Calgary International Airport II

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

they will come back to YYC when the time is right.

...when the LCC bloodbath is over and they've all decimiated each other.

[hollywoodcory]

YYC January 2023 Stats:

Domestic: 809,122 +70.2%
Transborder: 222,742 +133.1%
International: 190,134 +129.9%

January total/YTD: 1,221,993 +86.9%

As with the last few months, domestic / Transborder still remain below 2019 levels, well non-US international is up.

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX

I hope WS is looking at MEX and KEF too.

If WS takes on KEF, which of their aircraft would be best suited to that route?

[peytol]

Originally Posted by YYCguys

If WS takes on KEF, which of their aircraft would be best suited to that route?

They would use the max 8, KEF is slightly shorter than both PUJ and LIR. I think those are the 2 longest routes out of YYC on the 737.

A -700 would take huge restrictions on KEF-YYC; middle seats blocked or worse.

[People_talking]

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[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by People_talking

So it looks like Air Canada is also jumping on the IAD train?

5 times weekly only the 737 max 8. This is in addition to the daily frequency from United.

https://media.aircanada.com/2023-02-23-A...r-Flights-and-Two-New-Routes-this-Summer

We went from 0 airlines flying YYC-IAD to 3 in about 10 days hahaha.

Air Canada gives up Saskatoon and regina on CRJ's, cities with high demand to Calgary and brings in IAD after cutting tons of other USA routes? OK.

Well I assume fares will be cheap this summer to DC. LOL.

[People_talking]

Originally Posted by Zmonkey

Air Canada gives up Saskatoon and regina on CRJ's, cities with high demand to Calgary and brings in IAD after cutting tons of other USA routes? OK.

Well I assume fares will be cheap this summer to DC. LOL.

I read the release wrong, lol. The AC flights are from YVR. So it’s just United from YYC

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by peytol

They would use the max 8, KEF is slightly shorter than both PUJ and LIR. I think those are the 2 longest routes out of YYC on the 737.

The Max 8 can do it, but it's tighter than you think.

It's not just about distance from point of departure to point of arrival that you need to cover. You need to cover the distance from your point of arrival to an alternate airport as well. If the weather over Iceland is crappy, and you can't land at KEF for whatever reason, and the only other 2 usable airports in Iceland for a 737 (EGS and AEY) don't meet the alternate airport weather requirements, then your diversion airport is pretty far. You could end up in Scotland or having to backtrack all the way back to YFB or even Newfoundland. If that's the case, the flights would be weight restricted, even on the Max 8.

You don't have that problem at PUJ or LIB.

#1 The weather is seldom that crappy in the Caribbean or Central America. (Some of these airports don't even have ILS approaches. They don't need it.)
#2 several other usable airports are nearby.

YVR-KEF is only 300nm further than YYC-KEF, and FI uses the B752 on the route. There is a reason.

[peytol]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

The Max 8 can do it, but it's tighter than you think.

It's not just about distance from point of departure to point of arrival that you need to cover. You need to cover the distance from your point of arrival to an alternate airport as well. If the weather over Iceland is crappy, and you can't land at KEF for whatever reason, and the only other 2 usable airports in Iceland for a 737 (EGS and AEY) don't meet the alternate airport weather requirements, then your diversion airport is pretty far. You could end up in Scotland or having to backtrack all the way back to YFB or even Newfoundland. If that's the case, the flights would be weight restricted, even on the Max 8.

You don't have that problem at PUJ or LIB.

#1 The weather is seldom that crappy in the Caribbean or Central America. (Some of these airports don't even have ILS approaches. They don't need it.)
#2 several other usable airports are nearby.

YVR-KEF is only 300nm further than YYC-KEF, and FI uses the B752 on the route. There is a reason.

I know Iceland is not known for good weather, but I have no idea what the alternate situation usually is. Iceland air seems to make MCO-KEF work with a Max 8 and its about 300 mi longer than YYC.

I really don't see KEF happening, I would love to see MEX back though.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by peytol

I know Iceland is not known for good weather, but I have no idea what the alternate situation usually is. Iceland air seems to make MCO-KEF work with a Max 8 and its about 300 mi longer than YYC.

I really don't see KEF happening, I would love to see MEX back though.

FI has 14 less seats on their Max 8 than WS. So they can go further than WS with a full load of pax.

I don't see KEF happening either, btw.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

FI has 14 less seats on their Max 8 than WS. So they can go further than WS with a full load of pax.

It certainly does come down to alternates. Sunwing multiple times has flown PUJ-YVR at 3,200 nm in a 189-seat 7M8 unrestricted, but YYC-KEF at 2,780 nm in WS' 174-seat config might see issues as you described. Obviously lots of places to go if you can't get into YVR.

[nname]

Originally Posted by ace.yyc

It certainly does come down to alternates. Sunwing multiple times has flown PUJ-YVR at 3,200 nm in a 189-seat 7M8 unrestricted, but YYC-KEF at 2,780 nm in WS' 174-seat config might see issues as you described. Obviously lots of places to go if you can't get into YVR.

I think the main issue is the Iceland side. Where would you divert if landing at KEF, AEY, and EGS are not possible? SYY in Scotland? SFJ in Greenland? Somewhere in Norway or Ireland? Or go all the way back to Goose Bay?

There are tons of option on both ends for the YVR-PUJ route.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. That WG is fine at 3,200 nm and WS with less seats likely couldn't do 2,780 nm.

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Let's keep the negativity in the YEG thread.

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Anyways, here's a visual of the non-domestic network out of YYC this summer:


If my math is correct 37 total non-stop destinations in 11 countries on 10 airlines.

That's great! Calgary YYC will be busy this spring/summer 2023 for US/International traffic.

[peytol]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

FI has 14 less seats on their Max 8 than WS. So they can go further than WS with a full load of pax.

I don't see KEF happening either, btw.

14 less pax would only make a very minor fuel burn difference, the MCO flight would be going out with full fuel in either config. They must be using an alternate on the island and plan for a tech stop when that doesn't work, which I'm guessing is not very often if they buy the max for those routes. Much easier tech stops along the east coast if they need something off island, vs YYC.

[Nick]

Don't we have any Caribbean destinations right now? I haven't worked in a while, but even a weekly NAS?

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by Nick

Don't we have any Caribbean destinations right now? I haven't worked in a while, but even a weekly NAS?

NAS, PUJ, VRA and MBJ are all currently served weekly.

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by Calfan12

That's great! Calgary YYC will be busy this spring/summer 2023 for US/International traffic.

How many destinations are winter only from YYC?

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by msmariner

How many destinations are winter only from YYC?

Nassau NAS, Punta Cana PUJ, Varadero VRA, Montego Bay MBJ, Fort Lauderdale FLL, Phoenix Mesa AZA, Mazatlan MZT, Ixtapa-Zihuatanejo ZIH, Manzanillo ZLO, Liberia LIR , Belize City BZE ,Kailua-Kona KOA, Kahului OGG & Honolulu HNL .

Those 14+ destinations above are only operated during the winters,from Calgary YYC.