Residential Real Estate in your city

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

How so? Is it just going to be a parking lot? Portland has an extensive light rail network (that actually functions and is not just for show). Nashville has? The Music City Express?

Numerous bus and rail initiatives have failed at the polls in Nashville. But the city has the advantage of minimal NIMBYism in and near the downtown, since there are tons of low-rise auto dealership-type buildings and seas of parking lots that nobody is irrationally protecting.

Everything inside the black outline is accounted for and will be the site of 4-6 story apartments if not hi-rises in the next 10-20 years, assuming that current trends continue.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I recognize that these infill neighborhoods are extremely popular, but I don't get it. It's very weird to me.

There are real urban neighborhoods in thriving metros rotting away. It's not like you have to move to Youngstown or Gary. But people who espouse urbanist preferences often seem to choose living in some weird infill home in a sketchy shotgun shack neighborhood, often with no curbs or sidewalks and with rural-style drainage ditches.

The only sunbelt city I've visited that seems to be densifying in an authentically urban way is ITP Atlanta. It's still scattershot but in each "zone" there is true walkable density being built...the various zones just don't all connect (yet). I haven't been to Greenville but that could also be a contender from what I understand.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

Numerous bus and rail initiatives have failed at the polls in Nashville. But the city has the advantage of minimal NIMBYism in and near the downtown, since there are tons of low-rise auto dealership-type buildings and seas of parking lots that nobody is irrationally protecting.

Everything inside the black outline is accounted for and will be the site of 4-6 story apartments if not hi-rises in the next 10-20 years, assuming that current trends continue.

Well at some point that momentum will collapse on itself if there are no mobility options outside of a car.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

The only sunbelt city I've visited that seems to be densifying in an authentically urban way is ITP Atlanta. It's still scattershot but in each "zone" there is true walkable density being built...the various zones just don't all connect (yet). I haven't been to Greenville but that could also be a contender from what I understand.

I'm often pretty critical of Atlanta, but it's hard to imagine that they've done something there worse than that lol. I think Austin and Charlotte build density much better than Atlanta, though.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Well at some point that momentum will collapse on itself if there are no mobility options outside of a car.

I agree and wasted air arguing with people on this site in support of the big light rail subway plan that failed at the polls back in 2019.

I have heard that symphony patrons are complaining because it's become too difficult to reach the symphony hall that opened around 2007 and too much of a chore to exit. When it was built, the thing was on the lunatic fringe of downtown. Now it's surrounded by a forest of hotels and tourist chaos.

[cabasse]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

I'm often pretty critical of Atlanta, but it's hard to imagine that they've done something there worse than that lol. I think Austin and Charlotte build density much better than Atlanta, though.

things are changing quickly in all three of these places, and google maps is having a hard time keeping up. i'd love to hear your reasons why you think austin and especially charlotte are building density better than atlanta though. i think the numbers tell a different story, but i'm just trying not to be a homer here.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by cabasse

things are changing quickly in all three of these places, and google maps is having a hard time keeping up. i'd love to hear your reasons why you think austin and especially charlotte are building density better than atlanta though. i think the numbers tell a different story, but i'm just trying not to be a homer here.

It's a bizarre comment.

There are a lot of authentically walkable neighborhoods inside the perimeter.

Midtown, of course, but also West Midtown, Atlantic Station, East Atlanta Village, the Old 4th Ward, Inman Park, Little Five Points, Buckhead Village.

All of these places are walkable. You can't necessarily get between them on foot but there is authentic critical mass within each one of them.

Of course, Atlanta also has Marta rail which is not perfect but lightyears ahead of others in this peer group. And also a valid way to get around at least the in town neighborhoods.

[SteveD]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

It's a bizarre comment.

There are a lot of authentically walkable neighborhoods inside the perimeter.

Midtown, of course, but also West Midtown, Atlantic Station, East Atlanta Village, the Old 4th Ward, Inman Park, Little Five Points, Buckhead Village.

All of these places are walkable. You can't necessarily get between them on foot but there is authentic critical mass within each one of them.

Of course, Atlanta also has Marta rail which is not perfect but lightyears ahead of others in this peer group. And also a valid way to get around at least the in town neighborhoods.

^ this. No comparison. Atlanta has LOTS of walkable in town neighborhoods...I live in one of them! We walk everywhere! Charlotte is several decades behind Atlanta and Nashville is (IMHO) a hot mess, at least right now.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by SteveD

^ this. No comparison. Atlanta has LOTS of walkable in town neighborhoods...I live in one of them! We walk everywhere! Charlotte is several decades behind Atlanta and Nashville is (IMHO) a hot mess, at least right now.

Nashville's first-ring suburbs often lack curbs, sidewalks, etc. Even with single-family houses being replaced by 2-6 attached townhouses, there still isn't enough density (or bus service) to get people out of their cars.

The area in the black outline is different. Since there is no loop highway, no secondary area is competing with it for hotels, offices, and high-end multifamily.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by cabasse

things are changing quickly in all three of these places, and google maps is having a hard time keeping up. i'd love to hear your reasons why you think austin and especially charlotte are building density better than atlanta though. i think the numbers tell a different story, but i'm just trying not to be a homer here.

Atlanta density can be disproportionately car oriented, IMO. Obviously Atlanta is a much larger metro so it has more examples of density than those other places. That said, I wouldn't consider any of them to be the holy grail of urban planning.

[cabasse]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Atlanta density can be disproportionately car oriented, IMO. Obviously Atlanta is a much larger metro so it has more examples of density than those other places. That said, I wouldn't consider any of them to be the holy grail of urban planning.

well of course not, but i don't think anyone claims that. i'm just curious what you were referring to that these smaller cities were doing better. austin is building up quite impressively, albeit with the same kinds of parking podiums we're seeing here in midtown; uptown charlotte is much the same.

i don't see the same kinds of pockets of density sprouting up outside the core, like what's happening in

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

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old 4th ward and

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

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west midtown, also happening in austin or charlotte. (perhaps south end is turning into an early version of charlotte's 'midtown') not to mention the legacy urbanism that was built pre-1940 outside the cores of these cities.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by cabasse

well of course not, but i don't think anyone claims that. i'm just curious what you were referring to that these smaller cities were doing better. austin is building up quite impressively, albeit with the same kinds of parking podiums we're seeing here in midtown; uptown charlotte is much the same.

i don't see the same kinds of pockets of density sprouting up outside the core, like what's happening in

old 4th ward and

west midtown, also happening in austin or charlotte. (perhaps south end is turning into an early version of charlotte's 'midtown') not to mention the legacy urbanism that was built pre-1940 outside the cores of these cities.

Austin and Charlotte don't seem to have much in the way of dense car-oriented stuff like this: https://goo.gl/maps/4xkvGtvJD5TZ4GYZ8

[Crawford]

I'm pretty sure Charlotte has some of that stuff, just not the same volume as Atlanta. They have a corridor that feels sorta like Midtown-Buckhead corridor (to be crude, kind of the white, wealthier, urban-suburban hybrid favored quarter). I don't remember the neighborhood name or location, but it definitely has a Buckhead mini-me feel.

Nashville sorta does too, south of downtown around Vanderbilt, but not quite as developed as Charlotte. Nashville didn't do the crazy Sunbelt boomtown stuff until relatively recently.

Nashville also just generally has a different vibe than Atlanta or Charlotte (IMO). Charlotte, to my Northerner eyes, feels like an Atlanta mini-me, Nashville is kind of its own thing. Birmingham reminds me a bit of Nashville, though obviously blacker and way less booming. But the steep hills, the deep Christian influence, the mid-south vibe.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I'm pretty sure Charlotte has some of that stuff, just not the same volume as Atlanta. They have a corridor that feels sorta like Midtown-Buckhead corridor (to be crude, kind of the white, wealthier, urban-suburban hybrid favored quarter). I don't remember the neighborhood name or location, but it definitely has a Buckhead mini-me feel.

Nashville sorta does too, south of downtown around Vanderbilt, but not quite as developed as Charlotte. Nashville didn't do the crazy Sunbelt boomtown stuff until relatively recently.

Nashville also just generally has a different vibe than Atlanta or Charlotte (IMO). Charlotte, to my Northerner eyes, feels like an Atlanta mini-me, Nashville is kind of its own thing. Birmingham reminds me a bit of Nashville, though obviously blacker and way less booming. But the steep hills, the deep Christian influence, the mid-south vibe.

to your northerner googling eyes.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Austin and Charlotte don't seem to have much in the way of dense car-oriented stuff like this: https://goo.gl/maps/4xkvGtvJD5TZ4GYZ8

that is just freaking awful density. zero retail?? and this stuff is new too, so there is no excuse not to make it more neighborly and livable instead of dystopian. ugh, no thx.

we had a friend move around that recently after a breakup. she seems to be liking it, but i dk. i think because she is liking exploring around atlanta mostly. we'll see how it goes.

[SteveD]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

that is just freaking awful density. zero retail?? and this stuff is new too, so there is no excuse not to make it more neighborly and livable instead of dystopian. ugh, no thx.

we had a friend move around that recently after a breakup. she seems to be liking it, but i dk. i think because she is liking exploring around atlanta mostly. we'll see how it goes.

There's an enormous amount of retail in a 3 to 5 minute walk from there. Absolutely enormous. As in one of the largest retail districts in the southeast.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Nashville also just generally has a different vibe

It's the hats.

Louisville pretends that it's Derby Day every day, with flamboyant hats available at the convention center and elsewhere.

Nashville has absurdly convinced tourists that cattle ranches lurk nearby.

Atlanta and Charlotte don't have hats.

[38 Geary]

Originally Posted by SteveD

There's an enormous amount of retail in a 3 to 5 minute walk from there. Absolutely enormous. As in one of the largest retail districts in the southeast.

Even if it is a 3-5 min walk, no one is walking to there.

Check it out:
https://goo.gl/maps/oQpGRELfbQhCVwiy5
https://goo.gl/maps/EZJxF1KCnq1QtzYu7
https://goo.gl/maps/4uEktxKtq2C8GgLc9
https://goo.gl/maps/UJzRaxaKHuXA3QMi8

[cabasse]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

that is just freaking awful density. zero retail?? and this stuff is new too, so there is no excuse not to make it more neighborly and livable instead of dystopian. ugh, no thx.

we had a friend move around that recently after a breakup. she seems to be liking it, but i dk. i think because she is liking exploring around atlanta mostly. we'll see how it goes.

yeah, this area is completely a missed opportunity. all of the recent (last 10yrs) density built around lindbergh is also a missed opportunity, and even uglier in built form. buckhead (lenox) has all of the tall buildings, but buckhead (village) is where the walkability is. (unfortunately with the closest marta station being a good 10-15 walk)

https://goo.gl/maps/oGh4NknvtUopYoPc7
https://goo.gl/maps/fRJ1RBqhUjv48ZTQ9
https://goo.gl/maps/me5CZNGMUnAozcEd6

[SteveD]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Even if it is a 3-5 min walk, no one is walking to there.

Check it out:
https://goo.gl/maps/oQpGRELfbQhCVwiy5
https://goo.gl/maps/EZJxF1KCnq1QtzYu7
https://goo.gl/maps/4uEktxKtq2C8GgLc9
https://goo.gl/maps/UJzRaxaKHuXA3QMi8

I sure wouldn't live there...I'll take my EAV any day of the week. I just wasn't surprised to not have that street lined with retail with so MUCH retail immediately adjacent.