1081 Carling Ave | 57+89m | 16+27f | Approved

[Kelnoz]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I haven't, but I just ran that location through PhotoPills, and the building would only cast a shadow on one field from around 6-9pm in the early summer so far as I can tell.

It's damn hard to cast much of a shadow to the South in Canada

[Ottawacurious]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I haven't, but I just ran that location through PhotoPills, and the building would only cast a shadow on one field from around 6-9pm in the early summer so far as I can tell.

There's an image in the article: http://kitchissippiward.ca/content/1081-carling-heading-committee

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by Ottawacurious

There's an image in the article: http://kitchissippiward.ca/content/1081-carling-heading-committee

It looks like this corroborates my theory that one field is notably affected in the evening in the early-mid summer. I'm an advocate of moving important experimental agriculture outside of the core of a region fast coming up to 2 million people, so I am a little biased, but I think the experimental farm will probably survive If this little stumpy tower is built as planned.

[skyscraperaccount]

Perhaps the developer can provide grow lights and generators to all the NIMBYs that can then stand in the field for 2hours per night for one month in June each year and shine their lights upon the vast fields.

[Dzingle Bells]

Linking it here for all to see



I went to the community association's annual meeting where this was discussed. It was shocking to see how angry people were getting about this. @qprcanada maybe you and I should start a local neighbourhood group supporting this

I will leave my thoughts on the Experimental Farm out of this discussion for now but the City/Agriculture Canada need to figure out how they are going to handle development along Carling. With an LRT planned for this corridor, this is only the first of what will be many tall buildings proposed along Carling near the farm. The City's OP directs density here so if Agriculture Canada doesn't like that, they should have spoken up during the OP review.

Also, the community association said that they will appeal to the OLT. They have a lawyer and the funds raised to support the appeal.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Dzingle Bells

Also, the community association said that they will appeal to the OLT. They have a lawyer and the funds raised to support the appeal.

Good luck with that.

[Harley613]

How much nourishment do plants take from the sun between 6-9pm for a couple weeks in peak summer I wonder? I'm no scientist, but it looks like around an acre or less might be affected and only during those times.

This is the most 'Ottawa' situation I could imagine ������

[Ottawacurious]

Originally Posted by Harley613

How much nourishment do plants take from the sun between 6-9pm for a couple weeks in peak summer I wonder? I'm no scientist, but it looks like around an acre or less might be affected and only during those times.

This is the most 'Ottawa' situation I could imagine ������

From the article: Bold is my highlight. I agree with what Jeff is saying and I also agree with the above comment. How much does this matter? In science, you try to control all the variables and it makes it tougher when a new variable is added to the mix. How significant it is? To us uninformed folks, it seems pretty minor. To the scientists at the farm, doesn't seem to be minor for them. So, we say 'adjust', and they say 'we have 150 years of history in this specific field, it's not that as simple as adjusting'. How important is that specific research when where they plant will have other variables? I don't really buy the farms logic of significance either despite personally having a dairy farm background. Trees will grow around farmers fields. Shadows are a thing. Add it to your study and say "impact of shadows on growth patterns of soybeans".

"I have also pasted a screen shot showing modeling by Agriculture Canada demonstrating the reduced minutes of sunlight (including red spectrum light that is particularly important to the process of photosynthesis and that is more abundant when the sun is at a more oblique angle later in the day: it is helpful to know that there are 260,000 minutes of sunlight in an Ottawa growing season, not accounting for cloudy days).

The concerns are legitimate. As I understand the issue, plantings are not uniform throughout the fields in question: different varieties are planted within discrete small plots. If the sun moves across a field in a way that results in different levels of spectrum across varieties, it will be challenging to isolate the variables in determining which varieties are best achieving the desired scientific outcomes.

Bluntly, I believe that bigger concern being expressed is the future of the Farm. If the different levels of light can’t be accounted for through a regression analysis, the fields here are not at least so unique as to eliminate the potential to do the same research elsewhere. But as has been expressed to me, if the Farm’s research potential is nibbled away at how long will it be before its utility as a living lab is gone? When that day comes would the Farm simply be sold off for development? These are not wild-eyed questions. They are though, I believe, premature: even if the Taggart proposal is allowed to proceed it’s by no means inevitable that it will result in loss of the Farm"

[Harley613]

Cool, thanks for finding and highlighting that!

[danishh]

is the farm itself objecting in any way to this building or is it just residents using the farm as an excuse for their nimbyism?

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by danishh

is the farm itself objecting in any way to this building or is it just residents using the farm as an excuse for their nimbyism?

This reminds me of when the Glebeites who fought tooth and nail to keep Boston Pizza out of the neighborhood because it was a chain restaurant, and who fought tooth and nail against having a 'box mall' in their neighborhood, all of a sudden had major concerns for the shadows Lansdowne 2.0 would cause on the Joey and Local patios. To the point that they made a styrofoam model to show patrons walking up to those patios what it would be like.

Ottawa NIMBY/BANANAs will load their gun with any ammunition they can find.

[Ottawacurious]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Ottawa NIMBY/BANANAs will load their gun with any ammunition they can find.

Speaking of which, they've started a campaign on change.org.

For added pleasure, there's a comment section. 😀

[McKellarDweller]

To avoid getting angry, I will avoid clicking that link ^!
No doubt a bunch of losers whining.

[DTcrawler]

Originally Posted by McKellarDweller

To avoid getting angry, I will avoid clicking that link ^!
No doubt a bunch of losers whining.

I should've followed your advice lol. There were lots of rage-inducing comments but this one I found simply hilarious:

I am tired of seeing too high buildings in residential areas. These buildings don’t belong here

That's a new one... residential buildings don't belong in residential areas, interesting take!

And then there's the photo they decided to use... I guess two towers are going to turn Ottawa into a scene from a zombie apocalypse movie!

In all seriousness, it's downright absurd that these people's opinions get taken into consideration. They put about as much thought behind their arguments as my two year old nephew would.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by DTcrawler

I should've followed your advice lol. There were lots of rage-inducing comments but this one I found simply hilarious:



That's a new one... residential buildings don't belong in residential areas, interesting take!

And then there's the photo they decided to use... I guess two towers are going to turn Ottawa into a scene from a zombie apocalypse movie!

In all seriousness, it's downright absurd that these people's opinions get taken into consideration. They put about as much thought behind their arguments as my two year old nephew would.

Do these people notice the hundreds of existing tall buildings scattered across the Ottawa region? I would really like to know.

[J.OT13]

My God, they're not helping their case with this dramatized cover image. Present some real arguments backed up by facts. This is common these days, especially in the political arena.

[Corey1981]

I really don't understand this aversion to shade. For the first time in my life I finally have a deck in my backyard with a nice patio set and the 10' wide umbrella I bought still barely shades enough of the area I'd like it to. I'd kill for more shade.

[Dzingle Bells]

Originally Posted by Corey1981

I really don't understand this aversion to shade. For the first time in my life I finally have a deck in my backyard with a nice patio set and the 10' wide umbrella I bought still barely shades enough of the area I'd like it to. I'd kill for more shade.

Because it's not actually about the shade...

[Harley613]

It's gross how they act like they would be the first neighborhood in Ottawa to have a 20 something story building next to homes. Very entitled and smarmy.

[qprcanada]

They're in for another nasty surprise when in the future the old Civic Campus gets redeveloped