The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 824

Nouvellecosse · #**16461** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 1:46 AM**

Ontario Place is over half a km away from the planned station, across Exhibition Place. It's further from OP than it is from King St.

Would be nice to see some of those huge OP surface parking lots put to more productive use.

biguc · #**16462** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 10:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Ontario Place is a bit misleading as a stop descriptor - it's really a Liberty Village stop, and will allow for passengers on the Lakeshore West corridor to transfer to the subway here to travel to their jobs in the core, instead of at Union. It acts as a sort of "union station relief line" because of this.

It's very well thought out, actually.

The extension to Humber Bay would be useful as well, but it's another significant distance down the lake shore and doesn't have a lot of density in between. I definitely think it should be considered for an extension in the future.

Humber Bay is also getting a new GO station and, eventually, a Lakeshore light rail extension. Given the dearth of anything between Humber Bay and Roncesvalles, that level of service should be excellent. I don't see a case for metro service.

I agree that the Ontario Line is well thought out. It gives two downtown-adjacent areas with great development potential--Ontario Place and East Core--a similar level of service as Union Station. That should effectively triple the GTA's CBD capacity.

SFUVancouver · #**16463** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 1:05 PM**

The Exhibition Station for the Ontario Line is quite brilliant, especially when one considers the impact the transformation of the GO Train into a frequent electrified regional rail system will have on commuting patterns in the western half of the GTA. People travelling from the west can alight to the Ontario Line at Exhibition and access a large swath of the CBD without needing to use Union Station. Long term, I expect the Ontario Line will be extended further west along the GO Train corridor to Mimico Station then transition underground to travel north under Kipling, connecting with Line 2 Kipling Station/Kipling GO and the Line 5 Eglinton Crosstown western extension with an (interim) terminus at YYZ Pearson via Dixon Rd.

Nouvellecosse · #**16464** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 1:18 PM**

I would like to see them branch the line with an arm continuing went under Queen diverging from the one that dips south. The line under Queen could go as far west as Dufferin and then go north to join the rail corridor and have a stop near Dundas W and College at a new station where GO riders on the Barrie, Kitchener, and Milton services can access the line. Then it would go back underground and connect to the BD line at Dundas W station.

During peak, the OL would have 30 or more tph and it wouldn't need such a high level of service concentrated in one western terminus.

JHikka · #**16465** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 1:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I would like to see them branch the line with an arm continuing went under Queen diverging from the one that dips south. The line under Queen could go as far west as Dufferin and then go north to join the rail corridor and have a stop near Dundas W and College at a new station where GO riders on the Barrie, Kitchener, and Milton services can access the line. Then it would back underground and connect to the BD line at Dundas W station.

A lot of it depends on timelines for Jane LRT, IMO, if it ever happens. If Jane LRT gets built out then yeah, OL can continue westbound. If not then I think OL could head north up Keele or Jane and provide western connections for Bloor and Eglinton Lines.

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Originally Posted by biguc

I agree that the Ontario Line is well thought out. It gives two downtown-adjacent areas with great development potential--Ontario Place and East Core--a similar level of service as Union Station. That should effectively triple the GTA's CBD capacity.

I'm a big fan of OL. East Core should absolutely have subway service, and connecting Exhibition makes too much sense. As an East End resident I won't say no to a line heading directly down to Queen, either.

Innsertnamehere · #**16466** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 1:33 PM**

The Jane LRT hasn't been mentioned anywhere in planning documents in basically a decade. It's about as dead as it gets.

JHikka · #**16467** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 1:41 PM**

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The Jane LRT hasn't been mentioned anywhere in planning documents in basically a decade. It's about as dead as it gets.

RIP then.

Either way, wherever they push the OL west will be an upgrade of some kind.

Coldrsx · #**16468** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 6:08 PM**

Province commissions economic impact study on Calgary-Banff passenger train proposal

“It is an economic impact study that was commissioned in December. Further details will be available upon completion of the study,” said Rob Williams, press secretary for Alberta Transportation Minister Rajan Sawhney.

Cathy Ellis Cathy Ellis
Mar 16, 2022 5:15 PM

https://www.rmotoday.com/banff/province-...y-banff-passenger-train-proposal-5164072

MalcolmTucker · #**16469** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 7:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Province commissions economic impact study on Calgary-Banff passenger train proposal

“It is an economic impact study that was commissioned in December. Further details will be available upon completion of the study,” said Rob Williams, press secretary for Alberta Transportation Minister Rajan Sawhney.

Cathy Ellis Cathy Ellis
Mar 16, 2022 5:15 PM

https://www.rmotoday.com/banff/province-...y-banff-passenger-train-proposal-5164072

A previous study put the benefits for Calgary alone (not the region) at $1.4 billion a year in tourism spending/20,000+ permanent jobs (not job years). And that was without the airport link. https://www.calgaryeconomicdevelopment.c...banff-rail-on-track-for-economic-growth/

canucklehead2 · #**16470** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 7:39 PM**

Get it done already. Enough studies. We could have financed a whole line by now with the money spent on studies that all day the same thing. Same with Prairie Link.

MisterMillionz · #**16471** Posted **Mar 22, 2022, 8:23 PM**

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So the 5 station extension will cost the same amount as the 67km REM, absolute financial madness

Initially, I thought the same thing. But it's important to note that the REM is using an existing tunnel under Mount Royal that had to be retrofitted, is above ground in the outer portions (saving costs with less digging) and I think CDPQInfra covers a huge chunk of the costs for the REM.

The STM on the other hand aren't so lucky. They essentially have to keep the extension below ground due to the metro tires, size, existing system, etc. which drives up construction costs and then there's issues with land acquisition.

Many like to compare the two extensions to Montreal's network but in my opinion, they're two very different projects that present their own challenges, no matter the length.

Coldrsx · #**16472** Posted **Mar 23, 2022, 1:33 AM**

Capital Line South Extension

Riding the LRT to the Ellerslie area in south Edmonton is closer to becoming a reality. With full construction set to begin in 2023, work is taking place to prepare for the LRT extension from Century Park to Ellerslie Road.

The 4.5-km extension will connect to the newly built Heritage Valley Park & Ride, feature stations at Twin Brooks and Ellerslie and improve mobility and access to neighbourhoods in south Edmonton.

https://transforming.edmonton.ca/on-trac...south-lrt-extension-in-edmonton-in-2022/

biguc · #**16473** Posted **Mar 23, 2022, 8:54 AM**

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I'm a big fan of OL. East Core should absolutely have subway service, and connecting Exhibition makes too much sense. As an East End resident I won't say no to a line heading directly down to Queen, either.

Yeah that it's also a Queen st. subway, finally, is fantastic. Nobody's really mentioned this but OL should provide some relief for the Queen st. streetcar, making it more useful for commuters outside of the OL reach, and for local trips inside the OL reach.

As for extending the OL, in my dreams I'd like to see it serve a redeveloped Billy Bishop. If it were to travel further west, I'd send it down the Queensway. Saturate that area with enough transit service and you can start talking about ripping down the Gardiner.

J.OT13 · #**16474** Posted **Mar 23, 2022, 7:07 PM**

Lok ahead to Broadway extension to UBC.

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Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

Daily Hive today Vancouver City Council to deliberate potential UBC SkyTrain route

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/ubc-skytrain-extension-route-update-translink

JHikka · #**16475** Posted **Mar 23, 2022, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by biguc

Yeah that it's also a Queen st. subway, finally, is fantastic. Nobody's really mentioned this but OL should provide some relief for the Queen st. streetcar, making it more useful for commuters outside of the OL reach, and for local trips inside the OL reach.

I can't really emphasize enough how much it's going to help transform the East End. Gerrard Station at Gerrard/Carlaw, a stone's throw from Gerrard Square, will rejuvenate and energize that stretch. Riverside Station at Queen/Bolton will provide a much-needed transit option for that neighbourhood, and will make transfers in that area much easier (I loathe waiting for streetcars/buses at Queen & Broadview). East Harbour Station provides a much better drop point for Tommy Thompson and the Studio District. Very exciting stuff.

Queen/Spadina might be my favourite station location on the Western end of things - gives south Chinatown a station and really beefs up that stretch of Queen.

ssiguy · #**16476** Posted **Mar 23, 2022, 10:15 PM**

That looks like a great extension for Edmonton.

Are there any longer-term plans to get it out to the airport?

Coldrsx · #**16477** Posted **Mar 23, 2022, 10:58 PM**

Not at the moment, but this phase 1 gets us past the TUC and the phase 2 close to city limits.

Innsertnamehere · #**16478** Posted **Mar 27, 2022, 5:34 PM**

The Ontario Line officially broke ground today, and a bunch of new renderings dropped. A couple:

J.OT13 · #**16479** Posted **Mar 27, 2022, 5:48 PM**

Impressive how quickly they got this project off the ground. Love those new renderings.

Nouvellecosse · #**16480** Posted **Mar 27, 2022, 6:11 PM**

Looks pretty good. Although they could make the elevated guide way a little more attractive like with the REM de l'est renderings.

One thing I find funny is the geographic distortion on that system schematic. Most system maps sacrifice geographic realism for schematic clarity, but that one makes Kipling on Line 2 looks like it's about a 5 minute walk to the Hurontario LRT when it's over 9km away lol.