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Yes. Slide 12 in this deck:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/9...Nov-2022-C2P3-Conference-Toronto_1_1.pdf



To be fair, I dunno if this a pledge to improve service or this will be the preferred HFR West corridor. There's discussions among rail nerds. Personally, I think skipping the airport and a major tech hub (KWC) would be unthinkable. But governments make lots of dumb decisions. So....
They certainly do..

Thanks for the info.
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Is it finally Fall 2021?

https://www.transportaction.ca/national-...t-moving-forward-on-high-frequency-rail/

Hopefully the 1.5 year delay (more depending on how you see it) will at least result in a HSR solution.
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Is it finally Fall 2021?

https://www.transportaction.ca/national-...t-moving-forward-on-high-frequency-rail/

Hopefully the 1.5 year delay (more depending on how you see it) will at least result in a HSR solution.
It wasn't a 1.5 year delay, it was a 6 month delay until start of procurement. The Request for Expressions of Interest was released in March 2022.

Federal procurement is ridiculously slow, but this was (approximately) the schedule from the start.
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Stumbled across this video of VIA rail’s proposed HFR project….

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How it's done properly. I'm jealous... makes me want to live in Europe.

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How one European country is planning a ‘rail revolution’
Ben Jones, CNN
Published 7:25 AM EDT, Tue March 28, 2023


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https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/tgv-m-france-rail-revolution/index.html
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How it's done properly. I'm jealous... makes me want to live in Europe.
A Country that already has amazing rail wants to invest even more. Meanwhile, we took a decade debating a comparatively marginal improvement to our system, and it could still get killed by a new Government.
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A Country that already has amazing rail wants to invest even more. Meanwhile, we took a decade debating a comparatively marginal improvement to our system, and it could still get killed by a new Government.
Success breeds success. When people have access to fast, frequent, reliable trains, they want more. When the population have only seen slow, infrequent, unreliable trains, they don't understand the benefits.

We also suffer from a "how will this benefit me" attitude. Although half the population could benefit from improved rail service in the Windsor-Quebec City corridor (even if they don't beleive it), by definition, that means half the population wouldn't benefit from it, so it isn't a priority.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2023, 2:43 AM
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Study Finds High-Speed Rail Increases Happiness
The study found Chinese people were two percent happier on average living near high-speed rail, but I’d be one million percent happier if we just had one in the United States.

By Aaron Gordon, Vice
April 11, 2023, 9:00am


I live near a portion of the New York City subway that goes under an overpass. Every once in a while, I’ll see a child perched atop its parent’s shoulders, peering through the chain-linked fence as the train passes underneath. More often than not, this child is beaming with delight, because they understand the simple fact that many adults grow up and repress. The fact is that trains rule. Once upon a time, that child may have been dissuaded from liking trains once they became a teen or young adult. But now there is a rich online community of millions of railfans around the world to nurture that joy for that child’s entire life if they so choose.

However, it is clear that none of those millions of railfans were among the sample of 28,646 Chinese people considered in a recent study of whether high-speed rail causes happiness. That study found the answer was a very limited yes. It can increase happiness, especially for people who live in regional capitals, rural areas, men and the elderly, but only by an increase of .076 on the happiness scale of one to five. To put it another way, as the study does, “The coefficient accounts for 1.997 percent of the mean of happiness.” This is statistically significant, in the strict definition of whether results are due to chance, and therefore a publishable scientific finding. But it is hardly meaningful in terms of how much high speed rail influences the happiness of Chinese people. I mean, come on. Two measly percent?

As someone who lives in a non-high-speed-rail-having country, I can affirmatively state that not having high speed rail blows. I can further state with a scientific degree of certainty I am more than two percent unhappier living in a country without any high speed rail. On some days, such as last week when I was contemplating taking the train from New York to Montreal—a 375-mile, six hour drive that takes 11 hours by train—I was roughly 78 percent unhappier due to the lack of high speed rail. On other days, when I simply contemplate the deplorable state of American rail infrastructure, which I do a lot because it is my job, I am merely low-level peeved about it. Let’s call it eight percent unhappier. As I write this, I have worked myself up over the matter and will need to go outside during my lunch break to calm down, and so am probably floating around 25 percent unhappier.

And if I actually had high speed rail? Whoa boy. It’s scary to even contemplate how happy I would be. My job and my bank balance would cease to matter to me except insofar as I could purchase high speed rail tickets. I’d be like the kids watching the subway from the overpass, grinning like an idiot every time a train whizzes by at 180 mph or more, getting blown over by the gale force winds created by its air displacement, lying on the ground and whooping with pleasure.

In the “policy implications” section, the study authors pose a tantalizing question: “What is the significance of economic growth if it cannot effectively improve residents’ happiness?” While the two percent happiness finding may be marginal, they’re at least asking the right questions.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88xaw4/study-finds-high-speed-rail-increases-happiness
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History: "In 1968, CN Rail debuted the TurboTrain..."
(from blogto, Chris Bateman, Posted on August 02, 2020)
https://www.blogto.com/city/2012/09/a_brief_history_of_torontos_high-speed_turbotrain/
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RFQ closed last week on Monday. We'll find out who qualified in July. RFP to follow in August/September.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2023, 8:48 PM
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Hydrogen powered train in canada

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Good Day.

yep..... and it could have been us, on the Trillium Line upgrade several years ago, running diesel Lint trains already - a HUGE lost opportunity for OC-T, Ottawa, and Canada.

Watson could have easily proven his green BS was not so BS, but....... DUH !

And it is not like they were not aware - I told the Transit chair, Transportation chair, Fleury, and Watson. ......=crickets=.......

I was, and am, NOT a happy camper !

Nov 09, 2016 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7616940&highlight=iLint#post7616940
Nov 30, 2017 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8002567&highlight=hydrogen#post8002567
May 05, 2018 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8177591&highlight=hydrogen#post8177591
Aug 30, 2019 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8673994&highlight=hydrogen#post8673994
Mar 05, 2021 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9207869&highlight=hydrogen#post9207869

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Good Day.

yep..... and it could have been us, on the Trillium Line upgrade several years ago, running diesel Lint trains already - a HUGE lost opportunity for OC-T, Ottawa, and Canada.

Watson could have easily proven his green BS was not so BS, but....... DUH !

And it is not like they were not aware - I told the Transit chair, Transportation chair, Fleury, and Watson. ......=crickets=.......

I was, and am, NOT a happy camper !

Nov 09, 2016 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7616940&highlight=iLint#post7616940
Nov 30, 2017 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8002567&highlight=hydrogen#post8002567
May 05, 2018 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8177591&highlight=hydrogen#post8177591
Aug 30, 2019 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8673994&highlight=hydrogen#post8673994
Mar 05, 2021 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9207869&highlight=hydrogen#post9207869

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Unfortunate. Sorry, wish your voice was heard. It would have been nice.
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Good Day.

yep..... and it could have been us, on the Trillium Line upgrade several years ago, running diesel Lint trains already - a HUGE lost opportunity for OC-T, Ottawa, and Canada.

Watson could have easily proven his green BS was not so BS, but....... DUH !

And it is not like they were not aware - I told the Transit chair, Transportation chair, Fleury, and Watson. ......=crickets=.......

I was, and am, NOT a happy camper !

Nov 09, 2016 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7616940&highlight=iLint#post7616940
Nov 30, 2017 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8002567&highlight=hydrogen#post8002567
May 05, 2018 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8177591&highlight=hydrogen#post8177591
Aug 30, 2019 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8673994&highlight=hydrogen#post8673994
Mar 05, 2021 : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9207869&highlight=hydrogen#post9207869

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I am not convinced that hydrogen makes sense for the Trillium line. Hydrogen is significantly more expensive than diesel (and always will be unless the carbon tax increses by several orders of magnitude), and vastly more expensive than electricity (and will never be less than twice as expensive).

With the short distances involved, batteries would be much more economical (with charging at the terminal stations, where dwell times are longest), if we can't justify electrifying the line.
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I am not convinced that hydrogen makes sense for the Trillium line. Hydrogen is significantly more expensive than diesel (and always will be unless the carbon tax increses by several orders of magnitude), and vastly more expensive than electricity (and will never be less than twice as expensive).

With the short distances involved, batteries would be much more economical (with charging at the terminal stations, where dwell times are longest), if we can't justify electrifying the line.
Good Day.

Could well be - I have no numbers, and back then it was early days for the iLint, which was what I had been advocating - a test bed for Alstom, who probably would have jumped at subsidizing a trial, as would have the Feds (IMHO).

I still have a problem with the massive behind-the-scenes environmental impact of batteries though. Just my opinion / bias.

A proper evaluation was the concept. Never came to pass.

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I still have a problem with the massive behind-the-scenes environmental impact of batteries though. Just my opinion / bias.
That's definitely bias. It's not like fuel cells are low environmental impact on the mining front. And Ontario has a fairly low emissions electricity system. Compare that to using hydrogen that would be derived from natural gas.

From a strictly transit operation point of view, battery trains are also easier and more reliable to operate.
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That's definitely bias. It's not like fuel cells are low environmental impact on the mining front. And Ontario has a fairly low emissions electricity system. Compare that to using hydrogen that would be derived from natural gas.

From a strictly transit operation point of view, battery trains are also easier and more reliable to operate.
Good Day.

Fair enough, but I would think that the Ontario / B.C. company producing the cells has had to go down this road. and justify their impact.
Battery technologies just kinda grew helter skelter, and we are seeing more and more of the impact as time progresses, along with the economics of geopolitics.

That same energy system can go to green hydrogen production - no real need for the natural gas option if properly configured / installed / operated.

Reliability of battery systems could well be - again I have no numbers.
This is what a proper trial is meant to prove out.
But unfortunately - to be a bit nasty - there have been several widely reported difficulties with various manufacturers' battery systems in cars and suvs lately, as the technology ages into more massive production and matures.
True - this is cars and suvs, where they are trying to reduce costs and margins to an extreme, but still.....

Good discussion, but I am open to having it move elsewhere than the VIA thread if anyone wishes to suggest where.

EDIT: Continued in Trilium Line : https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225761&page=161

Thx.

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HFR consortia that qualified for RFP stage have been announced.

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Government of Canada announces the groups that will be able to submit a proposal for the High Frequency Rail project

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The following groups have been invited to move to the Request for Proposals (RFP) stage:

Cadence (CDPQ Infra, SNC-Lavalin, Systra Canada, Keolis Canada)
Intercity Rail Developers (Intercity Development Partners, EllisDon Capital, Kilmer Transportation, First Rail Holdings, Jacobs, Hatch, CIMA+, First Group, RATP Dev Canada, Renfe Operadora)
QConnexiON Rail Partners (Fengate, John Laing, Bechtel, WSP Canada, Deutsche Bahn)
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/go...gh-frequency-rail-project-836641059.html
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