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Old Posted Oct 24, 2024, 3:49 PM
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I was born and raised in Ottawa and work in the construction industry in London (UK) now so I follow all the construction closely. I check this site and Skyrise Cities Ottawa daily but today Skyrise Cities Ottawa says my IP address has been banned. Anyone else on here not in Canada just had this problem? It is odd because I can access the other Skyrise Cities forums. I would have a UK IP address but that has never been an issue today. At the moment I can't see anything on the Ottawa page because of this issue. Hopefully this is just a temporary issue or if anyone knows any solutions let me know!
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I periodically get banned from my own websites. Seems to be a glitch with the website host.
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I was born and raised in Ottawa and work in the construction industry in London (UK) now so I follow all the construction closely. I check this site and Skyrise Cities Ottawa daily but today Skyrise Cities Ottawa says my IP address has been banned. Anyone else on here not in Canada just had this problem? It is odd because I can access the other Skyrise Cities forums. I would have a UK IP address but that has never been an issue today. At the moment I can't see anything on the Ottawa page because of this issue. Hopefully this is just a temporary issue or if anyone knows any solutions let me know!
I was also unable to access Skyrise this week for a few days. Works now tho!
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2025, 3:40 PM
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What does it take to be Canadian?

At what point does a brand that originated in another country become ‘Canadian’? Can it?

I note that the Province of Saskatchewan has reversed its decision to stop purchasing/distributing/selling 54 ‘American’ alcohol products. These were products that, outwardly, appeared to be ‘American’ branded. However, it turns out that the decision had to be walked-back because the products, although bearing an ‘American’ name, were produced in Canada, with Canadian ingredients.

So, when you buy a Budweiser beer, Busch beer, Miller High Life beer, or even that shot of Southern Comfort, you are buying Canadian – according to the Province of Saskatchewan.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/regina/article/sa...-to-align-approach-with-other-provinces/

Despite the head office of the company that holds the authority for licencing the product names being in the USA, the actual production of the products in in Canada. It seems that ‘A rose by any other name’ is still Canadian, eh.

How far does this stretch? A Walmart (Canada) store is a physical store that was built by Canadians. It was stocked by a Canadian purchasing group (which is why many products differ between Canadian and American stores). And it employs Canadians working in the stores. So, if we shop at a local Walmart, are we shopping Canadian?

The tight integration between Canadian and American has been noted many times since the recent tensions between the two countries began, but there is also a somewhat hidden separation. Is that enough to declare something at ‘Canadian’?
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2025, 4:08 PM
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How far does this stretch? A Walmart (Canada) store is a physical store that was built by Canadians. It was stocked by a Canadian purchasing group (which is why many products differ between Canadian and American stores). And it employs Canadians working in the stores. So, if we shop at a local Walmart, are we shopping Canadian?
That is a question that can apply to many retailers. Home Depot is another similar situation. HBC is actually owned by a US company, in spite of its Canadian pedigree.
You can spin it various ways. If you buy a product at Walmart, a portion of the money you pay stays in Canada. Wages, rent and maintenance cost for the store for instance. More of your money stays in Canada if you buy a Product of Canada at Walmart.
Walmart, and others make a profit on their Canadian operations, and that profit pays dividends to the shareholders, most of whom are in the USA. A portion of what you pay helps maintain the shareholder's profit and ends up in the USA.
It is minefield navigating who owns what and where it is really made. Each of us needs to make our own decision as to how diligent we want to be in seeing that our money stays in Canada to benefit our economy. It takes work to figure out what and where to buy and it is unlikely that we can be completely successful. We will make mistakes. Just do the best you can to help our economy.

Another issue is whether the American owners of the company support Trump. Have they donated money to his election? We know that Musk does and many are boycotting his companies such as Tesla and Starlink and X. Amazon owner, Jeff Bezos has as well. Whole Foods is owned by Amazon, that is, Bezos. Do we want to send money to Trump via Musk and Bezos and others who are known to contribute to his campaigns?

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Old Posted Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 PM
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I agree, completely. And I’m not picking on Walmart; just using it as an example. I could have used Home Depot, just as easily.

Looking at labels is nothing new for me. I used to preferentially shop at Rona, because of its Canadian roots. Now that it is owned by the US firm Sycamore (after Lowe’s sold it at a tremendous loss) Home Hardware Building Centres are my go-to. (Although I have been known to shop at the big US-based stores occasionally, too.)

The extent of the intertwining between Canadian products and those from the US is quite evident when I look at my grocery flyers. There are now little red maple-leaf markers on many of the products that hold ‘American’ names. In fact, I am finding that there are few changes that I have to make to buy Canadian.

And, in the LCBO, it has been easy. I don’t like the taste of California wines; and I’m a Scotch man, not a Bourbon guy.
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I agree, completely. And I’m not picking on Walmart; just using it as an example. I could have used Home Depot, just as easily.

Looking at labels is nothing new for me. I used to preferentially shop at Rona, because of its Canadian roots. Now that it is owned by the US firm Sycamore (after Lowe’s sold it at a tremendous loss) Home Hardware Building Centres are my go-to. (Although I have been known to shop at the big US-based stores occasionally, too.)

The extent of the intertwining between Canadian products and those from the US is quite evident when I look at my grocery flyers. There are now little red maple-leaf markers on many of the products that hold ‘American’ names. In fact, I am finding that there are few changes that I have to make to buy Canadian.

And, in the LCBO, it has been easy. I don’t like the taste of California wines; and I’m a Scotch man, not a Bourbon guy.
It's about where it's made. Profits and HQ jobs are nice especially in the long-term but at this point on exports and imports we need to focus on limiting limiting US imports.
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I agree, completely. And I’m not picking on Walmart; just using it as an example. I could have used Home Depot, just as easily.

Looking at labels is nothing new for me. I used to preferentially shop at Rona, because of its Canadian roots. Now that it is owned by the US firm Sycamore (after Lowe’s sold it at a tremendous loss) Home Hardware Building Centres are my go-to. (Although I have been known to shop at the big US-based stores occasionally, too.)

The extent of the intertwining between Canadian products and those from the US is quite evident when I look at my grocery flyers. There are now little red maple-leaf markers on many of the products that hold ‘American’ names. In fact, I am finding that there are few changes that I have to make to buy Canadian.

And, in the LCBO, it has been easy. I don’t like the taste of California wines; and I’m a Scotch man, not a Bourbon guy.
I've always looked at labels as well and have been doing it even more systematically since this brouhaha started.

It's also become quite clear to me how I was already very Canadian in what I bought at the grocery store, and that that the food sector especially was very homegrown Canadian to begin with. It's quite different for other consumer products I realize, and therefore sometimes more of a challenge to buy Canadian.
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I made an unfortunate discovery yesterday.

Robert Smythe, the creator of Urbsite passed away late last year.

For anyone not aware this is a masterpiece collection of the history of Ottawa buildings past and present and in some cases no longer existing.

https://urbsite.blogspot.com/?view=magazine

I hadn't visited the site in a while and had some potential contributions of some photos and watercolor paintings of the Pepsi building on Belfast going back decades. My father has worked there for 45 years and there is seemingly no limit on the subjects Robert would cover.

Great research and writing. Will be missed.
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I made an unfortunate discovery yesterday.

Robert Smythe, the creator of Urbsite passed away late last year.

For anyone not aware this is a masterpiece collection of the history of Ottawa buildings past and present and in some cases no longer existing.

https://urbsite.blogspot.com/?view=magazine

I hadn't visited the site in a while and had some potential contributions of some photos and watercolor paintings of the Pepsi building on Belfast going back decades. My father has worked there for 45 years and there is seemingly no limit on the subjects Robert would cover.

Great research and writing. Will be missed.
Yes, agreed. I guess you must have missed this thread.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2025, 11:03 PM
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Yes, agreed. I guess you must have missed this thread.
I guess I did.

Sorry to bring up old wounds fellow 'scrapers.

Guy had Pierre Berton level of information retrieval.
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The story behind that Canada logo you see everywhere

The federal government's wordmark is stamped across Ottawa and even made it to outer space. But few know it was designed in one afternoon by a man who was paid a single dollar.

Matteo Cimellaro
Published Jun 23, 2025


The Canada wordmark is ubiquitous in Ottawa. For decades, the logo has been emblazoned on federal buildings and signs, making the presence of the government felt throughout downtown.

And its reach has been far beyond the National Capital Region, as it has bookended government television commercials, become a symbol of Canada abroad, and even made its way into space on the Canadarm of the International Space Station.

Most Ottawa residents would recognize the wordmark, but they might not know how it came to be. It was created in the 1960s by designer Jim Donoahue and adopted by the federal government in 1982 as its “official symbol of government.”

Donoahue died in 2022, but the Ottawa Citizen spoke to those who knew him to tell the story of the wordmark that has become a visual part of Ottawans’ daily lives.

Good strong mark

Donoahue was working for MacLaren Advertising in the 1960s when he was assigned to design a series of tourism advertisements for the federal government. While designing those pieces, he realized that there was no official government logo for the bottom of the ads.

He told his copywriter colleague, Peter Bonner who said “well, do one,” according to Blair Thomson, a graphic designer, historian and archivist.

So he did. In one afternoon, according to Thomson, Donoahue designed what is now known as the Canada wordmark. He used Baskerville typeface, which he was fond of, and he thickened it as it was light and delicate and could fade in smaller reproductions.

The “D” in “Canada” rose like a flagpole, so it was a perfect place for the flag to “fly off,” said his daughter Zoe Donoahue in an interview, echoing her father’s words.

“Good strong mark, a lot of fun,” Jim said of the wordmark in a video recounting its creation.

The wordmark quickly gained recognition as it was used in high-profile centennial events, according to Tracey Headley, director of the communications and federal identity policy at the Treasury Board Secretariat.

In the 1970s, the government used different logos, designs and fonts, which made it “difficult for the public to identify federal department and federal services,” Headley said in an interview.

But then the federal identity program stepped in “to standardize the government of Canada’s corporate identity,” she added, and the federal government eventually adopted Donoahue’s symbol as its official wordmark.



Another day, another dollar

But Donoahue did not receive a cent initially for the work he had done on the wordmark, as it was a byproduct of the advertisement project that had been commissioned, said Thomson.

Thomson said the federal government later sent Donoahue a “nice letter” and a cheque for $1 to “formalize ownership.”

“I’m sure that it’s worth a lot more than that, but it was just the way the process happened,” Thomson added.

The Treasury Board Secretariat couldn’t confirm that the federal government had issued Donoahue a $1 cheque, nor the exact year when the wordmark was created.

But Donoahue’s daughter, Zoe, recalled her father talking about it. She said he was never bothered by receiving a $1 cheque, and that he even “got a kick out of that. He laughed about it for sure.”

She described her father as someone who loved the process and puzzle of design into his 80s and she said the wordmark was one of his greatest prides.

Donoahue’s work on iconic Canadian logos was fairly expansive, having also designed the old emblems for TSN, Global TV and Toronto’s Eaton Centre among others.

Identity building

The 1960s in Canada was a time of identity-building that saw the country’s centennial and Expo 67. This time led to the development of a number of national symbols, including the Canadian flag in 1964, and a Canadian design boom. Several iconic Canadian logos, like those of CBC, the GO Transit and CN Rail, came out of this time.

Thomson, whose website Canadian Modern looks to preserve the rich history of the modern Canadian design movement, said the country’s design can be characterized as “functional,” “clear” and “understandable.”

“It says what it is, but also there’s like this proud, like we’re holding our flag up to say this is who we are, elbows up,” said Thomson, who also manages a physical archive of Canadian graphic design.

Over the years, Thomson has met with the lead designers of the era, including Donoahue, learning what he could from them and preserving that knowledge.

Is it time for a revamp?

In 2000, a survey conducted by Angus Reid Group on behalf of the federal government found that 85 per cent of Canadians agreed that seeing the wordmark made them “feel proud to be Canadian.” The report found that “there is overwhelming support for the continued use of the Canada wordmark as the Government of Canada’s brand identifier.”

The report also found that the wordmark gave credibility to information shared by the federal government.

In more recent reports conducted by the Strategic Council, a public opinion research firm, for the Privy Council Office from 2023 and 2024, the Canada wordmark continued to be associated with trusted, unbiased and official information.

In a November 2023 report, every member of four focus groups from different regions found that the wordmark was recognizable and several participants also said it evoked feelings of national pride.

In another study conducted between December 2023 and January 2024, every member of a focus group recognized the symbol and many believed it represented the federal government. When asked how they typically determine if information comes from the federal government, many described a logo that sounded like the wordmark.

“In an era of increasing misinformation and disinformation, a symbol like the Canada wordmark ensures that the public can have confidence that the information they are receiving is in fact coming from the government of Canada,” Headley said.

Revamping the wordmark is a non-starter for Thomson. He said recreating the wordmark would be the “Holy Grail” of projects, but that it would be unnecessary.

For Thomson, the wordmark is special in its timelessness and symbolism of Canadian identity. He said it represents “all the positives of Canada” and that it’s “not trying to do more than it needs to.”

“It’s not like it feels outdated or it feels wrong or feels like it doesn’t tell the right story, or it feels inappropriate,” Thomson said. “I think it feels wholly appropriate, and it’s so consistently used, it’s just become omnipresent.”

Zoe Donoahue agreed that the wordmark is timeless.

“I can’t imagine you would want anything fussy or ornate,” she said. “I just think it’s so clear.”

She said she is just grateful that so much of her father’s work still survives today.

“It’s really special to us to be able to see his marks still out in the world,” she said. “I know that would really mean a lot to him, and it means a lot to us as well.”

https://ottawasun.com/public-service/canada-logo-federal-government
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NYC just showed how hairy municipal politics can be. The Democratic Party just held its primary for its candidate for mayor of NYC. Former NY state governor Cuomo was the favourite. He attracted a lot of donations to his war chest. He was defeated by a 33 year old Muslim who is an avowed socialist. He spoke of free public transit. He wants to establish government run non-profit grocery stores to combat the price of food.
What a rebuke to the Democratic Party establishment! This result seems completely out of step with the current trends in American society. How does one explain it?
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NYC just showed how hairy municipal politics can be. The Democratic Party just held its primary for its candidate for mayor of NYC. Former NY state governor Cuomo was the favourite. He attracted a lot of donations to his war chest. He was defeated by a 33 year old Muslim who is an avowed socialist. He spoke of free public transit. He wants to establish government run non-profit grocery stores to combat the price of food.
What a rebuke to the Democratic Party establishment! This result seems completely out of step with the current trends in American society. How does one explain it?
It's completely in step. There wasn't a wholescale move to the right. There was a rejection of the establishment by low information voters. A rejection of woke by centrists and a rejection of the status quo by everyone. There is also a rebound on the left against Trump and centrism that was the driving force in his campaign. It's also a continuation of the immaturity of the American electorate who are easily distracted by unrealistic shiny objects that can rescue them from their own poor financial decisions. Tariffs or state owned grocery stores being equally ridiculous.
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PM Carney is at a NATO conference. He just agreed to meet a NATO goal of 5% of GDP spent on Defence by the year 2035. It may be the right and necessary thing to do , but will come at an enormous cost increase.
We will pay for both Liberal and Conservative governments having neglected defence for decades.
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PM Carney is at a NATO conference. He just agreed to meet a NATO goal of 5% of GDP spent on Defence by the year 2035. It may be the right and necessary thing to do , but will come at an enormous cost increase.
We will pay for both Liberal and Conservative governments having neglected defence for decades.
First of all I will give you 10-1 odds on any amount of money we aren't spending 5% of GDP on defence in 2035 or ever outside of a full scale war.

Secondly, not spending over the past 20 years means we have a lot less debt and therefore are more able to invest not less able to invest now. It's the spending that matters not the increase. It's not like you didn't paint your house for 20 years. It's more like you didn't heat your pool for 20 years and now you are committing to heating it even in the dead of winter.
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It's completely in step. There wasn't a wholescale move to the right. There was a rejection of the establishment by low information voters. A rejection of woke by centrists and a rejection of the status quo by everyone. There is also a rebound on the left against Trump and centrism that was the driving force in his campaign. It's also a continuation of the immaturity of the American electorate who are easily distracted by unrealistic shiny objects that can rescue them from their own poor financial decisions. Tariffs or state owned grocery stores being equally ridiculous.
As good an explanation as anyone is likely to come up with.
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First of all I will give you 10-1 odds on any amount of money we aren't spending 5% of GDP on defence in 2035 or ever outside of a full scale war.

Secondly, not spending over the past 20 years means we have a lot less debt and therefore are more able to invest not less able to invest now. It's the spending that matters not the increase. It's not like you didn't paint your house for 20 years. It's more like you didn't heat your pool for 20 years and now you are committing to heating it even in the dead of winter.
My understanding from an article I came across yesterday that part of our spending percentage could be accounted for by mining "essential minerals" in some type of trade deal with our allies.
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It's completely in step. There wasn't a wholescale move to the right. There was a rejection of the establishment by low information voters. A rejection of woke by centrists and a rejection of the status quo by everyone. There is also a rebound on the left against Trump and centrism that was the driving force in his campaign. It's also a continuation of the immaturity of the American electorate who are easily distracted by unrealistic shiny objects that can rescue them from their own poor financial decisions. Tariffs or state owned grocery stores being equally ridiculous.
It's not just Americans distracted by unrealistic shiny objects. Look no further than our own backyards.
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