Broadway Subway - Millennium Line Extension to Arbutus | U/C

[ilikeredheads]

hmm....if I have a business on Broadway, do I really want relief from the city when they are already "helping" by reducing broadway to 1 lane?

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Central Broadway is commercial along the whole route. West Broadway stops being commercial west of Alma and east of Macdonald.

He probably meant the whole current project route, stopping at Arbutus.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Same reason TransLink doesn't buy and redevelop properties themselves: they're only a transportation agency.

Yes, one could argue that if the transportation agency were to be liable for compensation for losses during construction, they might also be entitled to some percentage of the increased profits due to the new line.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

hmm....if I have a business on Broadway, do I really want relief from the city when they are already "helping" by reducing broadway to 1 lane?

The reality is, it isn't about your business. It is about the city on a whole.If your business fails due to this, your business wasn't viable in the first place.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

...West Broadway stops being commercial ... east of Macdonald.

Huh? You must be talking about a different Broadway than I know about. Five of seven blocks between Arbutus and MacDonald are lined on both sides with retail businesses.

[jollyburger]

Dj the TBMs have names?

[Hooknose]

Originally Posted by mcj

UBC to Honolulu is 4,352 km according to google maps. Skytrain top speed is 80 km/h. Only 54.4 hours from UBC to Honolulu!

True, it would be 54 hours

but the fare would only be about 3 dollars , one way.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by Hooknose

True, it would be 54 hours

but the fare would only be about 3 dollars , one way.

Lmao, bring a pee-baggie, a hefty snack, and a book for the ride . Every rider gets a free catheter with every trip.

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The reality is, it isn't about your business. It is about the city on a whole.If your business fails due to this, your business wasn't viable in the first place.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge businesses that are affected by this because those very same businesses (especially small businesses) have been affected by the pandemic this entire time. The construction disruptions down Broadway may very well be the last nail in the coffin for lots of them if they don't get help. After all, when a businesses closes down they take their jobs with them.

[Migrant_Coconut]

I'd argue that a successful-enough business could weather anything life throws at it. You think Phnom Penh would be killed by a little construction? Heck no.

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Huh? You must be talking about a different Broadway than I know about. Five of seven blocks between Arbutus and MacDonald are lined on both sides with retail businesses.

Technically, yes, but one of those blocks is a parking lot. Point is that there's a fairly conspicuous gap between the Arbutus streetfront and the Macdonald one.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I'd argue that a successful-enough business could weather anything life throws at it. You think Phnom Penh would be killed by a little construction? Heck no.

This leads me to believe that you have never tried to operate a small retail business...

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

This leads me to believe that you have never tried to operate a small retail business...

Some such businesses are more affected by the construction than others are, and it doesn't seem to be based on proximity. One could easily conclude that certain ones were already struggling even pre-pandemic, and recent events merely finished them off.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by scryer

I wouldn't be so quick to judge businesses that are affected by this because those very same businesses (especially small businesses) have been affected by the pandemic this entire time. The construction disruptions down Broadway may very well be the last nail in the coffin for lots of them if they don't get help. After all, when a businesses closes down they take their jobs with them.

I am not suggesting that I want businesses to close. However, let's be honest, these are mostly minimum wage jobs that would disappear. Covid has caused a lot of them to go under because they relied on slave wages and no hiccups. I am also not against helping them either.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I'd argue that a successful-enough business could weather anything life throws at it. You think Phnom Penh would be killed by a little construction? Heck no.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Some such businesses are more affected by the construction than others are, and it doesn't seem to be based on proximity. One could easily conclude that certain ones were already struggling even pre-pandemic, and recent events merely finished them off.

You missed the point. It isn't just construction that is affecting these businesses, it's been the last 3 years of the pandemic PLUS construction. The construction on Broadway is very well a nail in the coffin for a lot of these businesses.

I'm not suggesting that we stop the Broadway extension, but I do think that these businesses deserve support in light of the last 3 years that we were told would be 2 weeks. Besides if we can throw money at drug addicts, we can support local small businesses.

To be honest, I haven't looked through the proposal with a fine-tooth comb but I imagine that a business would have to meet criteria before securing assistance from the government.

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

I am not suggesting that I want businesses to close. However, let's be honest, these are mostly minimum wage jobs that would disappear. Covid has caused a lot of them to go under because they relied on slave wages and no hiccups. I am also not against helping them either.

I'm not sure what kind of a point you were hoping to make here since it still comes across that you do thumb your nose, so to speak, at small businesses losing their livelihoods.

It isn't just a smattering of minimum wage jobs being lost, it is:

- The business owner(s) losing their job. Surely that isn't minimum wage.
- Loss of job opportunities for youth. Think high school age.
- Loss of job opportunities for lower economic classes. These are stepping stone jobs, and some can be supervisory roles that lead to careers. Furthermore the elimination of these types of jobs is a form of classism.
- Loss of business to accountants, suppliers, and other support services.
- Loss of tax revenue from businesses.
- Loss of rental income for commercial businesses... which leads to abandoned stores and affecting building management companies.

Furthermore this then leads to a change in a neighbourhood as a bunch of these small businesses close down. There is also a correlation to increased crime as abandoned storefronts are typically perceived as being unsafe... which then affects property values as these small businesses have to leave without being replaced.

Just because it isn't Amazon that is packing up and leaving, doesn't mean that there isn't a cascade of consequences that occurs on a smaller level when Small Businesses have to pack up shop. And if you think the rents are going to lower when they leave, then think again.

IMO, the COV has been very 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 at encouraging and enticing small businesses to pop up, especially in newer developments; where they command the best locations and outprice rental rates beyond what a typical small business can afford when they are just starting out leading to chains securing the space. The current business landscape of the Metro region makes brick & mortar businesses seem impossible in this day and age... but I digress.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The reality is, it isn't about your business. It is about the city on a whole.If your business fails due to this, your business wasn't viable in the first place.

What nonsense. Is Translink viable then? They were only able to survive a huge downturn in ridership thanks to being bailed out with our money.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by scryer

It isn't just a smattering of minimum wage jobs being lost, it is:

- The business owner(s) losing their job. Surely that isn't minimum wage.

If the business owner looses their job it probably means they struggled through a period of less than minimum wage before throwing in the towel. And for a lot of small businesses "success" isn't exactly a windfall, it's often just making ends meet. The nature of our economy is that you have to keep prices (i.e., income) as low as possible in order to compete.

Also - I'm rather offended that someone would consider the loss of a minimum wage job as somehow not worthy of concern. You're talking about people's livelihoods. To me it smacks of the worst kind of class-ism to be dismissive of them.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by whatnext

What nonsense. Is Translink viable then? They were only able to survive a huge downturn in ridership thanks to being bailed out with our money.

Translink has never been viable in terms of being able to sustain itself on its own revenues. It is a government service that's necessary in order to make life possible for so many people living in such a dense metropolitan area. It's just as essential as the roads, water and sanitary systems that we all rely on.

Sure, you may not use transit yourself. That doesn't mean it isn't necessary. I don't have children, yet I happily pay taxes that fund the school system because I realize that I benefit from living in a society of educated people.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by scryer

You missed the point. It isn't just construction that is affecting these businesses, it's been the last 3 years of the pandemic PLUS construction. The construction on Broadway is very well a nail in the coffin for a lot of these businesses.

I'm not suggesting that we stop the Broadway extension, but I do think that these businesses deserve support in light of the last 3 years that we were told would be 2 weeks. Besides if we can throw money at drug addicts, we can support local small businesses.

To be honest, I haven't looked through the proposal with a fine-tooth comb but I imagine that a business would have to meet criteria before securing assistance from the government.



I'm not sure what kind of a point you were hoping to make here since it still comes across that you do thumb your nose, so to speak, at small businesses losing their livelihoods.

It isn't just a smattering of minimum wage jobs being lost, it is:

- The business owner(s) losing their job. Surely that isn't minimum wage.
- Loss of job opportunities for youth. Think high school age.
- Loss of job opportunities for lower economic classes. These are stepping stone jobs, and some can be supervisory roles that lead to careers. Furthermore the elimination of these types of jobs is a form of classism.
- Loss of business to accountants, suppliers, and other support services.
- Loss of tax revenue from businesses.
- Loss of rental income for commercial businesses... which leads to abandoned stores and affecting building management companies.

Furthermore this then leads to a change in a neighbourhood as a bunch of these small businesses close down. There is also a correlation to increased crime as abandoned storefronts are typically perceived as being unsafe... which then affects property values as these small businesses have to leave without being replaced.

Just because it isn't Amazon that is packing up and leaving, doesn't mean that there isn't a cascade of consequences that occurs on a smaller level when Small Businesses have to pack up shop. And if you think the rents are going to lower when they leave, then think again.

IMO, the COV has been very 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 at encouraging and enticing small businesses to pop up, especially in newer developments; where they command the best locations and outprice rental rates beyond what a typical small business can afford when they are just starting out leading to chains securing the space. The current business landscape of the Metro region makes brick & mortar businesses seem impossible in this day and age... but I digress.

this is probably the best comment on here by far. couldn't agree more

its always a shame when small businesses close. normally it just means more chains and worse more AMERICAN chains... *sigh*

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by scryer

It isn't just a smattering of minimum wage jobs being lost, it is:

- The business owner(s) losing their job. Surely that isn't minimum wage.
- Loss of job opportunities for youth. Think high school age.
- Loss of job opportunities for lower economic classes. These are stepping stone jobs, and some can be supervisory roles that lead to careers. Furthermore the elimination of these types of jobs is a form of classism.
- Loss of business to accountants, suppliers, and other support services.
- Loss of tax revenue from businesses.
- Loss of rental income for commercial businesses... which leads to abandoned stores and affecting building management companies.

I will straight up say I do not care about business owners. Most of them do not pay the employees that they need to be successful a living wage.

I also don't care about slave jobs for kids.
I also don't care about slave jobs for those at or below the poverty line.
I also don't care about the loss of business to other businesses that try to also pay slave wages.
I also don't care about commercial space when there is a homeless problem.

In short, I do not care if they cannot make a living if they are doing it while hurting the community by not providing a living wage.

Originally Posted by whatnext

What nonsense. Is Translink viable then? They were only able to survive a huge downturn in ridership thanks to being bailed out with our money.

Translink is a government agency, so no different than any other government agency.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by casper

At that point we would need washrooms on the cars. If we want to complete that biological cycle we would need a cappuccino bar on each train. Not certain they have sufficient room.

There may be a few other more minor engineering challenges.

Nah I think we will just reclaim land and then keep developing

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by scryer

You missed the point. It isn't just construction that is affecting these businesses, it's been the last 3 years of the pandemic PLUS construction. The construction on Broadway is very well a nail in the coffin for a lot of these businesses.

I got the point. What you've missed is that the pandemic and subway have affected some businesses, but others are still getting plenty of customers. The bigger problem is that many stores and restaurants along Broadway... are kind of lame.

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Nah I think we will just reclaim land and then keep developing

Not in the middle of the Pacific you aren't. That's a job for artificial floating islands.