of 21st and Market looking north and west. Budget Rental office and car wash visible at left and right of photo.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2593/muranosite8ok.jpg

December 9, 2005. Looking south and east.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1023/southandeast1tx.jpg

December 10, 2005. Looking south towards Market Street.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9066/muranotowardsmarketst6ai.jpg

December 19, 2005. Looking south and east.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9263/southeastview8er.jpg

December 19, 2005. Looking due west.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9100/pipes1bg.jpg

January 1, 2006. Steel beams and water main being installed.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2924/beams1lx.jpg

More to come.

[Capsule F]

So we really do have some definate work going on there, very nice. Ill check it out when I go to Medusa on thursday nights.

[williamphilapa]

So it begins...

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/5416/murano8an.png (http://imageshack.us)


Nice job on the intro page!

[Jularc]

Alright for Philly!

I always wanted that lot on Market street to be develop... Of course there still the one between 19th and 20th to be develop.

I really like this building. Hopefully this will bring more people to Market Street at night time!

[Awkab]

Beautiful design. And I really enjoyed (laughed at) some of those renderings by the Murano team. City Hall is so tiny! As long as they stay faithful to the renderings of the actual building though, they can draw pigs flying over the city for all I care.

[UCityPhila]

Rendering showing completed Comcast Center and Murano at right.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/813/cccomcastmurano5hn.jpg

LOVE IT! The Murano is going to really add to the Market Street scape. Now all they need to do is tear down The Forum and Le Gals! Anybody know if there are plans to do so?!?!

[Philly-Drew]

WOW! Lookin' great. I'm very happy to see this project getting off the ground.

:cheers:

:banana:

[giovanni sasso]

awkab, yeah, the representation of the city is laughable in those renderings, to the point of cartoonish, but the building itself is fantastic looking. this is my second favorite of the condo towers (after mandeville place, of course), so i'm happy to see all the work being done on site. guess i'll update my own site to reflect construction too, heh heh ...

[jrdizzy]

This is great! I was starting to get a little skeptical about some of the proposed condos ever getting off the ground. Especially since city council is kicking around the idea of repealing the 10 year tax abatement. But now that there is a hole in the ground, we might be able to see Murano and Comcast going up at the same time later this year.

[colemonkee]

Congrats Philly! This building kind of reminds me of 1255 S. Michigan in Chicago from the waist up. Makes sense since they're designed by the same architects. 1255 turned out really nice, so this one should too.

[Londonee]

have we had an official announcement from the developers that actual construction has commenced? i hope we arent jinxing anything by jumping the gun with this thread...does anyone know if there is an official groundbreaking and when it's scheduled for?

[kazpmk]

Swinefeld, since you and the philly IV now consider this building under construction, would you say it began construction in Dec 2005 or Jan 2006?

[Swinefeld]

Swinefeld, since you and the philly IV now consider this building under construction, would you say it began construction in Dec 2005 or Jan 2006?
December 2005.

Londonee, we have all the elements of a construction site. Look at the pictures.

sasso, get busy updating!

UCityPhila, the building that houses Les Gals look historical. They will probably never tear it down. I bet it's one of the oldest buildings on Market Street. I can't believe the Forum is still around.

Awkab, the official rendering is laughable as to the scale and placement of the other center city skyscrapers. We all had a good laugh!

Check back for frequent updates!

[FlyersFan118]

woohoo!!

incredible job on the intro. Murano rules.

the matrix picture's sweet too.

[phillyskyline]

Nice job setting up everything Swiney Swine!!! JRDizzy, great point about seeing Comcast & Murano possibly rising up at the sametime, can you imagine the cranes rising? It will look like a construction boomtown, lol.... Maybe even 1919 Market can join the party!

[ItsConanOBrien]

Looks great! I look forward to following the progress of this tower thanks to all of the Philly photographers.

[rdm]

whoa! great job. this one i felt really crept up on everyone! :)

[volguus zildrohar]

Last January we got great news on Comcast Center and now the first of 2006's buildings begin. Fantastic.

Time for me to get back to work.

[MJPhilly]

I was near the site tonight and it definitely looks like construction is imminent. There is a drilling machine on site near the northwest corner.

These photos kinda suck but here they are:
http://www.skyscrapersunset.com/projects/construction/murano/images/0601-01.jpg

http://www.skyscrapersunset.com/projects/construction/murano/images/0601-02.jpg

http://www.skyscrapersunset.com/projects/construction/murano/images/0601-03.jpg
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[JManc]

wrong thread.:baby:

[Chad]

SHIT!!, What a pure beauty!

[looper121]

Hmmm, no groundbreaking date was ever announced. *shrugs*, oh well. :D
Great News! Looks Good!

[Pinoy2.0]

This is by far my favorite...edges Cira only bc it's residential.

[Swinefeld]

Hmmm, no groundbreaking date was ever announced. *shrugs*, oh well. :D
Great News! Looks Good!
Hey, I don't need a bunch of suits standing at a podium to tell me when a groundbreaking is. :)

[The Cheat]

It's not a groundbreaking without Governor Ed Rendell, Mayor John Street, DA Lynne Abraham, and a few minor celebrities and sports stars. :)

[tranceclubbinphilly]

Great job on this thread Swinefeld! My thought is that since they had to remove the budget rent a car first they probally could not have a proper groundbreaking.

[tranceclubbinphilly]

^ that was my first post on this redesigned thread, i'm now just a registerd user (I was really looking forward to getting the "highrise" or even "skyscraper" status some day) :(

[phillyskyline]

I agree it does suck not having that special status - I was looking forward to reaching SuperTall status someday. The other thing that irks me about this new board is at the bottom of the page, there is nowhere for me to jump back to the original page, i have to choose from the forum jump menu to go to a specific thread or scroll back up to click on Skyscraperpage forum. If you have a lot of pics or posts on one page its rather annoying to not be able to get back to the original page in a quick manner.

anyways, can't wait to see this dig on the Murano....

[MJPhilly]

The other thing that irks me about this new board is at the bottom of the page, there is nowhere for me to jump back to the original page, i have to choose from the forum jump menu to go to a specific thread or scroll back up to click on Skyscraperpage forum.
I agree. But you might want to try just hitting backspace to go to the last page in your browser. I'm a big fan of keystrokes and try to use the mouse as little as possible.

[Londonee]

Londonee, we have all the elements of a construction site. Look at the pictures.



to be fair, we have quasi "construction" photos over on the Marina View Towers thread from about 3 months ago...and that hasnt exactly taken off the ground yet either. here's hoping that this site work does in fact signal the start of proper construction and the tower will soon be following.

[giamomj]

:banana: Look is like Murano IS a go....yay!

Gia

[looper121]

to be fair, we have quasi "construction" photos over on the Marina View Towers thread from about 3 months ago...and that hasnt exactly taken off the ground yet either. here's hoping that this site work does in fact signal the start of proper construction and the tower will soon be following.

At least there has been some real excavation on the Murano already. At the Marina View site they pushed around some gravel and everyone got wet, rightly so...eff Marina View...

[williamphilapa]

1/7/05 between 4:00pm - 4:30pm EST
Machinery moving around today.


http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/9863/murano15ev.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/5462/murano23ke.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/2839/murano38ri.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Swinefeld]

Geez, I was there around the same time, but at TJ's parking lot.

This one shows the steel beams really well.
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/5474/murano3av.jpg

[blorkishdork]

This thing is deffinetly going up! so nice to see, it'll be a great cap on the commerce buildings.

oh yeah for tommorrow: GO CATS AND OWLS

[Swinefeld]

Some new renderings.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/419/muranorendering18hq.jpghttp://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5668/muranorendering24wv.jpg

Overhead view of the construction site.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7715/muranooverhead3fe.jpg

[Benhamin]

Nice building. I'm really impressed with the recent projects going up in Philly.

[iamrobk]

Will there be any retail like on the ground floor of that parking garage, or will all the retail be in the ground floor of the building itself?

[volguus zildrohar]

I ran by there today. Everything is lookin' gangsta. I don't remember if a new diagram has been done for Murano but whoever tackles it (ahem) please be sure not to omit the garage.

[williamphilapa]

This new rendering makes it look tiny (width & height) in comparision to the Commerce twins.
http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/5406/mur8gx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Looking at the evening renderings it appears that this building won't have any lighting on the roof.:(
...I hope there is some sort of subtle lighting.

[The Cheat]

The height is correct in that rendering. The perspective in the first one makes it look taller than it really is. There's no night rendering so we don't know what the lighting will be. It could be back-lit around the crown.

And that is a huge ass parking garage. I'm in San Francisco this week for work and photos so I won't be doing diagrams for a while. I will be posting photos from SF, though.

[Londonee]

wow. that parking garage is enormous. that's a bit disappointing. is this the first rendering of that thing?

[jrdizzy]

That second rendering does make it look small. This thing is going to be 475' right? That rendering makes it look around 425 to me.

[banned]

The parking garage is huge! I'd take the renderings with a grain of salt, only because of the previous ones that we have seen which totally mess up city hall, mellon bank center and liberty place.

i really hope that the garage is not that large.

[giovanni sasso]

yeah but why wouldn't that rendering be right? the number of parking spaces is supposed to be equal to or more than the amount of units, which in the case of the murano is (i am too lazy to look this figure up), and we all knew there was gonna be a parking garage there anyway since the building addresses market street and 21st street. i am the furthest thing from a garage advocate, but where that garage is is fine. half of trader joe's parking lot between a disconnected and elevated JFK and market street, from which it is disconnected, 21st street and a trader joe's parking lot that won't have any access to it. in short, that garage will have very little impact on its immediate surroundings. the only thing it will do will get in the way of pictures of the murano from JFK.

good stuff, swiney.

[wanderer34]

If it's 475', then it's a little dissapointing, as it doesn't break the brim of Billy Penn's hat (491'). But the most dissapointing thing about it is the parking garage next to it. Can't the developers just be more innovative and build an underground garage while using the rest of the space for maybe an entertainment center (shopping, restaurants, fitness center, etc.). I automatically gave it a 10 until the height and parking garage came into play. Now it's an 8.:maddown:

[volguus zildrohar]

All the condo towers are hovering around that number. Cost-to-benefit ratio. Can we fill 45, 50, 60 stories of condominiums?

The parking garage would probably be more attractive if it were hidden but I think the site is too dicey to dig that much under - considering there's already an apartment building on the same block.

[looper121]

If it's 475', then it's a little dissapointing, as it doesn't break the brim of Billy Penn's hat (491'). But the most dissapointing thing about it is the parking garage next to it. Can't the developers just be more innovative and build an underground garage while using the rest of the space for maybe an entertainment center (shopping, restaurants, fitness center, etc.). I automatically gave it a 10 until the height and parking garage came into play. Now it's an 8.:maddown:

Considering where that parking garage is going to be, (I think someone mentioned this) it will be in a somewhat unusable/undesirable space anyway. The bank from JFK Parkway/Septa lines are right there, so unless there was going to be another monster on the block (Commerce Sqaure, ie.), filling that space with anything but a parking block is slim...since the Apartment Building with the trader joe's AND the Murano will be taking up the entire block along Market street I have less of a problem with this particular parking garage...

[Philly-Drew]

Originally posted by Giovni Sasso
the number of parking spaces is supposed to be equal to or more than the amount of units, which in the case of the murano is (i am too lazy to look this figure up),

Shame on you Sasso, don't be too lazy now. :) Swinefeld did an exceptional job on the first page here. You know that all the pertinent information is the first thing you see on the previous page!:tup:

[Capsule F]

The parking garage is about the most that is possible to be built on that spot, gio is right its right next to an elevated street and grass ditches, its all good.

[Lrrr]

Yeah, this thing is definitely under construction. There is no comparison between this and the Marina View site. Anyway, I'm glad its going up but this ranks in the middle of my list of favorite condo projects. RATR is my favorite. There, I said it. Then 1441. I hope they both go up but I'd be satisfied with one. Either one will wake up that dreary stretch of Chestnut Street between Broad and 16th. I also like 10 Rittenhouse and I'm glad that's going up.

[jrdizzy]

I like this thing more and more every time I see it too. I saw a large add in Philly mag the other day. I think this will do wonders for the view driving in east on the Schuylkill, not that that view needs any work anyway. It is near the top of my list of favorite projects as well. Way better than anything on the Delaware waterfront IMO.

However, even though I am excited eveytime a new project breaks ground, I am afraid that it is lowering the chances of my beloved Mandeville becoming a reality.

[tranceclubbinphilly]

:previous: I feeel the exact same way about Mandeville, that by far is my favorite condo development proposed and it would be a real shame if it does not become a reality!

[rgolch]

Me likey da building!

[Philly-Drew]

This building will be awesome. Just think about how much the view of our beloved city will have evolved for the better once you arrive at 30th street station and look towards Center City. With the Berber building rehab, the Murano condo tower, the CC tower and Cira right next to the train station, it’s SOO much better then just a couple of years ago. Wow. Talk about evolution. It’s been a long time for Philly, I am so glad to see this happening here.

I am still pretty confident about Mandeville. I stick by my idea that Mandeville is really for the super rich, the whole tower. The average price for a condo in Mandeville will probably much higher then any other building in this city, including the Murano. To put it succinctly, Mandeville is trying to lure a different tenant then the other towers, I don’t see any adds coming out for Mandeville like “starting in the mid 400s”. It’s gonna be more like “if you have to ask…..”

[williamphilapa]

^^^What is the sales number for Mandeville? Can we find out how many floors are sold, if any?

Image if Mandeville, Cira Centre 2, and the Post Office towers, and those development at Powelton Rail Yard towers were all getting built!!!
...Skyline expansion :worship:

[iamrobk]

In my eyes, the difference between Mandeville and the rest is that while the rest are catering for corporate executives and whatever, Mandeville is for the CEO's themselves.

[FlyersFan118]

^^^What is the sales number for Mandeville? Can we find out how many floors are sold, if any?

Image if Mandeville, Cira Centre 2, and the Post Office towers, and those development at Powelton Rail Yard towers were all getting built!!!
...Skyline expansion :worship:



I'm fairly confident that they will get built. The schuykill side of things seem to have better chances than the delaware side, and much better chances than anything built inside center city (or on a square ;))

Actually...if ya think about it...that certain tower on that certain square appears to have the green light now. 1441 and RatR still irk me though...I'll still be shocked if either of em go up. If both go up...I'll be beyond shocked.

[Swinefeld]

The plot deepens...

From today, January 16th, 2006.
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7417/murano1january163uy.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6881/murano3january161ng.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5755/murano2january161bm.jpg

[MJPhilly]

Holy shit. Thanks for the update.

[cjPhilly]

Nice update! I was wondering how things are looking down there. Moving pretty quickly it seems.

[williamphilapa]

..moving qickly. Thanks for the update:yes:

[giovanni sasso]

KILLER H-BEAMS, MAN! :rock:

[buildup]

Those lofts in the old building in the background of the last photo, aren't they done yet? Are the prices there reasonable? It was an ugly building prior to renovation but it still is less than attractive to me.

[volguus zildrohar]

2121 Arch is still under construction believe it or not. They've been working on that building for at least the better part of two years. Cira Centre went up in half that time and they had to start from scratch.

[phillyskyline]

That last shot make the area look very vacant. I can't wait to see some real construction going on here.

[volguus zildrohar]

The area is quite on the vacant side. I should hope the residential developments on that stretch of Market drags some street life along with it.

[Londonee]

Those lofts in the old building in the background of the last photo, aren't they done yet? Are the prices there reasonable? It was an ugly building prior to renovation but it still is less than attractive to me.

but it's a nice example of adaptive reuse. Hal or someone who actually feels like looking it up can tell you more, but the building is almost 100 years old and was the former location for the Daily News during its hey day. it was so ugly for so long, now it's got some charm to it...

[FlyersFan118]

:righton: :babyeat:


The murano rocks, dude. :worship: :thrasher:

[Swinefeld]

From yesterday, 1/28/06. The hole is widening and deepening.

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/6155/murano6zp.jpg

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/9741/murano23oi.jpg

[jlendo]

I see this all the time but it's always at night, so thanks for the day time update Swine

[giamomj]

:notacrook: Me thinks it's gonna fly to the sky.

Comcast Center, however, seems bogged down, still, in all of that concrete casting in the core.....I don't see how it can be ready in Fall 2007 - but maybe so.

Murano will be the one to beat, as I think Mandeville will be pronounced DOA soon....GoDiva - any news on Mandy?

Gia

:notacrook:

[TheOldMan]

:notacrook: Me thinks it's gonna fly to the sky.



Murano will be the one to beat, as I think Mandeville will be pronounced DOA soon....GoDiva - any news on Mandy?

Gia

:notacrook:

Mandeville is not dead,not yet anyway-see my update in Philly IV page 514.

[Swinefeld]

February 5, 2006.
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9352/murano9jc.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5296/murano24eu.jpg

[The Cheat]

Nice. Green water. Blue water.

[cjPhilly]

From today, Feb. 14
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b49/cjurek/Murano/200602142.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b49/cjurek/Murano/200602144.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b49/cjurek/Murano/200602145.jpg

[tranceclubbinphilly]

Those last few pictures remind be of comcast center this time last year. Yep, this thing is definately in progress.

[JBinCalgary]

IMO that is one of the best residential projects underway in NA right now! another great addition to the ever growing philly skyline

[Swinefeld]

02/19/06

The hole is getting deeper.
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9118/murano10jh.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9666/murano23jl.jpg

[williamphilapa]

2_27_06 11:09am

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3481/dscf20421cj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9513/dscf20418ax.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


^^^Going down the pit ramp>>>


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http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2796/dscf20431ox.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[tranceclubbinphilly]

Man Will, you really get around! great pics!!!

[phillyskyline]

02/19/06
The hole is getting deeper.
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9118/murano10jh.jpg


I like when holes get bigger. :banana:

[volguus zildrohar]

^You would;)

I haven't been covering this one too much personally because it's out of my way but man....look at that hole!

[RayZ]

Was by the Murano site last night. The excavated hole has been neatly refilled with the pyramid of dirt that was piled to the north. A couple weeks ago a poster stated that this would happen (^^^…). Since the garage will be north of the building facing JFK, I guess there was no need for a deep foundation. The digging must have been for HasMat concerns?

[litty]

i dont know about no need for a deep foundation...the building is still pretty tall and therefore will need a corresponding foundation...the higher you go the deeper the foundation...i dont like the sound of this...i love the murano like a fat kid love cake.

[RayZ]

i dont know about no need for a deep foundation...the building is still pretty tall and therefore will need a corresponding foundation...the higher you go the deeper the foundation...i dont like the sound of this...i love the murano like a fat kid love cake.

The hole was not completely filled. Still about 10 foot deep from ground level.

[donybrx]

To paraphrase WC Fields...."On the hole, I'd rather be in Philadelphia"...

HEY! I don' write this stuff!....well actually, yes. I do......
Exciting piece of construction, Murano........

[RayZ]

Was by the Murano site last night. The excavated hole has been neatly refilled with the pyramid of dirt that was piled to the north. A couple weeks ago a poster stated that this would happen (^^^…). Since the garage will be north of the building facing JFK, I guess there was no need for a deep foundation. The digging must have been for HasMat concerns?

The info about the hole being filled in was from Phillyblogs Murano thread dated 2/16. Here's the quote (by Phantic):




Yesterday I was talking to one of the demolition crew guys on the murano site. I asked him about when the construction was going to get started and he said he thought it would be about a month. Apparently, they are going to re-fill that large hole in the next couple of weeks.

When he told me this I asked him about underground parking and he said there would be no parking underground but a side parking lot that would actually go over the top of JFK.

I apologize if anyone's already talked about this but it just seemed so odd that I wanted to see if anyone else had heard something different or knew what this guy was talking about.

[SouthPhilly]

This is all confussing...whats going on?

[volguus zildrohar]

Going over the top of JFK? I assume he just means towers over it. We've seen the renderings with the garage so we knew that was coming.

I don't know why they'd refill the hole though.

[Swinefeld]

This is all confussing...whats going on?
The answer: soil mitigation. The process by which soil is removed and examined for toxins. At least that's what I was told by someone in my office who knows a lot about that sort of thing. Concrete will be poured in about three weeks, according to a sales office person.

I hope that cleared things up. :D

[giovanni sasso]

it's not going to go over the top of JFK -- there is a septa viaduct on the other side of JFK -- but it might go up to JFK, where cars can enter and exit the garage. lookie:

http://phillyskyline.com/123abc/murano_2.jpg

[Lincolndrive]

BTW....It does look like they have re-filled most of the hole at the site however. Its only about 6 feet deep now (as of yesterday). I was in the sales office as well and they did say that there wouldn't be any basement (which still sounds strange). I tried to get a construction start date and the receptionist said it was coming soon but nothing in-stone yet. Can't wait till it REALLY gets going. I liked seeing the life sized corner room model inside. If you get a chance, stop in there.

[The Cheat]

It's a shame the parking isn't underground.

[tranceclubbinphilly]

Hey if you look closely at that picture you can see the guarage does go over some street or alley but not JFK.

[giovanni sasso]

naw, that's not an alley -- that's the trader joe's parking lot and the entrance to the garage. (presumably, anyway.) the murano will, however, be reintroducing van pelt street to the north side of market (in between the murano itself and the after six building), so i guess that's where cars from that side will enter (and the others from JFK?).

anyone (coughswinefeldcough) wanna stop by the office and ask?

[volguus zildrohar]

I'm still not loving this garage. It seems quite awkward placed right alongside JFK, functional though it may be. I hope it isn't terribly ugly.

[wanderer34]

:previous: I agree with the garage. I wish that the garage was underground, but at the same time am still happy that the Murano will be built along with the rest of the condo projects.

[volguus zildrohar]

I suppose excavation for a garage of that size would be a dicey proposal for that particular spot, hemmed in by the foundations of 2121 Market, Commerce Square and the Market Street Subway which runs extra wide in that region.

Sigh.

[litty]

Isn't JFK raised up from the level of Market Street at this point? Depending on how high this garage is...it probably wont go too high over the level of JFK, which is why this garage shouldn't be too bad.