Calgary International Airport II

[hehehe]

I suppose, but like we all know AC’s primary purpose is to make money, and with such a large WS presence I guess there was not much of a choice

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by craner

I expect more from the “national” airline.

Are they supposed to serve every city with — number of flights?
That’s what YEG has been arguing for decade(s).
If you can’t make a buck why fly?
Westjet will continue to turn the screws.
I’ve been saying this for a few years but the reality is now hitting home.
It’s not just AC but all other carriers.
YYC is too small a market to have a large presence by more than one carrier.
And let’s not kid ourselves but even Westjet is going to have to rely on connections more than the average Joe to make all this work.
Not saying it’s not going to work but the jury’s still out.
Only time will tell.

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Are they supposed to serve every city with — number of flights?
That’s what YEG has been arguing for decade(s).
If you can’t make a buck why fly?
Westjet will continue to turn the screws.
I’ve been saying this for a few years but the reality is now hitting home.
It’s not just AC but all other carriers.
YYC is too small a market to have a large presence by more than one carrier.
And let’s not kid ourselves but even Westjet is going to have to rely on connections more than the average Joe to make all this work.
Not saying it’s not going to work but the jury’s still out.
Only time will tell.

Yeah, YYC can’t really have it both ways. At least the frequencies and destinations are quite vast with WS

[Nick]

Yep reality is it's a Westjet fortress, and if you don't fly Westjet you are going to be very unhappy. For metro area of 1.3M we are punching way above our weight still.

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I didn’t look at the list in detail but AS to SEA is going to be only 10 weekly. The second flight (departs at 1915 operates MON/THU/FRI only)

Should have clarified it’s approximate and might not be 100% accurate. WS hasn’t published its full summer schedule yet either.

Originally Posted by YYCFlier

Deleted. List isn’t alphabetical!

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

WS is pushing them out. What do you expect.

I don’t know maybe act like their Name and serve all of Canada!

[Nick]

They are. I bet you can get everywhere they serve in 2 flights.

Originally Posted by msmariner

I don’t know maybe act like their Name and serve all of Canada!

How many destinations does American Airlines, an airline bigger than every Canadian airline combined, serve out of Houston... a metro 7x bigger than Calgary?

Answer: less than AC serves from YYC

I await your complaints that American Airlines does not properly serve America.

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by msmariner

I don’t know maybe act like their Name and serve all of Canada!

Let's keep the negativity in the YEG thread.

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Anyways, here's a visual of the non-domestic network out of YYC this summer:


If my math is correct 37 total non-stop destinations in 11 countries on 10 airlines.

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by ace.yyc

How many destinations does American Airlines, an airline bigger than every Canadian airline combined, serve out of Houston... a metro 7x bigger than Calgary?

Answer: less than AC serves from YYC

I await your complaints that American Airlines does not properly serve America.

Certainly not that many. Then DFW is only a few hours drive a way and they serve over 260 international/domestic routes. Can’t really compare IAH/DFW with YYC. Both of those are mega Fortresses for two different airlines a short distance apart. One could drive easily if they wanted to fly either of the airlines. In YYC we don’t have a AC hub anywhere near us (YVR is not really in driving distance) and our nearest airport YEG doesn’t really offer anything. Not only is YYC lacking routes from AC so are the rest of the prairies (population of nearly 6 million). Like I said Air Canada is national airline (taxpayer’s subsidized it for a long time) so abandoning the prairies to Westjet seems to make it a regional airline now. comparing YYC to IAH is also missing the fact that Houston is a major hub for SWA (both IAH & Hobby). IAH isn’t just a one trick pony

goalposts have moved so far they're off the planet

Where's AA and UA at DTW and MSP?
Where's DL at SFO?
Where's UA at MIA?
Where's...anybody besides AA at CLT?
Where's everybody besides AA at DFW?
Where's everybody besides DL at SLC?

You can either make up nonsense to answer all these questions, or face the reality that large airlines generally don't run operations where someone has a fortress.

Your reasoning that AC must do it because they were previously government owned is nonsense, and you know it.

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by ace.yyc

goalposts have moved so far they're off the planet

Where's AA and UA at DTW and MSP?
Where's DL at SFO?
Where's UA at MIA?
Where's...anybody besides AA at CLT?
Where's everybody besides AA at DFW?
Where's everybody besides DL at SLC?

You can either make up nonsense to answer all these questions, or face the reality that large airlines generally don't run operations where someone has a fortress.

Your reasoning that AC must do it because they were previously government owned is nonsense, and you know it.

You wanna cherry pick every airport in the US then go for it. I’ve said what I’ve said. Stop being such a know it all on here. You act like a bully to anyone who dares challenge anything u say. It’s nice that you know quite a bit about the airline industry and specifically YYC. But stop being so intolerant to every other view in this thread, YEG’s , FB, SRC. You seem to disappear from those sites quite regularly (either by your own choice or the moderators). There is a reason SSP is dead in Calgary (besides the Airport thread) that’s because so called know it alls ruined it

AC's service has decreased significantly, but YYC is still well-served and we have retained our two transatlantic flights on Air Canada. I am choosing to look at our present service level optimistically. You are the negative one, with a fundamental misunderstanding of what you're even being negative about.

Just be optimistic and look at the glass as being half full. We could be YEG, after all.

Originally Posted by msmariner

You seem to disappear from those sites quite regularly (either by your own choice or the moderators).

I am banned from nowhere. God forbid I do something with my life other than spend all day on the internet telling people why their negative nancy perspectives don't make sense.

[craner]

Originally Posted by Nick

Yep reality is it's a Westjet fortress, and if you don't fly Westjet you are going to be very unhappy. For metro area of 1.3M we are punching way above our weight still.

1.6M but I get your point.

[hehehe]

I don’t think anyone here believes that AC’s reductions are a good thing. At the same time YYC is a relatively small market, and it’s just not feasible to have both airlines have so much service here. With AC at least its still relatively easy to fly on their network through YVR/YUL/YYZ and of course we have LAX/EWR/LHR/FRA.

At least we’re getting many new destinations like BCN and IAD on WS. I think YYC is still in a great spot right now

[hollywoodcory]

Agreed, easy to focus on negatives. But we have plenty to be happy about.

YYC has the only non-stop flights from any point in Western Canada to DTW, FCO, BCN, EDI. YYC also has the only non-stop from any point in Western North America to EDI.

Non-stop to Asia is back too.

Wildest thing to come is 2 airlines to IAD.

For a city of our size, we are very well served.

[TheGreatestX]

I hope WS is looking at MEX and KEF too.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by msmariner

Like I said Air Canada is national airline (taxpayer’s subsidized it for a long time)

The last time taxpayers gave money to AC and never got it back was 14 years ago. I think it's time you get over that fact. And all this time, until now, AC has managed to maintain some form of hub status at YYC, despite WS massively increasing its footprint there these last 14 years.

AC recently released their Q4 and full year numbers for 2022. It's better than 2021, but by no means are they over the massive hill that was COVID. They need to cut costs and concentrate their operations where it counts. And that's YYZ/YUL and YVR.

As previous posters have said, YYC isn't big enough to sustain 2 hub carriers. Or would you rather AC stays at YYC (and everywhere else it cut service) and continue bleeding money and get another taxpayer bailout?

AC is doing the same as WS. Retrenching to it's core markets to boost profitability in an increasingly challenging environment. You seem to have no problem with what WS did (focus on YYC, and pull down YYZ, Quebec and Atlantic Canada), but are somehow holding AC accountable merely because they got a bailout 14 years ago. Doesn't make any sense.

I think it's time you realize your concept of national airline is outdated.

WS is just as much a national airline as AC. If anything, the fact that AC was government owned back in the day is a hurdle, not an advantage. (ACPPA is one such hurdle. There are more....) AC has to jump through many more hoops to meet its government requirements. That's not the case at WS. And yet, YYC still has AC service to key markets in Europe and the US. And from what I've been told by numerous people in the know, they will come back to YYC when the time is right.

So, knowing all of that, if you still

Originally Posted by craner

expect more from the “national” airline.

you should lower your expectations.

[MalcolmTucker]

With the rise of Flair, Porter, Lynx, and even Swoop, Jetlines, and the sun destination incumbents Sunwing and Air TransAT, there doesn't seem to be enough pilots to go around, especially with the pandemic accelerating retirement for some.



I wouldn't put it above one of AC or WJ trying to run one of these out of town and then buying them to acquire their pilots!


Would be fascinating to see the books at Flair.

[People_talking]

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX

I hope WS is looking at MEX and KEF too.

If we get KEF I want Icelandair to respond the same way United did!