Building LeBreton Flats - Master Planning - Page 31

J.OT13 · #**601** Posted **Sep 8, 2022, 1:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by phil235

He was also speaking of "bowl" capacity, which I would read to exclude things like boxes, fan decks, bars and (hopefully) standing room. Those areas could easily add 1000 or 1500 to the total capacity.

That's good to hear. For those who were arguing for more capacity on the Sens thread, this might ease their minds by placing the new arena in the 17k to 18k category.

AuxTown · #**602** Posted **Sep 8, 2022, 2:10 PM**

17k is a perfect size venue for our city. We need at least 15.5 for the hockey team but 17 is the bare minimum to attract some of the big concerts and shows. It's one of the reasons that many big acts skip over Manitoba and Saskatchewan on their Canadian tours as there just isn't a big enough arena to attract them.

originalmuffins · #**603** Posted **Sep 8, 2022, 3:08 PM**

Yeah if we can hit the 18k, it's a good sweet spot. Maybe with all the additional things and we can hit 19k total would be awesome.

ponyboycurtis · #**604** Posted **Sep 22, 2022, 5:49 AM**

Wasn't exactly sure where to stick these photos but this seems as good as any.

They were doing some work and had the aquaduct almost completely drained.

Apparently there is a giant pipe that runs under the water level! Who knew?

zzptichka · #**605** Posted **Sep 22, 2022, 3:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by ponyboycurtis

Apparently there is a giant pipe that runs under the water level! Who knew?

The pipe probably connects the Heating plant on the Hill to the plant at Tunney's.

Wonder how well it's isolated and if it will keep the aqueduct ice-free in the winter.

J.OT13 · #**606** Posted **Sep 22, 2022, 3:52 PM**

I knew about the pipe, but never sure of its purpose.

MoreTrains · #**607** Posted **Sep 22, 2022, 5:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

I knew about the pipe, but never sure of its purpose.

Over a decade ago I was walking by the aqueduct and saw the pipe while it was drained. I assumed that they had relocated the water into the pipe so they could fill it in the area around. Clearly not the case. But also odd, to run a relatively large pipe through here.

vtecyo · #**608** Posted **Sep 22, 2022, 9:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

I knew about the pipe, but never sure of its purpose.

It looks like a treated water pipe from Lemieux Island - you can see it on geoOttawa's water infrastructure map layer.

FYI - if you don't already know about geoOttawa https://maps.ottawa.ca/geoottawa/ - jump into this! There's so many layers of data in there. Infrastructure of all kinds, property lines, bike network maps (current and planned) transit stuff etc... even air/satellite photos going back as far as 1928.

Blue lines are drinking water, green is storm sewer, orange is combined sewer, red is sanitary sewer.

J.OT13 · #**609** Posted **Sep 23, 2022, 12:31 PM**

I'm familiar with GeoOttawa, but never explored this particular layer. Very interesting, thanks!

In other news, saw this on Discord:

OTownandDown · #**610** Posted **Sep 23, 2022, 12:58 PM**

As I understand it, the Fleet Street pump station was originally built to pump water up the escarpment to downtown, using electricity generated from the running water flowing through turbines to power the pumps located immediately adjacent in the pump station. They still operate in the same way today.

When we discovered that raw river water is probably not great, the treated water was brought in from Lemieux. (But with an interlude where 'deep' river water was brought in, colder and not as bacteria laced, within a similar pipe).

I find it genius that the water generating the electricity and the fresh water to be pumped to the City are not only processed next to eachother within Fleet Street pump station, but also that both waters flow in the same channel, one inside the other, before they hit turbines, and that one flow goes down so that the other flow can go up. Best to think about when having had a few edibles.

Of course, there's backups to the backups, so the City continues this legacy operation, but it's not required to have river water flowing always.

Catenary · #**611** Posted **Sep 24, 2022, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by OTownandDown

As I understand it, the Fleet Street pump station was originally built to pump water up the escarpment to downtown, using electricity generated from the running water flowing through turbines to power the pumps located immediately adjacent in the pump station. They still operate in the same way today.

When we discovered that raw river water is probably not great, the treated water was brought in from Lemieux. (But with an interlude where 'deep' river water was brought in, colder and not as bacteria laced, within a similar pipe).

I find it genius that the water generating the electricity and the fresh water to be pumped to the City are not only processed next to eachother within Fleet Street pump station, but also that both waters flow in the same channel, one inside the other, before they hit turbines, and that one flow goes down so that the other flow can go up. Best to think about when having had a few edibles.

Of course, there's backups to the backups, so the City continues this legacy operation, but it's not required to have river water flowing always.

Others have correctly surmised that the submerged pipe carries the treated water from the island to the pumping station. In situations like this where the station isn't active, there are electric pumps on the island to do the work, and failing that diesel ones too.

Fleet Street itself doesn't use electric pumps, the turbines and pumps are entirely mechanical. It's a very unique and efficient system, really the only one of its kind. The whitewater course is a cool bonus feature.

ponyboycurtis · #**612** Posted **Sep 24, 2022, 1:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by OTownandDown

As I understand it, the Fleet Street pump station was originally built to pump water up the escarpment to downtown, using electricity generated from the running water flowing through turbines to power the pumps located immediately adjacent in the pump station. They still operate in the same way today.

When we discovered that raw river water is probably not great, the treated water was brought in from Lemieux. (But with an interlude where 'deep' river water was brought in, colder and not as bacteria laced, within a similar pipe).

I find it genius that the water generating the electricity and the fresh water to be pumped to the City are not only processed next to eachother within Fleet Street pump station, but also that both waters flow in the same channel, one inside the other, before they hit turbines, and that one flow goes down so that the other flow can go up. Best to think about when having had a few edibles.

Of course, there's backups to the backups, so the City continues this legacy operation, but it's not required to have river water flowing always.

That is very interesting indeed!

J.OT13 · #**613** Posted **Sep 27, 2022, 2:35 PM**

Idea for LeBreton Flats Park (like, the new one, not Bluesfest Park), maybe where the smaller "destination" use. Winnipeg's "Canada's Diversity Garden".

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Originally Posted by OTA in Winnipeg

Was there on Thursday. Lots to see. Vegetable and fruit garden a great idea!

I guess something like this could go at the Experimental Farm, near Dow's Lake and the new Civic.

SIDE NOTE - whatever did happen to the second "destination" use? Both the arena and the smaller one in the park were up for grabs, but as far as I can tell, the Sens only went for the main parcel.

J.OT13 · #**614** Posted **Sep 27, 2022, 3:36 PM**

Shots of the Diversity Gardens from above.

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Originally Posted by esquire

It's a pretty noticeable and impressive sight when you're flying into Winnipeg from the south. Here is a more recent picture... that's Assiniboine Park, the city's main park, in the background:

Here's a better look at the outdoor component, it's bigger than what is shown but this is a pretty good slice of it:

zzptichka · #**615** Posted **Sep 27, 2022, 3:42 PM**

Wow nice. I think it's a bit of a waste of space for LF though. Could be a good idea for the Botanical Garden that starts floating around every 10 years or so.

MoreTrains · #**616** Posted **Sep 27, 2022, 4:55 PM**

Also, would this not be akin the the Garden of the Provinces which is a few hundred meters away? Maybe could be done as a 'topper' for parking, but I think it is too much of a waste of space, especially with the large 'park' in front of the war museum.

SL123 · #**617** Posted **Sep 27, 2022, 5:12 PM**

Yeah the park portion of the flat project is not that big honestly but i like the idea. They could even make it first nation focus by being an aboriginal garden

OTSkyline · #**618** Posted **Sep 27, 2022, 7:09 PM**

I like this idea for ANY park in Ottawa. We have way too many open spaces with are unattractive and underutilized (grass). walkways, planters, seating, flowers would go a long way.

originalmuffins · #**619** Posted **Sep 27, 2022, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by SL123

Yeah the park portion of the flat project is not that big honestly but i like the idea. They could even make it first nation focus by being an aboriginal garden

It's half the size of the whole project. It's fairly big.

originalmuffins · #**620** Posted **Sep 27, 2022, 7:19 PM**

I would much rather this than an open big green field. I like it, and if they did something like this, it'd be very enjoyable, even throughout the winter.

I don't know if the other entertainment parcel is going to be used by the Sens but if it isn't: Put the Ferris wheel or Rec Room there!