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[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by moorhosj1

Complete strawman arguments. This has nothing to do with CPS (a weekend night) or Johnson (hasn't been sworn in yet). You are making excuses for the police. They have the budget and police were in the vicinity (as proven by the articles posted).

Comments like your just help give CPD cover. You complain about how nobody gets "blamed" then do everything you can to avoid calling out CPD.

I blame 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 criminals for their actions. I blame Lori Lightfoot for not getting tough on 🞵🞵🞵🞵 like this. I blame BJ for his nonsensical comments about rioting criminals. People like Johnson and his supporters would be screaming 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 murder if police touched one of these kids, who had nothing better to do than riot and attack innocent people.

And the same morons that would be screaming about police being tough on rioting kids never get angry about the $9.4 billion $30K/kid per year we waste on CPS. That is the cost of 4 years for 1 kid at a Catholic school.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Yes some bystander was able to help but the cpd are apparently too shaken off by the mayor's election to do their job (and they'd have just found another excuse if Vallas won, they've been doing this since Emmanuel). Hope all then MAGAts make good on their promise to quit, it's not like they're doing anything useful anyways and maybe they can be replaced by cops who give a 🞵🞵🞵🞵.

They won’t be replaced at all or the new police will be worse and more like the Memphis ones, and people will complain why police never show up.

Sorry, but policing ain’t Hollywood. Nobody’s hopping out of a vehicle to battle Mano a Mano with a mob, unless we’re all eager for stampedes, tear gas, dead teenagers and police shootings. The police line is the main tactic that controls and ends a riot.

It’s unfortunate for the couple, but the cold hard reality is that victims are at the mercy of the mob until the line forms and the crowd disperses.

That’s why I beat the drum for a dedicated Loop police force and decisive punishments for all participants. Mobs can turn into mass casualty situations within seconds, and the police response is absolutely cold-blooded.

[moorhosj1]

Originally Posted by galleyfox

Sorry, but policing ain’t Hollywood. Nobody’s hopping out of a vehicle to battle Mano a Mano with a mob, unless we’re all eager for stampedes, tear gas, dead teenagers and police shootings. The police line is the main tactic that controls and ends a riot.

The article is about an unarmed woman who literally stepped in an saved people while the police did nothing. She didn't have to fight them mano a mano because she was able to de-escalate the situation. Maybe we should have her train the police?

[moorhosj1]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

I blame 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 criminals for their actions. I blame Lori Lightfoot for not getting tough on 🞵🞵🞵🞵 like this. I blame BJ for his nonsensical comments about rioting criminals. People like Johnson and his supporters would be screaming 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 murder if police touched one of these kids, who had nothing better to do than riot and attack innocent people.

And the same morons that would be screaming about police being tough on rioting kids never get angry about the $9.4 billion $30K/kid per year we waste on CPS. That is the cost of 4 years for 1 kid at a Catholic school.

More strawmen about "the same morons", "people like Johnson and his supporters", and a made up scenario about the fallout if the police actually did something.

Sure, all of these people deserve some blame (except Johnson, he hasn't even been sworn in). It is very telling that you refuse to place any blame on the group actually tasked with serving and protecting, while ranting about CPS again.

[glowrock]

Originally Posted by Bonsai Tree

^^That desk sergeant should be fired. This stupid "soft strike" 🞵🞵🞵🞵 started back in 2016 and it hasn't really gotten better yet. Absolutely ridiculous. I personally thought Vallas was the better candidate, but this logic is out of hand. Many cops are basically trying to hold the city hostage until they get their candiate. That's absurd and entirely unprofessional. I can see why cops feel like they've been under constant attack from politicians and the media, but to whine about it and pout about for years is insane. Despicable.

I'll never excuse the logic of the rioters, but cops in this city need serious reform and new leadership. At the very least so that more of them do their job.

If I could like your post a hundred times I would. Absolutely spot-on correct!

[glowrock]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Could you imagine the leftist outcry if a cop touched one of these youths? You get what you vote for, enjoy.

And not a word from about the $30K/kid annually spent at CPS for complete failure.

Why can't you seem to finally acknowledge that our police force
Is a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 international embarrassment???

Not sure to lack of funding, it's due to lack of actually giving a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 about anytime but themselves.

Aaron (Glowrock)

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by moorhosj1

The article is about an unarmed woman who literally stepped in an saved people while the police did nothing. She didn't have to fight them mano a mano because she was able to de-escalate the situation. Maybe we should have her train the police?

When short staffed, the first priority of police is to get the riot under control, not to split up wasting time and energy handling individual crimes and letting the riot continue.

You may not like it, but that is the international procedure.

You’re also beyond naive if you think that crowd wasn’t going to fight and resist arrest when confronted by police.

The woman was simply lucky that the mob had had their fun and weren’t interested in the lengthy prison sentences that severely harming a white woman on tape would bring about after the riot.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by glowrock

Why can't you seem to finally acknowledge that our police force
Is a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 international embarrassment???

Not sure to lack of funding, it's due to lack of actually giving a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 about anytime but themselves.

Aaron (Glowrock)

You don’t want to hear the real opinion of international communities. It would make Vlajos sound like a progressive.

[moorhosj1]

Originally Posted by galleyfox

When short staffed, the first priority of police is to get the riot under control, not to split up wasting time and energy handling individual crimes and letting the riot continue.

Just a constant stream of excuses. I don't trust the CPD's assertions of being understaffed, they haven't earned that benefit of the doubt. This is especially true when we consider how many more cops per capita we have than other cities.

You’re also beyond naive if you think that crowd wasn’t going to fight and resist arrest when confronted by police.

Maybe this speaks to the way people view the police in this city. Or the way they "confront" people in general. Perhaps if they actually did stuff (other than force false confessions) people would listen more? I've seen it happen in different neighborhoods, cities, and countries.

Rioting is bad and these people should absolutely be punished for what they did. Criminals do criminal things. The police, on the other hand, are paid by taxpayers to keep us safe and secure. They have failed that mission and you blame everyone except them. It's odd.

[Klippenstein]

Originally Posted by galleyfox

You don’t want to hear the real opinion of international communities. It would make Vlajos sound like a progressive.

Ah yes, the heterogeneity of international opinion shines through in their reactionary hate for Chicago and our newly elected progressive mayor?



I don’t understand why you’re siding with Vlajos on this. You seem pretty reasonable.

I don’t understand how people are saying that the police should have been harsher and arrested everybody and at the same time saying they couldn’t do anything in this instance where this couple was attacked…

This conversation is so convoluted and it seems like so many people are at odds with each other right now because we have a progressive mayor? When have you agreed completely with any mayor? If ever, I wouldn’t trust you. It doesn’t matter who the mayor is. We need evidence based solutions. Proven and fiscally responsible.

[moorhosj1]

Originally Posted by galleyfox

You don’t want to hear the real opinion of international communities. It would make Vlajos sound like a progressive.

Over 60 countries had protests against police misconduct and militarization after George Floyd was murdered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_outside_the_United_States

Internationally, protesters demonstrated opposition to racism worldwide, opposed police brutality, questioned the arming of police, and expressed solidarity with their counterparts in the United States.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by moorhosj1

Rioting is bad and these people should absolutely be punished for what they did. Criminals do criminal things. The police, on the other hand, are paid by taxpayers to keep us safe and secure. They have failed that mission and you blame everyone except them. It's odd.

I think they have been set up to fail, and progressives when talking about crime and police are as irrational and self-destructive as Republicans talking about their 🞵🞵🞵🞵.

For example, South Chicago just had a heinous double murder the other day. The culprit was a convicted murderer out on electronic monitoring for another illegal 🞵🞵🞵 violation. And to nobody’s surprise he murdered his ex and her boyfriend and probably would have killed her children.

That’s not an exception. It’s common. Almost every person arrested for murder has a lengthy violent felony record.

Then, the city’s prosecutors often let crimes like theft, assault and even carjacking go unpunished until they inevitably escalate. Whether murder or rioting.

Meanwhile CPD objectively has had lower staffing since 2019, has objectively had to work double shifts and other overtime, and objectively had scheduled days off. No extra hiring to cover CTA stations and deter rioters.

Yet the police are all bad. Everything is their fault. The courts and prosecutors and politicians deserve no blame whatsoever. Root causes.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by moorhosj1

Over 60 countries had protests against police misconduct and militarization after George Floyd was murdered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_outside_the_United_States

So did many Red States, and the majority of voters in them certainly did not agree.

Biden edged out a victory over Trump by a hair.

I promise you that European police forces, to use a so-called high standard, continue to use attack dogs, water cannons, tear gas and batons with minimal electoral consequences. And racism particularly against people of African descent that makes the GOP look moderate.

[Bonsai Tree]

When did anyone ever excuse the courts or politicians? I don't think that was even brought up at all. The police most certainly need help from courts that keep violent criminals in prison. But what about the case clearance rate for homicides? Still at 50%. So half of all murderers in this city just automatically get away with it without even thinking twice. There's not even a chance of prosecution because the police either can't clear it (they need more detectives) or because they just don't care. There is clearly, without a doubt, a need for more detectives. But what there also is, undoubtedly, is a huge number of officers who don't do anything.

They just sit by, watch 🞵🞵🞵🞵 like this happen. They're not respected by any of these rioters because they don't think anything will happen to them. Not even the slightest repercussion by the police- they know they'll just break it up and everyone will go home. I mean how many arrests were there? About a dozen? That's crazy. Literally hundreds of people and the police just kinda sat there. Nobody respects the police because they expect them to not do anything.

[Handro]

Everyone is to blame. The CPD has abdicated their responsibility to serve and protect. Parents have abdicated their responsibility to teach and discipline their kids. Politicians have abdicated their responsibility to create an environment for responsible growth and safety. Voters have abdicated their responsibility to make rational choices to hold the powers that be responsible. The list goes on. Arguing who is the most or least responsible is futile.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by Klippenstein

Ah yes, the heterogeneity of international opinion shines through in their reactionary hate for Chicago and our newly elected progressive mayor?

They don’t have strong opinions about Chicago policy. If they saw clips, most Europeans would simply remark on the lack of common more aggressive European tactics and remarks about race. International opinion favors brutality, so not good to compare progressive policing ideals with countries with lower violence but stricter punishments.

I don’t understand why you’re siding with Vlajos on this. You seem pretty reasonable.

I don’t understand how people are saying that the police should have been harsher and arrested everybody and at the same time saying they couldn’t do anything in this instance where this couple was attacked…

It’s the big picture.

My complaint is mostly that CPD should have more patrols downtown to free up officers to make mass arrests in event of violence. Last weekend was simply understaffed damage control.

Ideally, there should be a ban on teens riding the Red Line toward downtown after hours. Which requires extra officers to staff turnstiles.

Small groups can ride buses or the Green line if they want to seek out real entertainment like Navy Pier fireworks or movies. Those are slow enough to prevent a large crowd from quickly gathering.

Obviously police can’t arrest hundreds at once. A few dozens is more realistic in a violent crowd. But every single arrest should be charged and given jail time. Not monitoring or released to parents.

Progressives also have to acknowledge that teens cannot have free rein to travel around the city like adults, if they do not get punished like adults for crime and disruption. Community activity centers might be ideal for younger children, but they will have zero interest for thrill-seeking or gang-affiliated teens

This conversation is so convoluted and it seems like so many people are at odds with each other right now because we have a progressive mayor? When have you agreed completely with any mayor? If ever, I wouldn’t trust you. It doesn’t matter who the mayor is. We need evidence based solutions. Proven and fiscally responsible.

The discussion is heated, because part of evidence based solutions is confronting reality.

The reality is that rule-breaking and crime can be fun. The teens came to participate and/or observe scheduled chaos. They did not come downtown for shopping, picnics, music, sport, or taking walks with friends.

Johnson’s comments were incendiary for not acknowledging that law enforcement does have a role, and community solutions are only effective for young children not teens.

Basically no compromise for the half of the city that fears violence that did not vote for him, while also promoting increased financial burdens at the same time. This was the moment to put aside campaign nonsense and throw a bone to the center, and he didn’t.

[twister244]

You know what else would be great? Having actual PD on CTA.....

Had some officers been on CTA last weekend, they may have been able to communicate what was coming, or even tamped down what was inbound on CTA.

Wanna know who wanted to put PD on CTA? Vallas - Not Johnson.

[moorhosj1]

Originally Posted by galleyfox

Yet the police are all bad. Everything is their fault. The courts and prosecutors and politicians deserve no blame whatsoever. Root causes.

Nobody said any of these things. I literally said that everyone deserves blame. I think its odd that you can't admit the CPD also deserves some blame.

[Steely Dan]

This was the moment to put aside campaign nonsense and throw a bone to the center, and he didn’t.

BJ is a kool-aid drinking CTU leftist true-believer, cast from the same mold of stupidity as Sharkey and SDG, though admittedly with a less outright toxic personality.

I have no idea why some here were expecting him to magically transform into some rational middle-roader post election victory.

[Chisouthside]

Originally Posted by twister244

You know what else would be great? Having actual PD on CTA.....

Had some officers been on CTA last weekend, they may have been able to communicate what was coming, or even tamped down what was inbound on CTA.

Wanna know who wanted to put PD on CTA? Vallas - Not Johnson.

The last two times ive transferred to the roosevelt red line on a weekend ive seen them posted up on the platform. the last time was a few weeks ago so i wonder if they were on the platform that saturday.