Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Rileybo]

Originally Posted by msbutah

Astra today:

I can’t wait for Liberty Sky to be obscured from this view.

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by Atlas

slightly-controversial project on 800S next to Fisher Brewing and Kilby Court[/URL] is likely dead because the land is for sale.

This is one I'm not too upset about. While I do think the concerns expressed here about Kilby Court being killed by that development were unfounded, I do think there's an opportunity to make something much better.

[Orlando]

As much as I like to see new dense infill development, I think these developers didn't do enough to respond to the context scale and adjacency to Kilby Court.

[Blah_Amazing]

Originally Posted by Atlas

the slightly-controversial project on 800S next to Fisher Brewing and Kilby Court[/URL] is likely dead because the land is for sale. The market is currently killing a lot of development projects.

It being for sale doesn't necessarily mean the project is dead though. In the listing, they include the now approved plans for the project, meaning the new owner would have the right to construct the project as proposed if they so wish. There have been several projects over the years that have gone up for sale on places like Crexi and then the new owners build the project as originally planned by the prior owners.

Think of this as basically flippers. The original investor buys up the land needed for a project, create plans for a development, get it through or mostly through the planning process and then flips it to a new investor for a quick profit.

I can't say if that is what is happening here, but it definitely has happened quite a few times in the recent past. It's possible it's the economy and this particular developer is struggling to secure financing. Though this still doesn't mean that whoever buys it won't build the original plans.

[Blah_Amazing]

Originally Posted by Orlando

As much as I like to see new dense infill development, I think these developers were not respectful to the context scale and adjacency to Kilby Court.

I'm sorry, but I fully disagree with this.

We have seen in the past few years at least several dozen single family houses and low density buildings with a three block radius of this site get demolished to make way for more dense projects.

Based on:
The zoning in the area
The many decisions of the Planning Commission
The actions of developers

It actually looks like the City and developers intend to fully rewrite the context scale in the area to be 4-7 floor buildings as opposed to single floor commercial and single family housing. Ignoring the low density context for a whole new higher density context is literally the current context of the neighborhood - and it will be better for the City in the long run for doing so.

The Kilby Court defense sounds very NIMBY, especially because there was no outcry to the fifteen or so other projects that did similar changes to the context in the same area.

Not to mention the Pickle and Hide project is literally next door and borders houses on Kilby Court and it's similar in height and size to 800 S; and yet that project was near universally praised.







I typically agree with you Orlando, but on this I think we see things a little differently.

[Blah_Amazing]

Originally Posted by msbutah

Astra today:

Shouldn't we be getting close to when Astra narrows from the L shape to the main tower?

[Reeder113]

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

Shouldn't we be getting close to when Astra narrows from the L shape to the main tower?

Yup! Schmoe updated us a few posts back. Here's the link:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9900381&postcount=15383

[Rileybo]

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

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If we lose Kilby for this, that will be a devastating blow to our music scene and culture. There’s no other venue like that in the city.

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by Rileybo

If we lose Kilby for this, that will be a devastating blow to our music scene and culture. There’s no other venue like that in the city.

There was never any intention of demolishing Kilby Court.

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

I'm sorry, but I fully disagree with this.

We have seen in the past few years at least several dozen single family houses and low density buildings with a three block radius of this site get demolished to make way for more dense projects.

Based on:
The zoning in the area
The many decisions of the Planning Commission
The actions of developers

It actually looks like the City and developers intend to fully rewrite the context scale in the area to be 4-7 floor buildings as opposed to single floor commercial and single family housing. Ignoring the low density context for a whole new higher density context is literally the current context of the neighborhood - and it will be better for the City in the long run for doing so.

The Kilby Court defense sounds very NIMBY, especially because there was no outcry to the fifteen or so other projects that did similar changes to the context in the same area.

Not to mention the Pickle and Hide project is literally next door and borders houses on Kilby Court and it's similar in height and size to 800 S; and yet that project was near universally praised.

It's not going to overlook basically the full length of Kilby Court like this development would have/will, though. It is different. In reality I suppose I'm somewhere between you two. I was not opposed to the project, and I'm not opposed to density/height there, but as I said, I think there's a great opportunity for a much better project than what is currently proposed.

I also think Pickle & Hide is not being criticized because it looks like an actual good project, unlike the Kilby Court one, which is just a typical 4 over 1.

[Rileybo]

I know Kilby won’t be torn down. But the NIMBYs will end the shows.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

Shouldn't we be getting close to when Astra narrows from the L shape to the main tower?

Man. I wish the Maverik Building looked as good as it does in this rendering lmao

[Rileybo]

The ketchup red “Maverick Base Camp” top is a serious ick.

[delts145]

Well, I'm glad Worthington and Astra got in under the financial mess wire. Anybody know if any of the others managed to get their ducks in a row before the current economic mess? For example, the next in line for West Quarter. I mean, there's certainly a demand out there for multi-unit housing, I guess unless employment takes a severe nose dive.

At least there's some great news around. A welcome reprieve...

More Deep Powder For Utah!!

Utah officially achieved its record snowpack yesterday in the Snotel era (since 1980). Utah's Ski Resorts also picked up significant snowfall with over two feet in places. More snow showers through the weekend with cold temperatures. Another storm for midweek with additional storms likely heading into April.

Alta Ski Area:

24hr - 26in

48hr - 31in

Base - 212in

700 inches and counting ...

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[Makid]

Delts, there is still a very high demand for housing, from both internal and external growth.

The biggest issue facing housing right now is that there are a lot of people that got low interest rates on their home loans. This means that we will see less people moving as frequently as they have in the past. It will also mean that we will see a continued improvement in many neighborhoods and overall city pride.

So, while we will see a temporary slowdown in development, I do think we will see a return of new tower building in the next year or less. We will also continue to see expanding density along frequent transit corridors. Demand for housing, even just internal, will push housing prices and rents higher, especially during this slowdown.

In addition to housing, job growth is steady and is expected to increase (provided nothing major happens nationally).

KSL recently had an article regarding job growth in the State and it lightly touched housing as well:

https://www.ksl.com/article/50607565/rep...uld-slow-if-state-sees-less-in-migration

[allh]

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

Shouldn't we be getting close to when Astra narrows from the L shape to the main tower?

They should repaint the Maverick building. Even the color in the render looks better.

[rockies]

Originally Posted by Makid

For a guesstimated height for the Sears Block we can use IMC as a reference (similar floor usage presumed).

I think that due to ambulance/emergency services, the block will be cut in 4. This limits the overall width of the hospital, parking structure, and supporting buildings which pushes the buildings taller. Also, expect multiple sky bridges.

Ground Level - 15' - 20'
Procedure floors (3-4) - 45' - 60'
Recovery rooms estimated around 300 (15 - 20) - 195' - 260'

This puts the hospital tower at a range of roughly 250' - 350'. The majority of the height comes from the 300 rooms.

The parking needs will very likely be similar to IMC. With limits on surface lots, we should expect multiple parking structures.

We also should expect the plans to include spaces for clinics. If the project replicates the same clinic options as IMC in a single tower, it would be around 275'. If it is split in 2 buildings, the buildings would likely need to be built over the parking structures, not only due to limited space on the site but also to reduce parking visibility from the street while activating the ground floor. This would lean towards 2 towers of roughly 180' each.

My thoughts on the layout would be a block split evenly in 4 pieces by N/S and E/W streets. The hospital would sit on the SE corner of the block. Clinics would be in the NW corner. Employee parking would be in the NE corner space behind existing buildings (possible location for helipad on top of the parking structure). This would leave the SW corner open. Possibly used by a parking structure but I would think by a smaller building that can be replaced by a second hospital tower as demand increases.

All the above buildings could be built, as of right under a D1 zoning change using the locations listed.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/03/25/big-new-hospital-moves-step-closer/

I am glad to see more details coming out about the hospital in this article. The 1700 employees mentioned seems in line with other 300-400 bed hospitals so I hope we see something cool. It is also encouraging that people are actively involved with making it a true urban hospital.

I'm so curious to see what will replace the old hospital once demolished. Would they sell it to developers or keep the property? I'm sure it will be controversial

[RC14]

A few construction photos taken this evening:

South skyline shot:

Looking north-west at North Temple area projects

Alta Vue

entry NOTE (735 W North Temple.)

[Deek1978]

https://www.ksl.com/article/50606155/whe...on-main-street-tower-in-salt-lake-city--

[Blah_Amazing]

With all this uncertainty, I thought I'd post an update to the list of towers currently under construction, planned, or prospective in Salt Lake City. The cutoff to be included is 50 meters (164 feet tall).

Projects included:
Under Construction: Convexity Tower, Astra Tower
Planned: Six South Residential Tower, 150 S Main Street, Soren Tower (aka 370 S West Temple), 465 S Main Street, West Quarter: The Grid SLC, Six South Life Science Tower
Prospective: Sundial Tower, West Quarter Block D, Regent Street Tower.
I removed The Cascade from the prospective list entirely.

[bob rulz]

Thanks for the update Blah. Imagine if all of those do actually end up getting built! That would be such a massive boon for the city. Unfortunately I expect at least a couple of them to fall through.

Originally Posted by Rileybo

I know Kilby won’t be torn down. But the NIMBYs will end the shows.

People were saying this when the project was first announced with no examples of it happening elsewhere as people were claiming.